Thanks Bonita, Rick, Brad and Gene!
Bonita, your exploration (here) of facts vs. reality is very helpful. Insight and nuance captured in 3 lines:
* The causation reality response is designed to discriminate between fact and non-fact.
* The duty reality response is designed to discriminate between what is morally right and morally wrong.
* The worship reality response is designed to discriminate between what is value and what is not value.
Rick wrote (msg 20469):
“It’s not always easy, or fruitful, discussing truth when the frames of reference are so diverse.”
This touches the point of that essay, which begins with a question, “What is it that makes something feel true?” If someone’s highly organized and polished frame does not include anything non-material, we need to adjust our approach.
Bonita wrote (msg 20366):
“I can’t find anything in TUB that says either the Divine Minister or the Holy Spirit validate anything. I’m pretty sure that validation comes from personal religious experience.”
I had in mind the kind of validation implied here:
“And it is these three cosmic intuitions that give objective validity, reality, to man’s experience in and with things, meanings, and values.” (192.6, 16:6.10)
“Aside from these three inalienables of human consciousness, all human experience is really subjective except that intuitive realization of validity attaches to the unification of these three universe reality responses of cosmic recognition. ” (195.7, 16:9.1)
What I’m exploring is how (non-spiritual) feelings of “objective validity” are made possible, and accessible, to sincere and insightful humans. As we know, our local universe Divine Minister bestows a spiritual circuit called the “Holy Spirit” (whose ministry Bonita explains so well). She also bestows seven other distinct circuits which serve as differential urges for nudging humans along.
But where in this set of ministries do we find her role as mediator of those three distinct “intuitions of validity” made accessible by the cosmic mind? How would you describe the way she makes possible and accessible that “reality response” which “saves us from becoming helpless victims of the implied a priori assumptions of science, philosophy, and religion.” (191.7, 16:6.4)
Since this insight depends on the cosmic intuitions, it would appear to be independent of adjutant ministry. And since it is intellectual (not supermindal or spiritual), it seems to be distinct from the (spiritual) ministry of the Holy Spirit. Thus my interest in teasing out her involvement in this powerful (non-spiritual) inspiration, which is accessible to each of our seven billion fellows, each of whom are more or less stuck in erroneous “frames in which to think”. (1260.2, 115:1.1)
Regarding the Holy Spirit, I asked Bonita:
When you say (msg 20378) “and the Holy Spirit is only in the soul.”, what relation do mortals have with her spirit presence prior to receiving an Adjuster, i.e. before that mortal has a soul?
(379.4, 34:5.4) When mind is thus endowed with the ministry of the Holy Spirit, it possesses the capacity for (consciously or unconsciously) choosing the spiritual presence of the Universal Father — the Thought Adjuster.
Bonita replied:
“None. The Holy Spirit arrives when the mortal enters the seventh psychic circle. That does not mean that individuals prior to the birth of their souls are not ministered to by cosmic mind, or the Divine Minister.”
I was thinking the above quote (379.4, 34:5.4) refers to a mind “thus endowed with the ministry of the Holy Spirit“, prior to the presence of the Adjuster. What do you think?
Bradley asked (msg 20303):
“Also please expand on your idea about “reality sensitivity”. What is the role of epochal revelation in delivering “facts” of reality if the Mother’s Spirit were delivering reality sensitivity…”
What I had in mind is simply that the cosmic intuitions make it possible for us to accept epochal revelation as valid. This is not about intuitively divining undiscovered facts, it’s about enabling that “sniff test” that allows us to evaluate the credentials of something presented as fact.
Bonita wrote (msg 20442):
“I get the impression that you are using the word “fact” to indicate some level of certainty,”
Not quite. What got me started was the UB revelation about four absolutely distinct gravity circuits: personal, spiritual, mindal and material. I got to wondering whether each of these four integrated (yet absolutely distinct) domains might have its own flavor of “fact”, and corresponding mode of “validation”, some way to recognize and respond to the facts peculiar to that domain.
Thus the facts of the personality circuit are the Universal Father and love. Its technique of validation is living truth. Likewise, the facts of the spirit circuit are the Eternal Son and spirit luminosity. Its technique of validation is religious. The facts of the mind circuit are the Infinite Spirit and intellectual insight. Its technique of validation is (universal) philosophy. And the facts of the material circuit are Paradise and material light. Its technique of validation is (universal) science.
Of course to some this must be more scratching on chalkboards. But to a Force Organizer?
Sorry for taking so long to reply. Brain goes slow, and time units no longer so short 
Nigel
