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Reincarnation

560 posts · 25 participants · started Jun 2, 2017, 2:41 PM

  1. It has been mentioned earlier in this topic that what might be considered as reincarnation is the cross-fertilization of Thought Adjusters who have experience from other beings on various other planets from elsewhere in the universe.  This could actually be a logical association with reincarnation but only in the aspect of the incarnation of the TA, where I’m sure that there are other planets which are similar to Urantia, and that the minds of those beings would work similar to ours.

    What intrigues me is the what was presented in the previous narration as is presented below:

     (1198.8) 109:4.5 I have observed a Thought Adjuster indwelling a mind on Urantia who has, according to the records on Uversa, indwelt fifteen minds previously in Orvonton. We do not know whether this Monitor has had similar experiences in other superuniverses, but I suspect so. This is a marvelous Adjuster and one of the most useful and potent forces on Urantia during this present age. What others have lost, in that they refused to survive, this human being (and your whole world) now gains. From him who has not survival qualities, shall be taken away even that experienced Adjuster which he now has, while to him who has survival prospects, shall be given even the pre-experienced Adjuster of a slothful deserter.

    The intrigue is that if all of this experience is available to a current being’s adjuster, in that this experience comes from those who “refused to survive” and might be considered as “slothful deserter”(s), then it might indicate that the experiences seem to be transferred in that this TA has done so 15 times?  Am I the only one who sees a possible issue with this Adjuster, and that this number of 15 seems destined to go up?  It is not the desire of the Adjuster to foster survival, and does not the Adjuster choose the subject? Whats wrong with this picture?  But using this information in association with “cross-fertilization” could explain many things, where the devil didn’t make me do it but maybe the TA did?

    The other aspect of reincarnation might be applied to the second coming of Jesus, in that depending on how He were to bestow Himself, and most likely not in the same body or type of body, but would He have an adjuster, and if so, who’s would it be, or would He retain that same Personalized Adjuster?  I mention this because, would He not need to retain those memories from before?

  2. There are no “aspects” to reincarnation to consider….as there is no reincarnation.  Like the Supreme, the TA’s are not corruptible and cannot be tainted by the temporal unrealities of evil or sin.

    107:4.2 (1180.5) The actual source of the Adjuster must be infinite, and before fusion with the immortal soul of an evolving mortal, the reality of the Adjuster must border on absoluteness. Adjusters are not absolutes in the universal sense, in the Deity sense, but they are probably true absolutes within the potentialities of their fragmented nature. They are qualified as to universality but not as to nature; in extensiveness they are limited, but in intensiveness of meaning, value, and fact they are absolute. For this reason we sometimes denominate the divine gifts as the qualified absolute fragments of the Father.

    107:4.3 (1180.6) No Adjuster has ever been disloyal to the Paradise Father; the lower orders of personal creatures may sometimes have to contend with disloyal fellows, but never the Adjusters; they are supreme and infallible in their supernal sphere of creature ministry and universe function.

    108:5.1 (1191.2) The Adjusters accept a difficult assignment when they volunteer to indwell such composite beings as live on Urantia. But they have assumed the task of existing in your minds, there to receive the admonitions of the spiritual intelligences of the realms and then to undertake to redictate or translate these spiritual messages to the material mind; they are indispensable to the Paradise ascension.

    108:5.2 (1191.3) What the Thought Adjuster cannot utilize in your present life, those truths which he cannot successfully transmit to the man of his betrothal, he will faithfully preserve for use in the next stage of existence, just as he now carries over from circle to circle those items which he fails to register in the experience of the human subject, owing to the creature’s inability, or failure, to give a sufficient degree of co-operation.

    108:5.3 (1191.4) One thing you can depend upon: The Adjusters will never lose anything committed to their care; never have we known these spirit helpers to default. Angels and other high types of spirit beings, not excepting the local universe type of Sons, may occasionally embrace evil, may sometimes depart from the divine way, but Adjusters never falter. They are absolutely dependable, and this is equally true of all seven groups.

    Me here:  Michael does not have a TA and has no need for TA.  He’s had his last of 7 bestowals and is now Master Son of Nebadon.  When he returns to Urantia it will be as Christ Michael….and not in any material form.  Oh, and like the Supreme and the TA’s, Michael is also incorruptible by evil and sin.

    You keep looking for the dark side in all matters Midi…just as you did under the self chosen name of Caligastia.  Such suspicion and doubt and anxieties are very distinctive for a student of this joyful and assuring Epochal Revelation.  Let me suggest a reading of Papers 107 & 108 to learn more about the Father Fragments and their ministries.  None have failed in their mission/ministry even though many do also serve those who do not survive.

    176:4.4 (1919.1) Many of us are inclined to believe that Jesus will return to Urantia many times during the ages to come. We do not have his specific promise to make these plural visits, but it seems most probable that he who carries among his universe titles that of Planetary Prince of Urantia will many times visit the world whose conquest conferred such a unique title upon him.

    176:4.5 (1919.2) We most positively believe that Michael will again come in person to Urantia, but we have not the slightest idea as to when or in what manner he may choose to come. Will his second advent on earth be timed to occur in connection with the terminal judgment of this present age, either with or without the associated appearance of a Magisterial Son? Will he come in connection with the termination of some subsequent Urantian age? Will he come unannounced and as an isolated event? We do not know. Only one thing we are certain of, that is, when he does return, all the world will likely know about it, for he must come as the supreme ruler of a universe and not as the obscure babe of Bethlehem. But if every eye is to behold him, and if only spiritual eyes are to discern his presence, then must his advent be long deferred.

    176:4.6 (1919.3) You would do well, therefore, to disassociate the Master’s personal return to earth from any and all set events or settled epochs. We are sure of only one thing: He has promised to come back. We have no idea as to when he will fulfill this promise or in what connection. As far as we know, he may appear on earth any day, and he may not come until age after age has passed and been duly adjudicated by his associated Sons of the Paradise corps.

    176:4.7 (1919.4) The second advent of Michael on earth is an event of tremendous sentimental value to both midwayers and humans; but otherwise it is of no immediate moment to midwayers and of no more practical importance to human beings than the common event of natural death, which so suddenly precipitates mortal man into the immediate grasp of that succession of universe events which leads directly to the presence of this same Jesus, the sovereign ruler of our universe. The children of light are all destined to see him, and it is of no serious concern whether we go to him or whether he should chance first to come to us. Be you therefore ever ready to welcome him on earth as he stands ready to welcome you in heaven. We confidently look for his glorious appearing, even for repeated comings, but we are wholly ignorant as to how, when, or in what connection he is destined to appear.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  3. This could actually be a logical association with reincarnation but only in the aspect of the incarnation of the TA,

    Again, Thought Adjusters DO NOT incarnate.  They indwell.  There is a difference.  Personalities incarnate.  The Adjuster is not a personality.

    But using this information in association with “cross-fertilization” could explain many things, where the devil didn’t make me do it but maybe the TA did?

    , you shock me!  Haven’t you read that the Adjuster only carries experiences of truth, beauty and goodness with him?  Where is the evil in that?

    And more so!!! Haven’t you read that the Adjuster does not make anyone do anything?  PAHLEESE!

    The other aspect of reincarnation might be applied to the second coming of Jesus, in that depending on how He were to bestow Himself, and most likely not in the same body or type of body, but would He have an adjuster, and if so, who’s would it be, or would He retain that same Personalized Adjuster?  I mention this because, would He not need to retain those memories from before?

    This is shocking too!!!  Maybe it’s time to give the book another read?

    First of all: When Jesus returns, he will return in spirit form.  Which is why they say this, something that they are certain of:

    176:4.5  Only one thing we are certain of, that is, when he does return, all the world will likely know about it, for he must come as the supreme ruler of a universe and not as the obscure babe of Bethlehem. But if every eye is to behold him, and if only spiritual eyes are to discern his presence, then must his advent be long deferred.

    Second of all: Our Master Son, Sovereign of the Universe of Nebadon,  does not need an Adjuster to jog his memory. He knows everything.  And since he will come again as our Sovereign, he won’t forget anything.

     

  4. Again, Thought Adjusters DO NOT incarnate. They indwell.

    Okay then, if they “indwell”, by definition: “to possess (a person), as a moral principle or motivating force”, their alternate motive is to guide, or pilot, a person to do or become what?

    In opposition “incarnate”, which could be a synonym to indwell, where a body is required: “embodied in flesh; given a bodily, especially a human, form”.

    So, either way, once indwelt, the TA becomes the seed for the human soul, and as a physical body, now with a soul, can be incarnated.

    And more so!!! Haven’t you read that the Adjuster does not make anyone do anything? PAHLEESE!

    That’s correct, the TA doesn’t “make anyone do anything”, only guides them or pilots them to do something.  In a way, provides choices for an individual to choose.  Is that not why they are called “adjusters”?

    Haven’t you read that the Adjuster only carries experiences of truth, beauty and goodness with him?

    Then, how do you explain, the narrative provided, which spawned the aforementioned information in (109:4.5 )?

     

     

  5. , I just spent 20 minutes writing a reply only to have it disappear when I hit the submit button.  I’m so teed off I can’t tell you how much!!!!!  If the management of this forum doesn’t do something about this problem, I’m going to have to rethink my membership.

    I have things to do.  If I get off my high dudgeon, I’ll explain things later.

     

  6. , I just spent 20 minutes writing a reply only to have it disappear when I hit the submit button. I’m so teed off I can’t tell you how much!!!!! If the management of this forum doesn’t do something about this problem, I’m going to have to rethink my membership. I have things to do. If I get off my high dudgeon, I’ll explain things later.

    Ditto Bonita. This has happened to me a lot too.

    SUBMIT

    Poof and nothing! Gone.

     

  7. Highlight and copy everything you just wrote before hitting submit. Then you can paste it in a new reply window if it disappears. I once lost an entire research paper in my early college days by not saving before sending it to the printer. Now I save or highlight-and-copy every few sentences. Please carry on….. I’m intrigued.

  8. The intrigue is that if all of this experience is available to a current being’s adjuster, in that this experience comes from those who “refused to survive” and might be considered as “slothful deserter”(s), then it might indicate that the experiences seem to be transferred in that this TA has done so 15 times? Am I the only one who sees a possible issue with this Adjuster, and that this number of 15 seems destined to go up? It is not the desire of the Adjuster to foster survival, and does not the Adjuster choose the subject? Whats wrong with this picture? But using this information in association with “cross-fertilization” could explain many things, where the devil didn’t make me do it but maybe the TA did?

    Bonita wrote: Haven’t you read that the Adjuster only carries experiences of truth, beauty and goodness with him?

    Midi :  Then, how do you explain, the narrative provided, which spawned the aforementioned information in (109:4.5 )?

     

    So far as I have encountered….yes indeed you are the “only one who sees a possible issue with this Adjuster…” in my 40+ years of study.

    The devil made me do it….no, no…my Adjuster/God Fragment made me do it.  Dear Lord.  Such mistrust and distrust of Deity and the power, purpose, plan, and very nature of God….AND the Supreme….And the TA’s…..AND Michael.  So so sad.  Indeed – “What’s wrong with this picture?”

    Adjusters do not fail…nor are they corruptible.  Next doubt, fear, anxiety, distrust…..etc.???!!

    :-(

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  9. I intend to protest the “keep me signed in” button which does not, when pressed, keep you signed in. And I will do so by posting only a few sentences at a time until it drives the administration to fix it.
  10. MidiChlorian wrote:Okay then, if they “indwell”, by definition: “to possess (a person), as a moral principle or motivating force”, their alternate motive is to guide, or pilot, a person to do or become what?
    Adjusters do not possess a person. Adjusters do not have alternative motives.  If you don’t know what an Adjuster does for a person, please read the book.
    [Sorry if this comes off snarky, but I’m still on high dudgeon.]
  11. In opposition “incarnate”, which could be a synonym to indwell, where a body is required: “embodied in flesh; given a bodily, especially a human, form”. So, either way, once indwelt, the TA becomes the seed for the human soul, and as a physical body, now with a soul, can be incarnated.

    Adjusters do not need bodies.  Adjusters are pure spirit reality. Adjusters do not have a human form. Your sentence structure makes no sense in the second sentence, so it’s useless to comment.

    Incarnate means IN THE FLESH.  Adjusters INDWELL THE MIND.  Mind is NOT FLESH.  The brain IS FLESH.  Adjusters DO NOT INDWELL the BRAIN of FLESH.

  12. That’s correct, the TA doesn’t “make anyone do anything”, only guides them or pilots them to do something.  In a way, provides choices for an individual to choose.

    Adjusters do not provide choices.  The experience of living provides choices.  Adjusters attempt to illuminate the mind as to the value (or lack of value) in any given choice.

  13. Is that not why they are called “adjusters”?

    What does the word adjuster have to do with choices?  The Adjuster only adjust spiritual potential of the higher mind.  There’s a paper that explains this, #110.

  14. Then, how do you explain, the narrative provided, which spawned the aforementioned information in (109:4.5 )?

    Here’s the quote again with your emphasis intact.  I’ll take it one sentence at a time.

     (1198.8) 109:4.5 I have observed a Thought Adjuster indwelling a mind on Urantia who has, according to the records on Uversa, indwelt fifteen minds previously in Orvonton. We do not know whether this Monitor has had similar experiences in other superuniverses, but I suspect so. This is a marvelous Adjuster and one of the most useful and potent forces on Urantia during this present age. What others have lost, in that they refused to survive, this human being (and your whole world) now gains. From him who has not survival qualities, shall be taken away even that experienced Adjuster which he now has, while to him who has survival prospects, shall be given even the pre-experienced Adjuster of a slothful deserter.

  15. SENTENCE ONE: I have observed a Thought Adjuster indwelling a mind on Urantia who has, according to the records on Uversa, indwelt fifteen minds previously in Orvonton.

    If you read the quote in context you will see that they are talking about Adjusters who have temporarily indwelt primitive beings.  This one has indwelt 15 different primitive beings in the entire superuniverse of Orvonton.

  16. SENTENCE TWO: We do not know whether this Monitor has had similar experiences in other superuniverses, but I suspect so.

    The Adjuster in question is also likely to have had experiences indwelling primitive minds in other superuniverses as well.  Which is a tremendous amount of experience indwelling the most primitive minds.

  17. SENTENCE THREE:   This is a marvelous Adjuster and one of the most useful and potent forces on Urantia during this present age.
    Adjusters cooperate with other spiritual influences to transform and humanize primitive minds, and by so doing are able to advance civilization.  An Adjuster with an arsenal of experience transforming and humanizing minds is a potent Adjuster with the ability to affect, not only an individual mind, but civilization as a whole.  (It would be helpful to read the rest of the section.) 

  18. SENTENCE FOUR: What others have lost, in that they refused to survive, this human being (and your whole world) now gains.
    What others have lost is the Adjuster.  Chances are that not all of his previous human indwellings were persons who refused to survive, but were too primitive to survive, but that fact doesn’t matter.  All the Adjuster’s experience is now helping the whole world, not just one person. And it’s because of all the experience of adjusting the spiritual potential of other minds.
  19. It’s vital to understand that the Adjuster does NOT bring the individual minds of his previously indwelt personalities with him.  He only brings the EXPERIENCE he had ministering to them. Anything of potential he was able to get actualized is part of the Supreme.  The EXPERIENCE of getting the job done belongs to the Adjuster.  And this EXPERIENCE is from the Adjuster’s point of view.  The mind he indwelt perishes, first because it’s material, second because it’s on loan.

  20. SENTENCE FIVE: From him who has not survival qualities, shall be taken away even that experienced Adjuster which he now has, while to him who has survival prospects, shall be given even the pre-experienced Adjuster of a slothful deserter.

    I already explained this.  Need a rehash?

     

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