The "Document"

213 posts · 16 participants · started Dec 31, 2016, 9:21 PM

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   samuelParticipant
   Mar 27, 2019, 5:28 AM

   Good morning to all of you,
   To be a little less vague in my conclusion;
   I am not criticizing the “service of diffusion and translation” of the fifth revelation, The Urantia Book.
   In addition, thank you to all the volunteers and generous donors who help us achieve this goal.
   I say that in the brotherhood of believers of the fifth revelation, we can find tools and techniques for ever more fraternal and active service.
   For the progressive and concrete realization of the era of light and life on Earth.
   No doubt it already exists and so much the better!
   To be more and more living and active examples of what we believe.
   For that, there are examples and ideas to be taken everywhere.
   Thank you for your brotherhood.
   Samuel

   Friendship enhances joys, glorifies the triumphs of life and fidelity is a treasure of the soul.

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   MaraParticipant
   Mar 27, 2019, 3:01 PM

   samuel wrote:

   Good morning to all of you, To be a little less vague in my conclusion; I am not criticizing the “service of diffusion and translation” of the fifth revelation, The Urantia Book. In addition, thank you to all the volunteers and generous donors who help us achieve this goal. I say that in the brotherhood of believers of the fifth revelation, we can find tools and techniques for ever more fraternal and active service. For the progressive and concrete realization of the era of light and life on Earth. No doubt it already exists and so much the better! To be more and more living and active examples of what we believe. For that, there are examples and ideas to be taken everywhere. Thank you for your brotherhood. Samuel

   Yes, there are examples and ideas to be taken everywhere.

   92:7.3  The many religions of Urantia are all good to the extent that they bring man to God and bring the realization of the Father to man. It is a fallacy for any group of religionists to conceive of their creed as The Truth; such attitudes bespeak more of theological arrogance than of certainty of faith. There is not a Urantia religion that could not profitably study and assimilate the best of the truths contained in every other faith, for all contain truth. Religionists would do better to borrow the best in their neighbors’ living spiritual faith rather than to denounce the worst in their lingering superstitions and outworn rituals.

    

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   samuelParticipant
   Mar 27, 2019, 4:58 PM

   Yes, Mara,
   We are not abandoned, there is also the planetary government of the Seraphim, the midwayers and the reserve corps of fate.

   “Urantia mortals should not allow the comparative spiritual isolation of their world from certain circuits of the local universe to produce a sense of cosmic desertion or planetary orphanage. There is on the planet a very precise and effective superhuman supervision of world affairs and human destinies.” (The Urantia Book/File 114:7.14, page 1258)

   It is a very good subject for study and sharing.

   Samuel

   Friendship enhances joys, glorifies the triumphs of life and fidelity is a treasure of the soul.

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   GeneParticipant
   Mar 27, 2019, 10:40 PM

   Being the only reader of the Urantia revelation on an island inhabited by people mostly of the Bahi faith, introducing people to the book is a challenge.

   Im not certain how I would approach it given similar circumstances.

   here among Christian majority I have little if any success.

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   samuelParticipant
   Mar 28, 2019, 3:16 AM

   Hello Gene and all of you,

   There are approximately 852,924 inhabitants on Reunion Island.

   The Bahá’ís (Bahá’í Faith) have been present on Reunion Island since 1953, there are more than a thousand of them.

   The history of the main Reunion Island religions is closely linked to the history of the island’s immigrants. The French arrived with Catholicism and brought slaves from animist black Africa. The church of the time allowed slavery on condition that slaves were baptized. The latter therefore found themselves Christians. Then come the Indians and the Chinese, with Taoism, Hinduism and Islam. All these religions coexist, mix and there is no fundamentalism. An inter-religious dialogue group was created in 2000 and testifies to the exchanges that can take place between the different communities.

   – number of Catholics: 450,000
   – number of Muslims: 70,000
   – number of Hindus: 30,000
   – number of Protestants: 30,000 (among the Protestants, there are 20,000 members of “salvation and healing” which is the Reunionese branch of the Protestant Pentecostal movement)
   – number of Buddhists: much less but there are some.
   – number of Jews: much less, but there are some.
   – sectarian groups: there are a number of them, but not with a significant number of followers.

   ( 2003 figures)

   If you can translate, check this link:

   https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_%C3%A0_La_R%C3%A9union

   With God nothing is impossible!

   Samuel

   Friendship enhances joys, glorifies the triumphs of life and fidelity is a treasure of the soul.

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   samuelParticipant
   Mar 30, 2019, 3:21 AM

   “In winning souls for the Master, it is not the first mile of compulsion, duty, or convention that will transform man and his world, but rather the second mile of free service and liberty-loving devotion that betokens the Jesusonian reaching forth to grasp his brother in love and sweep him on under spiritual guidance toward the higher and divine goal of mortal existence. Christianity even now willingly goes the first mile, but mankind languishes and stumbles along in moral darkness because there are so few genuine second-milers—so few professed followers of Jesus who really live and love as he taught his disciples to live and love and serve.” (Le livre d’Urantia/Fascicule 195: 10.5, page 2084)

   “If the Christian church would only dare to espouse the Master’s program, thousands of apparently indifferent youths would rush forward to enlist in such a spiritual undertaking, and they would not hesitate to go all the way through with this great adventure.”(Le livre d’Urantia/Fascicule 195:10.10, page 2085)

   “Jesus does not require his disciples to believe in him but rather to believe withhim, believe in the reality of the love of God and in full confidence accept the security of the assurance of sonship with the heavenly Father. The Master desires that all his followers should fully share his transcendent faith. Jesus most touchingly challenged his followers, not only to believe what he believed, but also to believe as he believed. This is the full significance of his one supreme requirement, “Follow me.” (Le livre d’Urantia/Fascicule 196: 0.13, 2089)

   Great weekend

   Samuel

   Friendship enhances joys, glorifies the triumphs of life and fidelity is a treasure of the soul.

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   samuelParticipant
   Mar 30, 2019, 3:30 AM

   “In winning souls for the Master, it is not the first mile of compulsion, duty, or convention that will transform man and his world, but rather the second mile of free service and liberty-loving devotion that betokens the Jesusonian reaching forth to grasp his brother in love and sweep him on under spiritual guidance toward the higher and divine goal of mortal existence. Christianity even now willingly goes the first mile, but mankind languishes and stumbles along in moral darkness because there are so few genuine second-milers—so few professed followers of Jesus who really live and love as he taught his disciples to live and love and serve.” (Le livre d’Urantia/Fascicule 195: 10.5, page 2084)

   “If the Christian church would only dare to espouse the Master’s program, thousands of apparently indifferent youths would rush forward to enlist in such a spiritual undertaking, and they would not hesitate to go all the way through with this great adventure.”(Le livre d’Urantia/Fascicule 195:10.10, page 2085)

   “Jesus does not require his disciples to believe in him but rather to believe withhim, believe in the reality of the love of God and in full confidence accept the security of the assurance of sonship with the heavenly Father. The Master desires that all his followers should fully share his transcendent faith. Jesus most touchingly challenged his followers, not only to believe what he believed, but also to believe as he believed. This is the full significance of his one supreme requirement, “Follow me.” (Le livre d’Urantia/Fascicule 196: 0.13, 2089)

   Great weekend

   Samuel

   Friendship enhances joys, glorifies the triumphs of life and fidelity is a treasure of the soul.

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   BradlyParticipant
   Mar 30, 2019, 4:49 PM

   Service is a great topic.

    

   Still wondering why this particular topic has been refreshed?

   We are taught that churches and religion should not be social services organizations or political reform institutions.  Churches and religion and religious experiences always result in certain outcomes of people serving others and becoming effective citizens.

   What was “the Master’s program”?  It was not to create a new church I do not think.  It was to transform the each to then deliver global transformation.

    

   "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

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   BonitaParticipant
   Mar 30, 2019, 5:20 PM

   Bradly wrote:

   What was “the Master’s program”?

   Do you mean, “What IS the Master’s program”?  He’s not dead.  No need to speak of him in the past tense.

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    BradlyParticipant
    Mar 30, 2019, 5:29 PM

    Good catch.  My mistake.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

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    samuelParticipant
    Mar 31, 2019, 5:44 AM

    You don’t have to be suspicious.
    When a newcomer arrives on a discussion forum and delves into the various topics.
    It is normal that some subjects encourage him to share his point of view.
    Samuel

    Friendship enhances joys, glorifies the triumphs of life and fidelity is a treasure of the soul.

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    samuelParticipant
    Mar 31, 2019, 6:13 AM

    Bill expresses what I mean better than I do!

    https://www.urantia.org/bill-sadler-talks/spreading-urantia-book

    Samuel

    Friendship enhances joys, glorifies the triumphs of life and fidelity is a treasure of the soul.

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    BradlyParticipant
    Mar 31, 2019, 1:08 PM

    Samuel – I’m not at all suspicious.   You’re most welcome here and to contribute to or inquire about any topic you wish.  I said I am curious why you chose this topic and still wondering what your opinions are related to The Document.  Curiosity is hardly suspicion.

    I really enjoyed the presentation by Bill on sharing the teachings, which does offer support for several points I have raised here in opposition to the Document/Treatise.   Thanks for the link.  I remain curious as to your opinions and point of view regarding this topic you chose to refresh, considering all the many options available for sharing your point of view.  There must be something about this specific discussion that caught your interest?

    I am very glad you are here sharing your voice.  Thanks.

    

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

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