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200 Million Mortal Ascenders on Jerusem

176 posts · 14 participants · started Nov 26, 2017, 11:47 PM

  1. I find it a little confusing that there are students of the UB who conclude it is less than a presentation on love, mercy, hope, patience, and eternal kindness ministry…the entirety of time and space is designed for the ascension experience and I’ve read nothing that teaches or infers that this short mortal life is the primary cutoff mechanism for eternal choices….don’t jive at all.

    Why did God create mortality?

    What’s it necessary for if life is eternal?

    Why not create humans as eternal beings from the get go without needing to die?

     

     

  2. Why not create humans as eternal beings from the get go without needing to die?

    You’re kidding me, right?

     

  3. I think the elephant in the room here is that many of us are unwilling to accept the idea that few mortals survive life after death. There is little in the book to support any notion that survival is the inevitable default. Lucifer is the only one who claimed that everybody would survive if it wasn’t for those interfering Ancients of Days (see 53:3).

    Because every single personality is essential to the Supreme. Also, there’s the universal law of love where the less of love a creature has the greater their need for it and the greater the heavenly response. And, I assert that survival is easy since they tell us even a child can do it.

    This is a very interesting discussion of the ancient and enduring question which has always confronted religionists: Will few or many be saved? As the various opinions expressed here demonstrate, things can be found in the Book which appear to support either side of this question. So, why don’t the authors give us a single definitive answer to this question which would reassure us and resolve this confusion? Why did Jesus refuse to directly answer this question, instead concluding his response to it by saying:

    And so, whether few or many are to be saved altogether depends on whether few or many will heed the invitation: “I am the door, I am the new and living way, and whosoever wills may enter to embark upon the endless truth-search for eternal life.” (166:3.7)

    Salvation is always a strictly personal matter; it has nothing to do with whether or not others will reawaken. The question of personal survival can only be adjudicated by the Ancients of Days. Lucifer is the great caution against that spiritual pride which presumes to elevate one’s own moral judgments about who should and should not survive above the divine wisdom and judgment of God. The Ancients of Days do decide that some will not survive, but this sovereign function of Deity is always divinely just and merciful, even if it may not always appear so to human moral judgment.

    It is always a test of faith when the superior spiritual judgment of God appears to differ from our own moral judgment. Faith is never a finished thing; it is a living reality which grows in response to the constant challenges it encounters.

     

     

  4. Why not create humans as eternal beings from the get go without needing to die?

    You’re kidding me, right?

    Mortals are the most blessed of ALL creatures…not just in potential but inherently by Divine favor and blessing!!!  We are essential to the circle of reality and potential!!  And it seems unlikely that cruelty, injustice, unfairness, and impatience have any part in the survivor numbers of mortal born ascenders.  God knows and provides for material attachments, fears, confusions, faults, and failures on the worlds of mortal birth.  Lots of quotes to consider here related thereto….back when I have more time….great question Enno….the answers to which are many indeed!  What a glorious legacy we inherit and destiny we share….it’s great to be a tadpole in God’s loving and friendly universe….if one can but see and hear that is.  Our world is filled with love-response and many have far more than the mere flicker required….if one can but discern the light within others and love them.

    32:3.10 (361.5) The fact of animal evolutionary origin does not attach stigma to any personality in the sight of the universe as that is the exclusive method of producing one of the two basic types of finite intelligent will creatures. When the heights of perfection and eternity are attained, all the more honor to those who began at the bottom and joyfully climbed the ladder of life, round by round, and who, when they do reach the heights of glory, will have gained a personal experience which embodies an actual knowledge of every phase of life from the bottom to the top.

    32:3.11 (361.6) In all this is shown the wisdom of the Creators. It would be just as easy for the Universal Father to make all mortals perfect beings, to impart perfection by his divine word. But that would deprive them of the wonderful experience of the adventure and training associated with the long and gradual inward climb, an experience to be had only by those who are so fortunate as to begin at the very bottom of living existence.

    :good:

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  5. And what do you think Jesus meant when he said, “I am the door, I am the new and living way”?  What would a person accepting that invitation look like?

  6. I find it a little confusing that there are students of the UB who conclude it is less than a presentation on love, mercy, hope, patience, and eternal kindness ministry…the entirety of time and space is designed for the ascension experience and I’ve read nothing that teaches or infers that this short mortal life is the primary cutoff mechanism for eternal choices….don’t jive at all.

    Why did God create mortality? What’s it necessary for if life is eternal? Why not create humans as eternal beings from the get go without needing to die?

    What, no Agondonters?

    how boring.

  7. 5:1.11 (64.2) Mortal man may draw near God and may repeatedly forsake the divine will so long as the power of choice remains. Man’s final doom is not sealed until he has lost the power to choose the Father’s will. There is never a closure of the Father’s heart to the need and the petition of his children. Only do his offspring close their hearts forever to the Father’s drawing power when they finally and forever lose the desire to do his divine will — to know him and to be like him. Likewise is man’s eternal destiny assured when Adjuster fusion proclaims to the universe that such an ascender has made the final and irrevocable choice to live the Father’s will.

    52:5.1 (595.6) When a certain standard of intellectual and spiritual development is attained on an inhabited world, a Paradise bestowal Son always arrives. On normal worlds he does not appear in the flesh until the races have ascended to the highest levels of intellectual development and ethical attainment. But on Urantia the bestowal Son, even your own Creator Son, appeared at the close of the Adamic dispensation, but that is not the usual order of events on the worlds of space.

    52:5.2 (595.7) When the worlds have become ripe for spiritualization, the bestowal Son arrives. These Sons always belong to the Magisterial or Avonal order except in that case, once in each local universe, when the Creator Son prepares for his terminal bestowal on some evolutionary world, as occurred when Michael of Nebadon appeared on Urantia to bestow himself upon your mortal races. Only one world in near ten million can enjoy such a gift; all other worlds are spiritually advanced by the bestowal of a Paradise Son of the Avonal order.

    52:5.4 (596.2) The bestowal Son lives and dies for the spiritual uplift of the mortal races of a world. He establishes the “new and living way”; his life is an incarnation of Paradise truth in mortal flesh, that very truth — even the Spirit of Truth — in the knowledge of which men shall be free.

    52:5.5 (596.3) On Urantia the establishment of this “new and living way” was a matter of fact as well as of truth. The isolation of Urantia in the Lucifer rebellion had suspended the procedure whereby mortals can pass, upon death, directly to the shores of the mansion worlds. Before the days of Christ Michael on Urantia all souls slept on until the dispensational or special millennial resurrections. Even Moses was not permitted to go over to the other side until the occasion of a special resurrection, the fallen Planetary Prince, Caligastia, contesting such a deliverance. But ever since the day of Pentecost, Urantia mortals again may proceed directly to the morontia spheres.

    52:5.6 (596.4) Upon the resurrection of a bestowal Son, on the third day after yielding up his incarnated life, he ascends to the right hand of the Universal Father, receives the assurance of the acceptance of the bestowal mission, and returns to the Creator Son at the headquarters of the local universe. Thereupon the bestowal Avonal and the Creator Michael send their joint spirit, the Spirit of Truth, into the bestowal world. This is the occasion when the “spirit of the triumphant Son is poured out upon all flesh.” The Universe Mother Spirit also participates in this bestowal of the Spirit of Truth, and concomitant therewith there issues the bestowal edict of the Thought Adjusters. Thereafter all normal-minded will creatures of that world will receive Adjusters as soon as they attain the age of moral responsibility, of spiritual choice.

    :-)

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  8. What would a person accepting that invitation look like?

    You or me.  My neighbor who is a Seventh Day Adventist.  Another who is Catholic.  Another who is Muslim.  Or someone who is unaffiliated with an organized religion.  There are lots of those people I think.  Anyone who has a flicker of faith.  Anyone can discover Jesus at any time.

    And what do you think Jesus meant when he said, “I am the door, I am the new and living way”?

    The only way to our destiny is via God the Sevenfold (0:8.0 )  and beyond, as our Master Michael blazes the trail.

    21:6.4  […] And we believe that in eternity the Michaels are literally destined to be “the way, the truth, and the life,” ever blazing the path for all universe personalities as it leads from supreme divinity through ultimate absonity to eternal deity finality.

    Maybe that’s why he said, “Follow me.”

  9. Yeah, I think anyone open to truth qualifies as accepting the invitation.  Truth is relative, so truth will appear a little different to each person looking for it.  I think a lot of people are looking for truth but they may call it something else, and many, many people don’t know that truth is a person.  But I don’t think God considers that a black mark on your permanent record.

  10. I believe Parts 1-3 make the requirements for survival quite clear, and Jesus reiterates all of these points in Part 4. To sum it up, survival requires:

    Faith – that we are sons of God.

    Spiritual motivation – the desire to know God.

    Consecration to our Father’s will – cooperation with the divine Spirit.

    Identification with the Father’s spirit. “Sooner or later we all become aware that all creature growth is proportional to Father identification.” 106:9.11

    Continuously making supreme decisions essential to eternal survival.

    I challenge you to look around and then to honestly ask yourself – how many people with these qualities or commitments do you know?

     

    Actually mark – these are the requirements for fusion – not survival of mortal death….big difference!!   ;-)

    2:6.8 (41.6) God loves the sinner and hates the sin: such a statement is true philosophically, but God is a transcendent personality, and persons can only love and hate other persons. Sin is not a person. God loves the sinner because he is a personality reality (potentially eternal), while towards sin God strikes no personal attitude, for sin is not a spiritual reality; it is not personal; therefore does only the justice of God take cognizance of its existence. The love of God saves the sinner; the law of God destroys the sin. This attitude of the divine nature would apparently change if the sinner finally identified himself wholly with sin just as the same mortal mind may also fully identify itself with the indwelling spirit Adjuster. Such a sin-identified mortal would then become wholly unspiritual in nature (and therefore personally unreal) and would experience eventual extinction of being. Unreality, even incompleteness of creature nature, cannot exist forever in a progressingly real and increasingly spiritual universe.

    Know someone who has finally and knowingly wholly identified himself with sin and iniquity?  I’ve met a handful in all my time and travels – perhaps…..perhaps not.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  11. I tend to agree with Mark on this.  The requirements for salvation and then fusion/continued progress seem to be rigorous for most, at least according to the standards of our current society (by those standards, I have often had qualms about what led to the Adamic default and the fact that it could not be remedied by some means other than that ultimately chosen).

    By faith we are saved (not belief).  And such is only faith when this belief is central to your existence.  And that distinction is important as might be noted by this statement:

    101.8.1 A state of mind attains to faith levels only when it actually dominates the mode of living.

     

    Survival….is stated herein as being predicated on whole-hearted desire and perfect willingness to do the Father’s divine will.  Now this could be survival after death or survival going forward.  Regardless, I would not guess that many could truthfully confirm their desire as such, at least now on this world.

    3.5.15  Survival of the part is dependent on cooperation with the plan and purpose of the whole, the whole-hearted desire and perfect willingness to do the Father’s divine will.

     

    What follows is a stark assessment. Perhaps most important is what is the upshot of this (?):

    133.0.3  There are only two groups of mortals in the eyes of God: those who desire to do his will and those who do not.

     

    Salvation is termed here as a progressive morontia transformation.  And you have to wonder, how many decide not to go further after the Mansion-Morontia Worlds.

    101.9.9   Faith becomes the connection between moral consciousness and the spiritual concept of enduring reality. Religion becomes the avenue of man’s escape from the material limitations of the temporal and natural world to the supernal realities of the eternal and spiritual world by and through the technique of salvation, the progressive morontia transformation.

     

    More words of Jesus…

    141.6.4  Simply go forth proclaiming: This is the kingdom of heaven — God is your Father and you are his sons, and this good news, if you wholeheartedly believe it, is your eternal salvation.”

     

    More words of Jesus:

    166.3.4  Salvation is not for those who are unwilling to pay the price of wholehearted dedication to doing my Father’s will.  When in spirit and soul you have turned your backs upon the Father’s kingdom, it is useless in mind and body to stand before this door and knock, saying,’Lord, open to us; we would also be great in the kingdom. Then will I declare that you are not of my fold. I will not receive you to be among those who have fought the good fight of faith and won the reward of unselfish service in the kingdom on earth. And when you say,’Did we not eat and drink with you, and did you not teach in our streets?’ then shall I again declare that you are spiritual strangers; that we were not fellow servants in the Father’s ministry of mercy on earth; that I do not know you; and then shall the Judge of all the earth say to you:’Depart from us, all you who have taken delight in the works of iniquity.*

     

    Path taken – or not taken…is your decision…but you must be a sincere seeker to enter the Kingdom.

    166:3.3

    “You also have another saying among you, and one that contains much truth: That the way which leads to eternal life is straight and narrow, that the door which leads thereto is likewise narrow so that, of those who seek salvation, few can find entrance through this door. You also have a teaching that the way which leads to destruction is broad, that the entrance thereto is wide, and that there are many who choose to go this way. And this proverb is not without its meaning. But I declare that salvation is first a matter of your personal choosing. Even if the door to the way of life is narrow, it is wide enough to admit all who sincerely seek to enter, for I am that door. And the Son will never refuse entrance to any child of the universe who, by faith, seeks to find the Father through the Son.

     

    More Jesus:

    147.3.3  Verily, verily, I say to you: He who hears the gospel of the kingdom and believes in this teaching of sonship with God, has eternal life; already are such believers passing from judgment and death to light and life. And the hour is coming in which even those who are in the tombs shall hear the voice of the resurrection.”

     

    The Book seems to indicate that a limited number survive, IMO.  But you could read some statements to indicate the possibility that more do make it.  I can see a scenario where many survive initially and then decide not to proceed because it will be a very, very, very long and arduous journey (how long is a topic for another post).

    Another thought… is it possible that many/some could survive and decide, because they realize….I now know for sure that Jesus is the Way, he is the ruler of this Local Universe…and I never did like him.

    The 200 Million noted on Jerusem cannot be easily dismissed, IMO.  Jerusem seems to be like the narrow point of a lop-sided hourglass.  Satania can be likened to a system or even (crudely) a process line on the small side of that hourglass.  Yes there can be large reservoirs of sleeping survivors in some areas….but taken as a whole, as a system…there is still the reality that at that one choke point where ascenders are released to proceed…the number of survivors seems very small.   And….established systems tend to normalize with infrequent excursions beyond the standard deviation at any point.

  12. The board is broken again. RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF ANOTHER REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION.  And yes, I am yelling this time.  This is very frustrating folks.  :-(

  13. Hmmm…. must be.  I put up a long post yesterday and do not see it.

  14. I saved posts from both of you, from yesterday. If you want copies, say so.

    Richard E Warren

  15. Also looking forward to the retrieval and post by Cole!!  Cole – suggest always copying post prior to “Submit”.  Also verify post is there before logging out.  Also, when my posts occasionally disappear, I’ll back-button TO my post-page and re-submit.  This happens time to time but the Mods will find your post and get it up soon…..

    Back to the topic:

    If we consider Jerusem as the lid on an upside-down squeeze-bottle (ketchup?) and we consider 200 million units of ascenders in that lid, we should consider the size of the bottle and how many units of ascenders it might hold.  There are many hints in the UB that might easily indicate the size of this jug is many hundreds of billions!!  Besides the 7 Mansion Worlds, there are 49 more spheres where ascenders reside.  Lots of text on the sizes of all these spheres….the satellites being the size of Urantia with 7 billion souls living on 5% or less of the surface here…consider no oceans, deserts, Antarctica, etc…..how many people would fit on our world if architectural?

    What if there are 10,000 ascenders per ascendant resident on Jerusem, then there would be 2,000,000,000,000 (2 trillion).  Back with text on support of such conjecture!!  Papers 45-48 are filled with very large numbers and capacities!

    47:0.1 (530.1) THE Creator Son, when on Urantia, spoke of the “many mansions in the Father’s universe.” In a certain sense, all fifty-six of the encircling worlds of Jerusem are devoted to the transitional culture of ascending mortals, but the seven satellites of world number one are more specifically known as the mansion worlds.

    45:0.1 (509.1) THE administrative center of Satania consists of a cluster of architectural spheres, fifty-seven in number — Jerusem itself, the seven major satellites, and the forty-nine subsatellites. Jerusem, the system capital, is almost one hundred times the size of Urantia, although its gravity is a trifle less. Jerusem’s major satellites are the seven transition worlds, each of which is about ten times as large as Urantia, while the seven subsatellites of these transition spheres are just about the size of Urantia.

    45:0.2 (509.2) The seven mansion worlds are the seven subsatellites of transition world number one.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  16. We are told there are “several million” Morontia Companions on MW1 (47:3.11 (534.3) and there is one MC per company of 1,000 ascenders (47:3.12 (534.4).  And there are “billions and billions” of Mansion World Teachers in Satania alone!!  And there are the Transition Ministers and the Morontia Progressors (unnumbered so far as I can tell…but many indeed!).

    I am quite skeptical of the mathematical formulas utilized by those who claim here that survival is a rare thing….even early in the Mortal Epochs but especially after the Son’s Spirit and the flood tides of TA’s are gifted to a world.

    And if there are 1 trillion (or more) survivors ON the Mansion Worlds or within the capital spheres of Satania – how many sleeping survivors remain in slumber?  Another 3-6 trillion?  All speculatively represented by 200 million ascendant residents of Jerusam.

    My math may be off by a great deal….but it is no more optimistic than the pessimism here of others!!

    And from whence might such pessimism come from?  Surely not the 5th Epochal Revelation of hope and faith in the love foundation of this friendly universe.  Pessimism in the future of any souls and any worlds is a peculiarly human trait.

    There are many students who take considerable time to discern the differences in that which brings survival of soul and that which is required for fusion and eternal standing….and it is that difference which is the very purpose of the Mansion Worlds!!!

    48:8.3 (558.1) The mortal-survival plan has a practical and serviceable objective; you are not the recipients of all this divine labor and painstaking training only that you may survive just to enjoy endless bliss and eternal ease. There is a goal of transcendent service concealed beyond the horizon of the present universe age. If the Gods designed merely to take you on one long and eternal joy excursion, they certainly would not so largely turn the whole universe into one vast and intricate practical training school, requisition a substantial part of the celestial creation as teachers and instructors, and then spend ages upon ages piloting you, one by one, through this gigantic universe school of experiential training. The furtherance of the scheme of mortal progression seems to be one of the chief businesses of the present organized universe, and the majority of innumerable orders of created intelligences are either directly or indirectly engaged in advancing some phase of this progressive perfection plan.

    ;-)

     

     

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  17. Hmmm…. must be.  I put up a long post yesterday and do not see it.

    Your post was lodged in the spam folder. Now it is at the top of this page.

    Cheers

  18. And from whence might such pessimism come from?  Surely not the 5th Epochal Revelation of hope and faith in the love foundation of this friendly universe.  Pessimism in the future of any souls and any worlds is a peculiarly human trait.

    That’s for sure.  I believe that almost everyone in our current era gets an opportunity to awaken on mansion world number one.  I agree there are some folks who let their souls die before physical death, but I strongly believe that number is very, very small. What happens after resurrection, I cannot say, but at least folks get the opportunity to know without guessing that eternal survival is possible.  As we live here on earth, we take this by faith.  Once a person wakes up in the resurrection chamber, equipped with a new mind to think with and friendly helpers whom they can see and hear, attitudes are bound to change.  Not all will want it, I’m sure; but I am sure  they will be given ample time and opportunities to ensure that the decision is with full knowledge and wholehearted.  I’m very optimistic about that.

     

  19. The Book seems to indicate that a limited number survive, IMO. But you could read some statements to indicate the possibility that more do make it.

    Those who hope for eternal life must necessarily have a very personal interest in the answer to the question: Will few or many survive? So, what would be the emotional consequences, if the Book actually gave us a definitive answer to this question? If survival is an inheritance to which every mortal is entitled by birth, wouldn’t most then feel that it is simply their due? Wouldn’t we reason that a half-hearted faith or even a fleeting flicker of faith is more than sufficient, since the infinite mercy of God will more than make up for any and all of our spiritual deficits, when we come before the Ancients of Days? If salvation is given in response to even “the thoughtless secularism of the man in the street,” who rarely if ever thinks about or seeks God, then what urgency should anyone feel to strive to obtain what is given to almost everyone?

    If, on the other hand, the Book informed us that only a few mortals have enough faith to merit survival, wouldn’t this be greatly discouraging? Wouldn’t most worry about the whether or not their faith is sufficient? In times past, this sort of eschatological belief has led to various debilitating forms of what has been called “salvation panic.” If salvation is only for those few “God-knowing creatures [who] have only one supreme ambition, just one consuming desire, and that is to become, as they are in their spheres, like him as he is in his Paradise perfection of personality and in his universal sphere of righteous supremacy,” (1:0.3) then who can really be certain they are truly worthy of salvation?

    It seems that neither Jesus nor the Book give a definite answer to this question, because they do not want to provoke either of these adverse emotions. They do not want to encourage either a thoughtless complacency or a mindless panic over the problem of salvation. Rather than responding directly to this question posed by the material intellect, they instead direct our attention toward the spiritual feeling of personal assurance in the soul which arises from a living and growing faith.

    Can you not advance in your concept of God’s dealing with man to that level where you recognize that the watchword of the universe is progress? (4:1.2)

     

  20. There is a lot to comment but will look at just a few points.  Like Mark, I do think that the ultimate number of survivors, at least at this point in time, could be small. And it could be that many will drop out along the way.  We are often told that the eternal journey is a long, long road (5.1.1).

    Regarding the 100 Million on Jerusem, Bradly gives the analogy of a ketchup bottle.  I like it…I had pictured an hourglass with one side inflated but I think his image is better.  The key is that if there are great numbers sleeping or otherwise “pent up”, Jerusem is apparently a significant constriction point for those leaving the system. Why, I don’t know.

    Bradly notes:

    We are told there are several million Morontia Companions on MW1 (47:3.11) (534.3) and there is one MC per company of 1,000 ascenders (47:3.12) (534.4).  And there are billions and billions of Mansion World Teachers in Satania alone!!  And there are the Transition Ministers and the Morontia Progressors (unnumbered so far as I can tell but many indeed!).

    I see that the quote says, “…there are several million on the morontia worlds of Satania.”  Let us assume that “several million” MCs is 5 million. I think most would agree that that is a reasonable estimate. I  saw where one online dictionary gave 4 or 5 as specific examples of “several”.  And, the MCs do apparently have other duties beyond being associate and guides.  If we have 5 million MCs, and we assign every one of them to guide a group of 1,000 unique ascenders, we would have something on the order of 5 billion ascenders under their tutelage/guidance on the Mansion-Morontia worlds of Satania. How long does the sojourn on these worlds last? We don’t know but IMO it could be a few thousand years….or somewhat less (this is quite speculative).  For some, e.g. Andon and Fonta, it could be much longer.

    Ultimately we get back to the average population at some point of time on each of the 619 inhabited worlds of the system (and then the total for all of the worlds therein). We are deemed a world slightly less than average in size yet our population now exceeds 7 billion.  Perhaps on a “normal” world with high-level guidance/communication this number would average out somewhere around 3 billion (but perhaps it would be 10 billion?).  We just don’t know.  Our world is unique, but obviously the population is increasing in this era.  But if 3 billion is a reasonable number, possibly a conservative estimate, we are looking at something on the order of 2 trillion mortals on the 619 (or more now) inhabited worlds of the system.  I’ll readily admit, this estimate is very speculative…but at the same time, I believe that there are some jumping off points provided by the book to get this ballpark estimate, or at least to get into the neighborhood.

    And then we have the question of how many of those that survive are sleeping?  I would argue that it really doesn’t make a lot of difference in the Satania morontia system as a whole – over time.  The morontia system is “fed” by the regular input of these persons from various worlds, so that over time, “normal” system conditions (counts) will prevail (and we are dealing with a great amount of time, at least from our mortal prospective).  Assume that our local system is like a large university system that receives students.  In the Fall, they get students in large groups. In other periods of the year, they will pick up smaller additions.  When averaged out over time, the university system maintains a fairly stable student population within any major or college that will rarely exceed…..say 2 standard deviations.

    If 200 million persons is an average mansion-morontia world population for Jerusem and this number is extrapolated to each of the 49 worlds, the system typically holds about 10 billion persons in “active process”. The population for the sleeping survivor population at any time is difficult to evaluate.  IF this population is 100 billion (10X the 49 morontia world population)….and the total living population of the 619 worlds is on the order of 2 trillion persons, we have an initial survival rate in the ballpark area of 5%.

    I will readily admit, all of this is speculation.  But even if the survival rate is doubled or tripled, it is still (probably) relatively small.  Now all of that will slowly change for the better as our system moves further into Light and Life.  Survival numbers will increase.  In a manner of speaking, the individual world survival rate history probably roughly mimics the system survival rate (with Urantia exceptions for our special issues). On our planet, most mortals did not receive a TA until after Pentecost and the bestowal of the Spirit of Truth (108.2.3).  For most of the past 1 million years, survival rates must have been very small, probably mostly due to the absence of these spiritual influences.  Now that is slowly improving.  We are told that evolution is a very effective method for achieving true growth.

    In closing, I consider myself an “eternal” optimist. I just think that, realistically, the numbers that survive at this early time in the history of Satania (and certainly on our planet) are not large.   And we must recognize the reality of that….it is the way the evolutionary plan works – things improve over time.  And thus, the numbers will grow as we and other system worlds evolve.  At some very distant time, Urantia, and indeed the whole system, will see a survival rate of 100%.

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