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RESURRECTION HALL – Redux

151 posts · 13 participants · started Sep 9, 2016, 8:29 AM

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    MidiChlorian,

    My sympathy and condolences on the passing of your wife. My thoughts and prayers will be with you and your family.

     

     

  2. Condolences  MidiChlorian.

    Hope everything fine for family, relatives and friends.

  3. Hi everyone,

    Hi Rick,

    Rick, nine pages done. I comment after reading the first 3 but were unable find the post.

    Your ascending-fictional story is refreshing because it put logicals sequences as a reader of UB.

    Remembering facts reveals through the book and your personal touch of valuable imagination.

    “Much appreciate the comment/feedback.“

    Because ask, I must respond because is a characteristic of Our Father. And because Mara said so. Share is Godlike.

    Your story began on mansion 1. Mansion world 1 is a post-Adamic school.47:3.9

    In your storytelling so far seems every opportunities happened.

    ex:  Family seems all there. Parents/Grand-parents/brother … all who seems being resurrected after 3 days. How do you explain, those whom have the capacity to continue their ascension on 3 or 4 th mansion due to higher development.  Wouldn’t they send salutations to Saro and Kala until they meet? And if all relatives are on mansion ¹  … logically its means their evolution state required it. So ,,, if they are transfer 3 days after death … shouldn’t they be there?

    On first mansion it must be apparent it is not so …. idyllic. All the 200,000 pilgrims resurrected have their places on the Adoration temple because it’s means something for those “third circle attainment”. General populace must be “deficients” students !!!

    Between the time of planetary death or translation and resurrection on the mansion world, mortal man gains absolutely nothing aside from experiencing the fact of survival. You begin over there right where you leave off down here.

    47:3.8 Almost the entire experience of mansion world number one pertains to deficiency ministry. Survivors arriving on this first of the detention spheres present so many and such varied defects of creature character and deficiencies of mortal experience that the major activities of the realm are occupied with the correction and cure of these manifold legacies of the life in the flesh on the material evolutionary worlds of time and space.

    Put aside: morontial vegetation, construction architectural structures and seeing morontials and spirituals aides. I think, I’ll feel like it’s right now on Urantia about the attendance … no?

    Personally I would like on my first day after send messages to my Jerusem parents. Dare to meet a couple whom wait so much for their Urantian’s children. Adon and Fonta 63:7.3 .

    Rick, did I meet your expectations?

    Thank you expressing the Suprême.

     

  4. Hi everyone, Hi Rick, Rick, nine pages done. I comment after reading the first 3 but were unable find the post.

    Dear andre. The other pages are posted below the first 3. Scroll down the page, past the comments, you will see.

    Your ascending-fictional story is refreshing because it put logicals sequences as a reader of UB. Remembering facts reveals through the book and your personal touch of valuable imagination. “Much appreciate the comment/feedback.

    Thank you!

    “ Because ask, I must respond because is a characteristic of Our Father. And because Mara remind us so often. Share is Godlike. Your story began on mansion 1. Mansion world 1 is a post-Adamic school.47:3.9 In your storytelling so far seems every opportunities happened. ex: Family seems all there. Parents/Grand-parents/brother … all who seems being resurrected after 3 days. How do you explain, those whom have the capacity to begin their ascension on 3 or 4 th mansion due to higher development.

    Good question. I have thought about having Kala and Saro go to Mansion 1, spend ten days, go to Mansion 2, spend ten days, etc. Not sure yet.

    …If you are not to be detained on mansion world number one, at the end of ten days you will enter the translation sleep and proceed to world number two, and every ten days thereafter you will thus advance until you arrive on the world of your assignment…. 47:3:10

    Wouldn’t they send salutations to Saro and Kala until they meet?

    Good point. And they will encounter those who preceded them, but it seemed wise not to overwhelm them with information on the first day.

    And if all relatives are on mansion ¹ … logically its means their evolution state required it.

    When you get to page 10, their family members declare which world they are stationed on (page ten was posted today: RH10 ).

    So ,,, if they are transfer 3 days after death … they shouldn’t be there. On first mansion it must be apparent it is not so …. idyllic. All the 200,000 pilgrims resurrected have their places on the Adoration temple because it’s means something for those “third circle attainment”. General populace must be “deficients” students !!!

    But this is a special resurrection, only for third circlers and above.

    Between the time of planetary death or translation and resurrection on the mansion world, mortal man gains absolutely nothing aside from experiencing the fact of survival. You begin over there right where you leave off down here. 47:3.8 Almost the entire experience of mansion world number one pertains to deficiency ministry. Survivors arriving on this first of the detention spheres present so many and such varied defects of creature character and deficiencies of mortal experience that the major activities of the realm are occupied with the correction and cure of these manifold legacies of the life in the flesh on the material evolutionary worlds of time and space.

    Put aside: morontial vegetation, construction architectural structures and seeing morontials and spirituals aides. I think, I’ll feel like it’s right now on Urantia about the attendance … no?

    Hmm…the resurrectees are from many different worlds of the System, not just Urantia.

    Personally I would like on my first day after send messages to my Jerusem parents. Dare to meet a couple whom wait so much for their Urantian’s children. Adon and Fonta 63:7.3 . Rick, did I meet your expectations? Thank you expressing the Suprême.

    Kala’s parents were there to meet her on Mansion 1 (see page 4). And the pair will certainly go to the probationary nursery, Saro has a surprise waiting :)

    YES, expectations met! Supreme thanks, andre. :good:

     

     

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    Richard E Warren

  5. Andre wrote:

    …Dare to meet a couple whom wait so much for their Urantian’s children. Adon and Fonta 63:7.3 .

    Yes, they must meet Andon and Fonta, but on the second or third day. So much to do!

    Richard E Warren

  6. Rick,

    It’s seem I am spilling the beans out of you.  hihihi

    •  the resurrectees are from many different worlds of the System, not just Urantia.

    I agreed but … all their states of mind is “deficient”.

    •  When you get to page 10 …

    So, you answer my point …  we are allowed to get back to previous mansiona among interest’s mandate.

    14:5.5 (159.1) The pilgrims of time are able to equip themselves to traverse “achieved” space … maybe what prevails in Paradise-Havona are also prevalent in Nebadon.

    •  Not sure yet.

    Understanding it is a huge process writing those pages … and depends if you intend doing tome 1,tome 2, tome 3 … successive description of Mansions Worlds abounds with interesting details and substances.

    Just as a suggestion: Kala and Saro being invited at a banquet offer per Adon and Fonta !

    Enjoying a meal with their Seraphic companions, reminding them circumstances of supports and “coincidence/synchronicity” on Urantia !!!

    Tell me Rick, just between you and me

    …. will Kala and Saro will finally have a glimpse on the Mota to tell us what it look like?

    Excuse my feverish pace …

     

     

  7. Rick, It’s seem I am spilling the beans out of you. hihihi • the resurrectees are from many different worlds of the System, not just Urantia.

    No problem, Andre :good:  

     

    I agreed but … all their states of mind is “deficient”.

    Yes, true.

    • When you get to page 10

    Here it is: https://urassoc.arko.nyc/forums/topic/resurrection-hall/page/2/#post-22614

     

    Understanding it is a huge process writing those pages … and depends if you intend doing tome 1,tome 2, tome 3 … successive description of Mansions Worlds abounds with interesting details and substances.

    AGREED!

    Just as a suggestion: Kala and Saro being invited at a banquet offer per Adon and Fonta ! Enjoying a meal with their Seraphic companions, reminding them circumstances of supports and “coincidence/synchronicity” on Urantia !!!

    That too is ahead, andre. Such a banquet!!!

    Tell me Rick, just between you and me …. will Kala and Saro will finally have a glimpse on the Mota to tell us what it look like? Excuse my feverish pace …

    Hee hee :-) . Keep reading.

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    Richard E Warren

  8. Dear Midi,

    Thinking of you and the loss of your life partner.  Even knowing what we know about the ascension plan for us, it is still deeply sad to lose your most intimate friend.  My condolences to you and your family.

    Love,

    Mara

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    Richard E Warren

  10. Forum Friends,

    Page 12 was posted earlier: https://urassoc.arko.nyc/forums/topic/resurrection-hall/page/2/#post-22621

     

    PS: This is the promo for the Facebook launch tomorrow. Look ok?

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    What will it be like when you awaken after life on Earth? Resurrection Hall attempts to explore that question in light of new revelations found in The Urantia Book. The Urantia Book reveals a great deal about our future life, from the first breath on Mansion World 1, to our arrival on Paradise as perfected beings.
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    This spiritual fiction story is centered on the ascension of the Maylon family who resurrect on Mansion 1 and begin the journey we will all take through the seven mansion worlds of spiritual training and cosmic conditioning.
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    Please peruse the first three pages here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/177437762666529/
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    “What a great idea for a book, I’m very excited to read it all. Those first pages really whet my appetite for more!”
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    “I love your story.  It gave me goose-bumps.”
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    “I think the sense of wonderment and delight and discovery are well presented and very inspiring.”
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    Richard E Warren

  11. Being resurrected in a hallway-

    humm!

    there is a broader meaning I’m certain.

    Could have been a dorm, or a galley, or a facility, or even a temple.

    but it is some sort of structure.

    what is the need for it, keep out of the rain??

  12. Being resurrected in a hallway-

    humm!

    there is a broader meaning I’m certain.

    Could have been a dorm, or a galley, or a facility, or even a temple.

    but it is some sort of structure.

    what is the need for it, keep out of the rain??

     

    Hee hee! Appreciate the levity, Gene. Ain’t no roofs nor rain on God’s RVs.

    Resurrection Hall came from these three quotes, the hall is a temple, you nailed it:

    47:3:2 [#2]
    The very center of all activities on the first mansion world is the resurrection hall, the enormous temple of personality assembly. This gigantic structure consists of the central rendezvous of the seraphic destiny guardians, the Thought Adjusters, and the archangels of the resurrection. The Life Carriers also function with these celestial beings in the resurrection of the dead.
    47:10:5 [#2]
    Seven times do those mortals who pass through the entire mansonia career experience the adjustment sleep and the resurrection awakening. But the last resurrection hall, the final awakening chamber, was left behind on the seventh mansion world. No more will a form-change necessitate the lapse of consciousness or a break in the continuity of personal memory.
    55:2:7 [#2]
    Mortal observers can see nothing of their translated associates subsequent to the fusion flash. Such translated souls proceed by Adjuster transit direct to the resurrection hall of the appropriate morontia-training world. These transactions concerned with the translation of living human beings to the morontia world are supervised by an archangel who was assigned to such a world on the day when it was first settled in light and life.

    Richard E Warren

  13. I’m curious about something.  If the food eaten on the morontia level is completely utilized, what happens if morontians overeat?  Will they utilize all that they’ve consumed and grow in size?  Do morontians have an automatic fill sensation at which time they are forced to stop (like filling your tank at the gas station)?  Or, do morontians have choice in this matter with an ability to override “full” cues and grow to enormous sizes?  Is gluttony, which is a self-control issue, an evil on morontia levels too?  Are there some morontians who have to learn to rein in their appetites?  Would they have to educate themselves not only in self-control but in the refined appreciation of higher and more improved tastes?  Another thing I’m curious about is morontian senses.  What is taste like for a morontian?  How about seeing, smelling, hearing, touching?  Are there new morontian words to describe these new senses?  Wouldn’t they be in their infancy on resurrection and require development?  Would resurrectees be instructed in such matters?

    14:2.2 The morontia senses are seventy, and the higher spiritual orders of reaction response vary in different types of beings from seventy to two hundred and ten.

    44:6.8 6. The taste designers. And how can you be told of these artists! Faintly I might suggest that they are improvers of morontia taste, and they also endeavor to increase the appreciation of beauty through the sharpening of the evolving spirit senses.

  14. I’m curious about something. If the food eaten on the morontia level is completely utilized, what happens if morontians overeat? Will they utilize all that they’ve consumed and grow in size? Do morontians have an automatic fill sensation at which time they are forced to stop (like filling your tank at the gas station)? Or, do morontians have choice in this matter with an ability to override “full” cues and grow to enormous sizes? Is gluttony, which is a self-control issue, an evil on morontia levels too? Are there some morontians who have to learn to rein in their appetites? Would they have to educate themselves not only in self-control but in the refined appreciation of higher and more improved tastes? Another thing I’m curious about is morontian senses. What is taste like for a morontian? How about seeing, smelling, hearing, touching? Are there new morontian words to describe these new senses? Wouldn’t they be in their infancy on resurrection and require development? Would resurrectees be instructed in such matters?

    14:2.2 The morontia senses are seventy, and the higher spiritual orders of reaction response vary in different types of beings from seventy to two hundred and ten. 44:6.8 6. The taste designers. And how can you be told of these artists! Faintly I might suggest that they are improvers of morontia taste, and they also endeavor to increase the appreciation of beauty through the sharpening of the evolving spirit senses.

     

    Great speculative questions all. Of course the writer in me wrestles with this. It’s feeling around in the dark really.

    Where’s that quote that we will look more like what we truly are? Doesn’t it imply gluttons will be the morontia equivalent of obese? All excesses and misalignments will show in our morontia bods, no?

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    Richard E Warren

  15. Do you mean this one?

    112:6.3 To a certain extent, the appearance of the material body-form is responsive to the character of the personality identity; the physical body does, to a limited degree, reflect something of the inherent nature of the personality. Still more so does the morontia form. In the physical life, mortals may be outwardly beautiful though inwardly unlovely; in the morontia life, and increasingly on its higher levels, the personality form will vary directly in accordance with the nature of the inner person. On the spiritual level, outward form and inner nature begin to approximate complete identification, which grows more and more perfect on higher and higher spirit levels.

    So, an out of control morontian will have an out of control body to match? That’s sort of the way it is here, so I suppose it would be even more so there.   This means that there is value in learning to appreciate beauty in all its forms.  Wouldn’t vanity serve a purpose then? Personally, I would want to look as beautiful as possible, which would mean discovering, recognizing, interpreting and doing all things beautiful. It would bring out the inner artist in me, that’s for sure.

    When you think about it, vanity was an unstepped emotion exhibited by Andon and Fonta and vanity is also an emotion that contributed to the development of society, it’s social.  Vanity is only useful if you have someone else to parade yourself in front of.  I would think that there must be higher forms of vanity without the problems of self-admiration, conceit and self-absorption.  Isn’t pride in one’s accomplishments a useful tool for growth if tempered with humility? I think there’s some mota level of vanity out there to be discovered that is more in line with self-respect.  I also think there are probably mirrors on mansonia, perhaps the mind-planning angels, who help us see ourselves as others see us, which might nudge us to want to be more beautiful.

    48:6.25 Here you are face to face with true friends and understanding counselors, angels who are really able to help you “to see yourself as others see you” and “to know yourself as angels know you.”

    Odd that this quote is followed by the Jesus mind-exchange quote. There’s no more beautiful a mind than that!  Seems as though the mind-exchange helps us see ourselves as others see us and as God sees us, and that’s pretty beautiful.   I’m  sure the Jesus mind-exchange works on the mansion worlds too. I’m also betting there’s a superconscious level to make contact with, that being the Adjuster, who is more readily discernible.

    Rick, I have a critique which I hope you won’t take poorly.  I know you have to include TUB in your story, otherwise there’s no purpose to writing it.  The problem I’m having is the way you’ve made it such a clearly identifiable part of the memory of your characters.  I sincerely doubt the details of the book are transferable as active memory.  My understanding is that memories of what is written in the book would have to be recollected as something familiar from the past.  The words written in the book are not spiritually valuable until they become an active part of a personal religious experience (which I probably should define, but not now).  TUB is central to the story, but I can’t see where an encyclopedic memory of the words in the book would have much value on the mansion worlds.  That’s a monkey brain function, right?  Your story, in my mind, is suggesting some sort of superiority for those who studied TUB, a kind of advanced understanding.  I’m not sure that flies in the real world. Then again, my impressions could be all screwed up.

  16. The two quotes after the one Bonita posted would lend credibility to her opinion that “recall” of facts and knowledge is probably not reflective of the Mansion World experience – especially on #’s 1-3.  I would offer the advice/opinion that another way to introduce UB concepts might be the orientation/educational experience that ALL survivors must surely share.  The UB is Cosmology/History 101.  It is taught on all “normal” material worlds throughout the Mortal Epochs and will certainly be taught on the Mansion Worlds.  So, perhaps, the fact of the 5th Epochal Revelation could be referenced but the contents might be delivered as the normal educational process of the survivors’ stories?   There is only one reality; the presentation of that reality should suffice to utilize the UB’s contents and fictionalize the experience of that reality for survivors.

    This might be a way to introduce and integrate other survivors who made the 3 day trip for spiritual reasons rather than knowledge?  (Not that the main characters survived because of “knowledge” rather than their own personal circle progress – what delivered such circle progress on Urantia for survivors?)  It remains my opinion that we can take such details too far for a fictionalized presentation of a personal experience in the future.  But our friend Rick asked for opinions…..hahahaha!  The story and style is great!  Perhaps a tweak in perspective might help bring the UB into the story without it becoming the story?  Personally, I would never ask others to weigh and comment on my writing.  I’m just too shy….hahhahaha!
    112:6.4 (1236.2) In the morontia estate the ascending mortal is endowed with the Nebadon modification of the cosmic-mind endowment of the Master Spirit of Orvonton. The mortal intellect, as such, has perished, has ceased to exist as a focalized universe entity apart from the undifferentiated mind circuits of the Creative Spirit. But the meanings and values of the mortal mind have not perished. Certain phases of mind are continued in the surviving soul; certain experiential values of the former human mind are held by the Adjuster; and there persist in the local universe the records of the human life as it was lived in the flesh, together with certain living registrations in the numerous beings who are concerned with the final evaluation of the ascending mortal, beings extending in range from seraphim to Universal Censors and probably on beyond to the Supreme.
    112:6.5 (1236.3) Creature volition cannot exist without mind, but it does persist in spite of the loss of the material intellect. During the times immediately following survival, the ascending personality is in great measure guided by the character patterns inherited from the human life and by the newly appearing action of morontia mota. And these guides to mansonia conduct function acceptably in the early stages of the morontia life and prior to the emergence of morontia will as a full-fledged volitional expression of the ascending personality.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  17. Do you mean this one?

    112:6.3 To a certain extent, the appearance of the material body-form is responsive to the character of the personality identity; the physical body does, to a limited degree, reflect something of the inherent nature of the personality. Still more so does the morontia form. In the physical life, mortals may be outwardly beautiful though inwardly unlovely; in the morontia life, and increasingly on its higher levels, the personality form will vary directly in accordance with the nature of the inner person. On the spiritual level, outward form and inner nature begin to approximate complete identification, which grows more and more perfect on higher and higher spirit levels.

    That’s the one, thanks.

    So, an out of control morontian will have an out of control body to match? That’s sort of the way it is here, so I suppose it would be even more so there. This means that there is value in learning to appreciate beauty in all its forms. Wouldn’t vanity serve a purpose then? Personally, I would want to look as beautiful as possible, which would mean discovering, recognizing, interpreting and doing all things beautiful. It would bring out the inner artist in me, that’s for sure. When you think about it, vanity was an unstepped emotion exhibited by Andon and Fonta and vanity is also an emotion that contributed to the development of society, it’s social. Vanity is only useful if you have someone else to parade yourself in front of. I would think that there must be higher forms of vanity without the problems of self-admiration, conceit and self-absorption. Isn’t pride in one’s accomplishments a useful tool for growth if tempered with humility? I think there’s some mota level of vanity out there to be discovered that is more in line with self-respect. I also think there are probably mirrors on mansonia, perhaps the mind-planning angels, who help us see ourselves as others see us, which might nudge us to want to be more beautiful.

    Vanity might be there, any animal legacy.

    48:6.25 Here you are face to face with true friends and understanding counselors, angels who are really able to help you “to see yourself as others see you” and “to know yourself as angels know you.”

    Odd that this quote is followed by the Jesus mind-exchange quote. There’s no more beautiful a mind than that! Seems as though the mind-exchange helps us see ourselves as others see us and as God sees us, and that’s pretty beautiful. I’m sure the Jesus mind-exchange works on the mansion worlds too. I’m also betting there’s a superconscious level to make contact with, that being the Adjuster, who is more readily discernible.

    Maybe a combination??

    Rick, I have a critique which I hope you won’t take poorly. I know you have to include TUB in your story, otherwise there’s no purpose to writing it. The problem I’m having is the way you’ve made it such a clearly identifiable part of the memory of your characters. I sincerely doubt the details of the book are transferable as active memory. My understanding is that memories of what is written in the book would have to be recollected as something familiar from the past. The words written in the book are not spiritually valuable until they become an active part of a personal religious experience (which I probably should define, but not now). TUB is central to the story, but I can’t see where an encyclopedic memory of the words in the book would have much value on the mansion worlds. That’s a monkey brain function, right? Your story, in my mind, is suggesting some sort of superiority for those who studied TUB, a kind of advanced understanding. I’m not sure that flies in the real world. Then again, my impressions could be all screwed up.

    Thanks for the critique. Hadn’t heard from you in ten pages or so, was beginning to worry, afraid you’d given up in abject frustration ;-)  

    The only justification I came up with for having them recall UB specifics is that those specific memories DO have spiritual significance, spiritual value. So they may not recall Paper 42’s many physical details. It was a spiritual experience for me finding the UB, will I forget that? I don’t know.

    But the lead characters aren’t superior except in knowing advanced facts, and the whole lot is due for Orientation (right on target Bradly!) on the third day after resurrection. Then they can take the 10 days off.

     

    Richard E Warren

  18. Bradly wrote: But our friend Rick asked for opinions…..hahahaha!  The story and style is great!

    I agree! The story is great.  I’m enjoying it.  I’ve also weighed the decision to say something heavily despite the obvious trouble in explaining myself.  My big fear, one that everyone already knows, is that TUB be treated as though it were a religion with an ideology.  This is why I made the comments I did in response to Chuck.  The same applies to TUB.  The words in TUB have meanings.  It’s about the meanings, not the words.  The way the mansion worlds are described in TUB, using the English language, are probably only a faint representation of what actually exists.  Descriptions on other planets would differ accordingly.  Anyway, I’m not sure I’m explaining this very well.

    In this next quote we’re told that our flesh and blood experience is just a hazy dream.  I am more than certain that recollection of what is written in TUB will be even hazier, if recollected at all.  It also says that time clarifies mortal associations.  I wonder if they’re talking about associations with other personalities or associations with text?  Probably not text, is what I’m thinking, because it is not essential to the ascension career. It doesn’t matter a hoot whether you’ve read the book or not, so I would be careful not to make it look like those who’ve read and studied it have a distinct advantage.  It’s not like any of us who get there will even remember having read it . . . maybe that’s what I’m saying . . . egad, I think I’m getting myself into a pickle here.

    112:5.21-22  And when you thus awaken on the mansion worlds of Jerusem, you will be so changed, the spiritual transformation will be so great that, were it not for your Thought Adjuster and the destiny guardian, who so fully connect up your new life in the new worlds with your old life in the first world, you would at first have difficulty in connecting the new morontia consciousness with the reviving memory of your previous identity. Notwithstanding the continuity of personal selfhood, much of the mortal life would at first seem to be a vague and hazy dream. But time will clarify many mortal associations.

    The Thought Adjuster will recall and rehearse for you only those memories and experiences which are a part of, and essential to, your universe career. If the Adjuster has been a partner in the evolution of aught in the human mind, then will these worth-while experiences survive in the eternal consciousness of the Adjuster. But much of your past life and its memories, having neither spiritual meaning nor morontia value, will perish with the material brain; much of material experience will pass away as onetime scaffolding which, having bridged you over to the morontia level, no longer serves a purpose in the universe. But personality and the relationships between personalities are never scaffolding; mortal memory of personality relationships has cosmic value and will persist. On the mansion worlds you will know and be known, and more, you will remember, and be remembered by, your onetime associates in the short but intriguing life on Urantia.

  19. Bradly wrote: But our friend Rick asked for opinions…..hahahaha! The story and style is great!

    I agree! The story is great. I’m enjoying it. I’ve also weighed the decision to say something heavily despite the obvious trouble in explaining myself. My big fear, one that everyone already knows, is that TUB be treated as though it were a religion with an ideology. This is why I made the comments I did in response to Chuck. The same applies to TUB. The words in TUB have meanings. It’s about the meanings, not the words. The way the mansion worlds are described in TUB, using the English language, are probably only a faint representation of what actually exists. Descriptions on other planets would differ accordingly. Anyway, I’m not sure I’m explaining this very well. In this next quote we’re told that our flesh and blood experience is just a hazy dream. I am more than certain that recollection of what is written in TUB will be even hazier, if recollected at all. It also says that time clarifies mortal associations. I wonder if they’re talking about associations with other personalities or associations with text? Probably not text, is what I’m thinking, because it is not essential to the ascension career. It doesn’t matter a hoot whether you’ve read the book or not, so I would be careful not to make it look like those who’ve read and studied it have a distinct advantage. It’s not like any of us who get there will even remember having read it . . . maybe that’s what I’m saying . . . egad, I think I’m getting myself into a pickle here.

    112:5.21-22 And when you thus awaken on the mansion worlds of Jerusem, you will be so changed, the spiritual transformation will be so great that, were it not for your Thought Adjuster and the destiny guardian, who so fully connect up your new life in the new worlds with your old life in the first world, you would at first have difficulty in connecting the new morontia consciousness with the reviving memory of your previous identity. Notwithstanding the continuity of personal selfhood, much of the mortal life would at first seem to be a vague and hazy dream. But time will clarify many mortal associations. The Thought Adjuster will recall and rehearse for you only those memories and experiences which are a part of, and essential to, your universe career. If the Adjuster has been a partner in the evolution of aught in the human mind, then will these worth-while experiences survive in the eternal consciousness of the Adjuster. But much of your past life and its memories, having neither spiritual meaning nor morontia value, will perish with the material brain; much of material experience will pass away as onetime scaffolding which, having bridged you over to the morontia level, no longer serves a purpose in the universe. But personality and the relationships between personalities are never scaffolding; mortal memory of personality relationships has cosmic value and will persist. On the mansion worlds you will know and be known, and more, you will remember, and be remembered by, your onetime associates in the short but intriguing life on Urantia.

    It’s very gratifying and encouraging that you two think the story is great, and most especially that you are enjoying it.

    I did make their memories a little hazy, at first. Then they had a visit with family members who’ve been on Mansonia a while, who helped them piece together a picture of their former life….Also, you have given me an idea. I don’t think it is implausible that Kala and Saro can obtain a copy of the UB, from the Satania System library! Why wouldn’t a copy, or a download equivalent, be there?

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    Richard E Warren

  20. I did make their memories a little hazy, at first. Then they had a visit with family members who’ve been on Mansonia a while, who helped them piece together a picture of their former life….Also, you have given me an idea. I don’t think it is implausible that Kala and Saro can obtain a copy of the UB, from the Satania System library! Why wouldn’t a copy, or a download equivalent, be there?

    well the 4th is certainly there otherwise it would not have been revealed to us in such beautiful detail.

    or do you think it’s just stuck in the memories of the revealators??

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