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200 Million Mortal Ascenders on Jerusem

176 posts · 14 participants · started Nov 26, 2017, 11:47 PM

  1. On our planet, most mortals did not receive a TA until after Pentecost and the bestowal of the Spirit of Truth (108.2.3).

    (1187.2) 108:2.3 Thus is the stage of the human mind set for the reception of Adjusters, but as a general rule they do not immediately appear to indwell such minds except on those worlds where the Spirit of Truth is functioning as a spiritual co-ordinator of these different spirit ministries. If this spirit of the bestowal Sons is present, the Adjusters unfailingly come the instant the seventh adjutant mind-spirit begins to function and signalizes to the Universe Mother Spirit that it has achieved in potential the co-ordination of the associated six adjutants of prior ministry to such a mortal intellect. Therefore have the divine Adjusters been universally bestowed upon all normal minds of moral status on Urantia ever since the day of Pentecost.

    The quote says TA’s didn’t immediately indwell prior to the presence of the SOT. It is not mentioned anywhere that TA’s either NEVER or RARELY EVER indwelled under such circumstances.  It was just not an event automatic with entry into the 7th psychic circle, as it is now.  I don’t think you can extrapolate, as you did, that most mortals did not receive TA’s prior to the arrival of the SOT.

  2. The quote says TA’s didn’t immediately indwell prior to the presence of the SOT. It is not mentioned anywhere that TA’s either NEVER or RARELY EVER indwelled under such circumstances. It was just not an event automatic with entry into the 7th psychic circle, as it is now.

    Actually, it is stated in the Book that prior to the Spirit of Truth, Thought Adjusters did not indwell some and only indwelt some others on the personal petition of the individual.

    In many of the early evolutionary races of Urantia, three groups of beings existed. There were those who were so animalistic that they were utterly lacking in Adjuster capacity. There were those who exhibited undoubted capacity for Adjusters and promptly received them when the age of moral responsibility was attained. There was a third class who occupied a borderline position; they had capacity for Adjuster reception, but the Monitors could only indwell the mind on the personal petition of the individual. (109:3.7)

  3. On our planet, most mortals did not receive a TA until after Pentecost and the bestowal of the Spirit of Truth (108.2.3).

    (1187.2) 108:2.3 Thus is the stage of the human mind set for the reception of Adjusters, but as a general rule they do not immediately appear to indwell such minds except on those worlds where the Spirit of Truth is functioning as a spiritual co-ordinator of these different spirit ministries. If this spirit of the bestowal Sons is present, the Adjusters unfailingly come the instant the seventh adjutant mind-spirit begins to function and signalizes to the Universe Mother Spirit that it has achieved in potential the co-ordination of the associated six adjutants of prior ministry to such a mortal intellect. Therefore have the divine Adjusters been universally bestowed upon all normal minds of moral status on Urantia ever since the day of Pentecost.

    The quote says TA’s didn’t immediately indwell prior to the presence of the SOT. It is not mentioned anywhere that TA’s either NEVER or RARELY EVER indwelled under such circumstances. It was just not an event automatic with entry into the 7th psychic circle, as it is now. I don’t think you can extrapolate, as you did, that most mortals did not receive TA’s prior to the arrival of the SOT.

    Indeed Bonita (and George!)!!

    The very first humans had TA’s (as did many of their progeny)!!  Enoch and Elijah even translated in this brief life here!  Many people received their TA’s prior to Pentecost. The list of the 24 Counselors includes others but not just the holiest or most enlightened humans did so….it was not uncommon at all!

    63:6.9 (717.1) Although both Andon and Fonta had received Thought Adjusters, as had many of their descendants, it was not until the days of Onagar that the Adjusters and guardian seraphim came in great numbers to Urantia. This was, indeed, the golden age of primitive man.

    45:4.13 (514.3) 11. Enoch, the first of the mortals of Urantia to fuse with the Thought Adjuster during the mortal life in the flesh.

    45:4.14 (514.4) 12. Moses, the emancipator of a remnant of the submerged violet race and the instigator of the revival of the worship of the Universal Father under the name of “The God of Israel.”

    45:4.15 (514.5) 13. Elijah, a translated soul of brilliant spiritual achievement during the post-Material Son age.

     

    What follows is a stark assessment. Perhaps most important is what is the upshot of this (?): 133.0.3 There are only two groups of mortals in the eyes of God: those who desire to do his will and those who do not.

    Another point of clarification:  this quote above does not describe humans on their native planet exclusively.  It’s my understanding that the term “mortal” follows all mortal-born ascenders to the very shores of Paradise!

    Such misunderstandings that have been posted here seem to be causing great confusion for some:

    1.  That which is required for fusion is not required for survival.

    2.  TA’s are widely available and present long before the Mortal Epoch which delivers the Son’s Spirit.

    3.  That the term mortal only describes beings prior to mortality is still another misstatement/misunderstanding of the text.

    Ahhhhh…..the very point and purpose of such a study group.  Orientation, perspective by triangulation, paradigm shifts, relinquishing personal misconception and prejudice….such great fruit for the feasting!

    If 200 million persons is an average mansion-morontia world population for Jerusem and this number is extrapolated to each of the 49 worlds, the system typically holds about 10 billion persons in “active process”. The population for the sleeping survivor population at any time is difficult to evaluate. IF this population is 100 billion (10X the 49 morontia world population)….and the total living population of the 619 worlds is on the order of 2 trillion persons, we have an initial survival rate in the ballpark area of 5%.

    If by “initial survival rate” you mean 3rd Circlers, then I would suggest your short on your factor by a factor of close to 20 sleeping, slumbering survivors.  Do you mean to propose that Urantia has as many 3rds as sleepers?  Doubt it.  And don’t forget that many who are 3rds  and fuse prior to Jerusem do not tarry there long as citizens…another wild card and there are many to consider.  I fear you/we cannot do more than consider such calculations as more than mere speculation.  The real point here is the perspective of the speculator and the proposition or conclusion they hope to confirm by such speculation.   Your inference is clear but your factors are not aligned with any degree of accuracy with the text itself….which distorts your speculations as well as your proposition that survival is rare.

    Have you read yet the topics I provided links for?  Some very informative text on the definitions (and there are many) of ‘faith’ and its expressions and the difficult topic of love response as well.  All love comes from God…all love response and the giving of it to another is an expression of faith….blind faith perhaps but faith nonetheless.  Personal religious experience is not confined to or defined by beliefs or understandings of the mind so much as this love response and the tender feelings of little children or primitives or barbarians for others regardless of whether the TA is present or not.  TA’s are not required for religious experience and there are so many forms and flavors of that!

    Regarding perspective, I am reminded of this from one of my favorite papers – Religion in Human Experience:

    100:4.5 (1098.2) In the mind’s eye conjure up a picture of one of your primitive ancestors of cave-dwelling times — a short, misshapen, filthy, snarling hulk of a man standing, legs spread, club upraised, breathing hate and animosity as he looks fiercely just ahead. Such a picture hardly depicts the divine dignity of man. But allow us to enlarge the picture. In front of this animated human crouches a saber-toothed tiger. Behind him, a woman and two children. Immediately you recognize that such a picture stands for the beginnings of much that is fine and noble in the human race, but the man is the same in both pictures. Only, in the second sketch you are favored with a widened horizon. You therein discern the motivation of this evolving mortal. His attitude becomes praiseworthy because you understand him. If you could only fathom the motives of your associates, how much better you would understand them. If you could only know your fellows, you would eventually fall in love with them. *

    Behold the noble mortal portrayed in the UB.  Primitives with ghost fears and fetishes are described lovingly in the UB as true religionists.  We must be willing to expand our perspectives of religion, faith, love, and survival potential as much as our view of the grand universe of universes.  This, we are taught, is a friendly universe and whose Creator loves each and every being and gives us patience and mercy along with this profound love.

    We are not to measure any other being’s religious life or experience or status by our own.  Those who fear a small survival rate and those who believe in a great success rate offer very contrasting views not only of humanity but also of all the ministering spirits of the Father, Son, and Mother and their mercy ministry and patience and the ascension plan itself.  Let us trust them to their good work.

    Sorry if I sound even the least bit scolding.  But if the 4th was the Good News, the 5th is even better and far more Good News.  It is not a warning but a celebration of our planetary evolutionary progress and the wondrous victory of the Spirit of Truth on our world today.  Or so I believe.  Yahoo and Yipee!!

     

    ;-)

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  4. The quote says TA’s didn’t immediately indwell prior to the presence of the SOT. It is not mentioned anywhere that TA’s either NEVER or RARELY EVER indwelled under such circumstances. It was just not an event automatic with entry into the 7th psychic circle, as it is now.

    Actually, it is stated in the Book that prior to the Spirit of Truth, Thought Adjusters did not indwell some and only indwelt some others on the personal petition of the individual.

    In many of the early evolutionary races of Urantia, three groups of beings existed. There were those who were so animalistic that they were utterly lacking in Adjuster capacity. There were those who exhibited undoubted capacity for Adjusters and promptly received them when the age of moral responsibility was attained. There was a third class who occupied a borderline position; they had capacity for Adjuster reception, but the Monitors could only indwell the mind on the personal petition of the individual. (109:3.7)

    Early on in human evolution there was already a whole group of people who had undoubted capacity for Adjuster indwelling.  That’s pretty impressive. Here’s another explanation of the reasons for Adjuster indwelling prior to the SOT arrival:

    (1187.4) 108:2.5 Before the times of the pouring out of the Spirit of Truth upon the inhabitants of an evolutionary world, the Adjusters’ bestowal appears to be determined by many spirit influences and personality attitudes. We do not fully comprehend the laws governing such bestowals; we do not understand just what determines the release of the Adjusters who have volunteered to indwell such evolving minds. But we do observe numerous influences and conditions which appear to be associated with the arrival of the Adjusters in such minds prior to the bestowal of the Spirit of Truth, and they are:

    (1187.5) 108:2.6 1. The assignment of personal seraphic guardians. If a mortal has not been previously indwelt by an Adjuster, the assignment of a personal guardian brings the Adjuster forthwith. There exists some very definite but unknown relation between the ministry of Adjusters and the ministry of personal seraphic guardians.

    (1187.6) 108:2.7 2. The attainment of the third circle of intellectual achievement and spiritual attainment. I have observed Adjusters arrive in mortal minds upon the conquest of the third circle even before such an accomplishment could be signalized to the local universe personalities concerned with such matters.

    (1187.7) 108:2.8 3. Upon the making of a supreme decision of unusual spiritual import. Such human behavior in a personal planetary crisis usually is attended by the immediate arrival of the waiting Adjuster.

    (1187.8) 108:2.9 4. The spirit of brotherhood. Regardless of the attainment of the psychic circles and the assignment of personal guardians — in the absence of anything resembling a crisis decision — when an evolving mortal becomes dominated by the love of his fellows and consecrated to unselfish ministry to his brethren in the flesh, the waiting Adjuster unvaryingly descends to indwell the mind of such a mortal minister.

    (1188.1) 108:2.10 5. Declaration of intention to do the will of God. We observe that many mortals on the worlds of space may be apparently in readiness to receive Adjusters, and yet the Monitors do not appear. We go on watching such creatures as they live from day to day, and presently they quietly, almost unconsciously, arrive at the decision to begin the pursuit of the doing of the will of the Father in heaven. And then we observe the immediate dispatch of the Thought Adjusters.

    (1188.2) 108:2.11 6. Influence of the Supreme Being. On worlds where the Adjusters do not fuse with the evolving souls of the mortal inhabitants, we observe Adjusters sometimes bestowed in response to influences which are wholly beyond our comprehension. We conjecture that such bestowals are determined by some cosmic reflex action originating in the Supreme Being. As to why these Adjusters can not or do not fuse with these certain types of evolving mortal minds we do not know. Such transactions have never been revealed to us.

     

     

     

  5. What follows is a stark assessment. Perhaps most important is what is the upshot of this (?):

    133.0.3  There are only two groups of mortals in the eyes of God: those who desire to do his will and those who do not.

    Here’s the whole quote for reference:

    (1468.3) 133:0.3 One day while resting at lunch, about halfway to Tarentum, Ganid asked Jesus a direct question as to what he thought of India’s caste system. Said Jesus: “Though human beings differ in many ways, the one from another, before God and in the spiritual world all mortals stand on an equal footing. There are only two groups of mortals in the eyes of God: those who desire to do his will and those who do not. As the universe looks upon an inhabited world, it likewise discerns two great classes: those who know God and those who do not. Those who cannot know God are reckoned among the animals of any given realm. Mankind can appropriately be divided into many classes in accordance with differing qualifications, as they may be viewed physically, mentally, socially, vocationally, or morally, but as these different classes of mortals appear before the judgment bar of God, they stand on an equal footing; God is truly no respecter of persons. Although you cannot escape the recognition of differential human abilities and endowments in matters intellectual, social, and moral, you should make no such distinctions in the spiritual brotherhood of men when assembled for worship in the presence of God.”

    Nowhere does it say that those who do not desire to do God’s will are any less loved than those who do.  It also does not say that they will fail to survive, or are even unlikely to survive.  It is quite possible that the group that does not desire to do God’s will actually get more attention than the one which does, because they would have less love in their nature and would be in need of receiving more, as explained in this quote:

    (1739:06) 156:5.11 You are destined to live a narrow and mean life if you learn to love only those who love you. Human love may indeed be reciprocal, but divine love is outgoing in all its satisfaction-seeking. The less of love in any creature’s nature, the greater the love need, and the more does divine love seek to satisfy such need. Love is never self-seeking, and it cannot be self-bestowed. Divine love cannot be self-contained; it must be unselfishly bestowed.

    Who knows, at some point this love-needy group may turn around and begin to heed the inner call of love.  It’s not for us to judge these things. But when it comes to love, we know what is expected of us who desire to do God’s will.  Be no respecter of persons . . . don’t live a narrow and mean life by loving only those who have a desire to do God’s will (those who love us back).

     

     

     

  6. It’s not for us to judge these things.

    When tempted to speculate about these things, I stop.  I recall the famous story about the brigand who was crucified next to Jesus.  (187:4.2 )  Personality survival is on a case by case basis which basis is dependent upon the person who is doing the choosing.  Anyone can change his/her mind (choose God/Jesus) as long as the ability to think is functioning.

    5:1.8[Part I]
    The Father desires all his creatures to be in personal communion with him. He has on Paradise a place to receive all those whose survival status and spiritual nature make possible such attainment. Therefore settle in your philosophy now and forever: To each of you and to all of us, God is approachable, the Father is attainable, the way is open; the forces of divine love and the ways and means of divine administration are all interlocked in an effort to facilitate the advancement of every worthy intelligence of every universe to the Paradise presence of the Universal Father.
  7. While of course I don’t know the final truth of the matter, at the moment I end up aligning with those who think that the rate of survival at this time in our system is low.  In part this is because I find the implied mathematics and dynamics in alternative explanations of the Jerusem population numbers to be unsatisfying, in part because some of the quotes of Jesus others have posted in this thread make no logical or rhetorical sense to me if a low rate of survival is not the case.

    At least as significant to me, however, is that so much of what is often counted as piety and virtue in humanity has far more to do than with things like good ol’ primate group-identity politics, biological temperament, and evolutionary culture than is generally given credit.

    Regarding the “primate politics” part, I’m always reminded of the lyrics of Buffalo Springfield:

    …A thousand people in the street
    Singing songs and carrying signs
    Mostly saying, “hooray for our side”

    I suspect that it’s going to be no small problem for some on the mansion worlds regarding who survives and who does not, given how much “education” and “being informed” in this world consists to no small extent in assimilating and regurgitating what is little more than in-group propaganda, with its cast of villains and heroes.  Combine that with all the rigors of the ascension experience that others have previously mentioned, and combine it with what most believers here seem to expect about the afterlife, and that inclines me to the view that survival is more the exception than the rule in our local system.

    My sense is that, as with a number of things, it is impossible to judge survival potential at the individual level but not necessarily at the group level.  For example, the demographic I work with for part of the year is composed of people from relatively affluent, educated, and biologically/culturally solid families.  They are fine, competent people in many ways and I often feel a bit awkward just being around them.  Nonetheless I rarely if ever anything that strikes me as saving faith in them, and not even much interest in the issue of salvation, and I’m constantly on the lookout for those things.  I’m sure I miss indications of saving faith in some of them since my faith-dar isn’t exactly perfect, but the sword of uncertainty always cuts both ways, and that implies that I only think I see it in some  where I do sense it.  So it’s probably a wash.  Looking at these people as an aggregate, I can find no reason to believe that many if not most will not make it.  I see no indication that eternal survival is even a concern!  I’d have to state things differently when considering a wider spectrum of humanity, but the general idea regarding individuals and aggregates still applies.

    Lastly I would say that the trait of being “subnormal minded”, which in the UB does not bode well for survival potential, does not necessarily mean what would now be called “developmentally disabled.”  For example, IQ is only part of what the revelators mean with the term “subnormal” but I think it’s an acceptable proxy for present purposes.  Depending to some extent on how the numbers are run, world population averages around a not-exactly-stellar 85.  There are sizable countries and regions where the average is considerably less than 85 on our not-exactly-intellectually-gifted Urantia.  There are entire nations where the average is at the level of mild mental retardation even by our planetary standards.  The usual assumption among UB readers, in my experience, is to assume that “subnormal-minded” means relatively severe mental retardation (as such would normally be found in the developed world) but I see no reason to think that this is the case.

    What I am getting at is that it is quite possible that being subnormal-minded in the manner that prevents or at least greatly impedes survival potential just in itself, before choice even enters the picture, may well be the case for a much larger percentage of the population than is generally assumed by readers.  Even in those areas of the world where even the average IQ is at the level of mild mental retardation, most people have animated conversations, make music, go about very human tasks, etc..  Indeed, while I don’t think this is the case, “subnormal minded” could mean about half the earth’s population.

    The whole relationship between intelligence and affluence/culture as they relate to survival is highly complex, and I don’t want to be glib about it.  I just want to submit some some further factors for consideration.

    For what it’s worth.

     

     

     

     

     

  8. I suspect that it’s going to be no small problem for some on the mansion worlds regarding who survives and who does not, given how much “education” and “being informed” in this world consists to no small extent in assimilating and regurgitating what is little more than in-group propaganda, with its cast of villains and heroes. Combine that with all the rigors of the ascension experience that others have previously mentioned, and combine it with what most believers here seem to expect about the afterlife, and that inclines me to the view that survival is more the exception than the rule in our local system.

    While I do not disagree with the perspective that our society tends to be quite ‘in-group propaganda’ driven, I do not think our world is unique in that regard.  I expect that is a very common state of societies throughout the many local systems and universes.  In fact, I expect this very  in-group propaganda was very much in evidence at the time of the Caligastia and Lucifer rebellion, which affected many worlds, not just our own.  “Rigors of the ascension experience” and unrealistic expectations of the afterlife (or lack of interest therein), is also very likely to be common on other worlds.

  9. While I do not disagree with the perspective that our society tends to be quite ‘in-group propaganda’ driven, I do not think our world is unique in that regard. I expect that is a very common state of societies throughout the many local systems and universes. In fact, I expect this very in-group propaganda was very much in evidence at the time of the Caligastia and Lucifer rebellion, which affected many worlds, not just our own. “Rigors of the ascension experience” and unrealistic expectations of the afterlife (or lack of interest therein), is also very likely to be common on other worlds.

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    I agree.  And as you may be implying, I think this is all the more reason to take seriously the possibility that at that time survival rates were quite low in this local system then and now.

    I should also mention that I’m of the school that it seems unlikely that the revelators would have provided population numbers for ascenders on Jerusem that were not in line with the average.  The numbers weren’t essential to the narrative and it’s not hard to see that giving the count for an extreme without further contextualization would be seriously misleading.

  10. …the entirety of time and space is designed for the ascension experience

    Although I don’t wish to comment further on the topic of survival, I would like to make a rather belated response to the above comment about the ascension experience.

    It is unlikely that it’s all about us mortals. The UB implies there are seven prime purposes in the universes of time and space, of which the mortal ascension scheme is only one. There are few references to this but one is made in Paper 106, where it mentions our “… ignorance of the six prime purposes of superuniverse development which do not pertain to the mortal ascent to Paradise.” (106.0.10)

    Also, in the section about Unrevealed Angels, it is implied there are seven orders of angels (or angel-like creatures), of which only one ministers to mortals in the ascension plan (38.3.1). And there is at least one reference to Unrevealed Ascenders (30:1.54), which implies they are other-than-mortal.

    Mortals are no doubt special – but not that special.

    Bradly wrote:

    But speculation can be fun too!

    Speculation is great fun. Consider that even the highest orders of beings engage in speculation. In the book, we see Divine Counselors, Solitary Messengers, and Mighty Messengers speculating on the truths of the universe.

    Philosophy is a form of speculation, as is scientific theory. However, as Bradley implied, it does need to be reasonable. The strength of our speculations relies only on our reason and logic, as well as the strength of our premises, for there are always premises. We will be speculating about the universe and its truths all the way to Paradise. And even there the Masters of Philosophy will guide us into further speculation.

    “Never do you climb so high or advance so far that there do not remain a thousand mysteries which demand the employment of philosophy in an attempted solution.” 27.6.1

  11. Mark states:
    Philosophy is a form of speculation, as is scientific theory. However, as Bradley implied, it does need to be reasonable.
    I agree.
    30:0.2[Part I]
    It is not possible to formulate comprehensive and entirely consistent classifications of the personalities of the grand universe because all of the groups are not revealed. It would require numerous additional papers to cover the further revelation required to systematically classify all groups. Such conceptual expansion would hardly be desirable as it would deprive the thinking mortals of the next thousand years of that stimulus to creative speculation which these partially revealed concepts supply. It is best that man not have an overrevelation; it stifles imagination.
    There are a few areas wherein the book discourages useless speculation about certain specific issues revealed….but IMO, the lines above and others seem to indicate that we should use our imagination, be interested in God and creation, and, as appropriate, speculate/philosophize.  I would hate to see this revelation become just one more of the Urantia religious texts wherein every jot and tittle is, as many bible enthusiasts believe about that text, the final word of God.  A good example of extensive speculation conducted by a reader is contained with A Study of the Master Universe and then again, in the Appendices.
  12. So….came across this while studying another topic at another forum.  I must say I remain mystified, truly baffled by those claims that survival is rare.  This is apparently not true even during the most primitive, barbaric, and earliest of the Mortal Epochs.  One must ignore the birth of soul and the evolutionary mind ministry of the Adjutants and spirit ministry of the Holy Spirit to deliver the birth of soul and the first faith expressions and natural worship of soul itself to believe such a claim.  One must have a very narrow definition of faith expression and love response to bring such limits and limitations to bear.  One must also have a dim view of humanity even today which superimposes personal definitions and requirements of faith and the flicker and one must also presume that the requirements for fusion (which are great) are also those for survival.  An odd mixture of required perspective to consider survival a rarity….which also assumes the ascension plan has a very high failure rate and at the same time makes those who do survive seemingly superior to so many others.

    I find the exercise distasteful and repugnant personally.  The quote of 200 million is a small piece of non-evidence for a preconception with little support in the Revelation….just sayin’.

    Perhaps it would be helpful to consider the possible meanings of “God-seeking” and who that might include and exclude….and what is the spectrum of behaviors and hopes that might be defined by “manifest willingness” and “exhibit a desire to find God”.  What do those quotes mean?  For one must truly limit their definitions by some real personal prejudice to conclude how empty are the mansion worlds and what a failure is God’s universe ascension plan for the mortals of time and space.

    Paper 85 – The Origins of Worship is recommended to expand our concept perception of the broad spectrum of the definitions of religious experience and to better appreciate how primitive still today is much of human religious experience.  It is a mistake for the more enlightened and informed mind to over-judge and eternally condemn our less enlightened brothers and sisters on this world and on any other.  Or so I think.  The UB is a great gift of hope and a beacon of God’s love for us all….no matter how stupid, ignorant, primitive, fearful, confused, or lost….God never quits on finding the one lost sheep and never stops loving, caring, forgiving, and shepherding us home.  To  say the UB teaches otherwise misses the point altogether.

    40:5.9 (445.10) Mortals of series one inhabit the worlds of space during the earlier epochs of the evolution of mankind and embrace the most primitive types of human minds. On many worlds like pre-Adamic Urantia great numbers of the higher and more advanced types of primitive men acquire survival capacity but fail to attain Adjuster fusion. For ages upon ages, before man’s ascent to the level of higher spiritual volition, the Adjusters occupy the minds of these struggling creatures during their short lives in the flesh, and the moment such will creatures are indwelt by Adjusters, the group guardian angels begin to function. While these mortals of the first series do not have personal guardians, they do have group custodians.

    40:5.10 (446.1) An experiential Adjuster remains with a primitive human being throughout his entire lifetime in the flesh. The Adjusters contribute much to the advancement of primitive men but are unable to form eternal unions with such mortals. This transient ministry of the Adjusters accomplishes two things: First, they gain valuable and actual experience in the nature and working of the evolutionary intellect, an experience which will be invaluable in connection with later contacts on other worlds with beings of higher development. Second, the transient sojourn of the Adjusters contributes much towards preparing their mortal subjects for possible subsequent Spirit fusion. All God-seeking souls of this type achieve eternal life through the spiritual embrace of the Mother Spirit of the local universe, thus becoming ascending mortals of the local universe regime. Many persons from pre-Adamic Urantia were thus advanced to the mansion worlds of Satania.

    40:5.19 (447.4) As to the chances of mortal survival, let it be made forever clear: All souls of every possible phase of mortal existence will survive provided they manifest willingness to co-operate with their indwelling Adjusters and exhibit a desire to find God and to attain divine perfection, even though these desires be but the first faint flickers of the primitive comprehension of that “true light which lights every man who comes into the world.”

    6. The Faith Sons of God

    40:6.1 (447.5) The mortal races stand as the representatives of the lowest order of intelligent and personal creation. You mortals are divinely beloved, and every one of you may choose to accept the certain destiny of a glorious experience, but you are not yet by nature of the divine order; you are wholly mortal. You will be reckoned as ascending sons the instant fusion takes place, but the status of the mortals of time and space is that of faith sons prior to the event of the final amalgamation of the surviving mortal soul with some type of eternal and immortal spirit.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  13. As quoted in the post above:

    One must have a very narrow definition of faith expression and love response to bring such limits and limitations to bear.  One must also have a dim view of humanity even today which superimposes personal definitions and requirements of faith and the flicker and one must also presume that the requirements for fusion (which are great) are also those for survival.

    Really?  Seems quite judgmental towards several people that you do not even know. Do you own a mirror?

  14. As quoted in the post above:

    One must have a very narrow definition of faith expression and love response to bring such limits and limitations to bear. One must also have a dim view of humanity even today which superimposes personal definitions and requirements of faith and the flicker and one must also presume that the requirements for fusion (which are great) are also those for survival.

    Really? Seems quite judgmental towards several people that you do not even know. Do you own a mirror?

    How very hilariously ironic!!!  Yes indeed…some here are quite judgmental towards billions, even trillions of people they don’t even know.  Based on what?  Besides a preconception seeking confirmation where none exists.   Very funny.  I have both a mirror and a sense of humor…and a keen appreciation for the Good News in our collective hands….and not looking to condemn and judge so many by my own limited understanding of faith, love, mercy, patience, religious experience, and the purpose, plan, and power of those in whose care we abide.

    ;-)

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  15. . . . and at the same time makes those who do survive seemingly superior to so many others.

    I think you nailed it.

  16. Do you own a mirror?

    Hmmm.

  17. And odd mixture of required perspective to consider survival a rarity….which also assumes the ascension plan has a very high failure rate and at the same time makes those who do survive seemingly superior to so many others.

    Brilliant observation Bradly.  The idea that the ascension plan is faulty, that it fails to save large numbers of God’s creatures, is rather Luciferian in my opinion.  So is the pride of spiritual superiority.

  18. I would hate to see this revelation become just one more of the Urantia religious texts wherein every jot and tittle is, as many bible enthusiasts believe about that text, the final word of God.

    I certainly agree it would be a shame if the 5th Epochal Revelation and most important and wonderful book ever printed/published in our history were to become “just one more…religious text”.  As students know, the UB is not the word of God, final or otherwise.  And yet, it is not to be easily dismissed or distorted by the sincere religionist who seeks to apply the facts of history and the friendly universe we live in as a great assist to the pilgrim’s path to Paradise….for those who believe the claims of its authors….and those sincere truth seekers who can find truth in many forms and places.

    Study groups such as this one can be immensely helpful to those serious students wishing to understand the contents of the UB and broaden the horizons of perspective in the personal pursuit of truth, beauty, and goodness.

    Despite this recent disagreement on the mortal survival rate, I have enjoyed the discussion and the discovery.  Best wishes and in good humor… ;-)

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  19. Yes, best wishes. Let it be finished.

  20. Cole wrote:  I have read Paper 53 many times and have always wondered about the number posted at the end of the paragraph (see below).  It states that roughly 200 Million mortals were on Jerusem at the installation of Lucifer’s successor.  If this is the total number of mortal ascenders on Jerusem….it seems small. . . .

    I re-read this topic to see if I could see where the discussion went off the rails.  A number of people chimed in on the topic. Everyone was respectful of the opinions of others up to about the middle of page three.

    Why is it several people on this forum ruin a good topic by either directly or indirectly insinuate that the opinion/s of others are to be dismissed? Several people agreed with your idea Cole. I enjoyed the discussion, but for me the ones who lowered the discussion to the personal level tarnished it. You and all of us deserve respect, even if we do not agree about the interpretation of UB material.  The people who have disrespected you know who they are.

    28:6.20   And the manifestation of greatness on a world like Urantia is the exhibition of self-control. The great man is not he who “takes a city” or “overthrows a nation,” but rather “he who subdues his own tongue.”

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