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The Bright and Morning Star

158 posts · 10 participants · started Jan 28, 2015, 1:46 PM

emanny3003Blocked
Feb 18, 2015, 12:43 AM

MidiChlorian wrote:

Being that this topic is about Gabriel, “The Bright and Morning Star”, First Trumpeter of The Corp of Celestial Universal Symphony, I would not expect you to understand nor comprehend that which you think you ask of yourself, where you have placed yourself above the COR and assume that you have power over all who choose to engage you as if you have taken power from He who has given you life, yet you proclaim to be able to “gladly give” that which is not yours to give.

That which I have has been given me freely from the Father. I can freely give it away, in fact, I am commanded to.

And how, might I ask, do you know that I don’t know? I know my place at the table, and no matter where that place is, we all partake of the same meal and are in the same company. Let it go.

MidiChlorian wrote:

I engage you only for mercies sake, and to bare witness that family is made in the heart not in the mind of the soul who resides in darkness. Peace be with you; and also with you.

You say that you engage me out of mercy. What if I tell you that your pity is something I do not need. You either engage with someone out of love or out of hate. Which is it? If I reside in darkness and yet you provide no light for me then you engage out of hate. I feel the peace of Michael but not your peace. The hypocrite cannot give his peace because hate is an obstacle to peace.

Perhaps what you want from me is to disappear. Perhaps I should be annihilated so that you hold on to your idols which I threaten. I would like to destroy your golden calf to bring you some light, but only if you will it.
emanny3003Blocked
Feb 18, 2015, 12:53 AM

Bonita wrote:

Does anyone want to talk about Gabriel?

Gabriel is ultimately responsible for TUB revelation as it has come to us in written form. I believe it to be true but it is not The Truth. We have an honest narrative from the point of view of Gabriel. It is not The Truth because it is not living truth. There are two sides to coin and there are as many points of view as there are persons. The Truth is living and comes from the living God.

Gabriel is an honest and dutiful first born son and he is my bother. But as my brother in charge, I do not like it when he attacks another brother, justified or not. When my oldest Universe brother shows vengeance it is disconcerting. I await my universe father’s return to settle this brotherly dispute. It was supposed to have ended 2000 years ago yet lingers for reasons that are less than clear. I understand that Gabriel has his reasons for his actions but I want Michael to have his hand in all matters that affects us as brothers. I do not want to be fathered by an older brother.
AnonymousInactive
Feb 18, 2015, 12:56 AM

emanny3003 wrote:

And how, might I ask, do you know that I don’t know? I know my place at the table, and no matter where that place is, we all partake of the same meal and are in the same company. Let it go.

There is only one who sat on the left hand from the head of the table, where he was commanded to do what he must do, but that was another time and place, where this is not the appropriate time or palace for this type of attitude. Where if you have a problem with me, then take it off line. Did you get my Email?

And, I know because you haven’t told me anything, yet that I don’t know. Tell me something that we both know that no one else knows.
emanny3003Blocked
Feb 18, 2015, 1:14 AM
I tired of emails and I don’t trust you. What you have to say to me you can say out in the open if you like. I do not have any problem with you. Your words do not bother me. There is nothing I have to tell you that all cannot hear.

You do not determine the time or place for me to express myself. Express yourself when ever and where ever you will. It does not bother me.

If you want to know something, ask one who knows, not me. I can only offer biased opinions from my point of view and I deliver them in a blunt, direct, and sometimes less than polite manner. Take it or leave it.
BonitaParticipant
Feb 18, 2015, 2:54 PM
As I said, Gabriel is portrayed in other religions as an archangel. He has been depicted in artwork from every age, and is often symbolized as a lily. He is often depicted blowing a horn, or carrying an olive branch.

Gabriel is revered in Islam. Muslims believe that it was Gabriel who gave the Qur’an to Muhammed, and it was Gabriel who brought the black stone of Ka’aba. Gabriel is mention in the Qu’ran as God’s messenger who makes God’s will known in the heart. It’s almost like he takes the place of Michael and his Spirit of Truth.

Who is an enemy to Gabriel! For he brings down the revelation to thy heart by God’s will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe. (Al Baqarah 2:97)
emanny3003Blocked
Feb 19, 2015, 12:24 AM
Gabriel is the elder brother to the entire Universe of Nebadon. Christ Michael is our father-brother. I am grieved that Gabriel finds it necessary to bring the matter of Lucifer to the Ancients of Days, going above Michael’s head. In terminating the lucifer rebellion, Michael offered forgiveness and accepted the repentance of all who would return. Those that did not are under suicide watch with nothing is to be done but wait for their self destruction.

In Gabriel vs Lucifer et al, Gabriel takes those whom Michael proffered forgiveness and accepted back into the family and offers vengeance, the vengeance of an offended oldest brother.

If it were not for the mercy and wisdom of Jesus, Jude would have been thrown out of the family many times. Jesus knew that Jude needed time to mature.
BonitaParticipant
Feb 19, 2015, 1:47 PM
Gabriel is also a parent himself. His offspring are the Spironga.

37:10.2 The Spironga are the spirit offspring of the Bright and Morning Star and the Father Melchizedek. They are exempt from personality termination but are not evolutionary or ascending beings. Neither are they functionally concerned with the evolutionary ascension regime. They are the spirit helpers of the local universe, executing the routine spirit tasks of Nebadon.
emanny3003Blocked
Feb 19, 2015, 2:13 PM

Bonita wrote:

Gabriel is also a parent himself. His offspring are the Spironga.

37:10.2 The Spironga are the spirit offspring of the Bright and Morning Star and the Father Melchizedek. They are exempt from personality termination but are not evolutionary or ascending beings. Neither are they functionally concerned with the evolutionary ascension regime. They are the spirit helpers of the local universe, executing the routine spirit tasks of Nebadon.

Gabriel is not a parent. Spironga are made, not created.

Gabriel will have to answer to Michael once the case of Gabriel vs Lucifer is adjudicated by the AOD.

Michael will return once this has happened. It will be soon because I can feel a change in my awareness that I can’t otherwise explain.
emanny3003Blocked
Feb 19, 2015, 2:23 PM
139:6.5 The apostles all loved and respected Nathaniel, and he got along with them splendidly, excepting Judas Iscariot. Judas did not think Nathaniel took his apostleship sufficiently seriously and once had the temerity to go secretly to Jesus and lodge complaint against him. Said Jesus: “Judas, watch carefully your steps; do not overmagnify your office. Who of us is competent to judge his brother? It is not the Father’s will that his children should partake only of the serious things of life. Let me repeat: I have come that my brethren in the flesh may have joy, gladness, and life more abundantly. Go then, Judas, and do well that which has been intrusted to you but leave Nathaniel, your brother, to give account of himself to God.” And the memory of this, with that of many similar experiences, long lived in the self-deceiving heart of Judas Iscariot.

This was meant for Judas as well a Gabriel.

Said Jesus: “Judas, watch carefully your steps; do not overmagnify your office. Who of us is competent to judge his brother?

Go then, Judas, and do well that which has been intrusted to you but leave Nathaniel, your brother, to give account of himself to God.”

Replace “Judas” with “Gabriel” and “Nathaniel” with “Lucifer” in the quote above.
BonitaParticipant
Feb 19, 2015, 2:53 PM
Being a parent himself, Gabriel understands the role of fatherhood in a divine sense. I find it interesting that he has not been completely denied the Deity attribute of being a creator if he is permitted to create Spironga. The Spironga function from Mansion world number two onward. I’ve often wondered why they are not present on Mansion world one.
emanny3003Blocked
Feb 19, 2015, 10:05 PM

Bonita wrote:

I find it interesting that he has not been completely denied the Deity attribute of being a creator if he is permitted to create Spironga.

Gabriel is not a creator. Spironga are not “created”, they are “made”. Michael is created, not made, The Creator. This confers no parenthood to Gabriel as a creator. He does not provide the “spark of life” to the Spironga.
BonitaParticipant
Feb 20, 2015, 1:45 PM
Creative Spirits, not Creator Sons, provide the spark of life. And only Creative Spirits can provide the ability to reproduce.

36:6.3 Life Carriers can organize the material forms, or physical patterns, of living beings, but the Spirit provides the initial spark of life and bestows the endowment of mind. Even the living forms of experimental life which the Life Carriers organize on their Salvington worlds are always devoid of reproductive powers. When the life formulas and the vital patterns are correctly assembled and properly organized, the presence of a Life Carrier is sufficient to initiate life, but all such living organisms are lacking in two essential attributes — mind endowment and reproductive powers. Animal mind and human mind are gifts of the local universe Mother Spirit, functioning through the seven adjutant mind-spirits, while creature ability to reproduce is the specific and personal impartation of the Universe Spirit to the ancestral life plasm inaugurated by the Life Carriers.

But Gabriel is not a creature. He is a descending Son and his parents are the Creator Son and Creative Spirit. Likewise the parents of Spironga are the Bright and Morning Star and the Father Melchizedek. Spironga are offspring, and the word offspring is defined as a person’s child or children.

37:10.2 The Spironga are the spirit offspring of the Bright and Morning Star and the Father Melchizedek.
emanny3003Blocked
Feb 21, 2015, 12:50 AM

Bonita wrote:

But Gabriel is not a creature.

What?

A Creature is a Creation of the Creative Deities. A descending son is a creature, who’s parents are Creators.
MaraParticipant
Mar 5, 2015, 9:19 PM
Gabriel of Salvington is a one-of-a-kind being, a dual-origin son (30:1:29) created full-fledged

. . . the chief officer of execution for superuniverse mandates relating to nonpersonal affairs in the local universe. Most matters pertaining to mass judgment and dispensational resurrections, adjudicated by the Ancients of Days, are also delegated to Gabriel and his staff for execution. Gabriel is thus the combined chief executive of both the super- and the local universe rulers. He has at his command an able corps of administrative assistants, created for their special work, who are unrevealed to evolutionary mortals. In addition to these assistants, Gabriel may employ any and all of the orders of celestial beings functioning in Nebadon, and he is also the commander in chief of “the armies of heaven” — the celestial hosts.

He is commander-in-chief of the armies of heaven.

One Bright and Morning Star per local universe. (0:0:5) Just one, and no more than one of these unique beings in each local universe (the prime creative unit of a superuniverse). He is one of the orders of Universe Aids (37:1:9)

30:2:148 On all headquarters worlds of both local and superuniverses, provision is made for these beings who are engaged in specific missions for the Creator Sons, the local universe rulers. We welcome these Universe Aids on Uversa, but we have no jurisdiction over them. Such emissaries prosecute their work and carry on their observations under authority of the Creator Sons. Their activities are more fully described in the narrative of your local universe.
MaraParticipant
Mar 12, 2015, 6:45 PM
Our study group meets every Wednesday. We’re reading Part IV right now – The Life and Teachings of Jesus – in particular Paper 136. Baptism and the Forty Days I am sure many UB students experience something similar to what I experienced last night while studying. Simply said: certain information stands out in a vivid way in my mind which did not stand out when I previously studied the same material. In particular the role of Gabriel, the Bright and Morning Star, who, when Jesus encountered him while Jesus was trying to find suitable shelter for himself in the Perean hills, re-established personal communications with him for the first time since Michael left Salvington for his bestowal experience.

I attribute my new interest in Gabriel to the online study of him on this forum! Thank you so much Bonita for starting this topic. I have no doubts about Gabriel’s role/s in the economy of our universe and superuniverse. Take for example this excerpt pertaining to Jesus’ encounter with him in the Perean hills:

136:3:4Gabriel, by direction of Immanuel and on authority of the Uversa Ancients of Days, now laid before Jesus information indicating that his bestowal experience on Urantia was practically finished so far as concerned the earning of the perfected sovereignty of his universe and the termination of the Lucifer rebellion. [. . .] Jesus was now informed, upon the highest authority of the local universe and the superuniverse, that his bestowal work was finished in so far as it affected his personal status in relation to sovereignty and rebellion. He had already had this assurance direct from Paradise in the baptismal vision and in the phenomenon of the personalization of his indwelling Thought Adjuster.

Jesus held long converse with Gabriel regarding the welfare of the universe and, sending greetings to Immanuel, proffered his assurance that, in the work which he was about to undertake on Urantia, he would be ever mindful of the counsel he had received in connection with the prebestowal charge administered on Salvington. 136:3:6
BonitaParticipant
Mar 13, 2015, 3:16 PM

Mara wrote:

Thank you so much Bonita for starting this topic.

You’re welcome Mara. I did it because Gabriel was being so hideously maligned by the troll. I still can’t get over the disgustingly deliberate denigration of such a loving personality.

Personally, I have the highest regard for Gabriel. He’s right at the top of the hierarchy of personages in our universe, other than our Creator Son and Spirit. He deserves my most sincere respect.
MaraParticipant
Mar 14, 2015, 5:12 PM
Gabriel is the regent of our universe. A regent, among other things, is one who exercises ruling power in the absence of the one who rules, as in the absence of our Creator Son when he is away on other business.

33:6:1   Gabriel is the chief executive and actual administrator of Nebadon. Michael’s absence from Salvington in no way interferes with the orderly conduct of universe affairs. During the absence of Michael, as recently on the mission of reunion of Orvonton Master Sons on Paradise, Gabriel is the regent of the universe. At such times Gabriel always seeks the counsel of Immanuel of Salvington regarding all major problems.

I surmise that Gabriel in counsel with Immanuel acted as regent during all seven of our Creator Son’s bestowal missions. And, Father Melchizedek acts as Gabriel’s first executive associate. Gabriel is occupied more with universe policies while Father Melchizedek with practical procedures. In the absence of Gabriel, Father Melchizedek functions as the chief executive of Nebadon.

35:1:2   In the universe of Nebadon the Father Melchizedek acts as the first executive associate of the Bright and Morning Star. Gabriel is occupied more with universe policies, Melchizedek with practical procedures. Gabriel presides over the regularly constituted tribunals and councils of Nebadon, Melchizedek over the special, extraordinary, and emergency commissions and advisory bodies. Gabriel and the Father Melchizedek are never away from Salvington at the same time, for in Gabriel’s absence the Father Melchizedek functions as the chief executive of Nebadon.

In the Perean hills Jesus held long converse with Gabriel regarding the welfare of the universe and sent greetings to Immanuel. During that forty days, Jesus made plans for his public work on Urantia but for all worlds of Nebadon. At this time Gabriel reminded Jesus that there were two ways he might manifest himself to the world.

136:4:7   1. His own way — the way that might seem most pleasant and profitable from the standpoint of the immediate needs of this world and the present edification of his own universe.

136:4:8   2. The Father’s way — the exemplification of a farseeing ideal of creature life visualized by the high personalities of the Paradise administration of the universe of universes.

He chose the Father’s way.
MaraParticipant
Mar 15, 2015, 6:39 PM

Mara wrote:

I surmise that Gabriel in counsel with Immanuel acted as regent during all seven of our Creator Son’s bestowal missions.

Upon further investigation, I’ve discovered that the Union of Days, Immanuel, was the acting universe ruler during the later bestowal missions and Gabriel was more of an associate on the missions and acted as a liaison between Michael and Immanuel.

119:4:5 As these successive bestowals partook increasingly of the nature of the lower forms of universe life, Gabriel became more and more an associate of these incarnation adventures, functioning as the universe liaison between the bestowed Michael and the acting universe ruler, Immanuel.

Both Gabriel and Father Melchizedek were with Jesus in the Perean hills. So who was tending the store on Salvington? Immanuel, as per Michael.

120:0:6 Having determined the time of his final bestowal and having selected the planet whereon this extraordinary event would take place, Michael held the usual prebestowal conference with Gabriel and then presented himself before his elder brother and Paradise counselor, Immanuel. All powers of universe administration which had not previously been conferred upon Gabriel, Michael now assigned to the custody of Immanuel. And just before Michael’s departure for the Urantia incarnation, Immanuel, in accepting the custody of the universe during the time of the Urantia bestowal, proceeded to impart the bestowal counsel which would serve as the incarnation guide for Michael when he would presently grow up on Urantia as a mortal of the realm.

Who is Immanuel? The ambassador of the Paradise Trinity in Nebadon. And Michael’s Paradise brother.

33:5:1 The administration of Trinity-origin personalities ends with the government of the superuniverses. The local universes are characterized by dual supervision, the beginning of the father-mother concept. The universe father is the Creator Son; the universe mother is the Divine Minister, the local universe Creative Spirit. Every local universe is, however, blessed with the presence of certain personalities from the central universe and Paradise. At the head of this Paradise group in Nebadon is the ambassador of the Paradise Trinity–Immanuel of Salvington–the Union of Days assigned to the local universe of Nebadon. In a certain sense this high Trinity Son is also the personal representative of the Universal Father to the court of the Creator Son; hence his name, Immanuel.

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