That’s not in the Constitution. I think you’re referring to this part of the Declaration of Independence.
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I see it happening but it is this the best approach, jump into a multicultural blending pot with little consideration of consequences?
Hello nelson!! If unity and understanding and differential tolerance are important to the era to come, the USA seems to provide the best opportunity IMO for racial and cultural blending and, more importantly, religious freedom and tolerance. Many families, including my own, are racially blended with many races involved and new levels of tolerance and family and community values are created thereby. We are today, afterall, but one race – the human race. That which tears down prejudice and intolerance must be a good thing for the greatest number of us and it also reveals those who hate based on race….or religion.
I think America is a great nation with an inspired constitution whose primary brilliance lies not in any democracy or republic but offers equal standing and protection under the law and protects the rights of the individual and the minorities from the majority mob. This makes most other democracies very weak forms of majority rule which reinforces racial, religious, and cultural restrictions upon all others who reside or may be citizens of the country. Our country has been made stronger and wiser by the suffering over the centuries of women, slaves, “freed” slaves, natives, Jews, and every single migrant wave from the Irish and Italians to the Vietnamese and Mexican, etc. Every country on every continent has delivered up their most idealistic and hard working peoples to our nation and we are that result – a culture that is a blend of all others united without uniformity.
Those who fight immigration today do not understand much about history…..even or especially their own. Question is will the rest of the world follow our lead by constitution and equal protection or will institutional persecution continue to deliver up still more immigrants to that land that has been built by immigrants? We win, they lose, if so. Or so I think.
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
- Bradly wrote: Those who fight immigration today do not understand much about history . . .
I don’t know anybody fighting immigration. I do know people arguing against ILLEGAL immigration, but that’s another topic. I’m wondering what your thoughts are on these quotes:
68:6.4 When the land yield is reduced or the population is increased, the inevitable struggle is renewed; the very worst traits of human nature are brought to the surface. The improvement of the land yield, the extension of the mechanical arts, and the reduction of population all tend to foster the development of the better side of human nature.
81:6.11 Human resources. Man power is indispensable to the spread of civilization. All things equal, a numerous people will dominate the civilization of a smaller race. Hence failure to increase in numbers up to a certain point prevents the full realization of national destiny, but there comes a point in population increase where further growth is suicidal. Multiplication of numbers beyond the optimum of the normal man-land ratio means either a lowering of the standards of living or an immediate expansion of territorial boundaries by peaceful penetration or by military conquest, forcible occupation.
Well….due to the lowering birth rate here, U.S. economists want immigrants to compensate for the retiring boomer wave demographic results of too few workers paying taxes to support too many retirees. And U.S. employers (including support from the Chamber and NFIB) want immigrants to help them moderate wage and salary pressures caused by too few workers for too many jobs. Current immigration policy includes the mandatory deportation of U.S. college educated but foreign born graduates including scientists, doctors, nurses, inventors, and entrepeneurs but factually, entry level labor is also in very short supply. Neither land nor food is an issue for us….yet. China and India are the principal victims of that text referenced I think and the “solution” may not be pretty….for them or the rest of the world.
Remember, the primary beneficiary of “illegal” immigration are “illegal” employers who hire them and abuse them. The party of today that is anti-immigration is a prima facia example of hypocracy…..they exploit immigrants and profit by that exploitation and do so illegally…it’s easy to stop such immigration – prosecute the illegal employers…but we don’t and we won’t. The Mexican issue is quite simple actually….if we green card their entry and exit, they will come and go as needed, returning home as often as they are able but we won’t and now have two classes of “illegal” immigrants that are over 70% of that population…..those brought here as children and those who gave birth after arrival who have been “trapped” north of the border by our distorted policies. I’ve worked with many such and all were God loving, family oriented, hard working people. Now that Mexico is the fastest growing economy and middle class on the planet, we may wish for the good old days soon enough – for they won’t come here when there is work at home! It is an ironic possibility that the guns guarding our southern border may be on the other side of the fence some day, especially if climate change destroys our water table and arable land (California is now shutting down agriculture to allow the general population to have an ever diminishing water supply). It’s going to be an interesting century!!!
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
Hopefully the era to come will bring an eugenics approach to racial blending that reaches beyond prejudice and gets into why, what do we want from doing this, what do we want to improve, how will this improve the human race, what can we expect for result.
There is nothing wrong with the existing races on the planet today. Should we improve what we have before we jump into an unknown cultural melting pot? Another question for the era to come? Or just jump in and hope for the best. It dont make sense to me to let our desire to help immigrants or other races cloud thinking about the big picture.
If improvement of the human race is really the goal, I just dont think we are ready for it today, or tomorrow.
I think back to a paper in TUB that tells us that all industry should be agricultural based or we will eventually perish. We got more imediate probelms to solve before we start designing people of the future. We will likely overpopulate because of illegal immigration and misdirected industry, that is if we all dont get set on fire in a cage or get decapitated first.
It dont make sense to me to let our desire to help immigrants or other races cloud thinking about the big picture.
I agree nelson – but there’s nothing altruistic about our immigration policy in either direction – pro or con – those who fight for immigration have a very self serving agenda – more workers and tax payers. It’s primarily a monetary/economic agenda. We do not go to war to spread freedom and we don’t allow immigrants for their benefit either. But the results of immigration is these United States. A land of immigrants fleeing persecution or worse for some 400 years now. Funny how only 3-5 generations of being born here turns each prior group of immigrants into anti-immigrationists! We people are a funny bunch of monkeys! We are way too far into this social/cultural/religious/political experiment to back up now. But I agree we need to be more pragmatic and thoughtful going forward than we’ve been in the past.
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
I see illegal as the key word here. Freedom loving altruistic people made one big mistake, controlling illegal immigration.
Besides, spreading freedom has not had much success. It happened here because certain immigrants concieved of it, wanted it and demanded it and fought for it and will need to continue to fight for it. But these types of people are becoming a minority in America.
The new age is not new at all, it is the same old marxist ideology that originates from the chosen people, there is no secret about that.
Remember, the primary beneficiary of “illegal” immigration are “illegal” employers who hire them and abuse them.
How would you know this if not from listening to the talking heads at MSNB? Logic would tell you that if the illegals are abused here, they came and stayed because it must be much better here than where they came from.
The party of today that is anti-immigration is a prima facia example of hypocracy…..they exploit immigrants and profit by that exploitation and do so illegally…it’s easy to stop such immigration – prosecute the illegal employers…but we don’t and we won’t.
And you know hypocrisy well Bradly. The fact remains that employers do good by employing people. You would destroy the employers to destroy jobs and destroy people in the process. I am glad you are not in charge of anything, Bradly. You despise profit so much that you would destroy people in order to destroy profit, precious indeed.
I’ve worked with many such and all were God loving, family oriented, hard working people. Now that Mexico is the fastest growing economy and middle class on the planet,
That is wonderful Bradly, and I am an immigrant with family in two countries. Those who come are not middle class, they are the desperately poor.
Corruption is out of control in Mexico. The poor will always suffer more because of this. There is rampant racism. If you are mestizo, forget about moving up. You must be light skinned European to even have a chance.
– for they won’t come here when there is work at home!
They will always come because there is no freedom on earth like here.
It is an ironic possibility that the guns guarding our southern border may be on the other side of the fence some day, especially if climate change destroys our water table and arable land (California is now shutting down agriculture to allow the general population to have an ever diminishing water supply).
If California has water table problems then they must solve it or they must move out. It won’t be to Mexico, however, because they are corrupt, freedom hating hypocrites. They allow absolutely no immigration from their southern border with Guatemala. Those crossing that border are shot on sight or immediately imprisoned, and they are better off getting shot. Seventy percent of my patients are Hispanic from all over South and Central America and it is pitiful down there.
The Mexican issue is quite simple actually….if we green card their entry and exit, they will come and go as needed,
It is always simple for simple minded economists with nothing to provide of any value to society. They hate the business man for doing what they as economist can’t even understand. Profit is not even a word to be said out loud. Economist are almost as useless to society as lawyers. Useless would be better than destructive. And economist would destroy if only they could do anything.
PRIMA FACIA example, Jonathan Gruber. The poster boy idiot and the world champion of hypocrites. But he did nothing. He gave it to others to execute the destruction.
Perhaps we could discuss this further without your personal attacks, anger, and even hate you so earnestly display here? The blame and accusation game you employ prevents any real examination of cause and effect or appreciation for all the good things and progress the Most Highs are making in our world. One cannot think clearly when fear and negativity are the basis for every reply. One may disagree without being so disagreeable. Your “presentations” lack much in the pursuit of discovery, sharing, and caring Louis and such a disposition does not aid or assist in making your arguments palatable or credible. In matters of business (I’m an owner and been so for 40 years of a small- for profit – enterprise and practice) I am well trained and experienced in my opinions (but not necessarily correct) and I have many friends who are Hispanic, both here and abroad. The USA has its full measure of corruption I assure you….yet progress is achieved. Immigrants (like my family long ago) are often poor and desperate…..how does that saying go on the Statue of Liberty?
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles, and her name
Mother of Exiles. Exiles.Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door
Give me your tired, your poor, your tired, poor.Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door,
Give me your tired, your poor, your tired, poor.From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!”
cries she With silent lips.Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door
Give me your tired, your poor, your tired, poor.I lift my lamp up.
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
Hypocrites and idolators must be called out and called out most vociferously. There is not other means. Those to sensitive to hear must lift their lamps higher and make them brighter so as to not fall in the ditch as they walk through life. Otherwise they are as blind men leading the blind.
I recall reading in the section about a neighboring planet, which incidentally I’m sure was shared with us for a reason, that it is against the law for two families to live under one roof. It is also a law that each family have fifty-thousand square feet of land (more than an acre). When it comes to population and the land-ratio, is this meant to be an example for us?
How would that work out in the U.S.? Our population is around 316 million documented people, and untold millions of undocumented. Let’s round it out to 330 million. How much land would that be per average family of 2.54 people (let’s round to 3)? There is over 2 billion of acres of land in the U.S., but not all of it is farmable or even livable. I think if you consider that we’re down to 400 million acres (according to 2007 estimates), the numbers are easy to calculate. So, 110 million families can actually get 3.6 acres each. That allows for a modest population growth, I would think. But only if we open up land and move some people out of cities. It’s the high density of population, immigrant or otherwise, that seems to be the biggest issue. At least to me.
How would that work out in the U.S.? Our population is around 316 million documented people, and untold millions of undocumented. Let’s round it out to 330 million. How much land would that be per average family of 2.54 people (let’s round to 3)? There is over 2 billion of acres of land in the U.S., but not all of it is farmable or even livable. I think if you consider that we’re down to 400 million acres (according to 2007 estimates), the numbers are easy to calculate. So, 110 million families can actually get 3.6 acres each. That allows for a modest population growth, I would think. But only if we open up land and move some people out of cities. It’s the high density of population, immigrant or otherwise, that seems to be the biggest issue. At least to me.
I don’t know. Ask Bradly, he is a farm boy and knows about sheep and their mathematics. Maybe he can help you with the math here on this issue.
Besides, spreading freedom has not had much success. It happened here because certain immigrants concieved of it, wanted it and demanded it and fought for it and will need to continue to fight for it. But these types of people are becoming a minority in America.
Do you think that this is the current ideological struggle? The meaning of freedom?
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69:9.19 captures my thoughts
communism is a very primitive urge.
some primitive people just won’t let go of it.
(782.5) 69:9.18 The present social order is not necessarily right — not divine or sacred — but mankind will do well to move slowly in making changes. That which you have is vastly better than any system known to your ancestors. Make certain that when you change the social order you change for the better. Do not be persuaded to experiment with the discarded formulas of your forefathers. Go forward, not backward! Let evolution proceed! Do not take a backward step.
I don’t think the author of this paper refers to communism as the present social order
- nelsong wrote: . . . .some primitive people just won’t let go of it.That made me laugh. I agree that some people just won’t let go of it, but it’s because they don’t think it’s primitive. They think it is FAIR. That’s another ideological struggle, the concept of fairness.nelsong wrote: . . . I don’t think the author of this paper refers to communism as the present social order
I agree with that too. The quote comes from the section on private property. In communism there is no such thing as private property. Perhaps they are referring to capitalism as the present social order and that we should evolve to a form of enlightened capitalism before abandoning it all together.
I’ve been trying to explain what enlightened capitalism is to my kids for years. They grew up being taught that capitalism is evil and that is what they believe, end of story. Then I point out the hypocrisy of that belief now that they both have IRA’s, bank accounts, brokerage accounts and profit sharing benefits from their employers. Their eyes just glaze over. I fear that modern education has deeply poisoned an entire generation of men and women. I’m sure they will work their way through it, but not after wreaking havoc on the foundations of our society, at least for a while. I believe the urge to help will always translate (devolve) into a communist Marxist ideology unless enlightened. Without enlightenment history shows that successful people become the slave class, enslaved to those who want (or the few that really need) help.
the best way to help an able bodied person is make available opportunity to self help.
The best way to help so many of those who really need help is a more long term enlightened eugenic approach – certainly with much accident prevention education as well.
- nelsong wrote: (782.5) 69:9.18 . . . Go forward, not backward! Let evolution proceed! Do not take a backward step.Do you think two-steps-forward-one-step-backward applies?118:8:6 The slowness of evolution, of human cultural progress, testifies to the effectiveness of that brake — material inertia — which so efficiently operates to retard dangerous velocities of progress. Thus does time itself cushion and distribute the otherwise lethal results of premature escape from the next-encompassing barriers to human action. For when culture advances overfast, when material achievement outruns the evolution of worship-wisdom, then does civilization contain within itself the seeds of retrogression; and unless buttressed by the swift augmentation of experiential wisdom, such human societies will recede from high but premature levels of attainment, and the “dark ages” of the interregnum of wisdom will bear witness to the inexorable restoration of the imbalance between self-liberty and self-control.Regarding the current era within range of the twentieth century:8:2:5 . . . But today society is top-heavy with the overgrowth of supposed human needs. Occidental civilization of the twentieth century groans wearily under the tremendous overload of luxury and the inordinate multiplication of human desires and longings. Modern society is enduring the strain of one of its most dangerous phases of far-flung interassociation and highly complicated interdependence.
Two steps forward one back I can’t disagree with at all.
we as a human race, bound together by brotherhood really need to be together about that two stepping.
thinking on a different level but analogous I think: Freuid built a psychiatry on the study of degenerates while Maslow chose to build one on the study of successful people.
