I suppose it is possible the rebellion will be finally and completely adjudicated
now that should open some channels
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"The Book belongs to the era immediately to follow…."
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I suppose it is possible the rebellion will be finally and completely adjudicated now that should open some channels
The rebellion was over when Jesus said it was over. Adjudication is supposedly still pending.
There were many prodigal sons, but the eldest son who remained loyal from the start is not happy.
I think each “era”. . . .
They did say era, not epoch or age. So I looked it up. Era is a fixed point in time from which a series of years is reckoned; or a memorable or important date or event; esp. one that begins a new period in the history of a person or thing.
So now I am wondering when did the present era start?
- Mara wrote: So now I am wondering when did the present era start?
Reading through a few sections, I notice that era, epoch and age are seemingly used interchangeably. For instance, in Paper 50 Section 5 they list seven developmental epochs that mortal civilizations go through. The list includes epochs, eras and ages. I think we are probably just leaving the material-comfort era, #3. Exactly when it started and when it will end I can’t say because I’m sure that there is overlap as well as ebbs and flows between the seven epochs. But then again, I could be all wet on this one.
But then again, I could be all wet on this one.
No matter.
Test.
- Bonita wrote: The list includes epochs, eras and ages.I found a clue about the present:52:3:6 The result of the gift of the Adamic life plasm to the mortal races is an immediate upstepping of intellectual capacity and an acceleration of spiritual progress. There is usually some physical improvement also. On an average world the post-Adamic dispensation is an age of great invention, energy control, and mechanical development. This is the era of the appearance of multiform manufacture and the control of natural forces; it is the golden age of exploration and the final subduing of the planet. Much of the material progress of a world occurs during this time of the inauguration of the development of the physical sciences, just such an epoch as Urantia is now experiencing. Your world is a full dispensation and more behind the average planetary schedule.Maybe the development of the physical sciences is the era of which they speak? But scientific endeavors aren’t ever going to cease. Even when civilizations crash, these cosmic gifts remain: science, morality and religion. 16:9:4‘
I found a clue about the present:
Yeah, I mentioned that on the first page of this topic:
Two things to note:- We are currently experiencing the post-Adamic epoch of civilization. (52:3.6)
- Having gone through the struggle for existence, we are now experiencing the struggle for a standard of living. (81:6.28)
The current struggle of ideologies has to do with control of natural resources, the establishment of representative governments and determining what standard of living can be reasonably attained by the majority of people as well as the means by which to attain it. Of course, to arrive at the answers to these problems, morality, ethics and religion will naturally come into play.
Our current scientific endeavors are supposed to pull us through the material-comfort era. Once leisure (higher standard of living) is attained by most people on the planet, we can move to the next developmental “era/epoch/age”of , which I think would be #4, the quest for knowledge and wisdom. It actually says as much in the following quote:
81:6.28 At first life was a struggle for existence; now, for a standard of living; next it will be for quality of thinking, the coming earthly goal of human existence.
I think that wisdom, a quality of thinking, is what is most needed in the current age. By quality of thinking I mean that more people will become less enamored by erroneous thinking. Ridiculous ideas might actually start to disappear. What a relief that would be, huh? I wish it would happen today.
81.6.22 Science, guided by wisdom, may become man’s great social liberator.
I think that wisdom, a quality of thinking, is what is most needed in the current age. By quality of thinking I mean that more people will become less enamored by erroneous thinking. Ridiculous ideas might actually start to disappear. What a relief that would be, huh? I wish it would happen today.
The late great Michael Jackson said it best. It must “start with the (wo)man in mirror”.
(Wo) man
ya think MJ had a little difficulty with this and a mirror? :)
ya think MJ had a little difficulty with this and a mirror? :)
Not with a ten foot pole, nelsong. :)
1. We are currently experiencing the post-Adamic epoch of civilization. (52:3.6)
2. Having gone through the struggle for existence, we are now experiencing the struggle for a standard of living. (81:6.28)
It took 6 pages for me to discover it in my research.
Now we are in a postbestowal Son age, and this age could last 10,000 to 100,000 years!52:6:2 “While Jesus has shown the way to the immediate attainment of spiritual brotherhood, the realization of social brotherhood on your world depends much on the achievement of the following personal transformations and planetary adjustments:”
These personal transformations and planetary adjustments:
1. Social fraternity.
2. Intellectual cross-fertilization.
3. Ethical awakening.
4. Political wisdom.
5. Spiritual insight.The quality of thinking you mention sounds right to me. It’s also the quality of doing it – living it.
The era to come should have some eugenics packed into it don’t you think?
the book tells us we need to learn how to do it and as mentioned, no uplifting on the horizon.
The era to come should have some eugenics packed into it don’t you think?
You are correct, nelsong.
And it is happening right under our noses. Legal and safe abortions are weeding out the immoral among us by eliminating genes that tend toward immorality. Those that freely choose to abort their babies will naturally not perpetuate these genes.
Although I find abortion to be abhorrent, I have no problem with someones freewill choice. Increasing prenatal testing for defectives are expanding to include more and more genetic problems and will be available to all. And defectives will be aborted, by in large. All in the name of free choice and the proprietary nature of the physical body.
The conquering of vanity will decrease destructive diets that deprive developing brains of essential nutrients. The low fat diets of the past 30 years has seen an alarming rise in autism spectrums. Brains are essentially fats. And scientists, too often, have manure for brains and don’t even see this diet fad as a potential cause of this disorder. Notice that many autism cases are born to the thin, weight conscious moms. Are you listening Jenny McCarthy. Then they blame vaccinations to appease their guilty conscience. EAT YOUR BUTTER, EGGS and CHEESE. Whole milk, not that low fat processed crap.
Gene therapy will not help as much, IMO. This will extend life and reduce disease but will not uplift the gene pool. Once the genes are modified for an individual, these modified genes are in somatic genes and cannot be perpetuated to the next generation and because meiosis shuffles the genes in germ cells in the reproductive process.
The quality of thinking you mention sounds right to me. It’s also the quality of doing it – living it.
Well . . . I do think that we are still struggling to find a standard of living for everyone. That being said, those of us who have attained a reasonable standard of living have the responsibility to work towards the next step, quality of thinking – knowledge and wisdom.
81:6.28 At first life was a struggle for existence; now, for a standard of living; next it will be for quality of thinking, the coming earthly goal of human existence.
This thread is about society, civilization, culture. Doesn’t quality of thinking elevate culture? Forward looking individuals who have a good standard of living and the resulting leisure time owe it to society to thirst for knowledge and wisdom in order to elevate the culture of this planet. And to your point about living out a higher quality of thinking, I think that can happen if we learn to value family life and place emphasis on education – teaching our children not only how to think quality thoughts, but how to live them out.
50:5.7 4. The quest for knowledge and wisdom. Food, security, pleasure, and leisure provide the foundation for the development of culture and the spread of knowledge. The effort to execute knowledge results in wisdom, and when a culture has learned how to profit and improve by experience, civilization has really arrived. Food, security, and material comfort still dominate society, but many forward-looking individuals are hungering for knowledge and thirsting for wisdom. Every child is provided an opportunity to learn by doing; education is the watchword of these ages.
Legal and safe abortions happen so easily and without much restraint it is scary.
i suppose an abundance of willing doctors given license by government have removed any morality from the entire event.
Maybe if mom or dad had to play An active roll in the abortive procedure things would change. More thought and reflection would happen. Why should the doctor be the one who kills the featus? Let’s make mom or dad be the killers.
The era to come should have some eugenics packed into it don’t you think?
Nelson, eugenics is useless unless those practicing it have reached a high level of quality thinking. What good will eugenics do without the wisdom necessary to use it to the benefit of the cosmos? I think low quality thinking regarding eugenics was clearly put on display in the last century.
It is always contentious when discussing an issue like abortion, particularly when there are so many males who love to hear themselves talk about an issue for which they will NEVER have to face, personally. So often in these debates, the very real and very common cases of young girls being impregnated against their will/ without their knowledge by their fathers, brothers, cousins, or strangers is rarely mentioned. Also, the (thankfully!) rare but intense situations in which a woman’s health is at risk from carrying a pregnancy to term.
There are positive ways to move toward beneficial eugenics that can be accomplished today as a result of medical advancements, genetic engineering, and reasonable birth control policies.
It is my firm belief that every child brought into this world should begin life within the structure of a family and should know, without doubt, that he or she was willingly conceived by individuals who fully desired to bring such a life into the world. Of course this is the ideal, and we do not live in an ideal world right now. But . . . and this is a big but . . . some people on this planet are ready to live ideal lives in order to transform it into an ideal world. Our hope lies with those people.
It is always contentious when discussing an issue like abortion, particularly when there are so many males who love to hear themselves talk about an issue for which they will NEVER have to face, personally.
It is my firm belief that every child brought into this world should begin life within the structure of a family and should know, without doubt, that he or she was willingly conceived by individuals who fully desired to bring such a life into the world.
Well said…by both. And, I think, very pertinent to the topic at hand. I am certain that no epochal or era related transition will be truly possible or fruitful UNTIL women are universally equal to men under the law, by institutional religion, and by social norms….still generations away. We’ve barely begun in the West to even move toward equal protection under the legal code and still have so much more to accomplish. But around the world? Even more to do. Until the Jesusonian attitude toward women is achieved more universally, the world suffers by the imbalances caused within family, community, church, commerce, and leadership by inequities and inequalities enforced by a male dominated world. It’s so obvious. Foundational to further progress IMO.
(1839.1) 167:5.4 The Pharisees had even gone so far as to teach that divorce of this easy variety was a special dispensation granted the Jewish people, particularly the Pharisees. And so, while Jesus refused to make pronouncements dealing with marriage and divorce, he did most bitterly denounce these shameful floutings of the marriage relationship and pointed out their injustice to women and children. He never sanctioned any divorce practice which gave man any advantage over woman; the Master countenanced only those teachings which accorded women equality with men.
(1839.5) 167:5.8 And in this way Jesus relieved the minds of the apostles of many worries about marriage and cleared up many misunderstandings regarding divorce; at the same time he did much to exalt their ideals of social union and to augment their respect for women and children and for the home.
Me here: a “to do” list for the era immediately to follow…..
8. The Character of Statehood
(807.6) 71:8.10 8. The due recognition of sex equality and the co-ordinated functioning of men and women in the home, school, and church, with specialized service of women in industry and government.
(807.7) 71:8.11 9. The elimination of toiling slavery by machine invention and the subsequent mastery of the machine age.
(807.8) 71:8.12 10. The conquest of dialects — the triumph of a universal language.
(807.9) 71:8.13 11. The ending of war — international adjudication of national and racial differences by continental courts of nations presided over by a supreme planetary tribunal automatically recruited from the periodically retiring heads of the continental courts. The continental courts are authoritative; the world court is advisory — moral.
(807.10) 71:8.14 12. The world-wide vogue of the pursuit of wisdom — the exaltation of philosophy. The evolution of a world religion, which will presage the entrance of the planet upon the earlier phases of settlement in light and life.
(807.11) 71:8.15 These are the prerequisites of progressive government and the earmarks of ideal statehood. Urantia is far from the realization of these exalted ideals, but the civilized races have made a beginning — mankind is on the march toward higher evolutionary destinies.
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
