Let me begin this continuation of topical examination with a clear shout out to Cole, Mark606, Paul, and Carl who have each and all agreed with Cole’s proposition of a low mortal/tadpole survival rate, not only from Urantia but also the System, and perhaps universally depending on rebellion effects and/or the mortal epoch stage or planetary maturity of the material worlds (this latter point is not clear and I don’t wish to put words into other’s mouths)….but it seems clear that some think survival to be more of an exception and small ratio of those born on the material worlds. Others seem undecided or uncommitted but engaged in reasoned questions and comments. I find all posters on the issue to be experienced students and capable of presenting their own thoughts and beliefs and discussing the sources of information in support of such beliefs.
I would contend that none of those who do so believe in this low survivor ratio are now or were first convinced of this belief by the quote posted by Cole….the 200 Million Mortal Ascenders on Jerusem…but already held this belief and find the quote in question additional “evidence” supporting this prior belief. And several alluded to this by saying there is other evidence in the UB which supports such belief. I look forward to that!!! As I said earlier, this general belief and speculation that survival rates are low is not unusual among the student body and I find it something of great interest personally as to why and how such perception is so common. I find it interesting mostly because it is so diametrically opposed to my own perspective of the general and specific teachings of the UB (and the 4th Epochal Revelation known as the Jesusonian Gospel known to us for the past 2000 years) and so generally and specifically reflective of beliefs of my childhood church regarding selectivity and doctrinal conformance for salvation.
This is very personal to me….too personal….and for that I DO apologize for inappropriate fervor/passion in what I hope to be an open and honest discussion and discovery of what the UB teaches….even if I am to be challenged and disappointed in my own perspective and hopes in the matter.
So….I find four general foundational concepts which support the proposition of low survivor rates:
First: the historical Judaic and Christian teachings that only certain and few people are worthy of salvation as measured by the embrace or not of creeds, doctrines, ceremonies, beliefs, and practices which qualify the few over the many. This has gone to such an extreme that many so-called Christian sects believe all other Christians are going to hell if not within a more exclusive group whose beliefs and believers are superior. Some limit the total number of worthy souls to 144,000 even…don’t know if that is total or per generation? Anyway….many if not most “believers” measure all others by their own set of requirements for salvation (survival of death)….UB students are not immune from such a perspective.
Second: There is a very human tendency to judge the planetary situation harshly and to thereby judge people…..in large groupings and as individuals of great difference (or small difference) perceived in comparison to ourselves. The world is going to hell and its obviously so and so’s fault….look at how ‘they’ act and what ‘they’ do. This is VERY common among the UB student body…or so I’ve noticed over the decades and especially so the last 7 years on multiple UB discussion forums….many people are very disappointed in our world and the people of the world and have strong opinions as what others are and are not doing and should and should not be doing. Some UB students think the UB is a form of emergency intervention to prevent the end of times and doom and damnation of the world….yes, this belief is unfortunately proposed by Revelation Readers. So….human despair and impatience makes for a harsh judge on 7 billion souls.
Third: There is a belief (given and defended here by Cole…and others) that the requirements for fusion are the same as for survival. This can only be the result of lack of time in the text or the lack of discernment of the manifold and clearly articulated differences in the two sets of requirements. One may not fuse without a rigorous personal religious experience requiring intentional and deliberate acts and significant personal growth of soul and wisdom and adoption of the highest forms of the Paternal Nature and Love….indeed this path is narrow and the requirements/demands are severe. And yet, small children give birth to soul as do barbarian tree and cave dwellers, naked and filthy and illiterate and primitive tree worshipers and cannibals and killers. Yet some UB students apply the standards of fusion upon all people and condemn the vast majority of God’s children to eternal oblivion and do so despite all the UB evidence to the contrary.
Fourth: And the most delicate of issues I think…is the self superiority required to so judge so many others by our own standards of religious requirements and beliefs….the lack of humility required to judge so many others seems obvious to me but evidently not so much with others. Again, this is all too common among UB readers. There is a group know as “The Circle Counters” who claim to know their own circle progress (oh yes…and that of others too!!), whether they have a personal guardian (and who does not), sometimes their membership in the destiny reservist corps. (and their right and power to recruit others into this very special service unit of great acclaim!), some even claim to have voluntarily delayed fusion here in loyal service to the planet’s current emergency correcting time….some even claim to be Gabriel or Michael or Mighty Messengers. A friend of mine who worked at 533 for years tells me hardly a week went by without some Jesus or another showing up to claim the property and movement for himself. One day when Jesus showed up, he had to be told he’d need to wait his turn today for another Jesus was already in the building!!!! So UB students are hardly immune to our humanistic tendencies to compare others to ourselves and find others lacking thereby.
To be clear….I don’t accuse anyone here of any specific motivation in their perspective….but that view that concludes that few survive this material life is a most interesting perspective. I look forward to additional discussion on the topic. There have been many issues raised and not answered. A basic one is for those math and statistical analytics who have not yet proposed the ratio for sleeping slumbering pilgrims awaiting dispensational roll calls to third circlers…is it a million to one? Or a hundred to one? And then, on those worlds approaching L&L how many fuse on planet and have an abbreviated System experience afterward? It would seem that those who bypass and those in slumber would be an important factor in such calculations. If one is looking for some evidence to help substantiate the prior held belief that very few survive the material life….then any evidence might do I think…..regardless of all the evidence to the contrary even.
I think it important to identify, specify, and consider everything in the UB that some think supports this notion of a very low and naturally limiting survival ratio…and to consider that which indicates otherwise too.
What is faith…truly? How does faith create soul and grow soul without knowledge or beliefs that are true? How is the love response connected to soul and faith? How inaccurate or disconnected can mind be and still the soul grow and faith and worship be engaged? How do children and barbarians give birth to soul and survive and fuse? Because they do you know…………………
How high is the standard for the material children of time who live such a brief life without benefit of example and knowledge for God’s love to deliver survival to those worlds designed for the very purpose of receiving such little ones for education and rehabilitation? What again is the purpose of these receiving worlds? Certainly not to receive those worthy of and ready for fusion!
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
