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The "Document"

213 posts · 16 participants · started Dec 31, 2016, 9:21 PM

BradlyParticipant
Jan 1, 2017, 5:16 PM
Greetings Midi!!

No…I have no clue as to the channeler/author and have no reason to believe it is not Nick….but the grammar has changed from a year ago to 6 months ago…it’s improved somewhat….and the actual “message” has changed in form to more directly attribute itself to channeled voices, etc. and gained in its claims of “authority”.

The person who attempted to recruit me….and then vilify me….is also unknown really as I am sure his multiple email addresses and names used in his many messages to me are not attributable due to aliases, multiple ones. If the initials W.S. mean anything to you, that appears, by my research the most likely name….and I am sure his location is Florida and he has quite an email address “book”. There were 3-4 of us on UBRON that “made” the “list” and we were blasted personally to this person’s “flock”. I’ve not blocked him/her/them just for the entertainment value and to keep my scout’s ear to the ground. Your description does fit however, as does Bonita’s general “diagnosis”.

Gene – so glad you are here Brother…your voice is always so tender and kind and on-point on multiple issues…thank you.

Bonita – yes, I may be contributing to the making of a mountain out of a mole hill. In this case, though, I ignored the Treatise of a year ago and did not publicize its reception, warnings, demands, or my reply. But lately, there is an effort by someone to go-public and stir up trouble and old resentments in some. Unfortunately, IMO, it comes at a time when much progress in unity has been achieved and is at hand and this BS is an unwelcome insertion with unfortunate timing. But more importantly, the New England group of readers Nick was once a member of and now Benjamin’s study group have been confused and alarmed and upset by this recent effort.

I am done with the specific document now…but for any who feel discombobulated by the general issue of channeling and false claims of sainthood or priestly status and what the Papers teach about that, I am willing to continue or take up the discussion any time.

Thanks to all who have joined in and may yet do so….newer readers/students need access to voices of reason, experience, and scholarship related to the UB and all related issues. Peace.

Bradly

"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
GeneParticipant
Jan 1, 2017, 5:32 PM
It is clear enough to me that the Urania revelation at least in this day and age has maximum value for the individual and a church of Urania is not an option.

individuals grow and help their brothers and sisters grow. It’s a slow process that should not be hurried and I believe these channelers mentioned are trying to short circuit a process for sometimes less than altruistic motivation – repeating history.

Maybe we should have more faith in the Most Highs
BonitaParticipant
Jan 1, 2017, 5:51 PM

Bradly wrote:

Unfortunately, IMO, it comes at a time when much progress in unity has been achieved and is at hand and this BS is an unwelcome insertion with unfortunate timing.

Well duh!!! When do brats act up the most? When they’re not getting the attention they want. If all the attention is going toward something going well, breaking through into the light, the more clamor there is from the dark side. The better job you do, the louder the screaming to pay attention to the little-tittle over there in the crib of crying babies. That’s the way it always is and will be for a long time to come – in religion, in politics and in even in your own household sometimes. The louder they scream, the less it should bother you . . . unless it’s your own kid, then you’ve got work to do. I’m guessing the TUB community is like one of your kids, so you feel like it’s your problem. I don’t feel that way at all, but people are different, with different talents and different callings.

I was just visiting the Serara Forum. Found it when looking up Fred F. Harris, Jr., the author of the Correcting Time. What a load of cow pies! I see Brooklyn Born is there, and maybe some others from this forum. I’m telling you, the better you get at doing your business, the crazier the cuckoo crowd gets . . . just sayin’ Hilarious!
Mark KurtzParticipant
Jan 1, 2017, 5:56 PM
Gene,

Most certainly “more faith in the Most Highs”! Agree, and more faith in the real Providence, the Father, our Universe Father and Mother and all loyal ones throughout. I would not recommend or approve any short circuitous efforts by any being less than omniscient. Have a few mortals here forgotten we are not omniscient?
Jesus’ life model does not promote or admire any short circuit style—he deferred always to his Father’s will.

Thank you to all who stand guard against fallacious promotions re The Urantia Book Revelation.
AnonymousInactive
Jan 1, 2017, 5:58 PM

Gene wrote:

It is clear enough to me that the Urania revelation at least in this day and age has maximum value for the individual and a church of Urania is not an option.

One must take into account that the only reason for there to be a so called “church” or “Religion” based on the Urantia Book, is primarily for tax deferment. Not to mention that once a “religion” would be established, this would allow individuals to associate as ministers to this religion, thereby obtaining a deferred tax status to any so-called church associated to that religion. It so happens that the individual who I have aforementioned as a principle to this movement has had IRS issues which are most likely do to mismanagement or public notification of current multiple non-profit corporations established, where donations must be documented, thereby being in violation of tax law.

Therefore, it always seems to boil down to money and profits, which seem to foster power to those who would pray on innocent and vulnerable persons looking to believe and or be a part of something, as they say, out of this world. It just so happens that the Urantia Book, is prime material for just such deceptive ventures.
Van AmadonParticipant
Jan 1, 2017, 6:06 PM

Bonita wrote:

Yeah, I had one of those lost souls in my house as an overnight guest back in the early 2000’s. My entire family caught on immediately to the obvious fact that this person was living in LahLah Land. He was genteel and gracious, but full of baloney, and we all could see it without any effort at all. He left disheartened because his talks with me ended up unraveling his line of thinking. Never heard from any of them again. But I swear, I was very nice and listened to everything he said and was truly interested . . . honest . . . no joke. It was just that only a few things he said sounded true, the rest was confused beyond belief. He had a good heart and an honest soul, but a mixed up mind, sorry to say . . . totally twisted around into a pretzel.

Funny Bonita, this sounds like a description of Rexford. You remember him don’t you? Is he still your house guest?
AnonymousInactive
Jan 1, 2017, 6:11 PM

Bonita wrote:

I was just visiting the Serara Forum. Found it when looking up Fred F. Harris, Jr., the author of the Correcting Time. What a load of cow pies! I see Brooklyn Born is there, and maybe some others from this forum. I’m telling you, the better you get at doing your business, the crazier the cuckoo crowd gets . . . just sayin’ Hilarious!

Remember what they say: “Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.” So, don’t be surprised who you will find on various web forums. As you may already be aware of Bonita.
BonitaParticipant
Jan 1, 2017, 6:35 PM

VanAmadon wrote:

Funny Bonita, this sounds like a description of Rexford. You remember him don’t you? Is he still your house guest?

Funny you should mention Rexford. Whatever happened to him? He was a voice of reason, that’s for sure. He probably got tired of the bullying over at TB. You know, the troll lives there . . .

Is who still my house guest? The fellow from Florida? No, he stayed two days on his trip from Florida. He told me he had stop overs with people who were part of, or interested in, the “correcting time” all the way up the east coast. He was a ski instructor and worked the winter months in the upper northeast. That was something like 15 or 16 years ago. He must have stayed with at least a half-dozen or more people along the way, as he explained it. He was like a nomad, no real home base. I think Fred gave him work to do in the summer down in Florida and then he acted as his ambassador on his road trips the rest of the year. Wonder what happened to him. Can’t be sure I remember his name, but I think it was Michael. I remember thinking at the time, what a great name for a man with that job. He was sincere, that I’ll say.
BonitaParticipant
Jan 1, 2017, 6:39 PM

MidiChlorian wrote:

So, don’t be surprised who you will find on various web forums.

So I’m guessing you’re there too . Wouldn’t surprise me. What name are you using there?
GeneParticipant
Jan 1, 2017, 6:54 PM
Ok, I did find two documents from John. One is copyrighted the other is not

title of other is:

“the following excerps by Machiventa Melchizedek, planetary prince of Urania are an introduction to the autobiography by the apostle John.”

(spell checker caught me and changed introduction to intriguing fiction – how cool is that)

anyway, its 10 pages and not copyrighted so I feel ok about posting it if anyone is interested.

Must learn how to get it from paper to different digital something.
AnonymousInactive
Jan 1, 2017, 7:20 PM

Bonita wrote:

So I’m guessing you’re there too . Wouldn’t surprise me. What name are you using there?

If I were there it wouldn’t be different then it is here, but you need to get the spelling correct, for “”, its an Anglo-saxon name originally spelled as “”, but I don’t fault you because I found that name randomly printed in H. P. Blavatsky’s book, “The Secret Doctrine” second volume, page 454, where I wondered who this was, and because there was no listing to whom this referred too. I was able to determine that he was a student of my great-great-grand-father, from my fathers, mothers side of the family. I wouldn’t have researched this hadn’t it been for you insistence of using it. So, thanks. The original spelling is noted in their usage in the Books of Enoch, which I am very familiar with.
Van AmadonParticipant
Jan 1, 2017, 7:42 PM
Using different monikers in different forums is fine. Just don’t be deceitful about who you really are. In the end, making greetings and expressing friendship does nothing to cover up what’s happening. Personality has a way of being distinct, no matter how hard you try to feign that you’re somebody else.
chucksmith1982Participant
Jan 1, 2017, 7:48 PM
When I looked into the ub, I came across the channelers. They confused me for a while, then I read the book. My view on this is simple. It is to soon for a sixth, or a continueing revelation. The reason is because not enough time has passed. Thousands of years passed between each revelation. Isn’t it logical to assume that at least a thousand years would need to pass before any more revelations are given? Also, according to the histories, the last message that the revelators sent was “You are now on your own.”

There was a time, (from what I gather) I’m not sure if it has passed, where being a fellowship supporter was understood as being a supporter of the channelers as well. Those who supported the foundation were viewed as… urantia book fundamentalists? I guess would be the best term I can come up with. They were viewed as not supporting or believing in Urantia channelers in whatever form they came in and believed in just the book itself. That, actually, was the reason that I decided to support the foundation when I became a ub believer… That, plus I could get around their website better than I could get around the fellowship’s.
Van AmadonParticipant
Jan 1, 2017, 8:25 PM
The Urantia Book is for the individual, not the group. All the explanation of what it says and what it means will come from within. It’s through this kind of comprehension that individuals will transform the world, one man and one woman at a time.
BonitaParticipant
Jan 1, 2017, 8:39 PM

VanAmadon wrote: The Urantia Book is for the individual, not the group.

Then why was it presented to a commission? Sounds like another Van/nodism.
Van AmadonParticipant
Jan 1, 2017, 8:48 PM

Bonita wrote:

Then why was it presented to a commission?

If I explained this to you Bonita then you might be robbed of the experience of having the source of all knowledge reveal it to you from within.
BradlyParticipant
Jan 1, 2017, 8:51 PM

Bonita wrote:

VanAmadon wrote: The Urantia Book is for the individual, not the group.

Then why was it presented to a commission? Sounds like another Van/nodism.

And why the emphasis on study “groups”? Not to mention the teaching that we are all to learn how to teach one another as well as learn from one another. Life is not meant to be individualistic but groupings and teams!!!

The inner life is personal….but we are here to learn sharing and caring and doing….together….as a family. The Papers were gifted to a “group” called Urantians. No one may share or care or teach or learn from others in isolation…navel staring indeed, nodisms.

= )

"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
AnonymousInactive
Jan 1, 2017, 9:10 PM

chucksmith1982 wrote:

My view on this is simple. It is to soon for a sixth, or a continueing revelation. The reason is because not enough time has passed. Thousands of years passed between each revelation.

You might be correct “chuck” but as it is there have been additions to the Urantia Book, where there are two volumes in print by Gabriel Sedona as the author, “The Cosmic Family”, Volumes 1 & 2. They start off where the Urantia Book leaves off as fare as the paper numbering is concerned with paper 197. Anyway, they are quite extensive, but as I have researched the author, I find that he would not have been able to write such volumes without having someone edit for him. They are very interesting but might be worth reading for the fun of it or as I did to get a better understanding of the cult behind the author. Nevertheless, he has changed his name again and now it is “Gabriel of Urantia” along with many other names over the years. So what you have feared or assumed not possible has already happened. Not to mention that the other person, to whom I contribute the document in question of this topic, also has proposed a new Urantia Book soon to be published, however just words and no evidence of coming into fruition. It looks like everyone wants to get in on the Urantia Book gravy-train.
BonitaParticipant
Jan 1, 2017, 9:14 PM

VanAmadon wrote:

If I explained this to you Bonita then you might be robbed of the experience of having the source of all knowledge reveal it to you from within.

So wait! You’re a truth revealer? Tell me what you so intimately know about the reason for the contact commission. Obviously you’re not old enough to be a member of it, so perhaps you’re getting your revelatory information from elsewhere? Where would that be? If you are able to explain anything, aren’t you obliged to do so as a service? Isn’t that what the revelators have done for us, passed on their intimate information as a revelation to our hungry souls? I think you should explain it!! I think it’s your moral duty to do so.
BonitaParticipant
Jan 1, 2017, 9:20 PM

Bradly wrote: And why the emphasis on study “groups”? Not to mention the teaching that we are all to learn how to teach one another as well as learn from one another. Life is not meant to be individualistic but groupings and teams!!!

Exactly Bradly!! EXACTLY. The evolution of the Supreme is all about socialization of the personality. Our entire ascension career concerns learning how to relate to other-than-self and how to work with diverse groups, groups with different cultures and languages. Socialization of the personality is paramount; it’s the highest form of personality unification.

56:10.14 Every impulse of every electron, thought, or spirit is an acting unit in the whole universe. Only sin is isolated and evil gravity resisting on the mental and spiritual levels. The universe is a whole; no thing or being exists or lives in isolation. Self-realization is potentially evil if it is antisocial. It is literally true: “No man lives by himself.” Cosmic socialization constitutes the highest form of personality unification. Said Jesus: “He who would be greatest among you, let him become server of all.”

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