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The Reality of Religious Experience – Paper 103

230 posts · 8 participants · started Aug 1, 2018, 10:07 PM

  1. An example of super additive could be – while retaining my thoughts about Adjutants in regard to (individuality, associative and unity) as well as those Sangik that I think tend to favor one over the other: the “association” between fact and goodness is truth, truth being the super additive. We recognize this super additive and have the ability to know it when we experience it. But it’s not tangable, measurable and likely a bit different for all observers. Is it metaphysical? I don’t like to think about it that way but I could if I let myself.

    what Adjutants tend to be more associative – or what Sangik lean more toward associativity ?

    why orange became extinct I have no idea but one thought that lingers is that the idea of “unity” or the Adjutants of courage and wisdom – courage tends to be in the moment, the here and now where wisdom is a long term thing. I don’t think that explains their extinction. Probably just lost too many battles.

    Better than extinct because the brain is too small eh?

    But Orange must not be completely extinct.

  2. From 103:8:1 ,

    (1140.1, 103:8.1) “Although both science and philosophy may assume the probability of God by their reason and logic, only the personal religious experience of a spirit-led man can affirm the certainty of such a supreme and personal Deity. By the technique of such an incarnation of living truth the philosophic hypothesis of the probability of God becomes a religious reality.”

    For me, this highlights beautifully the distinction between those of our personal experiences which are “too deep for words”, and our discussions about those experiences. As usual, this distinction is clarified and amplified in the paragraph immediately following: 103:8.2

    (1140.2, 103:8.2) “The confusion about the experience of the certainty of God arises out of the dissimilar interpretations and relations of that experience by separate individuals and by different races of men. The experiencing of God may be wholly valid, but the discourse about God, being intellectual and philosophical, is divergent and oftentimes confusingly fallacious.”

    Bonita wrote:

    “The reality of religious experience is a personal revelation. But isn’t 103:8.2 interesting in that it declares that race influences a person’s religious experience.”

    I think 103:8.2, is saying that it’s our “dissimilar interpretations and relations of that experience“, not the experience itself, which is subject to racial or cultural distortion. The point being that our personal experience of our Father is personal, not intellectual.

    Bradley wrote:

    “It would seem that the Mansion World distinction must only be effective or relevant during the earlier mortal epochs. This might provide important emotional continuity for such souls […]”

    Yes, I think that’s the idea. Given 117:5.7,

    (1286.5, 117:5.7) “[…]. In the mortal experience the human intellect resides in the rhythmic pulsations of the adjutant mind-spirits […]”

    if humanity’s biological and cultural branches can in subtle ways be distinguished by their characteristic affinity for, and response to, adjutant ministry, this could surely be accommodated in our initial mansion world experience. So as not to rock our world too much, too soon   :good:

    And this might explain the need for those Racial Interpreters (48:6.22, 553.3) Bonita mentioned:

    “TUB mentions that there are “definite social tendencies” of the different races that persist even on the mansion worlds. (48:6.22)”

    Nigel

  3. . . . . the “association” between fact and goodness is truth, truth being the super additive.

    I don’t understand this and I can’t find anything like it in the Revelation.  I thought truth is associated with beauty and goodness, which are all part of faith, value and relation.  Facts are associated with things, science and reasoning.  The third triad is that middle ground which includes philosophy, ideas and meanings which is supposed to bridge the gap between the two other triads.

    There’s nothing superadditive about it that I can see, but to be honest, I still don’t know how you’re using that word.  Truth is something that can only be discerned in the soul.  Are you saying the soul is superadditive?  If so, I agree.  The soul is a qualitatively new reality created by the combination of two – totally unexpected like the creation of liquid water from the combination of gaseous atoms.  But while the soul itself is superadditive, truth, beauty and goodness I think are exponential qualities.

    But it’s not tangable, measurable and likely a bit different for all observers. Is it metaphysical?

    The soul is not metaphysical.  What the material mind does in its attempt to explain religious experiences in the soul can be twisted and turned by metaphysics in an attempt to jam it into physical reality so it appears to fit.  And that, in my opinion, is because of the lack of the appreciation of the morontia level of reality which can only come with soul growth, circle progress, or death.

    Metaphysics is what the material mind does in its attempt to understand the mysterious realm of spiritual experience within morontia reality which has no direct corollary in the material realm.  It’s the material mind trying to create meanings out of what is experienced in the morontia mind (soul).  The experience is real but the interpretation of the experience can be meta-morphed by the physics of material reality.  Meta- means to change the order of something.  Metaphysics changes the morontia order of reality into the physical order of reality, and in doing so, it naturally becomes distorted, or morphed.  And in the human mind, morphing often includes myth.

    what Adjutants tend to be more associative – or what Sangik lean more toward associativity ?

    What is associativity? Are you talking about mathematical associative principles, about nonlinear thinking, or are you talking about associations with people/things ?  It’s not clear to me. And isn’t the second adjutant, the spirit of understanding, the one responsible for automatic association of ideas?  Incidentally, ideas are part of the middle triad of philosophy, morals, meanings, etc.

    that the idea of “unity” or the Adjutants of courage and wisdom – courage tends to be in the moment, the here and now where wisdom is a long term thing.

    Sorry, I’m not making any sense of that either.  Why have you linked unity with adjutants 3 and 7?  Isn’t personality the unifier?  And wisdom is about past, present and future, right?  This is what wisdom does: “. . . utilize the co-ordination of all their past experience and present opportunities for the acquisition of all of everything that all of the other six mental ministers can mobilize in the mind of the organism concerned.”(36:5.12) And isn’t courage about fidelity and stamina, which are long-term things designed to urge the personality to seek growth and progress?

    (402.5) 36:5.8 3. The spirit of courage — the fidelity endowment — in personal beings, the basis of character acquirement and the intellectual root of moral stamina and spiritual bravery. When enlightened by facts and inspired by truth, this becomes the secret of the urge of evolutionary ascension by the channels of intelligent and conscientious self-direction.

    But Orange must not be completely extinct.

    The quote below uses the word extinct, but I agree, there must be remnants out there.  We had an orange man as Speaker of the House not long ago.

    (513.10) 45:4.7 5. Porshunta, the oracle of the extinct orange race and the leader of this people in the worship of “The Great Teacher.”

    But none of this gets to my original question which is, what is it about race that influences religious experience enough to be carried through to the mansion worlds?  My current thinking on the subject has to do with character. The soul is our morontia character and the mansion worlds are designed for continuing growth of character after death.  But character, even material character inherited from our DNA, is more than just mind, or adjutants.  TUB describes the character of the orange race in this way:

    (723.9) 64:6.10 2. The orange man. The outstanding characteristic of this race was their peculiar urge to build, to build anything and everything, even to the piling up of vast mounds of stone just to see which tribe could build the largest mound.

    What is it about the urge to build that influences religious experience?  Or is it religious experience that influences the urge to build?  I suppose it probably works both ways.  And incidentally, there is no single adjutant responsible for the urge to build; not that I can find, that is. So it looks like the character of the orange race is not directly related to any one particular adjutant, right?  Instead, I think it is a particular characteristic expression of life in its totality.  Life is minded, but life is not mind and mind is not life.

     

  4. For the orange race I think the urge to build was an effort to transcend, piling up stones in an effort to get to heaven so to speak.

    a different way to interpret this urge is to understand Free Masonry. More of an art. Building beautiful structures transcends our existence here because we are told about beautiful structures on Mansion worlds and beyond.

  5. For the orange race I think the urge to build was an effort to transcend, piling up stones in an effort to get to heaven so to speak.

    I get what you’re saying.  But isn’t the effort to transcend related to the soul where the Spirit attempts to inspire such an up-reach?  Isn’t the building urge a creative urge?  And isn’t it the personality that imparts qualities of creativity in its relations with the inner life of the soul? (56:4.2; 111:4.8; 111;4.11-12; 112:1.19)

    What I’m getting at is that the urge to build is primarily a character trait of the personality.  When it’s applied to an entire race, every personality in that race of people has a propensity toward the same urge.  It’s a creative urge and creativity is not directly derived from adjutant mind ministry.  Creativity may utilize adjutant mind ministry, but its not its source.  Am I making sense?

  6. For the orange race I think the urge to build was an effort to transcend, piling up stones in an effort to get to heaven so to speak.

    I get what you’re saying. But isn’t the effort to transcend related to the soul where the Spirit attempts to inspire such an up-reach? Isn’t the building urge a creative urge? And isn’t it the personality that imparts qualities of creativity in its relations with the inner life of the soul? (56:4.2; 111:4.8; 111;4.11-12; 112:1.19) What I’m getting at is that the urge to build is primarily a character trait of the personality. When it’s applied to an entire race, every personality in that race of people has a propensity toward the same urge. It’s a creative urge and creativity is not directly derived from adjutant mind ministry. Creativity may utilize adjutant mind ministry, but its not its source. Am I making sense?

    yup, making sense.

    But what Spirit was inspiring these ancient orange Sangiks?

    I really don’t think creativity was on their mind although we can certainly refer to this urge to build as creative.

    squirrels build nests, is that creative? What Adjutant urge is this a response to.

  7. But what Spirit was inspiring these ancient orange Sangiks?

    The same spirit who inspires us, the Holy Spirit and the Adjuster.  (Of course, we now have the Spirit of Truth to round things out.)  These were human beings.  To be referred to as human means all 7 adjutants are functioning and a soul is born. The Holy Spirit is the essence of the morontia mind/soul (12:8.7).  And, if Andon and Fonta had Adjusters, then one must presume many of the Sangiks did too, being that they were more advanced evolutionary-wise.

    I really don’t think creativity was on their mind although we can certainly refer to this urge to build as creative.

    Can’t we say that purposeful action is dependent upon thought? And if you agree this is true, then the urge to build was indeed on or in their minds.  The question is where did it originate?  Just like us, Sangiks had two minds.

    squirrels build nests, is that creative? What Adjutant urge is this a response to.

    Nest building is a survival or self-perpetuation urge, part of the sex-urge, or self-reproductive urge which preserves the species.  That would be due to the foundational #1 adjutant which preserves and directionalizes evolution.

    36:5.6 1. The spirit of intuition — quick perception, the primitive physical and inherent reflex instincts, the directional and other self-preservative endowments of all mind creations; the only one of the adjutants to function so largely in the lower orders of animal life and the only one to make extensive functional contact with the nonteachable levels of mechanical mind.

  8. Ok

    but the Adjutant influences are a bit easier to observe in our animal cousins because of the missing free will and personality. Some species build nests and others do not. This suggests the urge to build is more than the sex urge.

    Spiders build webs to catch prey and eat. A different Adjutant response?

    Some higher forms don’t build anything, don’t have any response at all to the urge to build.

    Some lower forms can only respond to that most basic non teachable mind that drives single celled organisms. But then again, this same nonteachable mind must influence every cell in the body of the most complex organism, no?

    And that’s kind of my thoughts about the ancient Sangiks and the Adjutants. The six primary Sangiks tended to respond differently or preferentially were drawn to the different Adjutants because of racial and or biologic features that could have been unified by an Adamic biologic uplift. It makes sense to me but I can’t find direct quotes to support my thinking.

     

  9. This suggests the urge to build is more than the sex urge.

    The only reason to build a nest is to lay an egg which is part of the sex-urge.

    Spiders build webs to catch prey and eat. A different Adjutant response?

    Nope.  It’s still self-preservation. It’s still adjutant #1. Gotta eat to live.

    Some higher forms don’t build anything, don’t have any response at all to the urge to build.

    That’s because nest and web building are not caused by the urge to build, but by the urge to survive. The self-preservation instinct takes different forms according to the needs of the animal.  Quick reflexes prevent a lot of animals from becoming prey.  It also helps them hunt and catch prey. Each according to their need.

    Some lower forms can only respond to that most basic non teachable mind that drives single celled organisms. But then again, this same nonteachable mind must influence every cell in the body of the most complex organism, no?

    That’s right.  Each and every cell in our bodies is influenced by life itself, Physical Controller mind ministry and sometimes adjutant #1 ministry.  Individual cells have self-preservation mechanisms as do complex organisms made up of many cells, all working together for preservation of the whole.

    . . . but I can’t find direct quotes to support my thinking.

    That’s because they don’t exist.

    In your opinion, which one of the Sangik races preferentially responds to ” . . .primitive physical and inherent reflex instincts . . .” (36:5.6)?  May I suggest you don’t say because it would be highly insulting to that race of people.

     

  10. “That’s because they don’t exist.”

    certainly the quotes don’t exist but that don’t mean I’m totally wrong.

    is there a quote that captures the below concept that I think we can agree on?

    we become minded when the fertilized egg morphs into a living single cell and this same mind is part of the matured being made of billions of cells, each of which are minded by the same ministry.

    “In your opinion, which one of the Sangik races preferentially responds to ” . . .primitive physical and inherent reflex instincts . . .”

    the book quotes that one but again, Adjutant influence is all good and necessary, it’s not good to think about lower and higher nor is it good to think about biological response in the same way. It’s all good and necessary. None of it is equal but all are potentially unifiable.

    Also, free will allows every race or person to favor the animal if desired, I witness this daily. A Violet race would likely be much more efficient at taking advantage of all seven on a level that we (or maybe just me) can only hope for.

     

  11. Do you suppose that orange Sangiks that pile up stones as a response to an urge to build are doing this for survival? Response to Adjutant#1?

     

  12. Do you suppose that orange Sangiks that pile up stones as a response to an urge to build are doing this for survival? Response to Adjutant#1?

    No.

    How do piles of stones or dirt contribute to physical survival?  Adjutant #1 is about physical survival, not spiritual survival.  Didn’t we just establish that the orange race building urge was a reach toward the transcendent?

  13. Yeah

    but the urge to build seems to be survival, creative and stone steps to heaven.

  14. XM sattelite radio channel 19 has been playing Elvis Christmas songs all day

    how cool is that.

  15. Getting back to the question of why “transition ministers” might be needed for easing different racial groups into morontia mode, from 48:6.1,

    “[…]. These angels are of the sixth order of seraphic servers, and their ministry is devoted to facilitating the transit of material and mortal creatures from the temporal life in the flesh on into the early stages of morontia existence on the seven mansion worlds.”

    Regarding the 2nd group of transition ministers, from 48:6.22,

    “2. Racial Interpreters. All races of mortal beings are not alike. True, there is a planetary pattern running through the physical, mental, and spiritual natures and tendencies of the various races of a given world; but there are also distinct racial types, and very definite social tendencies characterize the offspring of these different basic types of human beings. On the worlds of time the seraphic racial interpreters further the efforts of the race commissioners to harmonize the varied viewpoints of the races, and they continue to function on the mansion worlds, where these same differences tend to persist in a measure. On a confused planet, such as Urantia, these brilliant beings have hardly had a fair opportunity to function, but they are the skillful sociologists and the wise ethnic advisers of the first heaven.”

    Ok, now back to the issue of what we might call “racially characteristic metaphysical distortions” :-)

    From 103:8:1 ,

    (1140.1, 103:8.1) “Although both science and philosophy may assume the probability of God by their reason and logic, only the personal religious experience of a spirit-led man can affirm the certainty of such a supreme and personal Deity. By the technique of such an incarnation of living truth the philosophic hypothesis of the probability of God becomes a religious reality.”

    For me, this highlights the distinction between those of our personal experiences which are “too deep for words”, and our discussions about those experiences. As usual, this distinction is clarified in the paragraph immediately following: 103:8.2

    (1140.2, 103:8.2) “The confusion about the experience of the certainty of God arises out of the dissimilar interpretations and relations of that experience by separate individuals and by different races of men. The experiencing of God may be wholly valid, but the discourse about God, being intellectual and philosophical, is divergent and oftentimes confusingly fallacious.”

    Bonita wrote:

    “The reality of religious experience is a personal revelation. But isn’t 103:8.2 interesting in that it declares that race influences a person’s religious experience.”

    I think 103:8.2, is saying that it’s our “dissimilar interpretations and relations of that experience“, not the experience itself, which is subject to racial or cultural distortion. The point being that our personal experience of our Father is personal, not intellectual.

    Bradley wrote:

    “It would seem that the Mansion World distinction must only be effective or relevant during the earlier mortal epochs. This might provide important emotional continuity for such souls […]”

    Yes, I think that’s the idea. Given 117:5.7,

    (1286.5, 117:5.7) “[…]. In the mortal experience the human intellect resides in the rhythmic pulsations of the adjutant mind-spirits […]”

    if humanity’s biological and cultural branches can in subtle ways be distinguished by their characteristic affinity for, and response to, adjutant ministry, this could surely be accommodated in our initial mansion world experience. So as not to rock our world too much, too soon   :good:

    And this might explain the need for those Racial Interpreters (48:6.22, 553.3) Bonita mentioned:

    “TUB mentions that there are “definite social tendencies” of the different races that persist even on the mansion worlds. (48:6.22)”

    Nigel

  16. I think 103:8.2, is saying that it’s our “dissimilar interpretations and relations of that experience“, not the experience itself, which is subject to racial or cultural distortion. The point being that our personal experience of our Father is personal, not intellectual.

    Yes, that’s exactly right.  I agree.  But it doesn’t really answer my question.  I’m asking what the racial component of the soul is.  Since it’s the soul that goes to the mansion world and not the adjutant mind or the adjutant-derived culture the individual lived in while in the flesh.  In other words, the soul is the survivable character of the personality.  Character is inherited through DNA but it can be changed by personality choice for a more divine character with survival potential.  Those character changes are made by the personality in concert with the Adjuster and are derived from the associated adjutant mind.

    112:6.7  . . . This evolving soul does, however, possess a continuing character derived from the decisions of its former associated adjutant mind, and this character becomes active memory when the patterns thereof are energized by the returning Adjuster.

    But what part of that new character continues to have racial undertones? Is it from the associated adjutant mind or from the DNA inherited character of the personality, or both, and can it be identified?  I have to presume that not all of our animal vestiges are  shed in one single process.  Since the soul is an evolutionary entity, it must continue to refine and polish them all the way through the mansion world experience. And maybe longer, I don’t know.  But what are they? Maybe there are some racial character traits that are survivable from the git-go and actually have some value in the next life.

    I thought it would help to take another look at Jesus’ human character which he inherited from Mary and Joseph’s DNA.  I made a list and I cannot assign one solitary adjutant to any of them. These are attitudes and aptitudes. They seem to reveal a combined effort of all seven adjutants and probably the Holy Spirit of the soul as well.  Certainly some of these character traits might even be considered racial.  Yet on the other hand, most of them have survival value even though they were DNA derived.

    • Gentleness
    • Sympathetic understanding
    • Teaching ability
    • Righteous indignation
    • Meditative and worshipful
    • Occasional sadness
    • Determined optimism

    (1348.3) 122:5.3 Jesus derived much of his unusual gentleness and marvelous sympathetic understanding of human nature from his father; he inherited his gift as a great teacher and his tremendous capacity for righteous indignation from his mother. In emotional reactions to his adult-life environment, Jesus was at one time like his father, meditative and worshipful, sometimes characterized by apparent sadness; but more often he drove forward in the manner of his mother’s optimistic and determined disposition. All in all, Mary’s temperament tended to dominate the career of the divine Son as he grew up and swung into the momentous strides of his adult life. In some particulars Jesus was a blending of his parents’ traits; in other respects he exhibited the traits of one in contrast with those of the other.

  17. 103:8.2 (1140.2) The confusion about the experience of the certainty of God arises out of the dissimilar interpretations and relations of that experience by separate individuals and by different races of men. The experiencing of God may be wholly valid, but the discourse about God, being intellectual and philosophical, is divergent and oftentimes confusingly fallacious.

    Me here:  So there is only one objective universe reality but every being is having a unique and subjective and personalized experience and expression of their experience within this singular reality.  And while we create fictional, metaphysical constructs of this objective universe reality to create perspective, belief, and a dependable philosophy related to reality and our experience in reality, our religious experience will forever be subjective and personalized and when we attempt to reduce it to some description then does it so often become “confusingly fallacious.”  But it is the spiritual content of our religious experience that is the prize and why faith overcomes all facts and the lack of facts and the false fictions in lieu of facts in our spiritual transformation.  Even mortal tadpoles on the edge of the universe living in darkness and confusion and without example or fact may aspire to and achieve immortality and eternity – this is The Reality of Religious Experience!!

    9. The Essence of Religion

    103:9.1 (1140.7) Theology deals with the intellectual content of religion, metaphysics (revelation) with the philosophic aspects. Religious experience is the spiritual content of religion. Notwithstanding the mythologic vagaries and the psychologic illusions of the intellectual content of religion, the metaphysical assumptions of error and the techniques of self-deception, the political distortions and the socioeconomic perversions of the philosophic content of religion, the spiritual experience of personal religion remains genuine and valid.

    103:9.2 (1140.8) Religion has to do with feeling, acting, and living, not merely with thinking. Thinking is more closely related to the material life and should be in the main, but not altogether, dominated by reason and the facts of science and, in its nonmaterial reaches toward the spirit realms, by truth. No matter how illusory and erroneous one’s theology, one’s religion may be wholly genuine and everlastingly true.

    103:9.3 (1141.1) Buddhism in its original form is one of the best religions without a God which has arisen throughout all the evolutionary history of Urantia, although, as this faith developed, it did not remain godless. Religion without faith is a contradiction; without God, a philosophic inconsistency and an intellectual absurdity.

    103:9.4 (1141.2) The magical and mythological parentage of natural religion does not invalidate the reality and truth of the later revelational religions and the consummate saving gospel of the religion of Jesus. Jesus’ life and teachings finally divested religion of the superstitions of magic, the illusions of mythology, and the bondage of traditional dogmatism. But this early magic and mythology very effectively prepared the way for later and superior religion by assuming the existence and reality of supermaterial values and beings.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  18. Bonita wrote:

    “I thought it would help to take another look at Jesus’ human character which he inherited from Mary and Joseph’s DNA. […]”

    “Jesus derived much of his unusual gentleness and marvelous sympathetic understanding of human nature from his father; he inherited his gift as a great teacher and his tremendous capacity for righteous indignation from his mother. In emotional reactions to his adult-life environment, Jesus was at one time like his father, meditative and worshipful, sometimes characterized by apparent sadness; but more often he drove forward in the manner of his mother’s optimistic and determined disposition. All in all, Mary’s temperament tended to dominate the career of the divine Son as he grew up and swung into the momentous strides of his adult life. In some particulars Jesus was a blending of his parents’ traits; in other respects he exhibited the traits of one in contrast with those of the other.” (122:5.3, 1348.3).

    Thanks Bonita – that gives a beautiful perspective into the issue!

    Bonita wrote:

    “Character is inherited through DNA …”

    May be closer to the mark to say that, given our inherited susceptibilities and affinities, during our human experience we cultivate attitudes which color the character with which we begin our mansion world career?

    Thus rather than “character” being inherited through DNA, I think it’s more a set of these susceptibilities and affinities. Our surviving character then “inherits” those inclinations and attitudes we cultivate during our birth-life.

    For example, regarding that enhanced “righteous indignation” you mentioned, here’s one idea. From Mary, Jesus inherits an enhanced susceptibility to, and affinity for, courage, counsel and (6th-adjutant) zeal; when courage and counsel get fired up by zeal… bingo, Righteous Indignation!  Of course in the case of Jesus, his wisdom more than “equaled his zeal (140:7.7)” !   :good:

    More seriously, my guess is that it’s these characteristic susceptibilities and affinities that the Life Carriers target as they evolve their human “psycho-soma” (mind-body). On a normal world, in a healthy family and culture, the coordination of susceptibilities and affinities becomes a child’s first uniquely personal adventure.

    To clarify, I’m thinking of these susceptibilities and affinities as emotionally-backed motivations (e-motivations?). Somehow the Life Carriers evolve — into their sequence of animals — susceptibility to adjutant motivation, mediated by emotion. Different animals (primarily mammals) may be characterized by susceptibility to a subset of the first 5 of those “rhythmic pulsations” (117:5.7). Since humans are, by definition, susceptible to the full set, could different human groups be characterized by their inherited affinities?

    Regarding the Sangik siblings, I’ve speculated that these children might indeed have been characterized by peculiar affinities for certain of those heritable susceptibilities. Notice, nothing here about dominance or dogma, just exploring what the Life Carriers may actually have achieved.

    The racially characteristic bit may be the emphasis particular groups are “naturally prone” to apply to their set of susceptible affinities. Of course, individually, it’s our own choices that ripen the attitudes that flavor the character we wake up with.

    As Bradley suggested… emotional continuity?

    Nigel

  19. Thus rather than “character” being inherited through DNA, I think it’s more a set of these susceptibilities and affinities.

    Maybe so, but I take the words in the Revelation literally in regards to this.  The following quote states that the root or basis of character is inherited.  Environment can prevent or allow the expression of a good inherited character.  But it clearly says that environment can do little to help or change a bad inherited character. If you’re born “bad to the bone”, then you’ll pretty much stay “bad to the bone”.  So as I see it, the dominance of nurture over nature argument is more or less wiped out by this quote. [Wish I knew that when I married my “bad to the bone” ex-husband.]

    (848.6) 76:2.6 The observation of Abel’s conduct establishes the value of environment and education as factors in character development. Abel had an ideal inheritance, and heredity lies at the bottom of all character; but the influence of an inferior environment virtually neutralized this magnificent inheritance. Abel, especially during his younger years, was greatly influenced by his unfavorable surroundings. He would have become an entirely different person had he lived to be twenty-five or thirty; his superb inheritance would then have shown itself. While a good environment cannot contribute much toward really overcoming the character handicaps of a base heredity, a bad environment can very effectively spoil an excellent inheritance, at least during the younger years of life. Good social environment and proper education are indispensable soil and atmosphere for getting the most out of a good inheritance.

    Another quote which I interpret to indicate that character, or inherent nature, is built directly into the DNA code is below.  In other words, the character traits of each race is pre-determined, built into the original germ plasma, and the Life Carriers have nothing to do with it. It’s pre-designed and pre-ordained by the Creator Son.

    36:3.8 From this point forward the evolution of living things must proceed in accordance with the endowment of the inherent nature and tendencies which have already been imparted to, and established in, the planetary life formulas and patterns.

    It makes sense to me that all the diversity of potential human character traits available cannot be provided to a single person or a single race.  The various superior inheritance traits are divided up among the races and expressed differentially by the individuals of each race.  It’s not unlike the Seven Master Spirits who display seven different character potentials derived from the Trinity.

    It’s also interesting to me that on Urantia we don’t have seven races with seven character potentials.  We have an additional race of people called the Nodites with yet additional character diversity potential.  Their DNA was affected by the life-maintenance circuits of Satania which caused it to mutate.  Some DNA chromosomes reorganized themselves more in line with the standard Satania specialization of life manifestation.(77:2.5)  These were the supermen of myth.  We know that the combination of Nodite, Adamite and some evolutionary race DNA produced the Andite people who were responsible for upstepping racial inheritance.  TUB says this was an unexpected result of being a life-modification planet, which is cool.

  20. Nigel Nunn wrote: May be closer to the mark to say that, given our inherited susceptibilities and affinities, during our human experience we cultivate attitudes which color the character with which we begin our mansion world career? . . . . Our surviving character then “inherits” those inclinations and attitudes we cultivate during our birth-life.

    Yes, I agree we cultivate our survivable character, but our surviving character is one that is co-created, meaning it has dual inheritance.   One inheritance is material, the other inheritance is spiritual, which is how morontia is made.  The contribution from the material character is the part that is racially colored. The contribution from the Divine Character is not colored, unless you think perfection has its own color, which it might; but if it did, it is pretty safe to say that it is not racial.

    Mind ministry works to bring the material DNA-derived character to a point where it can recognize Spirit-derived character (ideal). That’s where personality comes in with its power of identification.  If the personality identifies with the Spirit-derived character and chooses to behave accordingly, then the morontia substance of the soul grows.  With personality cooperation, a higher expression of character, a character more in tune with divinity, is co-created within a survivable morontia substance we call the soul.

    Moreover, the fruits of the spirit are character fruits, the result of the material character of a personality identifying with the divine character of Deity (a person).  In the quote below it states that our DNA derived characters do not naturally transform to a higher more divine character with adjutant influence alone.  Character transformation requires Spirit input. Even with a superb inheritance this is not possible, which is why it takes time and why TUB tells us that if Abel had lived to 25-30 years old, his DNA inheritance would have yielded spiritual fruit, a more divinely attuned character.  That’s the time needed for co-creation, for the adjutants to direct the mind spirit-ward and for the maturing personality to recognize and choose divinity.  A superb inheritance increases the likelihood of spirit dominance of the character of the personality.

    (382.1) 34:7.1 The flesh, the inherent nature derived from the animal-origin races, does not naturally bear the fruits of the divine Spirit. When the mortal nature has been upstepped by the addition of the nature of the Material Sons of God, as the Urantia races were in a measure advanced by the bestowal of Adam, then is the way better prepared for the Spirit of Truth to co-operate with the indwelling Adjuster to bring forth the beautiful harvest of the character fruits of the spirit. If you do not reject this spirit, even though eternity may be required to fulfill the commission, “he will guide you into all truth.”

    So the surviving character you speak of is a dual character: one inherited and one gifted by Spirit which serves as the ideal for personality identification.  The material DNA-derived character transforms only after it has been lead by adjutant ministry to the spiritual ideal character (God a person).  Adjutant ministry (not a person) is the gateway to the soul where the actual transformation takes place pending personality discovery, recognition, interpretation and choice (spiritual insight).  The character of a personality is transformed and transfigured only in relation to another and higher character of a personality, specifically a divine personality, which is why Jesus as the Spirit of Truth is of such enormous help to us. Adjutant mind ministry cannot do this because it is impersonal.  Even the Adjuster is impersonal, but the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Truth are not.  They are both personal presences who can be known and identified with.

     

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