I am confused. TUB states in several places that the idea of reincarnation is absurd. How would one explain, then, the work of those such as Brian Weiss, Dolores Cannon, and Michael Newton? (Not to mention the religions of Buddhism and Hinduism). I have an idea on the issue, but I would first like to see some discussion on it to get some other ideas I may not have considered. Then I would like to share my thoughts on the subject.
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Reincarnation
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I am confused.
No problem. Consider the transcendent goal of the children of time:
1:0.3 The enlightened worlds all recognize and worship the Universal Father, the eternal maker and infinite upholder of all creation. The will creatures of universe upon universe have embarked upon the long, long Paradise journey, the fascinating struggle of the eternal adventure of attaining God the Father. The transcendent goal of the children of time is to find the eternal God, to comprehend the divine nature, to recognize the Universal Father. God-knowing creatures have only one supreme ambition, just one consuming desire, and that is to become, as they are in their spheres, like him as he is in his Paradise perfection of personality and in his universal sphere of righteous supremacy. From the Universal Father who inhabits eternity there has gone forth the supreme mandate, “Be you perfect, even as I am perfect.” In love and mercy the messengers of Paradise have carried this divine exhortation down through the ages and out through the universes, even to such lowly animal-origin creatures as the human races of Urantia.While earth is our natal sphere, it is not our destination.Welcome to the forum!Hello Ragathea,
My understanding is the basis of the reincarnation idea/concept is personal improvement. A good idea; a divine ideal. Reincarnation is man’s concept of getting from lowly to a higher spirit level and man’s limited viewpoint is a philosophical problem, while attempting to explain “in a vacuum”. How does one explain without knowing all the facts?
The UB does not confirm man’s understanding of the process of growth. The Revelators gave us a profoundly important upgrade to our understanding, as you see in Mara’s selected quote. From this quote and other UB information, we can see past understandings, no matter what human being expressed on the topic, are incomplete. It is good to desire spiritual growth. The Celestials and our Paradise Father do observe our desires.
We may consider the UB as a shared upgrade to mortal understandings of the Cosmos.
. . . consider the UB as a shared upgrade to mortal understandings of the Cosmos.
That’s cool.
Here is another reference to consider:
92:7.3 The many religions of Urantia are all good to the extent that they bring man to God and bring the realization of the Father to man. It is a fallacy for any group of religionists to conceive of their creed as The Truth; such attitudes bespeak more of theological arrogance than of certainty of faith. There is not a Urantia religion that could not profitably study and assimilate the best of the truths contained in every other faith, for all contain truth. Religionists would do better to borrow the best in their neighbors’ living spiritual faith rather than to denounce the worst in their lingering superstitions and outworn rituals.Another interesting idea to consider refers to the three types of religion on Urantia: evolutionary religions, revelational religions, or a mixture of both. I don’t have time to find the reference.- The Discourse on True Religion155:5.1This memorable discourse on religion, summarized and restated in modern phraseology, gave expression to the following truths:155:5.2While the religions of the world have a double origin—natural and revelatory—at any one time and among any one people there are to be found three distinct forms of religious devotion. And these three manifestations of the religious urge are:155:5.3.1. Primitive religion. The seminatural and instinctive urge to fear mysterious energies and worship superior forces, chiefly a religion of the physical nature, the religion of fear.155:5.42. The religion of civilization. The advancing religious concepts and practices of the civilizing races—the religion of the mind—the intellectual theology of the authority of established religious tradition.155:5.53. True religion—the religion of revelation. The revelation of supernatural values, a partial insight into eternal realities, a glimpse of the goodness and beauty of the infinite character of the Father in heaven—the religion of the spirit as demonstrated in human experience.
Oh yeah, you found it. I was wrong. Thanks
. . .the religions of Buddhism and Hinduism.
So, of those three, would Buddhism or Hinduism be . . . which? Or a combination?
I ask, because I think those two religions subscribe to reincarnation. Maybe Jainism does too. I think the Jainist holy men use a soft broom to sweep the ground in front of where they walk in order to prevent themselves from stepping on crawling insects. They don’t want to kill anything in case it might have once been a human (I think). But I digress.
94:12.7 All Urantia is waiting for the proclamation of the ennobling message of Michael, unencumbered by the accumulated doctrines and dogmas of nineteen centuries of contact with the religions of evolutionary origin. The hour is striking for presenting to Buddhism, to Christianity, to Hinduism, even to the peoples of all faiths, not the gospel about Jesus, but the living, spiritual reality of the gospel of Jesus..94:4.1 With the passing of the centuries in India, the populace returned in measure to the ancient rituals of the Vedas as they had been modified by the teachings of the Melchizedek missionaries and crystallized by the later Brahman priesthood. This, the oldest and most cosmopolitan of the world’s religions, has undergone further changes in response to Buddhism and Jainism and to the later appearing influences of Mohammedanism and Christianity. But by the time the teachings of Jesus arrived, they had already become so Occidentalized as to be a “white man’s religion,” hence strange and foreign to the Hindu mind..94:7.2 Gautama formulated those theories which grew into the philosophy of Buddhism after six years of the futile practice of Yoga. Siddhartha made a determined but unavailing fight against the growing caste system. There was a lofty sincerity and a unique unselfishness about this young prophet prince that greatly appealed to the men of those days. He detracted from the practice of seeking individual salvation through physical affliction and personal pain. And he exhorted his followers to carry his gospel to all the world..94:7.8 Siddhartha taught far more truth than has survived in the modern cults bearing his name. Modern Buddhism is no more the teachings of Gautama Siddhartha than is Christianity the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth..94:8.2 Buddhism took origin in a historic person, not in a myth. Gautama’s followers called him Sasta, meaning master or teacher. While he made no superhuman claims for either himself or his teachings, his disciples early began to call him the enlightened one, the Buddha; later on, Sakyamuni Buddha..94:12.6 [Part III]At the time of this writing, much of Asia rests its hope in Buddhism. Will this noble faith, that has so valiantly carried on through the dark ages of the past, once again receive the truth of expanded cosmic realities even as the disciples of the great teacher in India once listened to his proclamation of new truth? Will this ancient faith respond once more to the invigorating stimulus of the presentation of new concepts of God and the Absolute for which it has so long searched?- 132:7.3 It was on the visit to Switzerland, up in the mountains, that Jesus had an all-day talk with both father and son about Buddhism. Many times Ganid had asked Jesus direct questions about Buddha, but he had always received more or less evasive replies. Now, in the presence of the son, the father asked Jesus a direct question about Buddha, and he received a direct reply. Said Gonod: “I would really like to know what you think of Buddha.” And Jesus answered:.132:7.4 “Your Buddha was much better than your Buddhism. Buddha was a great man, even a prophet to his people, but he was an orphan prophet; by that I mean that he early lost sight of his spiritual Father, the Father in heaven. His experience was tragic. He tried to live and teach as a messenger of God, but without God. Buddha guided his ship of salvation right up to the safe harbor, right up to the entrance to the haven of mortal salvation, and there, because of faulty charts of navigation, the good ship ran aground. There it has rested these many generations, motionless and almost hopelessly stranded. And thereon have many of your people remained all these years. They live within hailing distance of the safe waters of rest, but they refuse to enter because the noble craft of the good Buddha met the misfortune of grounding just outside the harbor. And the Buddhist peoples never will enter this harbor unless they abandon the philosophic craft of their prophet and seize upon his noble spirit. Had your people remained true to the spirit of Buddha, you would have long since entered your haven of spirit tranquillity, soul rest, and assurance of salvation..“You see, Gonod, Buddha knew God in spirit but failed clearly to discover him in mind; the Jews discovered God in mind but largely failed to know him in spirit. Today, the Buddhists flounder about in a philosophy without God, while my people are piteously enslaved to the fear of a God without a saving philosophy of life and liberty. You have a philosophy without a God; the Jews have a God but are largely without a philosophy of living as related thereto. Buddha, failing to envision God as a spirit and as a Father, failed to provide in his teaching the moral energy and the spiritual driving power which a religion must possess if it is to change a race and exalt a nation.”.* * * * *32:7.9 What a scene for the celestial intelligences to behold, this spectacle of the Indian lad proposing to the Creator of a universe that they make a new religion! And though the young man did not know it, they were making a new and everlasting religion right then and there — this new way of salvation, the revelation of God to man through, and in, Jesus. That which the lad wanted most to do he was unconsciously actually doing. And it was, and is, ever thus. That which the enlightened and reflective human imagination of spiritual teaching and leading wholeheartedly and unselfishly wants to do and be, becomes measurably creative in accordance with the degree of mortal dedication to the divine doing of the Father’s will. When man goes in partnership with God, great things may, and do, happen.
From Paper 94, Section 2 & 3
Brahmanism
94:2.3The undue concentration on self led certainly to a fear of the nonevolutionary perpetuation of self in an endless round of successive incarnations as man, beast, or weeds. And of all the contaminating beliefs which could have become fastened upon what may have been an emerging monotheism, none was so stultifying as this belief in transmigration—the doctrine of the reincarnation of souls—which came from the Dravidian Deccan. This belief in the weary and monotonous round of repeated transmigrations robbed struggling mortals of their long-cherished hope of finding that deliverance and spiritual advancement in death which had been a part of the earlier Vedic faith.94:2.4This philosophically debilitating teaching was soon followed by the invention of the doctrine of the eternal escape from self by submergence in the universal rest and peace of absolute union with Brahman, the oversoul of all creation. Mortal desire and human ambition were effectually ravished and virtually destroyed. For more than two thousand years the better minds of India have sought to escape from all desire, and thus was opened wide the door for the entrance of those later cults and teachings which have virtually shackled the souls of many Hindu peoples in the chains of spiritual hopelessness. Of all civilizations, the Vedic-Aryan paid the most terrible price for its rejection of the Salem gospel.94:2.5Caste alone could not perpetuate the Aryan religio-cultural system, and as the inferior religions of the Deccan permeated the north, there developed an age of despair and hopelessness. It was during these dark days that the cult of taking no life arose, and it has ever since persisted. Many of the new cults were frankly atheistic, claiming that such salvation as was attainable could come only by man’s own unaided efforts. But throughout a great deal of all this unfortunate philosophy, distorted remnants of the Melchizedek and even the Adamic teachings can be traced.I am confused. TUB states in several places that the idea of reincarnation is absurd. How would one explain, then, the work of those such as Brian Weiss, Dolores Cannon, and Michael Newton? (Not to mention the religions of Buddhism and Hinduism). I have an idea on the issue, but I would first like to see some discussion on it to get some other ideas I may not have considered. Then I would like to share my thoughts on the subject.
Hey Ragathea
admittedly I know nothing of the works of Weiss, Cannon or Newton.
i have never given reincarnation much thought.
possibly in your own words you can summarize their work and maybe say what you think the purpose of reincarnation is? What possible value does it have? How does it benefit a person in their ascension efforts, or even efforts to self improve?
More history. Why? Because history provides context to the idea of reincarnation which denotes *undue concentration on self*. (94:2.3)
94:2.8 It was during the times of the writing of the Upanishads that Buddhi m arose in India. But despite its successes of a thousand years, it could not compete with later Hinduism; despite a higher morality, its early portrayal of God was even less well-defined than was that of Hinduism, which provided for lesser and personal deities. Buddhism finally gave way in northern India before the onslaught of a militant Islam with its clear-cut concept of Allah as the supreme God of the universe..94:4.8 While Hinduism has long failed to vivify the Indian people, at the same time it has usually been a tolerant religion. Its great strength lies in the fact that it has proved to be the most adaptive, amorphic religion to appear on Urantia. It is capable of almost unlimited change and possesses an unusual range of flexible adjustment from the high and semimonotheistic speculations of the intellectual Brahman to the arrant fetishism and primitive cult practices of the debased and depressed classes of ignorant believers..94:4.9 Hinduism has survived because it is essentially an integral part of the basic social fabric of India. It has no great hierarchy which can be disturbed or destroyed; it is interwoven into the life pattern of the people. It has an adaptability to changing conditions that excels all other cults, and it displays a tolerant attitude of adoption toward many other religions, Gautama Buddha and even Christ himself being claimed as incarnations of Vishnu..
92:7.2 New religions cannot be invented; they are either evolved, or else they are suddenly revealed. All new evolutionary religions are merely advancing expressions of the old beliefs, new adaptations and adjustments. The old does not cease to exist; it is merged with the new, even as Sikhism budded and blossomed out of the soil and forms of Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, and other contemporary cults. Primitive religion was very democratic; the savage was quick to borrow or lend. Only with revealed religion did autocratic and intolerant theologic egotism appear.Interesting that new religions are either evolved or revealed, and that autocratic and intolerant theologic egotism appears with revealed religion..The idea of reincarnation (94:2.3) is certainly self-centered. “This belief in the weary and monotonous round of repeated transmigrations robbed struggling mortals of their long-cherished hope of finding that deliverance and spiritual advancement in death which had been a part of the earlier Vedic faith.” Repeated transmigrations. The *nonevolutionary perpetuation of self in an endless round of successive incarnations as man, beast, or weeds*. Sounds grim to me.It does sound grim and to me it makes no sense.
But someone believes it has value otherwise they would not have spent the efforts to research or investigate or whatever?
id really like to hear the explanation.
But someone believes it . . . .
I myself did believe it, prior to getting born-again. I have a dear friend who attended my very first UB study group in 1991, but did not stay with us when she was informed the UB did not support transmigration of the soul. She believes in reincarnation. She did purchase a copy of the book and still reads it. Every single time we get together she asks me if I am still with the study group and always my answer is yes. She tells me she reads it by herself. She attended a study session with us a while back. Afterwards and privately she told me she thinks the book really *is something*. She said, “I think you really have something here” referring to the book. But, she said, she’s had so many *experiences* relating to past lives she doesn’t want to go with what the UB teaches. So be it. Anyone can take the teachings in the UB or leave them. No problem there in my opinion.
But, she said, she’s had so many *experiences* relating to past lives she doesn’t want to go with what the UB teaches.
Perhaps she’s fortunate to be indwelt by a very *experienced* Father fragment but just hasn’t realized it yet.
I wonder if the concept of reincarnation’s dominance in the minds of so many, isn’t just a remnant or consequence of the errant doctrines of rebellion put forth long ago which are still being supported today unwittingly (or knowingly), in addition to all the other nefarious things laid before us like a devil’s foot to trip over.
Greetings Ragathea…and welcome!
While I’ve never believed in reincarnation, I have had multiple “readings” of my past lives. Each one was very different and contradictory and part of the mediumship movement or so called new-age movement. I have no idea how the mind at mischief allows us (or some of us) to remember what never happened or misunderstand self created fantasy lives. Funny, I come from very humble farm folk but I was a real super star in all my prior ‘lives’….hahahaha….it’s so nice to be special, even in the past and in fictional constructs of the mind.
The UB clearly demonstrates how the false myth of reincarnation came about. First thing to understand is this is an early form of eternal life and immortality. Undoubtedly came from the Andites in several waves in India. Interesting read about how India and China’s early beliefs were formed around and influenced by the Garden and the Sethites to come later. Read Paper 79, sections 2, 3. and 4 for more information.
Much of what Christian’s call pagan actually has a factual origin that became very distorted over long periods of time. How many incarnations of physical transformation do we experience in the Local and Super Universes? What a coincidence? Don’t think so.
Thanks for the topic.
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
How many incarnations of physical transformation do we experience in the Local and Super Universes?
I would say “morontian transformations”.
Here is a partial answer.48:1.6 In the days of the mortal flesh the divine spirit indwells you, almost as a thing apart — in reality an invasion of man by the bestowed spirit of the Universal Father. But in the morontia life the spirit will become a real part of your personality, and as you successively pass through the 570 progressive transformations, you ascend from the material to the spiritual estate of creature life.Yes Mara….The UB says that much of our confusion lies in our ignorance of the morontia life. Christians teach a state of perfection is attained simply by dying and being saved before death to enter the eternal bliss of the perfect spirit worlds. Reincarnation and karma teaches that perfection takes many stages of perfecting and cannot be done or is very rarely achieved in one short human life. The karma angle brings the requirement of enlightening and perfecting to achieve the heavenly state and abode. One must have become more and more spiritized to get to heaven. Sound familiar?
This belief (and it is and was shared by many religions or belief sets through history) appears to have originated in the teachings of the Garden(s) about the morontia adventure and/or the 7 psychic circles prior to fusion and the personal transformation result to be fusion itself. These beliefs and myths (or many of them anyway) are shared globally due to Andite migrations prior to the era when Buddhism, Taoism, and the other religious hotspots which were blessed by Mel’s missionaries and blossomed about 500-600 years before Michael’s bestowal.
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
Thank you for the discussion and your “welcomes!” I am happy to be here. There are several avenues my mind is taking on this subject. I will try to sensibly explain them.
First, Gene, Weiss, Cannon, and Newton work with hypnotism of patients. All three have written numerous books detailing their cases. Brian Weiss (authored Many Lives, Many Masters) takes people backward through their current life, through childhood, infancy, and to their current birth, then further to their previous lives (starting with their deaths in those lives, then backward from there). Many people claim the medical problems they suffer from in this life have disappeared after a hypnotism session. (A woman had pain in her back… hypnotized… went to previous life… discovered she’d been stabbed in the back and died… returned to the present… pain now gone. This is a very brief example of his work.) Weiss is probably the most well-known person in his field.
Dolores Cannon describes a different approach to hypnotism, Quantum Healing Hypnosis Technique (QHHT) in which she takes a person to the somnambulistic trance state, deeper than the level of consciousness Weiss works with. She takes them to what she calls the SC (subconscious) (different from what we think of as the subconscious). Like Weiss, she takes people through previous lives, but many of her patients describe lives on other planets and even lives as things in nature (a drop of water in a river, a rock, a worm… “everything that exists has consciousness”). http://dolorescannon.com/about-qhht/
Dr. Michael Newton’s (Newton Institute) specialty is Life Between Lives (LBL), in which hypnotees are taken past their previous birth into the time between this life and the last one. Although he does go to past lives, this time between earth lives is where he concentrates most of his work. People meet others in their “soul groups,” enjoy the Hall of Records (akashic), visit the past life room (forgot what he calls it) where people can see what they were in previous lives, what their missions were, did they accomplish them? what were their weaknesses? strengths? what goals did they set up for themselves in this life?, etc etc. (Did you know there’s even a LIBRARY in Heaven??
). It is all for soul development. Both Cannon’s (QHHT) and Newton’s (LBL training) methods are taught to other practitioners all over the world.All three of these practitioners are pretty much in agreement regarding their work, as I do not think there are discrepancies as far as the general soul advancement issue. While I do not personally have any reason to believe I have lived before, as I don’t have memories of such, I do have pre-birth memories. I can discuss this if anyone’s interested, but of course it isn’t about Urantia Book, so I may not be permitted here.
My thoughts on the issue are not beliefs of mine. Like many others, I am always in a state of assimilation, putting things together, finding the why’s, making things make sense, so my mind is constantly doing jigsaw puzzles with concepts I come across in my reading. Now I know, since I’m human, I just fit new ideas into those already existing, those I’ve already accepted. I am aware this tendency is part of the reason so many have been misled by religions and cultures. That said, here is the evolution of my reincarnation education, and they are merely thought of in my head as what if’s: As a child, after reading the books of the three doctors discussed above, I came to believe that humans indeed have had multiple lives on earth, linearly, or consecutively. The number of patients these Dr’s had number in the thousands, and many of them, strangers to each other, spoke of identical experiences. In addition, a study was done at UVA that is the largest study of children regarding past lives, and also favored the concept. Some of the stories gave me chills. So basically, this was enough for me to accept the belief in reincarnation.
However, through further study, I learned the concept of “One Space, One Time” which states we all occupy the same space and the only time is now. In fact, time doesn’t even exist “over there”, it is only a manmade construct to make life on earth more manageable and better understood. So everything happening on earth is supposedly happening at the same time. Some go as far as to specify, yes, all of our lives–past, present, and future–are all happening at the same time. This sounds totally off the wall, I am aware.
After all my readings, most of which embrace reincarnation, imagine my surprise when I learned what Urantia Book had to say about it. If we do not have more than one earth life, as UB teaches, and thousands of people are having these memories and hypnotisms in favor of reincarnation, are we perhaps receiving the memories of our ancestors somehow through the DNA? And mistakenly impressed with the fact that they are our own? Would that explain it? For the record, I resonate strongly with the UB. But at the same time, I consider what I know in favor of reincarnation. The only way my human brain can reconcile this seemingly contradictory information is as follows: (Background info necessary here) There is a part of Newton’s work that discusses the fact that we never bring 100% of our energy with us to a life on earth. Basically, we leave pieces of us where we came from, parts of our souls. Also, more than one part of a person’s energy can live multiple lives on earth, even at the same time. So……. I picture a timeline of all of earth’s history and future, and pieces of ourselves preparing to become individuals, determining the time they want to live in that would best serve the whole by offering experiences that would give the most advancement. So they select lives, for example, one in 1,000 BC, one during the Renaissance, one on the Mayflower, one in the Roaring 20’s, and one a thousand years from our current time. If all our lives are happening concurrently– because there is only one time– when we come here, do we choose what part of history to enter like this? How else can it be reconciled? And could the hypnotees, when “remembering” past lives, merely be crossing over or picking up on a life currently being lived by part of themselves, but in a different time?
As I said, I have not totally embraced any of it. I do try to concentrate on my current life, which is very time consuming
These ideas may sound crazy, but we must remember that there are realities and truths that we as humans are not equipped to comprehend. Our brains literally cannot fathom some concepts of the spirit world–and aren’t supposed to. If anyone would like to touch on this, I would appreciate further discussion, although there may be some time between my posts as this is a busy summer! I hope this doesn’t sound repetitive. Thanks again to all. I am glad I found you.Everyone who discovers the Urantia Book and decides to dedicate themselves to incorporate its revelations into their way of thinking about what’s real and what’s not, struggles with the phenomenon of working out how to do it while being encumbered with long held onto ideas (which may be right or wrong) dominating the mind currently.
(147:7.2) Be reminded that a wise tailor does not sew a piece of new and unshrunk cloth upon an old garment, lest, when it is wet, it shrink and produce a worse rent. Neither do men put new wine into old wine skins, lest the new wine burst the skins so that both the wine and the skins perish. The wise man puts the new wine into fresh wine skins. Therefore do my disciples show wisdom in that they do not bring too much of the old order over into the new teaching of the gospel of the kingdom.
The revelations of the Urantia Book are like very fresh wine.
Ragathea
i appreciate your in depth reply, however I must admit I am a bit confused. This is all very new and very different to me.
i have no recollection of past lives, never even thought about it and as an out of control adolescent my mom thought hypnosis would help me- I cannot be hypnotized I found out.
i do believe that the power of suggestion is very powerful however and obviously there are people that can be hypnotized. One could easily argue the combination of the two as well as the studies and interests and beliefs of a person could easily be the reality that one believes to be real.
in regard to the healing that some experienced, I think about what Jesus told so many people that experienced healing – it was their own faith that made it happen. The mind is powerful beyond my understanding. It is also subject to deceptions and fanaticism as disclosed by the rebellion and even spiritual revelation that is misunderstood misused and abused.
I see reincarnation as something that binds us to something I interpret as nonproductive, not much potential for the progress described to the Urania book.
Sorry if I’m not a sympathetic ear to this sort of thing.
The problem I have with the concept of reincarnation is a very basic one: It’s backwards.
Reincarnation is based upon the belief that reliving past mistakes, with the hope of correcting them, can bring eternal peace. Jesus was pretty clear that mistakes don’t have to be relived in another life; mistakes are ideally recognized and corrected in this life. If you think about it, coming back to earth to relive a life hoping not to make the same mistakes you made in the last one is a pretty futile exercise, not to mention exhausting. And not to mention it fosters the fallacy of original sin.
Another thing that doesn’t make sense about reincarnation is that it suggests the soul a person has in this life is the same soul he/she had in a previous life. This is another way of saying that the soul pre-exists, and we know that each soul is born anew, that it is morontia in substance, and that it cannot be re-attached to a new material body and mind. After death the soul is in the care of the guardian angel and cannot go backwards. Also, if a soul re-attaches to another material body and mind, it would have to bring the Adjuster with it, and we know that this does not happen. Adjusters do not return to the same planet after death, even if the soul does not survive, except in special cases, like the Adjuster who indwelled Melchizedek who came back to indwell Jesus.
109:4.6 In a sense the Adjusters may be fostering a certain degree of planetary cross-fertilization in the domains of truth, beauty, and goodness. But they are seldom given two indwelling experiences on the same planet; there is no Adjuster now serving on Urantia who has been on this world previously. I know whereof I speak since we have their numbers and records in the archives of Uversa.
