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The Bright and Morning Star

158 posts · 10 participants · started Jan 28, 2015, 1:46 PM

BonitaParticipant
Feb 14, 2015, 3:30 PM
Upon the resurrection of Michael, he stood with Gabriel just above the tomb. Interesting that it was only Michael and Gabriel. One would have to assume that Gabriel is a being of very high distinction and honor for this to occur.

189:1.5 We know that no creature of the local universe participated in this morontia awakening. We perceived the seven personalities of Paradise surround the tomb, but we did not see them do anything in connection with the Master’s awakening. Just as soon as Jesus appeared beside Gabriel, just above the tomb, the seven personalities from Paradise signalized their intention of immediate departure for Uversa.
MaraParticipant
Feb 14, 2015, 5:07 PM

Bonita wrote:

Upon the resurrection of Michael, he stood with Gabriel . . . .

And then it goes on to say this about Gabriel and Michael:

189:3:1 A little after half past four o’clock this Sunday morning, Gabriel summoned the archangels to his side and made ready to inaugurate the general resurrection of the termination of the Adamic dispensation on Urantia. When the vast host of the seraphim and the cherubim concerned in this great event had been marshaled in proper formation, the morontia Michael appeared before Gabriel, saying: “As my Father has life in himself, so has he given it to the Son to have life in himself. Although I have not yet fully resumed the exercise of universe jurisdiction, this self-imposed limitation does not in any manner restrict the bestowal of life upon my sleeping sons; let the roll call of the planetary resurrection begin.”

Let the resurrection begin!
emanny3003Blocked
Feb 15, 2015, 12:05 AM

Bonita wrote:

One would have to assume that Gabriel is a being of very high distinction and honor for this to occur.

If we are to understand Michael then we must assume he is like his Father. Being one with the Father, he plays no favorites with his children.

Gabriel is his first born and may think he is deserving of higher distinction and honor, but Michael does not make this distinction.
BonitaParticipant
Feb 15, 2015, 3:02 PM

Mara wrote: Let the resurrection begin!

Yes. Gabriel and the archangels, whose circuit functioned for the first time, moved themselves to the place of spiritual polarity of the planet in order to announce the resurrection.

189:3.2 The circuit of the archangels then operated for the first time from Urantia. Gabriel and the archangel hosts moved to the place of the spiritual polarity of the planet; and when Gabriel gave the signal, there flashed to the first of the system mansion worlds the voice of Gabriel, saying: “By the mandate of Michael, let the dead of a Urantia dispensation rise!”
emanny3003Blocked
Feb 15, 2015, 3:13 PM
Will Gabriel find a way to salvage Michael’s family? As a brother, I want to know what freedom means to Gabriel. I know what freedom means to Michael.
BonitaParticipant
Feb 15, 2015, 3:40 PM
As a reminder from a previous post, the archangels are not under the direct authority of Gabriel. And it was the chief of the archangels who petitioned Gabriel for permission to dispose of Jesus’ body.
emanny3003Blocked
Feb 15, 2015, 11:29 PM
Who restrains freedom and liberty in Nebadon in the name of love? Is it Gabriel or Michael?
MaraParticipant
Feb 16, 2015, 12:54 AM
Jesus said:

159:3:2 Always respect the personality of man. Never should a righteous cause be promoted by force; spiritual victories can be won only by spiritual power. This injunction against the employment of material influences refers to psychic force as well as to physical force. Overpowering arguments and mental superiority are not to be employed to coerce men and women into the kingdom. Man’s mind is not to be crushed by the mere weight of logic or overawed by shrewd eloquence. While emotion as a factor in human decisions cannot be wholly eliminated, it should not be directly appealed to in the teachings of those who would advance the cause of the kingdom. Make your appeals directly to the divine spirit that dwells within the minds of men. Do not appeal to fear, pity, or mere sentiment. In appealing to men, be fair; exercise self-control and exhibit due restraint; show proper respect for the personalities of your pupils. Remember that I have said: “Behold, I stand at the door and knock, and if any man will open, I will come in.”
emanny3003Blocked
Feb 16, 2015, 12:25 PM

Mara wrote:

Jesus said:

159:3:2 Always respect the personality of man. Never should a righteous cause be promoted by force; spiritual victories can be won only by spiritual power. This injunction against the employment of material influences refers to psychic force as well as to physical force. Overpowering arguments and mental superiority are not to be employed to coerce men and women into the kingdom. Man’s mind is not to be crushed by the mere weight of logic or overawed by shrewd eloquence. While emotion as a factor in human decisions cannot be wholly eliminated, it should not be directly appealed to in the teachings of those who would advance the cause of the kingdom. Make your appeals directly to the divine spirit that dwells within the minds of men. Do not appeal to fear, pity, or mere sentiment. In appealing to men, be fair; exercise self-control and exhibit due restraint; show proper respect for the personalities of your pupils. Remember that I have said: “Behold, I stand at the door and knock, and if any man will open, I will come in.”

Why did the Midwayer disrespect the personality of man by providing overpowering arguments that all of you incessantly quote here on forums.

The Urantia book is chocked full of “shrewed eloguence”.

Mara wrote:

Make your appeals directly to the divine spirit that dwells within the minds of men.

Is not this what I try to do here?

It seems that the Midwayer is not beyond hypocrisy.

BTW, Jesus was only quoted in the very last sentence of this lengthy quote.
MaraParticipant
Feb 16, 2015, 3:21 PM

156:5:14 Spiritual living mightily increases true self-respect. But self-respect is not self-admiration. Self-respect is always co-ordinate with the love and service of one’s fellows. It is not possible to respect yourself more than you love your neighbor; the one is the measure of the capacity for the other.

164:1:0 Story of the Good Samaritan
emanny3003Blocked
Feb 16, 2015, 11:45 PM
I remember throwing away my huge Samsonite full of debate index cards. I felt free at last from the reference game. I was never more unhappy than those years in debate competitions. Then in Medical school and residency the game returned with the incessant quoting of medical journal articles.

The vanity of this game is vulgar indeed.
AnonymousInactive
Feb 17, 2015, 12:20 AM

emanny3003 wrote:

I remember throwing away my huge Samsonite full of debate index cards. I felt free at last from the reference game. I was never more unhappy than those years in debate competitions. Then in Medical school and residency the game returned with the incessant quoting of medical journal articles.

The vanity of this game is vulgar indeed.

Indeed this game is vulgar, but it is a shame that you threw away your index cards, but then you shouldn’t need any cards if you were to use that which is printed in the Urantia Book, where if you would wish to start a “reference game” or “debate competitions” with me, or any other readers, of the Urantia Book, I think that you would find me a viable opponent. You can select and start the topic of your choice, as long as it is restrictive of that which is in the Urantia Book.

I haven’t had a good game since I played chess with the Regimental Chess Champion, who was stationed in England at the Second World War. I must admit, he was a challenge, where our standing was, one win, a draw, and one lose.
emanny3003Blocked
Feb 17, 2015, 1:22 AM

MidiChlorian wrote:

Indeed this game is vulgar, but it is a shame that you threw away your index cards, but then you shouldn’t need any cards if you were to use that which is printed in the Urantia Book, where if you would wish to start a “reference game” or “debate competitions” with me, or any other readers, of the Urantia Book, I think that you would find me a viable opponent.

I do not seek opponents. Are you challenging me to a dual? No thanks. You have ‘check mated’ yourself and I no longer am playing games. Leave childish things to children in the school yard. Look where your gaming has gotten you. Gamblers never profit. And if you were in WW II, thank you for your service, but you are of the age where you must let it go.
AnonymousInactive
Feb 17, 2015, 1:47 AM

emanny3003 wrote:

I do not seek opponents. Are you challenging me to a dual? No thanks. You have ‘check mated’ yourself and I no longer am playing games. Leave childish things to children in the school yard. Look where your gaming has gotten you. Gamblers never profit. And if you were in WW II, thank you for your service, but you are of the age where you must let it go.

How is it that I have “check mated” myself, and it would seem that my style of narration, is difficult for you to understand, where I indicated that I played chess with the Regimental Chess Champion, who was stationed in England, where he did not have anyone to play with because, no one would play with him, because he always won. When I play someone, I prefer to play with a better opponent then myself, otherwise you cannot learn anything. Loosing only gains experience, and eventually one might become a master at something. But, it would seem that you do look for opponents, because you seem to challenge what everyone presents, even if it is not directed to you. By your engaging in these replies are you looking to learn from those who are more proficient then you or, do you just like to dual, or engage in a match of wits? And I never gamble, I only bet on a sure thing. But in response above, “where you must let it go”, is that a professional opinion, or is that just your practice of Art?
emanny3003Blocked
Feb 17, 2015, 2:07 AM

MidiChlorian wrote:

How is it that I have “check mated” myself,

You are self defeating. You seek opponents to defeat. You cannot win over brothers.

MidiChlorian wrote:

But, it would seem that you do look for opponents, because you seem to challenge what everyone presents, even if it is not directed to you.

When I challenge others it is for the purpose of them to challenge themselves, to provoke thought, not score points.

MidiChlorian wrote:

By your engaging in these replies are you looking to learn from those who are more proficient then you or, do you just like to dual, or engage in a match of wits?

Yes, I do learn from others, even you. I am master of nothing but I admit that. I am humble before God but not before you or anyone else. Perhaps that is what irks you. If someone is more proficient than I then I will employ them.

MidiChlorian wrote:

And I never gamble, I only bet on a sure thing. But in response above, “where you must let it go”, is that a professional opinion, or is that just your practice of Art?

But you do admit to gambling because you just said that you “bet”. At your age you should know that there is no such a thing as a “sure thing”. What is it that you want for nothing? Everything has a price but are you willing to pay it or must you be tempted to bet on a sure thing?

“Let it go” is a wise saying and a song from the movie, “Frozen”.
MaraParticipant
Feb 17, 2015, 2:33 AM
While all of this back and forth is off topic, I truly appreciate your remarks Midi.
AnonymousInactive
Feb 17, 2015, 3:04 AM

emanny3003 wrote:

You are self defeating. You seek opponents to defeat. You cannot win over brothers.

Then, based on what you say above, if I should not seek an opponent, then I cannot be defeated, but there is no winning without an opponent, therefore there is no loosing either? But I can win over myself, therefore I have no need for brothers because I have a Father and Mother. Those who you call brother have a different mother and father, and regardless of heredity, may not know my Father and Mother. My Mother and Father are my spirit within myself, but those who you call brother are from without, and if that which is without wishes to be within my spirit, then it must show itself worthy of my spirit. Therefore, I have the free will to reject that which is without.

emanny3003 wrote:

When I challenge others it is for the purpose of them to challenge themselves, to provoke thought, not score points.

If you were to challenge me, then you would best know who you challenge. If you do not know yourself, then you have no way to know another, and no way to know if you can even “provoke thought” in someone who can see the reflection of our Father in others. But, those who provoke others live in a glass house, and should not through stones, because they don’t score points but, loose credits.

emanny3003 wrote:

Yes, I do learn from others, even you. I am master of nothing but I admit that. I am humble before God but not before you or anyone else. Perhaps that is what irks you. If someone is more proficient than I then I will employ them.

You do not ‘irk’ me, you sadden me, fore someone who is humble only before God, does not know my Father, where Father resides in all of us, therefore God is not a respecter of men, because He need not respect Himself. Besides, you could never “employ” me, I am not for sale, and you could never afford my wages, you don’t have that many credits.

emanny3003 wrote:

But you do admit to gambling because you just said that you “bet”. At your age you should know that there is no such a thing as a “sure thing”. What is it that you want for nothing? Everything has a price but are you willing to pay it or must you be tempted to bet on a sure thing?

I only bet on people, where I reinvest, my winnings back to them, but I have already won my soul, which cannot be taken from me again, therefore I am priceless, but I need not be tempted to bet because I know what is and is not a sure thing. Besides, I’ve already paid in advance, and you have nothing that I need or want.
emanny3003Blocked
Feb 17, 2015, 3:57 AM

MidiChlorian wrote:

Therefore, I have the free will to reject that which is without.

That which is from without is not real. Rejecting unreality is rejecting nothing at all. And you are a family member whether you realize it or not.

MidiChlorian wrote:

If you were to challenge me, then you would best know who you challenge. If you do not know yourself, then you have no way to know another, and no way to know if you can even “provoke thought” in someone who can see the reflection of our Father in others. But, those who provoke others live in a glass house, and should not through stones, because they don’t score points but, loose credits.

I only attempt to challenge. You are free to take it up or not. I only make the offer. Of course I do not know even if I provoke thought in anyone. It is no matter. I dust off my feet and proceed to the next house. We all live in glass houses. We were created transparent only to God, however, as brothers we must forgive. We are born throwing stones because our brothers are strangers to us. God does not keep score nor does He grant credits, He is no respecter of persons.

MidiChlorian wrote:

You do not ‘irk’ me, you sadden me, fore someone who is humble only before God, does not know my Father, where Father resides in all of us, therefore God is not a respecter of men, because He need not respect Himself. Besides, you could never “employ” me, I am not for sale, and you could never afford my wages, you don’t have that many credits.

Do not grant me the power to sadden you. And let me remind you that He is not your Father, He is OUR Father. This is a family.

As a warrior in your past, who employed you? The Government, or were you a mercenary?

MidiChlorian wrote:

Besides, I’ve already paid in advance, and you have nothing that I need or want.

But I think that there is something that you want or need from me or else you would not engage me. Tell me what it is and I will gladly give it to you. No charge, since you have already paid in advance.
BonitaParticipant
Feb 17, 2015, 4:07 PM
Does anyone want to talk about Gabriel?

Did you know, that even though he is mistaken to be an archangel in most evolutionary religions, he is revered as an agent of revelation in all three of the main Western religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Being seen as the agent of revelation, he’s depicted as God’s messenger. He is often chosen to bring important information from heaven.

In some religions people actually pray to Gabriel. He’s believed to be able to clear away mental confusion and encourage wisdom in decision making. He also apparently provides the confidence necessary to use wise judgment and to communicate better with other people.
AnonymousInactive
Feb 17, 2015, 4:31 PM

emanny3003 wrote:

But I think that there is something that you want or need from me or else you would not engage me. Tell me what it is and I will gladly give it to you. No charge, since you have already paid in advance.

Being that this topic is about Gabriel, “The Bright and Morning Star”, First Trumpeter of The Corp of Celestial Universal Symphony, I would not expect you to understand nor comprehend that which you think you ask of yourself, where you have placed yourself above the COR and assume that you have power over all who choose to engage you as if you have taken power from He who has given you life, yet you proclaim to be able to “gladly give” that which is not yours to give. For those who have not learned to follow in darkness, can never lead those who cannot see the light of day. If I were to ask of you something which you cannot give, because it is something which you do not posses, then in your attempt to do so, would release you from the thoughts that you have power over me and others, which would project you out of existence but, goodness can not exist without a comparison to evil, therefore I ask nothing of you because I have all which I require. I engage you only for mercies sake, and to bare witness that family is made in the heart not in the mind of the soul who resides in darkness. Peace be with you; and also with you.

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