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The "Document"

213 posts · 16 participants · started Dec 31, 2016, 9:21 PM

  1. Gene wrote:  In either case if I misread this quote, humans have an urge to organize, make government, control, unify, have agreed upon goals, etc etc where do you think this urge comes from?

    Mind always strives for unity, in fact, it is unity.

    111:2.1   Throughout the mind functions of cosmic intelligence, the totality of mind is dominant over the parts of intellectual function. Mind, in its essence, is functional unity; therefore does mind never fail to manifest this constitutive unity, even when hampered and hindered by the unwise actions and choices of a misguided self. And this unity of mind invariably seeks for spirit co-ordination on all levels of its association with selves of will dignity and ascension prerogatives.

    And personal mind is indwelt by the source of Unity itself which provides the focus of mind-spirit coordination.

    133:7.7 Ideas are not simply a record of sensations; ideas are sensations plus the reflective interpretations of the personal self; and the self is more than the sum of one’s sensations. There begins to be something of an approach to unity in an evolving selfhood, and that unity is derived from the indwelling presence of a part of absolute unity which spiritually activates such a self-conscious animal-origin mind.

  2. Dear Bonita,

    Your reply to this topic landed in the spam folder yesterday.  I found it there and moved it here today.  Sorry about the glitch.

    Moderator-1

  3. I find this reference, indicating the unpredictability of mind, somewhat revealing to me of the fact of free will choice enjoyed even by the citizens of Havona.  I bring it forward to compare this to our own free will and to point to the unpredictability of human mind and personality volition we’re endowed with.

    14:2.9[Part I]
    Havona is a spiritually perfect and physically stable universe. The control and balanced stability of the central universe appear to be perfect. Everything physical or spiritual is perfectly predictable, but mind phenomena and personality volition are not. We do infer that sin can be reckoned as impossible of occurrence, but we do this on the ground that the native freewill creatures of Havona have never been guilty of transgressing the will of Deity. Through all eternity these supernal beings have been consistently loyal to the Eternals of Days. Neither has sin appeared in any creature who has entered Havona as a pilgrim. There has never been an instance of misconduct by any creature of any group of personalities ever created in, or admitted to, the central Havona universe. So perfect and so divine are the methods and means of selection in the universes of time that never in the records of Havona has an error occurred; no mistakes have ever been made; no ascendant soul has ever been prematurely admitted to the central universe.
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    We are not predictable in how we use our prerogatives of choice, even we who are Urantialanders.

     118:7.7   Subpersonal living things indicate mind activating energy-matter, first as physical controllers, and then as adjutant mind-spirits. Personality endowment comes from the Father and imparts unique prerogatives of choice to the living system. But if personality has the prerogative of exercising volitional choice of reality identification, and if this is a true and free choice, then must evolving personality also have the possible choice of becoming self-confusing, self-disrupting, and self-destroying. The possibility of cosmic self-destruction cannot be avoided if the evolving personality is to be truly free in the exercise of finite will.

    I interpret the remarks of the person or persons who wrote the document referred to in this topic as not credible for the reason that those remarks incite fear.  Those remarks are completely goofball in my opinion, but those people have the gift of free will choice and personality volition, and I cannot think of any human way to prevent anyone from saying or writing anything they want relative the the UB.  I do think people will say and write all kinds of fanciful things about the book.  Free will in action.

  4. Hi Folks,

    I’m a little late to join this discussion, but I only just today received a copy of the “Document” claimed to be authored by the Midwayer Commission  and sent out by Nick Scalzo about a year ago.  It proposes a solution to the disunity which has been going on between the three major Urantia organizations:  Urantia Foundation, Urantia Book Fellowship, and Urantia Association International.  That solution (simply paraphrased by me) is that the Foundation  could reinstate the Urantia Brotherhood and both the Fellowship and the UAI could merge into the Brotherhood so that there would once again be one social organization of Urantia Book enthusiasts.

    Regardless of what I believe about the authenticity of authorship of this document, I do love this “solution,” and I hope that someday we can have a united brotherhood of Urantia Book readers in one organization, just as our primary and secondary cousins joined together into the United Midwayers of Urantia.  I remember the Urantia Brotherhood from the “good old days,” and while it had its problems, I think it was a wonderful organization.  It grieves me to see my dear Urantia brothers and sisters divided into two groups, and I can’t help but feel deep within that Jesus would prefer us to all get along and work together as one and in one social organization, as the Urantia Brotherhood was originally devised.  I hope that we’ll be able to catch the news about Urantia’s continuing evolution when we are on the Mansion Worlds, because I know UB readers are going to have to come together in unity sooner or later…it just doesn’t look like it’s going to happen in my lifetime, I’m sad to say.

    However, the reason I am writing at this late date is because I didn’t know if those of you interested in this topic have seen Carolyn Kendall’s article which she wrote back in the mid-1990s, when the fighting was at its worse.  I tried to attach it here…hope it worked.  She quotes some of the apocryphal statements that Dr. Sadler and his son had read to Forum members back before the book was published, and so you will see where so many ideas in the Nick Scalzo document really come from the early plans, thinking, and supposed revelatory statements made back in Dr. Sadler’s time.

    By the way, I have known Nick personally for many years and he is not involved with the Teaching Mission nor, to my knowledge, has he ever been.  Whether his personal experiences are truly spiritual or just psychological, I can’t say, but I can tell you that I love him as a brother and I respect him as a person who truly loves God and sincerely wants to do His will.

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  5. Thank you Joy, for sharing with us Carolyn Kendall’s writing. Posting it led me to print it out as well as the other “Document” posted originally which I must confess I didn’t print out and read in its entirety before.

    Now that I’ve read both, many things have come to light. I see much better what the purpose of the Urantia Book is, better than I’ve ever imagined in fact. How there’s a great distinction between what the revelators intend for the individual “personally” and all mankind “institutionally” the Urantia movement institutions that don’t exist that is, but should, as intended and planned by the revelators.

    It also has helped me to understand and “see” what’s going on in these forums and why.

    Thanks again.

    Enno

  6. Hi Van and thanks for your reply.  I really don’t know what to make of all this apochraphal stuff associated with the Urantia Book.  Especially it was surprising to me to read in Carolyn Kendall’s paper that supposedly there had been continuous contact with higher spiritual beings up until the 80’s (which I assume means up until Christy died).  It is my understanding that all of that “how to run a revelation” information that had been printed up and read to the forum members by Dr. Sadler and his son was supposed to be burned, and Carolyn even mentions this in her paper, and that Christy burned a bunch of it before she died.  I also went to Chicago and spoke to some old forum folks when there were still a few who were alive, and at least two of them told me that the contact had been cut off back in the 1940s.  The statement was, “You’re on your own.”

    And personally, I believe that indeed, we are on our own in terms of the human activities associated with the Urantia Book.  Just like humans were left to work out the details of spreading the fourth epochal revelation after Jesus left, so also I believe we are to work out the details of spreading this fifth epochal revelation.  I just wish we could all get together and do this as a united effort, in one social organization, and quit the bickering.  But alas, it appears that we are still so darn human, with our suspicions of each other, our upsets, blaming, and self-righteous feelings.  Oh well.  It’s a long road to Paradise and sooner or later we’ll all start loving and respecting each other and learning how to work together — even among fellow Urantia Book lovers.

  7. I just wish we could all get together and do this as a united effort, in one social organization, and quit the bickering. But alas, it appears that we are still so darn human, with our suspicions of each other, our upsets, blaming, and self-righteous feelings. Oh well. It’s a long road to Paradise and sooner or later we’ll all start loving and respecting each other and learning how to work together — even among fellow Urantia Book lovers.

    A Urantia church is what you are suggesting?

    Ouch!

     

  8. Hi Nelsong, and thanks for your reply.

    No, I’m not much of a church person, and it’s my belief that the Urantia Book is here to uplift all religions, not simply be another church. However, I would very much like to see the UAI and the Urantia Book Fellowship join together once again in one organization. That is what I was referring to.

     

  9. Greetings Joy!!

    Welcome.  I hope you will join other discussions here and bring your voice and perspective to the Forum.

    As to the document, I pretty well exhausted my own view of it and its earlier version/precursor known as The One More Mile compilation which Nick authored over several years.  Only with the latest version did Nick begin his claims of celestial authorship and authority to deliver the demands, deadlines, and threats now credited to or blamed on celestials.  Funny metamorphosis that whole thing.  Spiritual pride is a difficult entanglement that no one is immune to or so it seems.

    Anyway, as to your hopes for a united and invigorated readership organization, you are certainly not alone.  A reading of this entire thread might encourage you in your aspirations as there has been a steadily growing cooperation between the Fellowship and Association and there are many ideals and objectives shared in common.  Evolutionary, experiential, and patient progress is likely to continue over time.  Resentments most often die with those who cling to them….if not before!

    Anyway, now happens to be the most exciting time in the movement’s history in my humble opinion.  Lots going on around the world and lots to do for those with a shoulder to put to the wheel and willing to do so.  Truly amazing!

    Best wishes to you on the pilgrim’s path to Paradise!

    Bradly  = )

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  10. The main thing is that we become in time, a living example of brotherhood and friendship, of men and women, filled with the fruits of the spirit and that it becomes contagious for the whole world. (Especially for youth)

    Are we the result of our actions?

    Jesus did more in a few years of ministry than his disciples in more than two thousand years.

    May Jesus be the unifying model for the realization of the era of light and life on earth.

    In Unicity.

    Samuel

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    In French:

    Le principal est que nous devenions dans le temps, un exemple vivant de fraternité et d’amitié, d’hommes et de femmes, remplie des fruits de l’esprit et que cela devienne contagieux pour le monde entier. (Surtout pour la jeunesse)

    Sommes-nous le résultat de nos actions ?

    Jésus à fait plus en quelques années de ministère que ses disciples en plus de deux mille ans.

    C’est pour cela que ; Puisse Jésus être le modèle unificateur pour la concrétisation de l’ère de lumière et de vie sur terre.

    En Unicité.

    Samuel

     

    Friendship enhances joys, glorifies the triumphs of life and fidelity is a treasure of the soul.

  11. Let’s not be afraid!!!!! ;-)

    Creating a new religion has become outdated and useless.

    The younger generations are increasingly turning away from religious institutions.

    Whether it’s the old or the new!

    Because more and more intelligent they judge trees by their fruits.

    When the sterility of audiovisual relations, materialism and selfishness are understood, the younger generations will feel the need to live true fraternity.

    In thoughts, feelings and actions for the construction of an ideal world.

    For religion, the true religion, is the indispensable source of the higher energy that drives men to establish a higher civilization based on human brotherhood. (LU/79 :4.9)

    Everything in us in the Love of God.

    Samuel

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    In French:

    N’ayons pas peur !!!

    Créer une nouvelle religion est devenue démodé et inutile.

    Les jeunes générations se détournent de plus en plus des institutions religieuses.

    Que ce sois les anciennes ou les nouvelles !

    Car de plus en plus intelligentes elles jugent les arbres à leurs fruits.

    Lorsque la stérilité des relations audio-visuelles, du matérialisme et de l’égoïsme sera comprise, les jeunes générations ressentiront le besoin de vivre la vraie fraternité.

    En pensées, en sentiments et en actions pour la construction d’un monde idéal.

    Car la religion, la vraie, est la source indispensable de l’énergie supérieure qui pousse les hommes à établir une civilisation supérieure fondée sur la fraternité humaine. (LU/79 :4.9)

    Tout en nous en l’Amour de Dieu.

    Samuel

    Friendship enhances joys, glorifies the triumphs of life and fidelity is a treasure of the soul.

  12. G’day,

    24 hours ago searching a different point of view for a friend whom receive “the document.

    I happily found out, you have laid 11 pages. 3 on the subject and 8 pros and cons.

    Registry of such subjects are essentials when an honest soul are looking to take a stand. Always prudence is at stake when has you said we are at a carrefour. Michaël is there and point the direction.

    I”ll not engage debating personnals point of views. Just pinpoint TUB reveal to us Urantians “… good or bad everything work for ours own good.” … I’am not pessimist regarding time ahead of us it repose in the hands of God. It’s God’s plans. Not humans or”celestial entity”.The Most High Fathers rule on the kingdom of men.

    Bonita sign and underline a sound input to not paid attention to stubborn wander souls. It show, she red and retain this wise mature advice.

    So do I.

    In brotherhood,

    André

     

  13. The Urantia book will likely take a millennium to fully understand and incorporate into the majority of humanity along with its transformative philosophy, science and religion.

    The framework for an ideal world is and has been among us for almost 245 years. Likely at least part of the reason the revelation is in English.

    indoctrinated and uneducated youth will likely need to do much damage before self righteousness is purged from their minds. Getting past the 6th Adjutant seems to get much more difficult with the demise of any kind of a religious background/upbringing.

    the vast majority of the garbage I read on social media’s are from people who know they are right, very Luciferian.

    I’ve already given my opinion about the document.

  14. I hope that the Urantian brotherhood will not wait 1000 years to organize concrete ideas of selfless and altruistic services in society.

    There are countless useful and constructive ideas for yourself and others.

    In humanitarian and social work!

    This must be one of the main objectives for the realization of social fraternity in our world.

    Be living examples of what we believe in.

    This is the emerging factor of a superior civilization based on human brotherhood!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyA4ScSogVQ

    Let me ask you this: Are you able to drink the cup I’m about to drink?

    (LU/171:0.5)

    Jesus our model!

    That’s my prayer. :good:

    Samuel

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    In French :

    J’espère que la fraternité Urantienne n’attendra pas 1000 ans pour organiser des idées concrètes de services désintéressés et altruistes dans la société.

    Il y à d’innombrables idées utiles et constructives pour soi-même et pour les autres.

    Dans l’humanitaire et l’action sociale!

    Cela doit faire partie des objectifs principaux pour la réalisation de la fraternité sociale sur notre monde.

    Etre des exemples vivants de ce en quoi nous croyons.

    Voilà le facteur émergent  d’une civilisation supérieure fondée sur la fraternité humaine !

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyA4ScSogVQ

    Laissez-moi vous demander ceci : Êtes-vous capables de boire la coupe que je suis sur le point de boire ?
    (LU/171:0.5)

    Jésus notre modèle !

    C’est ma prière. :good:

    Samuel

    Friendship enhances joys, glorifies the triumphs of life and fidelity is a treasure of the soul.

  15. In our cities, people must say, we have seen the Urantian Brotherhood and readers of The Urantia Book do humanitarian service and social action in groups.

    There is no better way to enrich each other, enrich others and positively promote the Urantia Book.

    Samuel ;-)

    Friendship enhances joys, glorifies the triumphs of life and fidelity is a treasure of the soul.

  16. I have been so inspired for over 40 years by the many thousands of dedicated and loyal and sincere volunteers who have worked so tirelessly and creatively and effectively to serve all of humanity by demonstrating how to join together and organize such an amazing and fruitful and global dissemination of this Revelation.  What could serve a world more than delivery of epochal revelation I wonder?  Such an example of fraternal cooperation and dedication to a common ideal by true servants joined together by love of others and God within for 100 years, generation after generation.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  17. Liberty and love are spiritual words.

    being spiritual, they are also inherently a double edged sword and good as well as bad can result from their experience.

    take for example Christians, who over the centuries, courageously/sincerely used their love to spread the word and convert believers. How many people, nations and governments were hurt by this love?? Even Jesus gospel was hurt.

    lucifer really/sincerely believed he was doing the right thing excerising unbridled liberty.

    One point to consider is that we think that we know right from wrong and from a circumscribed viewpoint we may be right but from a cosmic evolutionary viewpoint we may be wrong.

    it is not so easy to get past that 6th Adjutant but it may be easier to imagine that we have. From paper 54: “Even wisdom is divine and safe only when it is cosmic in scope and spiritual in motivation.“

    I believe the 5th revelation opens a cosmic window for us so that we have a technique to help visualize eternity from a finite perspective, opening the door to possibly viewing our existence from a cosmic top down as opposed to bottom up perspective, where wisdom is hiding.

  18. I’ve always wondered about this quote:

    140:5.3 Jesus did not expect his followers to achieve an impossible manifestation of brotherly love, but he did expect them to so strive to be like God — to be perfect even as the Father in heaven is perfect — that they could begin to look upon man as God looks upon his creatures and therefore could begin to love men as God loves them — to show forth the beginnings of a fatherly affection. In the course of these exhortations to the twelve apostles, Jesus sought to reveal this new concept of fatherly love as it is related to certain emotional attitudes concerned in making numerous environmental social adjustments.

    What do you think?  Is brotherly love part of the “Urantian Brotherhood”?  Or is the “Urantian Brotherhood” something else?  I think it’s a church, which is fine, but it may or may not be part of the brotherhood of man which requires brotherly love.  The quote says brotherly love is not possible, at least not possible in this current age as I understand it.

  19. At the individual level of spiritual progression, this can correspond to the consecration of choice.
    The creature’s choice being added to God’s choice.
    The Urantia Book, page 2095 – §1.
    Thank you for sharing.
    Samuel :-)

    Friendship enhances joys, glorifies the triumphs of life and fidelity is a treasure of the soul.

  20. I’ve never thought of the movement or organizations to be a church or religion myself.  Some have and do but they mostly resented all the resistance to and rejection by the vast majority of those readers who do not support the exclusionary format and isolationist results of those who seek to convince and convert.  The organizations have each and all intentionally avoided any such structure or perception for 65 years now.

     

    There is love and service and teamwork felt and expressed by those in the movement,  both within the readership as a group but also certainly in community .  Many in the movement still attend and belong to churches of congregation and denominations of tradition .

     

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

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