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The Reality of Religious Experience – Paper 103

230 posts · 8 participants · started Aug 1, 2018, 10:07 PM

  1. This seems a good time to consider the evolutionary bridge of philosophy related to The Reality of Religious Experience.

    5:4.4 [Part I]
    The domains of philosophy and art intervene between the nonreligious and the religious activities of the human self. Through art and philosophy the material-minded man is inveigled into the contemplation of the spiritual realities and universe values of eternal meanings.

    5:5.5 [Part I]
    Evolutionary religion is the mother of the science, art, and philosophy which elevated man to the level of receptivity to revealed religion, including the bestowal of Adjusters and the coming of the Spirit of Truth. The evolutionary picture of human existence begins and ends with religion, albeit very different qualities of religion, one evolutional and biological, the other revelational and periodical. And so, while religion is normal and natural to man, it is also optional. Man does not have to be religious against his will.

    27:6.1 [Part I]
    Next to the supreme satisfaction of worship is the exhilaration of philosophy. Never do you climb so high or advance so far that there do not remain a thousand mysteries which demand the employment of philosophy in an attempted solution.

    https://urassoc.arko.nyc/search/?zoom_sort=2&zoom_query=philosophy+OR+philosophical&zoom_per_page=100&zoom_and=0&zoom_cat%5B%5D=-1

     

    The Reality of Religious Experience encompasses many concepts and functions – all of which are designed for and result in a very personalized religious experience….or so is the inherent potential.  Individual free will and the choices we make which result in our own motives for living, intentions at each intersection of choice, our priorities which reflect our philosophy of living, and the mind’s reality grasp…all of these combine to deliver our own reality….either a false construct or a viable discovered reality delivered by a true religious experience combining fact and truth with experience and wisdom.  The human mortal is so complex.  Again do I wonder at the amazing achievements of the Adjutants and the Life Carriers.  Incredible!

    :-)

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  2. Bradley – that’s an excellent reflection on the nature and purpose of our mota-starved human metaphysics!

    This relationship, between (1) what we can “know” and (2) our best “conceptual reach”, is now the source of much tension at the cutting edge of physics. Having no (material) evidence for the non-measurable and immaterial, our best and brightest feel compelled to “postulate conclusions and invent origins” (1260.2, 115:1.1) so that they may “have a means of logical thought within the frame of these mind-created postulates.”

    For my take on this (what happens when some precocious mind thinks it’s found a “full philosophic limit” 115:1.1), see from time 1:57 here,

    “So here we are, stuck within our frame. And yet, tickled by numinous intuitions that take our breath away.“

    For context, dial back to time 1:30, around here:  “Well, this is where philosophy steps in to take us all the way, “to the full philosophic limit” (1141.5, 103:9.7):

    “[…] and then goes on with wisdom to the full philosophic limit; and then it dares to launch out upon the limitless and never-ending universe journey in the sole company of TRUTH.” (1141.5, 103:9.7)

    Regarding the “supreme satisfaction of worship” and the “exhilaration of philosophy” (27:6.1, 302.5), I like to add the idea of that “Eureka!” moment in science. I once described this to a friend as an orgasmic response in one of the adjutant circuits…

    Talk about “strong feeling”   :-)

    (27:6.1, 302.5) “Next to the supreme satisfaction of worship is the exhilaration of philosophy. Never do you climb so high or advance so far that there do not remain a thousand mysteries which demand the employment of philosophy in an attempted solution.“

    Nigel

  3. Two additional pseudo-scientific, metaphysical inventions resulting from partial understanding, or application, of reality are astrology and chakras.  Astrology eventually lead to astronomy and chakras to medicine, yet these myths persist, one wonders why.

     

  4. Bonita wrote:

    “Two additional pseudo-scientific, metaphysical inventions resulting from partial understanding, or application, of reality are astrology and chakras. Astrology eventually lead to astronomy and chakras to medicine, yet these myths persist, one wonders why.”

    Good examples, Bonita. Regarding why they persist, my guess is that when a collection of familiar justifications (no matter how contorted) gets tangled into society’s mainstream frame, it can be hard to untangle.

    I think this is what the authors mean when they explain (throughout paper 103) our need for revelation;  untangling such conceptual knots requires either being told how things really are, or at least that “authoritative elimination of error” mentioned here:

    “1. The reduction of confusion by the authoritative elimination of error.” (1109.7, 101:4.6)

    Nigel

  5. Maybe astrology and chakras are stepping stones to astronomy and medicine that still need to be here because many still need to take these steps.

    an anology to the material could be some species that have been here for many eons but will not go extinct.

    got to be reasons for a this that have value and meaning.

  6. Then there’s this:

    (956.1) 86:6.5 Each passing generation smiles at the foolish superstitions of its ancestors while it goes on entertaining those fallacies of thought and worship which will give cause for further smiling on the part of enlightened posterity.

  7. My thought to ponder I received for the day today was:

    1:4.7 (27.2) As a reality in human spiritual experience God is not a mystery. But when an attempt is made to make plain the realities of the spirit world to the physical minds of the material order, mystery appears: mysteries so subtle and so profound that only the faith-grasp of the God-knowing mortal can achieve the philosophic miracle of the recognition of the Infinite by the finite, the discernment of the eternal God by the evolving mortals of the material worlds of time and space.

    Which led me to Paper 1, Section 4:

    4. The Mystery of God

    1:4.1 (26.3) The infinity of the perfection of God is such that it eternally constitutes him mystery. And the greatest of all the unfathomable mysteries of God is the phenomenon of the divine indwelling of mortal minds. The manner in which the Universal Father sojourns with the creatures of time is the most profound of all universe mysteries; the divine presence in the mind of man is the mystery of mysteries.

    1:4.2 (26.4) The physical bodies of mortals are “the temples of God.” Notwithstanding that the Sovereign Creator Sons come near the creatures of their inhabited worlds and “draw all men to themselves”; though they “stand at the door” of consciousness “and knock” and delight to come in to all who will “open the doors of their hearts”; although there does exist this intimate personal communion between the Creator Sons and their mortal creatures, nevertheless, mortal men have something from God himself which actually dwells within them; their bodies are the temples thereof.

    1:4.3 (26.5) When you are through down here, when your course has been run in temporary form on earth, when your trial trip in the flesh is finished, when the dust that composes the mortal tabernacle “returns to the earth whence it came”; then, it is revealed, the indwelling “Spirit shall return to God who gave it.” There sojourns within each moral being of this planet a fragment of God, a part and parcel of divinity. It is not yet yours by right of possession, but it is designedly intended to be one with you if you survive the mortal existence.

    1:4.4 (26.6) We are constantly confronted with this mystery of God; we are nonplused by the increasing unfolding of the endless panorama of the truth of his infinite goodness, endless mercy, matchless wisdom, and superb character.

    1:4.5 (26.7) The divine mystery consists in the inherent difference which exists between the finite and the infinite, the temporal and the eternal, the time-space creature and the Universal Creator, the material and the spiritual, the imperfection of man and the perfection of Paradise Deity. The God of universal love unfailingly manifests himself to every one of his creatures up to the fullness of that creature’s capacity to spiritually grasp the qualities of divine truth, beauty, and goodness.

    1:4.6 (27.1) To every spirit being and to every mortal creature in every sphere and on every world of the universe of universes, the Universal Father reveals all of his gracious and divine self that can be discerned or comprehended by such spirit beings and by such mortal creatures. God is no respecter of persons, either spiritual or material. The divine presence which any child of the universe enjoys at any given moment is limited only by the capacity of such a creature to receive and to discern the spirit actualities of the supermaterial world.

    1:4.7 (27.2) As a reality in human spiritual experience God is not a mystery. But when an attempt is made to make plain the realities of the spirit world to the physical minds of the material order, mystery appears: mysteries so subtle and so profound that only the faith-grasp of the God-knowing mortal can achieve the philosophic miracle of the recognition of the Infinite by the finite, the discernment of the eternal God by the evolving mortals of the material worlds of time and space.

     

    Naturally I reread the whole Paper….don’t miss Section 2!!!!!

    The Reality of Religious Experience begins and ends with God.  The mind we are given strives to understand universe reality and God and our relationship with God and universe reality by the exercise of metaphysics (when scientific facts are unavailable or insufficient) and by philosophy (the attempt to harmonize the material and spiritual experiences and to create a perspective of reality that delivers the art of living to us)…both of which are profoundly influenced by our personal religious experience delivered by both evolutionary faith and revelatory truth as presented by the Spirits within to mortal mind and to soul….and corrected and enhanced by epochal revelation and the factual and truthful presentation of universe realities by celestial beings.

    Metaphysics and philosophy have had so much to explain and harmonize for so long!!!  And so much of that has been fiction to one degree or another (if not completely false altogether!) because mind requires reality constructs and conceptualization.  But faith experience overcomes all falsehoods and fictions of knowledge and offers a direct and personal relationship with God which delivers truth, beauty, and goodness regardless of the fact content in our material science, metaphysical constructs and theories, and our unifying philosophies.  But when and as these all become aligned more and more with actual universe realities, does The Reality of Religious Experience more deeply approach the mystery that is God.  And once we are fused, do we have a means of understanding that is unique to mortal born beings from time and space as participants in what is described above as: “…the divine presence in the mind of man is the mystery of mysteries.”

    How blessed are we tadpole adventurers from time and space!!!

    Thanks to all!

     

    :good:

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  8. Wherever there is mystery, there is bound to arise creative imagination in an attempt to unify thought, but the source of creativity matters.  Human-powered creative imagination can easily lead to metaphysics, myths, mysticism and magic, whereas co-creative imagination, in partnership with transcendent spirit, will, with trust and faith, lead to TRUTH, which is reality.

     

  9. These sections of the Paper are describing the many elements of mortal reality discernment and the transitional experience of personal identity transfer.  Going ahead a few Papers, we read:

    112:1.13 (1227.3) Life is really a process which takes place between the organism (selfhood) and its environment. The personality imparts value of identity and meanings of continuity to this organismal-environmental association…..

    112:1.14 (1227.4) Physical life is a process taking place not so much within the organism as between the organism and the environment….

    112:1.15 (1227.5) It is through the mediation of mind that the self and the environment establish meaningful contact….

    112:1.19 (1227.9) In aggregations parts are added; in systems parts are arranged. Systems are significant because of organization—positional values….

    112:2.20 (1229.7) The material self, the ego-entity of human identity, is dependent during the physical life on the continuing function of the material life vehicle, on the continued existence of the unbalanced equilibrium of energies and intellect which, on Urantia, has been given the name life. But selfhood of survival value, selfhood that can transcend the experience of death, is only evolved by establishing a potential transfer of the seat of the identity of the evolving personality from the transient life vehicle—the material body—to the more enduring and immortal nature of the morontia soul and on beyond to those levels whereon the soul becomes infused with, and eventually attains the status of, spirit reality. This actual transfer from material association to morontia identification is effected by the sincerity, persistence, and steadfastness of the God-seeking decisions of the human creature.

     

    Our awareness of the material world/universe and our awareness of the inner being of “me” and the “us” or “other within me” leads to an inner reconciliation,  if you will, of these two apparently divergent realities and causes of reality (the material and the non-material).  As we have already learned, these two realities are not divergent except in our limited perception and experience.  Faith and faith assurance, truth and truth assurance, reason and logic, intuition and insight, the outward view and inward perspective….all of these work together to unify and harmonize reality by the experience of reality in mind and the mind’s inherent predisposition to explore, organize, understand, and explain the reality we see and experience.  This experience is truthful, religious, real, meaningful, and successful only to the degree that it leads to the transfer of the seat of our personal identity and bears the fruits of the Spirit…for these are the only evidence of The Reality of Religious Experience.  Or so I understand the teachings….so far!!

     

    Thanks to all….I appreciate the insights and lens of perspective each of you presents here!!

     

    Loved the video Nigel….feel free to post links as you wish….very helpful visualizations and picturizational aids.  In case anyone missed this link above, please view now:

     

    https://youtu.be/ZerrvI4dLTQ?t=98

     

    7. Science and Religion

    103:7.1 (1137.6) Science is sustained by reason, religion by faith. Faith, though not predicated on reason, is reasonable; though independent of logic, it is nonetheless encouraged by sound logic. Faith cannot be nourished even by an ideal philosophy; indeed, it is, with science, the very source of such a philosophy. Faith, human religious insight, can be surely instructed only by revelation, can be surely elevated only by personal mortal experience with the spiritual Adjuster presence of the God who is spirit.

    103:7.2 (1137.7) True salvation is the technique of the divine evolution of the mortal mind from matter identification through the realms of morontia liaison to the high universe status of spiritual correlation. And as material intuitive instinct precedes the appearance of reasoned knowledge in terrestrial evolution, so does the manifestation of spiritual intuitive insight presage the later appearance of morontia and spirit reason and experience in the supernal program of celestial evolution, the business of transmuting the potentials of man the temporal into the actuality and divinity of man the eternal, a Paradise finaliter.

    103:7.3 (1138.1) But as ascending man reaches inward and Paradiseward for the God experience, he will likewise be reaching outward and spaceward for an energy understanding of the material cosmos. The progression of science is not limited to the terrestrial life of man; his universe and superuniverse ascension experience will to no small degree be the study of energy transmutation and material metamorphosis. God is spirit, but Deity is unity, and the unity of Deity not only embraces the spiritual values of the Universal Father and the Eternal Son but is also cognizant of the energy facts of the Universal Controller and the Isle of Paradise, while these two phases of universal reality are perfectly correlated in the mind relationships of the Conjoint Actor and unified on the finite level in the emerging Deity of the Supreme Being.

    103:7.4 (1138.2) The union of the scientific attitude and the religious insight by the mediation of experiential philosophy is part of man’s long Paradise-ascension experience. The approximations of mathematics and the certainties of insight will always require the harmonizing function of mind logic on all levels of experience short of the maximum attainment of the Supreme.

    103:7.5 (1138.3) But logic can never succeed in harmonizing the findings of science and the insights of religion unless both the scientific and the religious aspects of a personality are truth dominated, sincerely desirous of following the truth wherever it may lead regardless of the conclusions which it may reach.

    103:7.6 (1138.4) Logic is the technique of philosophy, its method of expression. Within the domain of true science, reason is always amenable to genuine logic; within the domain of true religion, faith is always logical from the basis of an inner viewpoint, even though such faith may appear to be quite unfounded from the inlooking viewpoint of the scientific approach. From outward, looking within, the universe may appear to be material; from within, looking out, the same universe appears to be wholly spiritual. Reason grows out of material awareness, faith out of spiritual awareness, but through the mediation of a philosophy strengthened by revelation, logic may confirm both the inward and the outward view, thereby effecting the stabilization of both science and religion. Thus, through common contact with the logic of philosophy, may both science and religion become increasingly tolerant of each other, less and less skeptical.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  10. Wherever there is mystery, there is bound to arise creative imagination in an attempt to unify thought, but the source of creativity matters. Human-powered creative imagination can easily lead to metaphysics, myths, mysticism and magic, whereas co-creative imagination, in partnership with transcendent spirit, will, with trust and faith, lead to TRUTH, which is reality.

    One of the most amazing and important truths the UB presented to me is that mystery continues after this life and that beings far greater and higher also and still enjoy the functionality and wonder of mystery!!  Some UB students seem stunned and disappointed and suspicious that so many of the authors (perhaps all of them?) so boldly share their own puzzlements and paradoxes and mysteries related to universe realities.  Some students have gone so far as to disparage the entire Revelation and to suspect its contents’ accuracy due to this wonderful truth and truthfulness shared by the authors.  But all beings in time and space and even those from Havona face the inexplicable and unexplained and must study, learn, experience, and progress to acquire new meanings from known facts.  Wondrous!!

    Thanks Bonita!  = )

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  11. One wonders, what is the difference between the adjutant orgasmic response of the “eureka moment” and the response one has from a Holy Spirit derived “eureka moment” designed to unify all reality levels, including the scientific?

  12. One wonders, what is the difference between the adjutant orgasmic response of the “eureka moment” and the response one has from a Holy Spirit derived “eureka moment” designed to unify all reality levels, including the scientific?

    Possibly a begining is to understand exactly how the responsible Adjutant as a mind ministry and the Holy Spirit as a spirit ministry engages us.

    i can watch my dog to get a hint about the Adjutant response: he gets a walk, sees his playmate or gets a favorite treat and displays close enough to orgasmic response – isn’t this response to the Mother Spirit functioning without any “will” interference?

    “Will” kind of removes at least some of the emotion but all of the Adjutants are functioning in order to engage her.

    not trying to separate Adjutant from Holy Mother, just their expression or influence or engagement.

  13. Bonita wrote:

    “One wonders, what is the difference between the adjutant orgasmic response of the “eureka moment” and the response one has from a Holy Spirit derived “eureka moment” designed to unify all reality levels, including the scientific?”

    Maybe related to what Gene said… a thrilling pulse in our material mind vs. our soul?

    Just a guess, but if the personal presence of the Divine Minister’s Holy spirit is involved in mediating some thrilling experience, our response may be experienced more or less in our soul (mid-mind). But if some thrill (scientific Eureka) is limited to one or more of Her adjutant circuits, the experience may likewise be limited to our material mind?

    From paper 111 section 2, “Nature of the Soul“:

    (1218.6, 111:2.8) “The midway creatures have long denominated this evolving soul of man the mid-mind in contradistinction to the lower or material mind and the higher or cosmic mind. This mid-mind is really a morontia phenomenon since it exists in the realm between the material and the spiritual. […]”

    This may be why certain brilliant “materialists” find it hard to imagine a (non-material) spiritual domain: their material mind is so powerful (and loud), it drowns out what must begin as “a still small voice“.

    Nigel

  14. “Will” kind of removes at least some of the emotion but all of the Adjutants are functioning in order to engage her.

    The Holy Spirit is super-emotional.  This is mind which transcends human emotions, and thusly, has the power to control them (aka soul powers).

    Yes, all the adjutants are functioning, but engagement involves the personal presence of the Divine Spirit, which is part of the substance of our higher mind given the name “Holy Spirit”. It is our own personality which engages in a personality-to-personality level of minded experience on a super-emotional level.  The adjutants are merely the gateway to; the personality is the gateway from, as it is changed in such a way as to reveal the fruits of its personal experience with the Holy Spirit (and Spirit of Truth, since they are one).

    (1090.1) 99:4.5 After all, it is what one believes rather than what one knows that determines conduct and dominates personal performances. Purely factual knowledge exerts very little influence upon the average man unless it becomes emotionally activated. But the activation of religion is superemotional, unifying the entire human experience on transcendent levels through contact with, and release of, spiritual energies in the mortal life.

    not trying to separate Adjutant from Holy Mother

    If you mean the Divine Minister as the “Holy Mother”, then you can’t separate them.  But the adjutants are indeed separate from the Holy Spirit. They are two different levels of the Divine Minister’s mind ministry, albeit not separate from her divine consciousness.  The adjutants differ in that they do not provide the personality presence of the Divine Minister as does the Holy Spirit.

  15. This may be why certain brilliant “materialists” find it hard to imagine a (non-material) spiritual domain: their material mind is so powerful (and loud), it drowns out what must begin as “a still small voice“.

    It’s worse than that.  Their adjutant orgasmic eureka moments of fact and science are only one-dimensional.  How many times are we told that reality is trifold?  The two other dimensions of moral philosophy and religious spirituality must be part of any eureka moment if it is to be acted out successfully as part of reality.  The elliptical symmetry of all reality concepts must be dealt with, otherwise it’s like the dog chasing his tail.  Yes, its elliptical, but not at all balanced or symmetric, hopelessly futile, banal, destined to fail regardless of how brilliant the effort.  A balanced personality avails itself of all three reality responses, none of which are solely adjutant derived.

    In my opinion, the most important word in “The Reality of Religious Experience” is reality.

  16. Yes, Bonita. As I said in my video, perhaps the most important question for all of life is ‘What is true?’ (or real) This applies to, at least, the most important decisions of life. It likely applies to all questions for intellectually advanced, thinking, and curious people!!!!!!

     

  17. Yes, Bonita. As I said in my video, perhaps the most important question for all of life is ‘What is true?’ (or real)

    What do you say to a person who bases reality solely upon facts?

  18. Good question. Lately the alter ego conversations include comments like: All humans are relegated to the opinion section of the bleachers of life! All of us because none of us could achieve omniscience. We attribute that to God. Members in that section are able to talk to one another, share opinions and experience varying curiosity–wonderment. This levels the playing field and suggests to the “confident one” perhaps they don’t know it all! Or perhaps there could be more than facts. Now, you might be as creative as appropriate and take it from there with the “solely upon facts” folks.

  19. All humans are relegated to the opinion section of the bleachers of life!

    Is that true?

  20. Hope ya-all dont mind me taking a slight detour but relatively still on track. Its about the Adjutants and my dog since I mentioned him earlier in this thread.

    Anyone care to speculate? Or better yet – elaborate about what we think the difference is between humans and animals are?

    Think about this quote from paper 37:10.3 The Spornagia. Ill just quote the end of the paragraph: They are devoted to the care and culture of the material phases of these headquarters worlds, from Jerusem to Salvington. Spornagia are neither spirits nor persons; they are an animal order of existence, but if you could see them, you would agree that they seem to be perfect animals.

    First – Why in a paper titled Personalities of the Local Universe – would they include non persons?

    To me this is a dose of context for us to help realize the differences between mind and personal conductivity.

    It helps us tame down our self aggrandizement. I learn from this that or notion of being superior to animals needs an upgrade.

    But think about the implications of a perfect animal – a being where all of the first 5 (and I quit refering to them as lower) Adjutants fully function in complete harmony. (This is analogous to intelligent will creatures functioning with all seven Adjutants functioning in complete harmony and being encircuited in the Holy spirit) Too bad these critters are on worlds from Jerusem to Salvington but if they were on Urantia, do you think that we could see them? Are they a very minor step above us so that we cannot interact with them? Also, think about this one too – the author of this paper is a Brilliant Evening Star who is “Dictating” to a secondary Midwayer who is doing the writing – and this BES states that they “seem to be perfect animals” meaning that likely even this being dont really know – I find this very curious.

    Think about reincarnation – I have always dismissed it but here it seems possible. Animals must be the creation or handiwork of the Life Carriers and how exactly does an animal perfect itself, how could we recognize this sort of perfection? Do any of these perfected animals originate from Urantia? Which ones would you take a guess have done this? We always tend as humans to be stuck observing the shadow as opposed to the substance and when we try to speculate everything seems to get a bit distorted.

    And how about this – when we arrive on Jerusem or Salvington or any of the worlds between, will these amazing perfect animals have something to teach us ascenders? Will we interact with them? Would this interaction be similar to how I interact with my dog – person to non person??

    This brief paragraph about Spornagia beings has given me a very different way to think about animals, Adjutants and how I am lacking in so many ways.

    What a clear distinction is made here between mind and spirit ministry. imho.

     

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