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"The Book belongs to the era immediately to follow…."

242 posts · 12 participants · started Jan 20, 2015, 5:30 PM

  1. “The Book belongs to the era immediately to follow the conclusion of the present ideological struggle.”

    An article called “History of The Publication Mandate: The Timing of The Urantia Book: Introduction to the Publication Mandate” by Carolyn Bowman Kendall was published in the UAI Journal Vol 21, No 4 December 2014.

    https://urassoc.arko.nyc/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Journal_Vol-21_No-4_en.pdf

    So my question is: What is the present ideological struggle all about? Do you think they are talking about an ideological struggle in terms of religion, or something else?  By my way of thinking we’re not ever going to have uniformity of viewpoint.  We can aim for unity of ideals, goals and purposes 99:5:7, relative to the era just ahead of us when the present ideological struggle comes to an end.

    https://urassoc.arko.nyc/the-publication-mandate/

     

     

  2. I think that ideology is the struggle.

    once the real gospel of Jesus is accepted the strugle will focus on more productive stuff

    the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man is more than ideology it’s more like the goal of all ideologies achieved imho

     

     

     

     

  3. The word ideology refers to economic and political thought, not religion.

  4. I take “ideological struggle” to mean war. An economic war. I think that it is the haves vs the have nots. Jesus offered a prediction when we stated, “the poor will always be with us…”

  5. Half of the globe’s wealth is in the hands of only ONE PERCENT OF THE POPULATION! Something is fundamentally wrong with that picture.

     

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jan/19/global-wealth-oxfam-inequality-davos-economic-summit-switzerland

    BB

  6. Two things to note:

    1. We are currently experiencing the post-Adamic epoch of civilization. (52:3.6)
    2. Having gone through the struggle for existence, we are now experiencing the struggle for a standard of living. (81:6.28)

    The current struggle of ideologies has to do with control of natural resources, the establishment of representative governments and determining what standard of living can be reasonably attained by the majority of people as well as the means by which to attain it.  Of course, to arrive at the answers to these problems, morality, ethics and religion will naturally come into play.

  7. Half of the globe’s wealth is in the hands of only ONE PERCENT OF THE POPULATION! Something is fundamentally wrong with that picture.

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jan/19/global-wealth-oxfam-inequality-davos-economic-summit-switzerland

    Money and wealth are not everything and to God they are nothing. You can say that there is strength in numbers. All 100% are equal in standing, spiritually.

  8. So my question is: What is the present ideological struggle all about? Do you think they are talking about an ideological struggle in terms of religion, or something else?  By my way of thinking we’re not ever going to have uniformity of viewpoint.  We can aim for unity of ideals, goals and purposes 99:5:7, relative to the era just ahead of us when the present ideological struggle comes to an end.

     

    Interesting topic.  According to the Paper on Mortal Epochs, Urantia may be the most convoluted planet ever ministered to by those in charge of planetary progress.  While we are post-Adamic, per Bonita’s post above, there are different parts of the world in multiple planetary epochal stages I think.  We should be “early” in the Material Son and Daughter epoch with only 35,000 years of their much longer ministry but we were deprived of their continuation here – so no Prince or Adam & Eve or any on-planet celestial presence in-person – imagine even with no Prince but tens of thousands of years of Garden influence and effect on our progress.

    So we have no Son on-planet but we do have the Spirit of Truth by Michael’s brief sojourn here and departing gift of ministry.  So we have all spirit circuits engaged and activated.  I think this decimal world is more “decimal” than ever or most by this unintended and abnormal circumstance and situation.

    The UB says we have passed the worst of materialism which I can accept but do not truly understand given what’s happened since its writing and even since its publishing.  I think the impact of the Spirit of Truth has some momentum and potential critical mass that we cannot see or understand…but it is more than human driven social progress and it is like an infection in a way that brings love into a force for change.  In the Mortal Epochs we read that from profit motive/capitalism rises a growing generalized philanthropy which eventuates into a service motivated economy which will come to supplant the more greed and material focused profit era which precedes it and which we seem obviously still deeply entrenched or mired in now.

    Like slavery is a progressive improvement to cannibalism, profit/capital is improvement over royalty and serfdom economic structures which is pretty much a zero-sum economic system.  Skilled trades and commerce/trade gave birth to democratized wealth creation that has barely had 200 years or so and yet has transformed the planet.  Capitalists want access to resources and markets to create more opportunities for the capital at risk potential rewards (increased profits) and they have over the past century realized the barriers and obstacles to expansion – globalization of money, markets, travel, and trade.  Capitalist greed has served to break down barriers that politics never did or possibly could.  Fascinatingly, the apex of this transition coincided with instant and universal global communications and access to the entire contents of human knowledge (and stupid amusement to be sure – haha!).

    Two other interesting developments:  first is the profound change in the very nature of philanthropy – it too is democratizing with more and more individuals from all economic classes giving more and more money and time and skill to more and more NON-profit groups, organized to assist humanity in multiple ways (not all are worthy and some are pure scams but nonetheless…..the gift maker has no profit or self interest expectations).  Philanthropy used to be only by the uber-wealthy and churches – not anymore.  Second is the joint efforts of both NGOs (non-government organizations) and  multiple governments in coordinated disaster relief responses – even military assets are being thusly deployed.  I think this is a response to the Spirit of Truth ministry – less “self” interest and more “other than self” interests being demonstrated.

    I think we watch history….world changing and planetary progress transitions that are fundamental to epochal transformation.  I agree there may well still be wars to come but I would say that mass destruction has less and less favor and champions (despite the profits of war) because national self interest is better served by globalization and free trade and the flow of capital around the world.  I do not see any sudden transformation into light and life to be sure.  But when one measures what has happened since the Dark Ages and then the printing press and the scientific method and carbon fuels and industrialization and digitization and communication and free markets (without blue bloods and colonization) – I simply cannot understand the doom and gloom and end of the worlders.  History is painting us a picture of epochal progress and transformation…..which, as WE know, is an inevitability and absolute certainty on every inhabited world in time and space.  It isn’t pretty to watch and it will remain ugly and unpredictable for a long while still.

    But I am most confident in those who rule this world and optimistic about these “signs” of the changing times and world I live in today.

    Thanks Mara.

    :good:

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  9. Two other interesting developments:  first is the profound change in the very nature of philanthropy – it too is democratizing with more and more individuals from all economic classes giving more and more money and time and skill to more and more NON-profit groups, organized to assist humanity in multiple ways (not all are worthy and some are pure scams but nonetheless…..the gift maker has no profit or self interest expectations).  Philanthropy used to be only by the uber-wealthy and churches – not anymore.  Second is the joint efforts of both NGOs (non-government organizations) and  multiple governments in coordinated disaster relief responses – even military assets are being thusly deployed.  I think this is a response to the Spirit of Truth ministry – less “self” interest and more “other than self” interests being demonstrated.

    I am more questioning as you know. IMO, The Spirit of Truth minsters to the individual. Group efforts have nothing to do with morality or ethics. All group efforts have an agenda and it always involves money and influence. Self interest is very much at work here, unfortunately.

  10. Capitalist = greed is simply not true. This is a rally cry for the populist as well as those addicted to the welfare state.

    Its an expression of satisfaction with mediocrity.

    Individuals are greedy and this same greed permeates all groups, races, orginizations, countries political groups.

    to pin greed on the capitalist is naive imho

  11. Capitalist = greed is simply not true. This is a rally cry for the populist as well as those addicted to the welfare state.

    What is wrong with capitalism? As long as the greatest want is for more faith in God. It is all about priorities. Render unto Cesar what is Cesar’s, but first and foremost render unto God what is God’s.

    Keep them separate and in the correct order. It is the love of money that is a disaster not the want of money.

  12. emanny3003 wrote:  The Spirit of Truth minsters to the individual.
    Actually, that’s not completely true.  The Spirit of Truth has to do with the living relationship of all things and all beings (56:10.13).  The Spirit of Truth directs the loving contact of one human being with another (180:5.11). Plus, Jesus clearly said that he is present whenever two or three believers are gathered together.
    159:1.3 And all this is ever true, for, where two or three believers are gathered together, there am I in the midst of them.
  13. Actually, that’s not completely true.  The Spirit of Truth has to do with the living relationship of all things and all beings (56:10.13).  The Spirit of Truth directs the loving contact of one human being with another (180:5.11). Plus, Jesus clearly said that he is present whenever two or three believers are gathered together.

    159:1.3 And all this is ever true, for, where two or three believers are gathered together, there am I in the midst of them.

    Very good point Bonita.

    This is because The Holy Trinity functions in the same way. The Father functions with the Son, or the Father functions with the Spirit, or The Father functions with the Son and Spirit.

    Three personalities functioning as one.

    Bradly asserted that The Spirit of Truth functions in organizations such as the military and NGOs and non-profits and this is not true.

  14. Fact is capitalism has brought wealth and prosperity and opportunity to millions regardless of the presence of some who are greedy.

    im more worried about other isms like Zionism that has a track record of death and destruction the world over and has bread other destructive isms like Marxism communism liberalism

    when we examine closely those who are the wealthiest and greediest and most destructive we find them to be zionists not capitalists

  15. Bradly asserted that The Spirit of Truth functions in organizations such as the military and NGOs and non-profits and this is not true.

    I have to agree with Bradly.  Wherever two or three believers are gathered, the Spirit of Truth is present.  It doesn’t matter where the two are three are gathered together either.  And it could be 20 or 20 believers or 200 or 300 believers.  All that is necessary is for these people to attempt to have loving contact with one another or to follow the golden rule.  There are plenty of people in civil organizations attempting to do just that, although I’m not sure about the IRS . . .  said tongue in cheek.

  16. when we examine closely those who are the wealthiest and greediest and most destructive we find them to be zionists not capitalists

    I think you mean zealots, not zionists.  Zionists are Jews who stand for the establishment of an independent Jewish state, i.e. Israel.

     

  17. Bradly asserted that The Spirit of Truth functions in organizations such as the military and NGOs and non-profits and this is not true.

    I think this is a response to the Spirit of Truth ministry – less “self” interest and more “other than self” interests being demonstrated.

     

    Whatever changes a society is the result of changes to the individuals within that society….society is an aggregational effect and governments, corporations, and NGOs are groups of persons.  And the point is that more and more individuals are aggregating their private, group, and public resources for that which does not serve them personally….and do so in response to internal and personalized spiritization – “response to the Spirit of Truth ministry”.   A personal response which often IS then or can become collectively responsive and cooperative with the angels of religion, progress, etc.  Our world is under the active management of many agents of change and progress that are certainly not mortal or guided by a mortal agenda or our shortcomings.  But they must and do work within each status quo to effect such progress.

    (1950.3) 180:5.8 But the highest realization and the truest interpretation of the golden rule consists in the consciousness of the spirit of the truth of the enduring and living reality of such a divine declaration. The true cosmic meaning of this rule of universal relationship is revealed only in its spiritual realization, in the interpretation of the law of conduct by the spirit of the Son to the spirit of the Father that indwells the soul of mortal man. And when such spirit-led mortals realize the true meaning of this golden rule, they are filled to overflowing with the assurance of citizenship in a friendly universe, and their ideals of spirit reality are satisfied only when they love their fellows as Jesus loved us all, and that is the reality of the realization of the love of God.

    (1950.4) 180:5.9 This same philosophy of the living flexibility and cosmic adaptability of divine truth to the individual requirements and capacity of every son of God, must be perceived before you can hope adequately to understand the Master’s teaching and practice of nonresistance to evil. The Master’s teaching is basically a spiritual pronouncement. Even the material implications of his philosophy cannot be helpfully considered apart from their spiritual correlations. The spirit of the Master’s injunction consists in the nonresistance of all selfish reaction to the universe, coupled with the aggressive and progressive attainment of righteous levels of true spirit values: divine beauty, infinite goodness, and eternal truth — to know God and to become increasingly like him.

    (1950.5) 180:5.10 Love, unselfishness, must undergo a constant and living readaptative interpretation of relationships in accordance with the leading of the Spirit of Truth. Love must thereby grasp the ever-changing and enlarging concepts of the highest cosmic good of the individual who is loved. And then love goes on to strike this same attitude concerning all other individuals who could possibly be influenced by the growing and living relationship of one spirit-led mortal’s love for other citizens of the universe. And this entire living adaptation of love must be effected in the light of both the environment of present evil and the eternal goal of the perfection of divine destiny.

    Capitalists want access to resources and markets to create more opportunities for the capital at risk potential rewards (increased profits) and they have over the past century realized the barriers and obstacles to expansion – globalization of money, markets, travel, and trade.  Capitalist greed has served to break down barriers that politics never did or possibly could.  Fascinatingly, the apex of this transition coincided with instant and universal global communications and access to the entire contents of human knowledge (and stupid amusement to be sure – haha!).

    Capitalist = greed is simply not true. This is a rally cry for the populist as well as those addicted to the welfare state.

     

    I agree Nelson and should have said “capitalist appetite for profit” as more accurate.  Money/capital is not moral or immoral and it has no characteristics except as a method of exchange.  However, capitalism is investing capital into risk for potential reward – profit – or  it stays under the mattress.  No potential for reward means no capital is deployed.  It is the one making and choosing the investment that determines morality and motive for the deployment of capital.  As nelson suggests, it is this risk/reward opportunity that has delivered up wealth creation and distribution by its need for both labor and customer which moves money through a growing network of investors and owners of commercial enterprise and the responding growing labor pool at the same time.

    Wealth creation in the modern world is not a result of hoarding gold or salt or grain or capital….it is its deployment that does that.  And that deployment seeks profit or a return on the risk taken with capital.  It’s a wonderfully effective incentive.  And it is now breaking down nationalist and cultural/language barriers that religion and politics/governments have not successfully penetrated without capital seeking opportunity for profit.  And more and more, labor is becoming another source for capital investment and for non-profit deployment both. And such democratization of capital results in more and more people self determining priorities for their capital and income.

    But, we are taught, it is only a progressive step toward a service economy – service to others becoming the driving motivation for economic policy and practice.  My point was to give evidence that suggests this transformation is underway, albeit only in its infancy.  And that this transformation will be the result of personal changes in response to, perhaps as one factor, the ministry of the Spirit of Truth.

    Sorry for my clumsy word choices.  I’m a big fan of capitalism/profit for its power to change the world.  But I’m far more interested in how this system of economy and economic relationships is connecting us all into an integrated cooperative of personal expression and mutual dependence.  While there is plenty of money for war still, the cost/benefit factors are changing before our eyes as war becomes too expensive to wage compared to diplomacy and cooperation for mutual benefit.  Thanks everyone.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  18. I have to agree with Bradly.  Wherever two or three believers are gathered, the Spirit of Truth is present.  It doesn’t matter where the two are three are gathered together either.  And it could be 20 or 20 believers or 200 or 300 believers.  All that is necessary is for these people to attempt to have loving contact with one another or to follow the golden rule.  There are plenty of people in civil organizations attempting to do just that, although I’m not sure about the IRS . . .  said tongue in cheek.

    I see your point Bonita. However, those religious organizations that go to Africa were not the ones that came immediately to mind when Bradly mentioned NGOs and non-profits. I must confess that I do feel the spirit very much more strongly while in church.

    I doubt that The Sierra club, NOW, or any civil organizations share the Spirit. These examples and countless others have banned God, and government organizations that even mention God or Jesus will get slapped with lawsuit from the ACLU. All creeds will be changed to “In Money We Trust” or “In Power We Trust”.

  19. (191.6) 16:6.3 The fact of the cosmic mind explains the kinship of various types of human and superhuman minds. Not only are kindred spirits attracted to each other, but kindred minds are also very fraternal and inclined towards co-operation the one with the other. Human minds are sometimes observed to be running in channels of astonishing similarity and inexplicable agreement.

     

    I did not claim nor mean to suggest that all or most nonprofit organizations are themselves a function or reflection of the spiritization of our world – but, rather, that the nature of philanthropy is changing by the working and tax paying class and that ANY donations of hard earned income and capital that is NOT self serving is an indication of transitional priorities and motives that indicate the early stages of the maturing of capitalism/profit motive to a higher form of economic model that is the norm for all worlds in mortal epochal progress.  Who is worthy of my donations is not the subject – it is the fact of and source of free will donations that is the point of my posts – related to the original subject – “the era immediately to follow…..” – my assertion is there are signs of such in this example of the changing nature of capitalism.

    I said before that money stays under the mattress until beckoned out to seek reward for risk (or buy something or help out a known loved one) and this has been the case for the history of capital formation – profit seeking.  But now, people are giving money, time, and talent to “causes” that do not offer any personal return of, for, or on capital.  It is new and increasing and is getting results that inspire more and more of this new application of private and public capital.  Who may be worthy or unworthy as either giver or receiver is irrelevant to the premise of the change in not for profit capitalism – service-to others based economics is being born.  I think it demonstrates progress by the Most Highs, our unseen friends, and the Spirit of Truth, and, perhaps even, the Supreme’s growing influence (?).

    And according to text, we are not entering the material age but that the worst of it is over….for those with the eye to see and ear to hear and the faith that we are well loved and managed in our inherent epochal progress and inevitable destination of Light and Life.  I am most optimistic and confident for our world’s future.  Sufficient unto this day is the trouble therein.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  20. Yes Bradly, I share your optimism. We are in transition because there is a war on Earth and there is a war in Heaven. There is a fog of war that blinds us to the spiritual progress at hand, but it is there, I agree.

    81:5.7 Liberty subject to group regulation is the legitimate goal of social evolution. Liberty without restrictions is the vain and fanciful dream of unstable and flighty human minds.

    As far as ‘controlling others’, an Archangel sanctioned by Gabriel of Salvington wrote this. The war on Earth is concerning this very debate. The war on Heaven is concerning this very debate. Just remove the word “human” from the quote above.

    Notice that control is “legitimized”. Lets us await The Trial.

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