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242 posts · 12 participants · started Jan 20, 2015, 5:30 PM

BradlyParticipant
Feb 3, 2015, 4:27 PM
Also, allow me to say how blessed we are here to have the voices of experience by women to learn from. Most forums, yes even UB ones, are male dominated, rowdy, competitive, and lack the important element of half the population of readership. Historically, the UB movement has always enjoyed (and still does) the wisdom and guidance of strong females from study groups to organizational leadership. It is a strength and a guiding light. More sisters here would be a very good thing for us all. Peace.

"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
MaraParticipant
Feb 3, 2015, 4:46 PM

Bonita wrote: This thread is about society, civilization, culture. Doesn’t quality of thinking elevate culture? Forward looking individuals who have a good standard of living and the resulting leisure time owe it to society to thirst for knowledge and wisdom in order to elevate the culture of this planet.

Isn’t the thirst for knowledge innate in humankind? Children ask a million questions. They want to know. Isn’t the urge for wisdom innate? Worldwide? Back in the day when I was in the Peace Corps I taught improved methods of agriculture and homemaking to the end of improving standards of living. Imagine my surprise when I read of this illuminating concept prosecuted (at least it was attempted) in Dalamatia.

66:6:4 Each of the ten planetary commissions set about slowly and naturally to advance the interests intrusted to them. Their plan consisted in attracting the best minds of the surrounding tribes and, after training them, sending them back to their people as emissaries of social uplift.

Years afterwards, I comprehended, “Their motive was progression by evolution and not revolution by revelation.”

66:6:6 The Dalamatia teachers sought to add conscious social selection to the purely natural selection of biologic evolution. They did not derange human society, but they did markedly accelerate its normal and natural evolution. Their motive was progression by evolution and not revolution by revelation. The human race had spent ages in acquiring the little religion and morals it had, and these supermen knew better than to rob mankind of these few advances by the confusion and dismay which always result when enlightened and superior beings undertake to uplift the backward races by overteaching and overenlightenment.

Jesus cautioned not to teach too far beyond the capacity of people to comprehend.

137:7:14 Jesus taught these men all they could assimilate. He did not make the mistake of overteaching them. He did not precipitate confusion by the presentation of truth too far beyond their capacity to comprehend.

In November a friend and I started a weekly prayer circle for members in our private community. It’s turned out to be a most wonderful experience. It’s become a friendship circle. It is non-denominational, but of course the tradition of every person in the group is based on the Bible. I talk Bible too. I mention this because a person asked a question this week that caused everyone to become completely silent. The question was, “Can we talk about the Trinity sometime?” Most believe in Father-Son-Holy-ghost. The person who asked believes only in Father-Son. And one person in the group believes only in God. I see this as a opportunity and a dilemma too. But the question is out and am thinking about it and hope that I could be helpful to the group without overteaching.
BonitaParticipant
Feb 3, 2015, 4:55 PM

Bradly wrote:

Also, allow me to say how blessed we are here to have the voices of experience by women to learn from. Most forums, yes even UB ones, are male dominated, rowdy, competitive, and lack the important element of half the population of readership.

Thank you so much for saying that Bradly. I’ve been wondering for years where all the women are on these forums. You’re one of the few who is willing to accept a female point of view without chest-pounding, and I really appreciate that. There are others who are also willing, but they rarely ever engage in conversation here. I think it is unfortunate because it gives the world a false impression of UB males. Maybe that’s why so few women come here, maybe they have better things to do than to deal with retrograde, truculent machismo.
nelsongParticipant
Feb 3, 2015, 5:10 PM

Bonita wrote:

nelsong wrote:

The era to come should have some eugenics packed into it don’t you think?

Nelson, eugenics is useless unless those practicing it have reached a high level of quality thinking. What good will eugenics do without the wisdom necessary to use it to the benefit of the cosmos? I think low quality thinking regarding eugenics was clearly put on display in the last century

agreed

we certainly know how not to approach it
BonitaParticipant
Feb 3, 2015, 5:12 PM

Mara wrote:

Isn’t the thirst for knowledge innate in humankind? Children ask a million questions. They want to know. Isn’t the urge for wisdom innate? Worldwide?

I think the cosmic mind reality reflexes are innate in an Adjuster-indwelt mind. But . . . but . . . but . . . underutilization is an issue. Without the deep, Adjuster guided thinking required, these innate reflexes don’t ping within the mind and life becomes mostly subjective. That is, wrapped up in the sensory activities of the material world. So, although the thirst for knowledge and urge for wisdom is available, so few avail themselves of it because it requires work. By work I mean the effort required to think along with Spirit – quality thinking.

The spirit of wisdom may make contact with most people, but the willingness to help it to do its work of coordinating the other adjutants which then allows the Holy Spirit to do her overlapping ministry is sorely lacking in some people. We are told that when 3/4 of the youth devote themselves to materialistic pursuits of the sensory world, civilization is doomed. That would be youth who refuse to do the work necessary to elevate their quality of thinking. There’s no wisdom there, none at all.

111:4.4-5 The advances of true civilization are all born in this inner world of mankind. It is only the inner life that is truly creative. Civilization can hardly progress when the majority of the youth of any generation devote their interests and energies to the materialistic pursuits of the sensory or outer world.

The inner and the outer worlds have a different set of values. Any civilization is in jeopardy when three quarters of its youth enter materialistic professions and devote themselves to the pursuit of the sensory activities of the outer world. Civilization is in danger when youth neglect to interest themselves in ethics, sociology, eugenics, philosophy, the fine arts, religion, and cosmology.
nelsongParticipant
Feb 3, 2015, 5:18 PM
I freely admit I’m a man that has no womanly experience in regard to abortion but I do know how devistating and profoundly life changing life taking can be.
BradlyParticipant
Feb 3, 2015, 5:21 PM
Bonita said above: “The spirit of wisdom may make contact with most people, but the willingness to help it to do its work of coordinating the other adjutants which then allows the Holy Spirit to do her overlapping ministry is sorely lacking in some people. We are told that when 3/4 of the youth devote themselves to materialistic pursuits of the sensory world, civilization is doomed. That would be youth who refuse to do the work necessary to elevate their quality of thinking. There’s no wisdom there, none at all.”

Me here: And this situation is due, in many regards, to the paradox of prosperity. Prosperity delivers the opportunity for education and critical thinking at the same time it delivers the opportunities for gluttony, greed, diversion, entertaining distractions, laziness, and obsession that are not available to those who struggle daily with basic food, water, and shelter issues. The decadence of prosperity. While youth have always been exuberant and foolish in their lack of experience, today’s world offers much for the foolish to embrace. Let us hope that time brings deliverance in some form from such dangers that appear inherent within the paradox.

(765.2) 68:2.5 History is but the record of man’s agelong food struggle. Primitive man only thought when he was hungry; food saving was his first self-denial, self-discipline. With the growth of society, food hunger ceased to be the only incentive for mutual association. Numerous other sorts of hunger, the realization of various needs, all led to the closer association of mankind. But today society is top-heavy with the overgrowth of supposed human needs. Occidental civilization of the twentieth century groans wearily under the tremendous overload of luxury and the inordinate multiplication of human desires and longings. Modern society is enduring the strain of one of its most dangerous phases of far-flung interassociation and highly complicated interdependence.

"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
BradlyParticipant
Feb 3, 2015, 5:32 PM
nelsong wrote:

I freely admit I’m a man that has no womanly experience in regard to abortion but I do know how devistating and profoundly life changing life taking can be.

And how about life giving and the responsibilities and burdens put upon girls with no support or family or society who reviles them for their lack of a husband and traps them in a life without hope or opportunity? The personal desire or need for such an emotional and burdensome choice is driven by society’s unwillingness to support family values in any meaningful way. Those who are opposed to abortion are also often opposed to primary care of such women and children (or even birth control or sex education – but only offer the insanity of just say “no” – what a crock!) and are far more judgmental than helpful or even sympathetic to the emotional and financial devastation choices we provide those who must face such an awful “choice”. If the world becomes wise enough to WANT children and CARE for children and exalt the family as civilization’s very foundation – such a choice would never (or very rarely) be desirable to anyone ever. The decision is not about whether a child is wanted so much as what life will be like for the mother AND the child delivered into such an environment. It’s a conundrum…..that no man will ever understand.

"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
nelsongParticipant
Feb 3, 2015, 5:55 PM
Insulating ones self from the dark side of the abortion experience is convenient I suppose but we all got to live with ourselves in the end
BradlyParticipant
Feb 3, 2015, 6:16 PM
I agree Nelson, there are only dark sides to the issue and to the experience I’m sure. Lots of opportunity for second guessing, regret, guilt, and emotional trauma….either way. Often, there are only victims to either choice made. Prevention seems so much more sane. Children having children in a world without family as its bedrock institution is a horrific consequence we must all consider….with love for all I think. The only reality aligned “side” in this issue is how best to empower love and family for all the children of the world. Our future is often lost before it really begins….children’s lives are so early formed into a difficult and daunting future by the conditions in which they are nurtured or neglected or abused or traumatized and in the face of indifference and/or social isolation. So sad.

"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
BonitaParticipant
Feb 3, 2015, 6:33 PM

Bradly wrote:

The decadence of prosperity. While youth have always been exuberant and foolish in their lack of experience, today’s world offers much for the foolish to embrace. Let us hope that time brings deliverance in some form from such dangers that appear inherent within the paradox.

Well . . . I don’t think sitting around waiting for time to deliver us is of any use at all. Of course, all things do have their proper time, but when it comes to educating our youth, I think now’s the time.

As I see it, we are currently laboring under a very difficult problem of responsibility. Who is responsible for educating the youth. I think if you went out on the street and asked 100 people that question, 95 of them would say “the state”. A millennia ago, 95 out of 100 would have said, “the Church,” but that’s because the Church was the state then. And this is the way it will be as long as we have parents incapable of educating their own children, or unwilling to take an active part in their education. It’s become a critical issue.

A friend of mine decided to go back into teaching after her children went to college. She started out as an aide in the local elementary school and was promptly assigned to kindergarten. It turns out that over half of the 5 year olds were still wearing diapers that needed changing throughout the day. The parents never bothered to potty-train their kids! If they can’t potty-train, how can they educate? I was blown away when I heard her tribulations, trying to train children to use the toilet instead of teaching them about colors and numbers. It’s crazy, absolutely crazy. What is going on with parenting in this culture? It’s scary as hell.
BonitaParticipant
Feb 3, 2015, 6:45 PM

Bradly wrote:

The decision is not about whether a child is wanted so much as what life will be like for the mother AND the child delivered into such an environment. It’s a conundrum…..that no man will ever understand.

And then you have the other problem. The more you reward a certain behavior, the more of that behavior you get. The government supports unwed mothers in this country, no questions asked. The more children you have, the more money you get, and the more baby-daddies are sought. Sooner or later this subculture becomes so engrained that it seems “normal”. We did this to ourselves.

When it comes to “just say no,” allow me to bring up this quote:

82:1.10 No human emotion or impulse, when unbridled and overindulged, can produce so much harm and sorrow as this powerful sex urge. Intelligent submission of this impulse to the regulations of society is the supreme test of the actuality of any civilization. Self-control, more and more self-control, is the ever-increasing demand of advancing mankind.
emanny3003Blocked
Feb 3, 2015, 8:09 PM

Keryn wrote:

It is always contentious when discussing an issue like abortion, particularly when there are so many males who love to hear themselves talk about an issue for which they will NEVER have to face, personally.

What a bunch of malarky. A father (male) has never had to face the murder of their son or daughter? How utterly insensitive of you. This is quite personal. You gals scream for equality but on this issue you all are so superior.

Bradly wrote:

Also, allow me to say how blessed we are here to have the voices of experience by women to learn from.

A male suck up perhaps?
emanny3003Blocked
Feb 3, 2015, 8:34 PM

Mara wrote:

Back in the day when I was in the Peace Corps I taught improved methods of agriculture and homemaking to the end of improving standards of living.

How did I predict this. You are so wonderful, Mara, if you don’t say so yourself. This self reference is precious.

Bonita wrote:

Thank you so much for saying that Bradly. I’ve been wondering for years where all the women are on these forums. You’re one of the few who is willing to accept a female point of view without chest-pounding, and I really appreciate that.

You are wonderful too, Bradly. You appeal to my feminine side.

Bradly wrote:

Me here: And this situation is due, in many regards, to the paradox of prosperity. Prosperity delivers the opportunity for education and critical thinking at the same time it delivers the opportunities for gluttony, greed, diversion, entertaining distractions, laziness, and obsession that are not available to those who struggle daily with basic food, water, and shelter issues. The decadence of prosperity.

The decadence of poverty is infinitely worse. And my mother wore no shoes and lived in a hut with a dirt floor. She would have gladly accepted a little decadence of prosperity and a little less struggle. This is hypocritical and obscene, Bradly.

Bradly wrote:

And how about life giving and the responsibilities and burdens put upon girls with no support or family or society who reviles them for their lack of a husband and traps them in a life without hope or opportunity?

Lack of husbands perhaps but no lack of sperm. Are men one celled organisms with tails?

Bradly wrote:

Those who are opposed to abortion are also often opposed to primary care of such women and children (or even birth control or sex education – but only offer the insanity of just say “no” – what a crock!)

Those that cannot say no to sex, say no to taking a pill or using a condom or doing the homework assignment in a sex Ed class. There is always an excuse.

Those little sperm are so adorable, they look like tadpoles.

Bradly wrote:

So sad.

Yes, all of it.

Bonita wrote:

When it comes to “just say no,” allow me to bring up this quote:

82:1.10 No human emotion or impulse, when unbridled and overindulged, can produce so much harm and sorrow as this powerful sex urge. Intelligent submission of this impulse to the regulations of society is the supreme test of the actuality of any civilization. Self-control, more and more self-control, is the ever-increasing demand of advancing mankind.

Hallelujah! Some sanity!
KerynMember
Feb 3, 2015, 8:37 PM

emanny3003 wrote:

What a bunch of malarky. A father (male) has never had to face the murder of their son or daughter? How utterly insensitive of you. This is quite personal. You gals scream for equality but on this issue you all are so superior.

I sincerely believe that, in cases where the father of the child is engaged, loving, willing and able to help the mother care for the child, there are *very few* cases of abortion (contrary to the wishes of the father) in those situations. The largest majority of abortions occur in situations in which the father is unknown, incapable, *criminal* or unwilling to help care for his progeny.
emanny3003Blocked
Feb 3, 2015, 8:40 PM

Keryn wrote:

I sincerely believe that, in cases where the father of the child is engaged, loving, willing and able to help the mother care for the child, there are *very few* cases of abortion (contrary to the wishes of the father) in those situations. The largest majority of abortions occur in situations in which the father is unknown, incapable, *criminal* or unwilling to help care for his progeny.

I would certainly hope this to be true but I have no statistics to show for it. In a sex education class I would stress staying away form sperm that come from criminals, incapable humans, and those that are unknown, if at all possible.
BradlyParticipant
Feb 3, 2015, 9:49 PM
Being respectful and having admiration for women comes honestly enough to me. I come from a line of farmers where everyone was an equal partner in the avoidance of starvation every year since Able was a pup. The barn and fields were patriarchal and the home and gardens were matriarchal and old ones took care of little ones (and vice versa) and everyone had a 16 hour day. Mine was the first generation born in a hospital and who had electricity and running water. I drove a team of horses in the fields. Poverty has been part of my entire life, including most of my adult life. And yet, cleanliness, love, laughter, and prayers of thanksgiving have attended me at every turn in my family. Farming requires the hearty cooperation and mutual dependence by every member of a family. Women were an integral part of the struggle and a constant source of warmth, wisdom, and affection.

The decadence of prosperity is a well known social malady well covered in the UB while the decadence of poverty is but an oxymoron…..suitable though, considering the source. Your constant personal attacks are offensive and take away from all potential here for adult conversation. Grannie always said, if you can’t something nice about someone, then say nothing at all. What a trial you present Louis to such good advice.

"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
MaraParticipant
Feb 3, 2015, 9:49 PM
The primitives learned how to terminate pregnancies. It is in my opinion unlikely such practice can be legislated away in the present era.

68:6:9   Many races learned the technique of abortion, and this practice became very common after the establishment of the taboo on childbirth among the unmarried. It was long the custom for a maiden to kill her offspring, but among more civilized groups these illegitimate children became the wards of the girl’s mother. Many primitive clans were virtually exterminated by the practice of both abortion and infanticide. But regardless of the dictates of the mores, very few children were ever destroyed after having once been suckled — maternal affection is too strong.

The size of the family is correlated with standard of living.

68:6:6   The size of the family has always been influenced by the standards of living. The higher the standard the smaller the family, up to the point of established status or gradual extinction.

Women may be somewhat less logical than men, but women are advantaged as regards intuition, moral standard-bearers and spiritual leadership.

84:6:4   Women seem to have more intuition than men, but they also appear to be somewhat less logical. Woman, however, has always been the moral standard-bearer and the spiritual leader of mankind. The hand that rocks the cradle still fraternizes with destiny.

Rodan was spot on when he analyzed the way to a glorified social structure based on family stability.

160:2:10   I repeat, such inspiring and ennobling association finds its ideal possibilities in the human marriage relation. True, much is attained out of marriage, and many, many marriages utterly fail to produce these moral and spiritual fruits. Too many times marriage is entered by those who seek other values which are lower than these superior accompaniments of human maturity. Ideal marriage must be founded on something more stable than the fluctuations of sentiment and the fickleness of mere sex attraction; it must be based on genuine and mutual personal devotion. And thus, if you can build up such trustworthy and effective small units of human association, when these are assembled in the aggregate, the world will behold a great and glorified social structure, the civilization of mortal maturity. Such a race might begin to realize something of your Master’s ideal of “peace on earth and good will among men.” While such a society would not be perfect or entirely free from evil, it would at least approach the stabilization of maturity.
KerynMember
Feb 3, 2015, 10:09 PM
emanny3003 wrote: In a sex education class I would stress staying away form sperm that come from criminals, incapable humans, and those that are unknown, if at all possible.

So, emanny, in a sex ed class you would teach young women to stay away from rapists and incestuous relatives. Great tip!
nelsongParticipant
Feb 3, 2015, 10:58 PM
in the “era to come” do you think that in regard to the eugenics of the era that abortion will be a useful tool? I hope not. If this era is an improvement women should not be getting raped or brutalized so that argument that makes abortion acceptable to some will no longer be there.

personal responsibility is so relegated to the state now days I wonder if we will ever take it back? (I did say take) Divine beings tend to be personally responsible. Isnt this our destiny ? Even for the era to come? I think an oppressive government in the land of liberty is proportional to loss of personal responsibility which is proportional to self indulgence.

if the family structure falls apart because so many are self indulging the era to come could be worse than the immediate post rebellion era.

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