Seriously, what is the problem with this place when it comes to having a discussion about “religion” ala Papers 99 -103?
Who have I “disrespected”? I have had ONE exchange with Teobeck who FIRST threw an “un-inspirational” dig at ME.
I have CLEARLY been trying to stick with the numerous lucid suggestions offered in Papers 99 -103 about how to PERSONALLY take the time to understand why you (the collective “you” of HUMANITY) would even develop a PERSONAL religion. What “emotional” buttons are being pushed by Papers 99 – 103 is not something that I am doing to you two as you read along, or NOT.
Never mind being all jesus-like or Rodanish or anything else, too high a bar to reach – try good manners. If all you are urged to do is to post some dime store judgement about another poster, don’t. “Religion”, as a topic for how “Christianity” can re-invent itself ala Papers 99 – 103 – never mind how Islam or Judaism or Buddhism or Hinduism can re-invent themselves as a “religion”, also – certainly does not say that step one is to JUDGE who has the bona fides to comment on it.
Now back to the topic at hand.
Without the “Christian” sects, such as they are NOW, teaching the Atonement Doctrine, would anyone be actually EXPERIENCING that doctrine as a “spiritual” experience while living in harmony with the Creator’s WILL – for us, his children? No. They wouldn’t because it is a SPIRITUALLY UNREAL doctrine! So just at least stop TEACHING it. There is NO truth, beauty or goodness in that doctrine.
Now I realize that it will not carry as much weight among some long time TUB readers that I did not come blazing on to the Urantia forum internets in 1991 claiming to be a Finaliter who listens to voices in my head and has visions of 7th heavens who had TUB fall off the shelf and on to my head at the Library and that is how I came to be awakened to my mission of saving the world
to say that I am just another Catholic grammar and high school educated person from NJ, USA – a child of WWII survivors who certainly had a LOT of experience with “personal religion”, being as “afflicted” as they were during their time on earth and how that was “good” for them in the long run as TUB readers chant over and over again…
but here I am to share how times HAVE changed. Never read the Bible, wasn’t required. Never had to stand up and pledge that I “believe” in the Atonement Doctrine. And was never drummed out of school or class or sent to a psychologist for analysis on whether I needed to be giving Ritalin or Opium because I always had two one-liners to challenge some of the things people said, with self-proclaimed “authority” – 1. How come Jesus never wrote anything down? and 2. Jesus was crucified BECAUSE of “our” sins, not FOR them.
So even steeped as my educations was, supposedly, in the big bad centuries old nasty misogynistic and predatory pedophile Catholic Church, I got a pressure-free to reception from nuns, priests, brothers and guests when discussing “religion” – yours, mine, ours, theirs, etc etc etc. BTW, it WAS required reading and study for all 4 years of high school in “religion” class to learn about all the “religions” on the planet back then in the 1970s – some have been added since then so I keep abreast of those recent “religions” – atheism being one. It is just a habit, I guess. Lifelong learning in certain areas is normal for me – astronomy, arts, science – I even named the group of 7 students I went through high school with in the “advance” curriculum the “Physics and Philosophy Warriors”. In retrospect, I was so fortunate to have such a fantastic education that certainly did put me on the path to “lose my life”, if I had to, in order to “save my life”.
Sorry if it is too much for other readers who have not been thus prepared to handle their own safe progress of their soul, but I have to claim MY rights to “religious freedom” – the right NOT to be pressured by a handful of TUB readers who clearly have turmoil when it comes to so much of what is in TUB. I don’t have share that turmoil. I had an “education” that made me immune to it.
I only had a hard time figuring out the new astronomy map laid out in TUB.
Now Vern and I are having a discussion here and if I understand the MISSION of these TUB forums, this is where we should be able to SAFELY talk about religion ala Papers 99 -103. Neither Vern nor I have said no one else can chime in – we’re still waiting for others who are also finding ways to PROGRESS as individual “religionists” by better understanding how “religion”, itself, is something we were created to possess as a natural endowment of “mind”.
It is a very interesting topic – for me as a Catholic educated person with the “habit” of safely talking about Popes, Shamans, Warlocks and whatever else the human imagination has come up with as we religiously misinterpret “what is religion”.
As Spock (an imaginary character in Star Trek, sorry, still no voices in my head) would say, “Fascinating”.
I can not LIVE or experience right in the NOW either the Atonement Doctrine as Deity Truth Beauty and Goodness anymore than I can experience the actual times of the past NOW during the Inquisition or Crusades – those past times and spiritually unreal doctrines are NOT my personal experience with anything Catholic. Truth.
So it is with those personal bona fides, unique to me for all time – LOL – I am taking a look at the momentum of politics and public relations being laid out as the philosophic red carpet for Pope Francis to glide over – the PRESSURE to control the conversation of his flock – and ask, “what the heck are you trying to do?” for us NOW?
But maybe I have once again stepped into TUB code-talking land and the REAL question being asked here because there are too many people like me still around with a decent enough “religious” education to be trouble for “them” – “How can we regain psychological control over a Christianity that is spiritually more powerful – IN CONTRAST to our Nihilism, Hedonism and Anarchy?”.
Hey, Teobeck and Mara, maybe jump over to Truthbook and join in the lively discussion about the “idea” that TUB code talkers are having that we are just a computer simulation of a hunger game…and the “winners” have already been decided….not sure which Papers gave them that “idea”, but hey, wha’ever….
Might start another thread about psychology being the study of another’s religion in light of how many prescriptions were written for drugs given to “problem” kids (like me?) who asked the WRONG question in religion class.
Those professional and legally binding psychological “diagnosis” of kids and elderly are WORSE than “judge not”, I would argue. And I would win that argument with EVERYTHING that TUB provides in the way of SPIRITUAL power that is NOT an ACTUAL opiate FOR the masses….so by all means do not read along on that one! THAT conversation will definitely reveal a lot of “contrast” between the “ideas” of what is “normal”.
