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"The Book belongs to the era immediately to follow…."

242 posts · 12 participants · started Jan 20, 2015, 5:30 PM

  1. I agree with the “blindness”….many are quite distracted by materialism or blinded by anxiety and fear.  Thanks Louis.

    I am confused though about …. “there is war in heaven.”  Perhaps you mean you think that in all the locals, there is always a rebellion going on somewhere?  Our local one is over I think, although there are still repurcussions to work through I would agree.

    :-)

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  2. I am confused though about …. “there is war in heaven.”  Perhaps you mean you think that in all the locals, there is always a rebellion going on somewhere?  Our local one is over I think, although there are still repurcussions to work through I would agree.

    Bradly, the war on Earth is fought with guns and ammo. The war in Heaven is the battles of wills. Jesus technically terminated the Lucifer rebellion. The battle is over but the war rages on between the freewill persons of imperfect creations up and until the perfection of the self governed Central Universe is achieved in the Superuniverses.

    There will be wars and rumors of wars. A trial is pending. There will be a loser and a winner. The repercussions of the verdict will be for the judged. If the prosecution engaged in judgement then he will be judged justly, regardless of the verdict handed down upon the defendants. Michael has his hands full herding cats.

    4:3.1 All too long has man thought of God as one like himself. God is not, never was, and never will be jealous of man or ‘any other being’ in the universe of universes. Knowing that the Creator Son intended man to be the masterpiece of the planetary creation, to be the ruler of all the earth, the sight of his being dominated by his own baser passions, the spectacle of his bowing down before idols of wood, stone, gold, and ‘selfish ambition’—these sordid scenes stir God and his Sons to be jealous for man, but never of him.

    Notice the reference to ‘any other being in the universe of universes’. Notice that although idols of wood, stone, and gold are of human concerns, selfish ambition is an idol that applies to ALL freewill beings in the universe.

  3. 4:3.1 All too long has man thought of God as one like himself. God is not, never was, and never will be jealous of man or ‘any other being’ in the universe of universes. Knowing that the Creator Son intended man to be the masterpiece of the planetary creation, to be the ruler of all the earth, the sight of his being dominated by his own baser passions, the spectacle of his bowing down before idols of wood, stone, gold, and ‘selfish ambition’—these sordid scenes stir God and his Sons to be jealous for man, but never of him.

    In order to shed more light on the idolatry of SELFISH AMBITION I will point to another quote.

    54:2.3 Lucifer’s folly was the attempt to do the nondoable, to short-circuit time in an experiential universe. Lucifer’s crime was the attempted creative disenfranchisement of every personality in Satania, the unrecognized abridgment of the creature’s personal participation—freewill participation—in the long evolutionary struggle to attain the status of light and life both individually and collectively. In so doing, this onetime Sovereign of your system set the temporal purpose of his own will directly athwart the eternal purpose of God’s will as it is revealed in the bestowal of free will upon all personal creatures. The Lucifer rebellion thus threatened the maximum possible infringement of the freewill choice of the ascenders and servers of the system of Satania—a threat forevermore to deprive every one of these beings of the thrilling experience of contributing something personal and unique to the slowly erecting monument to experiential wisdom which will sometime exist as the perfected system of Satania. Thus does the Lucifer manifesto, masquerading in the habiliments of liberty, stand forth in the clear light of reason as a monumental threat to consummate the theft of personal liberty and to do it on a scale that has been approached only twice in all the history of Nebadon.

    Whenever I see or hear the word, “DISENFRANCHISEMENT”, my ears go up. This is a favorite word of the “self ambitious” to hurl at their political enemy in a purely hypocritical way. This idolatry and hypocrisy leads directly to judgement. This self ambitious agenda inevitably leads to “They are the bad people that would do this to you”. This is pure politics.

    Politics requires propaganda. The leaking of certain information is agenda driven. Politics requires at least two sides. It is always a matter of power and control, and on Earth, money as well.

    Freewill creatures have a tendency to be self absorbed cats, not lap dogs. Some breeds of dogs are natural herders. Cats resist being herded.

    As above , so below.

  4. I am confused though about …. “there is war in heaven.”  Perhaps you mean you think that in all the locals, there is always a rebellion going on somewhere?  Our local one is over I think, although there are still repurcussions to work through I would agree.

    4:3.5 The Universal Father never does anything that causes subsequent sorrow or regret, but the will creatures of the planning and making of his Creator personalities in the outlying universes, by their unfortunate choosing, sometimes occasion emotions of divine sorrow in the personalities of their Creator parents. But though the Father neither makes mistakes, harbors regrets, nor experiences sorrows, he is a being with a father’s affection, and his heart is undoubtedly grieved when his children fail to attain the spiritual levels they are capable of reaching with the assistance which has been so freely provided by the spiritual-attainment plans and the mortal-ascension policies of the universes.

    The Master said, “I have not come to bring peace , but a sword”. A sword divides the good from the evil. A sword slices through the confusion, the fog of war.

    There is a war on Earth as it is in Heaven. The idolatry of selfish ambition is a war within, between our will and God’s will. The war without is a war between our will and our brother’s will. Ambition is always blind and blinding. The fog is a heavy and thick when the spiritual levels are not attained on Earth nor in Heaven. The fog will lift when the light burns bright with the Fathers’s will, on Earth and in Heaven. His will be done.

    A trial is an unfortunate state of affairs. It means that forgiveness was not offered or not accepted. Between God and creature forgiveness is a standing offer and unconditional. Between brothers forgiveness is conditional.

    The war above and below is within and without. God’s will is that there be no more wars or rumors of wars.

  5. If it is so, as it says in 52:3.6, then the era that immediately follows our current would be one which stands on the eve of great intellectual development (52:4.1).  It is clear that the UB was written for the higher intellect; I think we can all agree that it is not an easy read.  In the next era there will be more leisure time for study.  Have you ever wondered why there are so many pensioners on the forums and in the study groups? These are intellectual people with plenty of leisure time, a foretaste of what everyone will have in the future, (at least ideally, since we know we are not an ideal world).  Free time, free minds, along with the budding of self-government is like a dream come true.  I think there are a few who already experience this today and some of them have also discovered the UB, oddly enough, preparing the way for the coming generations.  I think there is always a certain amount of overlap between the epochs.

  6. It is clear that the UB was written for the higher intellect; I think we can all agree that it is not an easy read

    Are you suggesting that TUB is written for the one percenters? If find a lot of 99 percenters that do not work and have plenty of time on their hands. Then there must be intellect and leisure and will. The leisure will come from technology and energy breakthroughs. Will is personal, but how are we going to elevate the collective IQ?

  7. The first paragraph of the Publication Mandate:

    “We regard The Urantia Book as a feature of the progressive evolution of human society. It is not germane to the spectacular episodes of epochal revolution, even though it may apparently be timed to appear in the wake of one such revolution in human society. The book belongs to the era immediately to follow the conclusion of the present ideological struggle. That will be the day when men will be willing to seek truth and righteousness. When the chaos of the present confusion has passed, it will be more readily possible to formulate the cosmos of a new and improved era of human relationships. And it is for this better order of affairs on earth that the book has been made ready.”

    Epoch or era or age?  50:5:8  They use all three in this reference.

    .”The epoch of philosophy and brotherhood. When mortals learn to think and begin to profit by experience, they become philosophical — they start out to reason within themselves and to exercise discriminative judgment. The society of this age becomes ethical, and the mortals of such an era are truly becoming moral beings. Wise moral beings are capable of establishing human brotherhood on such a progressing world. Ethical and moral beings can learn how to live in accordance with the golden rule.”

    Seems like the more golden-rulers the better.  That would indicat a better era is approaching.

    The golden rule precedes the bestowal of our Creator Son. Last week in study group we were impressed to read of Ganid’s abstract of the various world religions put together while he visited Alexandria.  131:0:1  They all contain the teaching what you do not want done to yourself, do not do to others.  Of course Jesus re-framed this negative do-not teaching to its positive.

     

  8. Mara wrote:  “We regard The Urantia Book as a feature of the progressive evolution of human society. It is not germane to the spectacular episodes of epochal revolution . . .

    What are episodes of epochal revolution????

  9. Bonita wrote:What are episodes of epochal revolution????
    The big wars of the 20th Century.  The current problems of religio-political extremism in the 21th Century – a different kind of big war.
    Dalamatia at the time of the rebellion is a first example of epochal revolution.
    67:5:1   Great confusion reigned in Dalamatia and thereabout for almost fifty years after the instigation of rebellion. The complete and radical reorganization of the whole world was attempted; revolution displaced evolution as the policy of cultural advancement and racial improvement. Among the superior and partially trained sojourners in and near Dalamatia there appeared a sudden advancement in cultural status, but when these new and radical methods were attempted on the outlying peoples, indescribable confusion and racial pandemonium was the immediate result. Liberty was quickly translated into license by the half-evolved primitive men of those days.
  10. Conclusion: The concept of liberty should not be exposed to half-evolved primitive men of any day/era for fear of the inevitable epochical revolution?

     

  11. Mara wrote:  The big wars of the 20th Century.  The current problems of religio-political extremism in the 21th Century – a different kind of big war.

    So just what type of revolution occurred with the two world wars? (And incidentally, I think the current crisis with terroristic extremists is yet another world war.)  What is it that was revolted against that made them epochal?  And, can we claim any success? I’m not challenging you, in case you’re thinking that.  I just think it’s a worthwhile discussion.

  12. Personally, if it were possible I would like to ask the WW ll vets that never came home, in hind sight – if they think their efforts were worth it. sorry to drift a bit here but cant help it.

  13. nelsong wrote: Personally, if it were possible I would like to ask the WW ll vets that never came home, in hind sight – if they think their efforts were worth it.

    The ones I know thought it was.  They’re all passed on now, of course.  No one wanted to see racial genocide and no one wanted the U.S. to become part of the German Reich or the Japanese Empire.  For one person to have supreme control over others is something that should only belong to Deity; and they don’t even go there, giving absolute sovereignty to free will.

  14. America understood that during that era

    americans are not like that today

  15. americans are not like that today

    Oh I most wholeheartedly disagree.  Remember post 9-11?  Americans come together when their sovereignty is threatened.  Those who think otherwise today are generally the mollycoddled youth and elitist intellectuals who think they are above it all.  I can assure you that if there was any danger of the U.S. becoming part of the Ummah, very few would just sit back and allow it to happen.

  16. Bonita wrote:  What is it that was revolted against that made them epochal?
    I think it is a matter of scale – the attempt to influence the world to side with a revolutionary viewpoint/s in total disregard for the slow moving course of planetary evolution.

    Conclusion: The concept of liberty should not be exposed to half-evolved primitive men of any day/era for fear of the inevitable epochical revolution?

    I wouldn’t draw that conclusion.  Personhood and free will are gifts to each and every one of us.  But people who try to hurry things up or those who try to hijack the evolutionary process are not going to succeed – in my opinion.  Our history is strewn with failed attempts – large scale and small scale.  But the seventh adjutant mind-spirit, the spirit of wisdom, is undiminished and ever-present (and unrecognized) on our world today.  36:5:12
    And then the Spirit of Truth is meant to lessen self-assertiveness – a cause of wars.
    194:3:18   Pentecost was designed to lessen the self-assertiveness of individuals, groups, nations, and races. It is this spirit of self-assertiveness which so increases in tension that it periodically breaks loose in destructive wars. Mankind can be unified only by the spiritual approach, and the Spirit of Truth is a world influence which is universal.
  17. :-) As a veteran I can assure you that I would take a stand to defend – I have the scars to prove it

    but our borders are open and friend and foe alike are migrating here constantly without restraint.

    an honest Paris resident (where this is happening) that has been around for long enough may admit that occupation by Germany is preferable to occupation by islam – I hope Americans are stronger than that but I wonder.

    look at my home country Sweden – it is no longer Swedish. Liberalized, slow to arousal kind hearted Swedes just let go too long and discovered their rich heritage has been taken away.

    Same degeneration happening here.

    In an amaginary retrospective way I would prefer to speak German to Islamic. But I’ll perish before having to make a choice like that

  18. nelsong,

    My heartfelt thanks you for your service to our/your country!! And for all Vets past and present who go out and take a stand to defend.

  19. Mara wrote:  I think it is a matter of scale – the attempt to influence the world to side with a revolutionary viewpoint/s in total disregard for the slow moving course of planetary evolution.

    I was thinking more on what is suggested in Paper 134 concerning the Master’s teaching on political sovereignty which the author restates in order to apply to the, ” . . . peculiarly critical stage of the evolution of political sovereignty in the twentieth century after Christ.” (134:5.1)

     

  20. Mara, what compelled you to start this thread. It is as if it were a tee off for me to say the following.

    We have been living in the era of the ‘prodigal son’ and the son returned when the rebellion ended upon Michael’s last bestowal here on Urantia.

    The era to follow is the the story of the eldest son. This is the story of what becomes of the eldest son who cannot understand the feast for the erring and sinful younger brother. The father pleads with him to join the celebration for the brother that was once lost and now has returned and repented. The parable leaves this story as a cliffhanger.

    What will Gabriel do and how far will he go in Gabriel vs Lucifer? The Urantia Book begins this new era as this is the planet that is the focal point of a Universe’s destiny. This planet is a shrine to the meaning of the prodigal son and a Fathers Love.

    Addendum: “Father, forgive them (Gabriel et al) for they know not what they are doing (Gabriel vs Lucifer).”

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