Rick Warren wrote: Ok, good points, but how can that work on judgment day? Surprise recordings?
No. I think we will naturally have many questions. When we seek answers, there will be those available to help. There are so many different kinds of recorders and teachers, it boggles the mind how much help we have.
Rick Warren wrote: Will we go into the chamber with little to no knowledge of our former lives or our mistakes, blunders and sins?
I already explained this, but I’ll try again, because obviously I’m not getting my thoughts across. Only the memory of corrected mistakes and blunders survive if the correction results in spiritual growth. Our sins do not survive because they are unreal. Sin is not a reality. Memory of sinning is not useful. Memory of the realization of having been forgiven will survive.
When we go to the resurrection chamber, we have several parts that must be reconstructed. Personality is one of them, and no one knows where it is between death and resurrection, but we do know that the archangels are in charge of preserving personality constitution. Another part is the soul. The soul is the survivable character matrix built up over the life in the flesh. Alone, the soul is not minded and has no memory. Memory is dependent upon the Adjuster who activates the character of the personality in the soul. The new morontia mind structure provides the arena in which the personality unifies its parts. Then there is a new morontia body made to reflect the character (soul) of the personality.
112:5.15 During the transit of surviving mortals from the world of origin to the mansion worlds, whether they experience personality reassembly on the third period or ascend at the time of a group resurrection, the record of personality constitution is faithfully preserved by the archangels on their worlds of special activities. These beings are not the custodians of personality (as the guardian seraphim are of the soul), but it is nonetheless true that every identifiable factor of personality is effectually safeguarded in the custody of these dependable trustees of mortal survival. As to the exact whereabouts of mortal personality during the time intervening between death and survival, we do not know.
Now the question seems to be, what sort of Adjuster memories activates the new morontia character (soul) of the personality? [Incidentally, the material character does not survive since it originates from physical genes.] Do you really think that the Adjuster is going to cherish and protect memories of murder and abuse, in the case of the primitive man who believes in original sin? No, of course not. Do you think your own Adjuster will bring along memories of your own really bad ideas, whatever they are? I am quite sure that those emotions of hate I had for my ex-husband with thoughts of kicking his butt from here to kingdom come, will not survive with my Adjuster. I can hardly remember them now, why would the Adjuster want to keep them for eternity if I don’t? Instead, my Adjuster will hold onto the awakening I had which allowed me to forgive him and forget the pain he caused me. Those little moments of light and understanding which resulted in changed thinking, and in turn, changed behavior, will last for eternity. My, and my Adjuster’s, experience of triumph over evil will leave a trail of actualized reality that cannot be destroyed. We did it! We will remember it. The crap that was going on in my head at the time that made me want to see him breathe his last breath is long gone. Why would I remember such stuff. When TUB says that our goal is to destroy evil with good, it really means destroy it. How can you bring something that is destroyed with you into eternity? You can’t. You can bring the experience of growth and progress with you though.
Rick Warren wrote: How can we be judged for a life whose memory has been deleted?
Rick, I don’t think you have a clear idea of what happens on “Judgment Day”. We are only judged on what is present in the soul, not what failed to get there. How can you measure something that doesn’t exist? Evil doesn’t exist as an actual. I don’t know how to explain this, but I’ll try to stumble through this.
Do you remember anything about the ancient Egyptian’s beliefs about the afterlife? If you recall, there is a ceremony called “Weighing of the Heart”. The heart was believed to be the center of thought and emotion. It was removed and placed in a special jar after death. During this ceremony, it was weighed against the principle of truth represented as a feather. If when the heart was placed on the scale of justice it balanced with the feather it would be returned to the deceased for eternal life, never to be removed again. They believed that wrongdoing and evil living would weigh the heart down and make it sink, not unlike the TUB quote which explains how a mind dedicated to material reality becomes more responsive to material gravity (becomes “heavier,” more material).
A light as a feather soul would be a soul responsive to spirit gravity. TUB’s idea of judgment day has many similarities. All that is in the soul is responsive to spiritual gravity. The soul, or what is in it, is guaranteed to survive in some form or another. The soul is not judged by its evil, its heaviness or response to material gravity. In fact, the soul is not really judged at all, it’s more like the weighing ceremony. Is there anything of value present or not? If not, the Adjuster doesn’t show up, and he doesn’t show up because there’s nothing there to show up for.
Rick Warren wrote: And when exactly are we judged? The day we arrive? Sometime, somewhere on Mansonia?
First of all, this is somewhat determined by circle status. Third circlers have a “judgment” immediately after death. Judgment in this case is between the destiny guardian and the Adjuster, then, when confirmed by the Universal Censors, the matter is sent up to the Ancients of Days who make the decree of advanced standing.
112.4.5 If, when death overtakes you, you have attained the third circle or a higher realm and therefore have had assigned to you a personal guardian of destiny, and if the final transcript of the summary of survival character submitted by the Adjuster is unconditionally certified by the destiny guardian — if both seraphim and Adjuster essentially agree in every item of their life records and recommendations — if the Universal Censors and their reflective associates on Uversa confirm this data and do so without equivocation or reservation, in that event the Ancients of Days flash forth the mandate of advanced standing over the communication circuits to Salvington, and, thus released, the tribunals of the Sovereign of Nebadon will decree the immediate passage of the surviving soul to the resurrection halls of the mansion worlds.
All others must wait for a dispensation and all such “judgments” take place on mansion worlds, and I believe it is number one since we all have to go there first. The angels are required to be there, but the Adjuster does not have to show up. If the Adjuster makes no answer, then there is no survival and the gig is up. The reason is because there has to be something of value that survives in order for the Adjuster to take up residence. So, it’s a matter of whether there is something of value present or nothing of value, or “nothing”. It’s not really a detailed judgment of all the things we’ve done in our lives, which you say requires memories, but rather what we have built up in our lives that has lasting value. There has to be something in the soul which would indicate a desire to do God’s will, regardless of how feeble. If there’s nothing there, there’s nothing there. That’s the “judgement;” it’s a discernment of the presence of something . . . anything resembling a desire for God’s will. If there is a desire, even an minuscule one, God shows up. That’s what he does! And that’s all you need on “Judgment Day”, for God to show up in some form, Adjuster, Son or Spirit.
113:6.7 And even so, when a planetary age ends, when those in the lower circles of mortal achievement are forgathered, it is their group guardians who reassemble them in the resurrection halls of the mansion spheres, even as your record tells: “And he shall send his angels with a great voice and shall gather together his elect from one end of the realm to another.”
113:6.8 The technique of justice demands that personal or group guardians shall respond to the dispensational roll call in behalf of all nonsurviving personalities. The Adjusters of such nonsurvivors do not return, and when the rolls are called, the seraphim respond, but the Adjusters make no answer. This constitutes the “resurrection of the unjust,” in reality the formal recognition of the cessation of creature existence. This roll call of justice always immediately follows the roll call of mercy, the resurrection of the sleeping survivors. But these are matters which are of concern to none but the supreme and all-knowing Judges of survival values. Such problems of adjudication do not really concern us.
113:6.9 Group guardians may serve on a planet age after age and eventually become custodians of the slumbering souls of thousands upon thousands of sleeping survivors. They can so serve on many different worlds in a given system since the resurrection response occurs on the mansion worlds.
49.6.7 Thus are the sleeping survivors of a planetary age repersonalized in the dispensational roll calls. But with regard to the nonsalvable personalities of a realm, no immortal spirit is present to function with the group guardians of destiny, and this constitutes cessation of creature existence. While some of your records have pictured these events as taking place on the planets of mortal death, they all really occur on the mansion worlds.
47:3.5 Regardless of the technique which may be employed on the individual worlds of time in connection with special or dispensational resurrections, the real and conscious reassembly of actual and complete personality takes place in the resurrection halls of mansonia number one. Throughout all eternity you will recall the profound memory impressions of your first witnessing of these resurrection mornings.
47:3.10 If you are not to be detained on mansion world number one, at the end of ten days you will enter the translation sleep and proceed to world number two, and every ten days thereafter you will thus advance until you arrive on the world of your assignment.
Rick Warren wrote: Resurrectees have to have a frame of being and reference, unless they are to be like new born earthlings, blank slate mind, no soul, no God fragment indwelling.
Resurrectees have a morontia level of the cosmic mind to build a new framework with. They have spiritually significant memories from the Adjuster, and they also have a self-consciousness due to the presence of personality. Personality additionally comes with a sense of sequentiality and the ability to recognize and respond to other personalities. Then there is the soul, which is the transformed character of the personality built up over a lifetime. Character is something worth studying if you’re going to write this story. Character is a personality’s nature, its own distinctive quality of expression. Soul character is an indicator of strength of conviction to universe values. Obviously, if you are strongly motivated to find God and be like him, it doesn’t matter where you are, here or there, you will respond to that urge and unify your new life around that purpose. You would immediately begin building new thought structures, or frameworks, with that goal in mind. The framework from the material mind would not be functional on the morontia worlds having been mere scaffolding. The new mind for the new world is built with Adjustered-memories. The Adjuster only brings memories of worth-while experiences with him. The erroneous stuff “returns to dust” along with that temporary scaffolding left behind.
112:5.22 The Thought Adjuster will recall and rehearse for you only those memories and experiences which are a part of, and essential to, your universe career. If the Adjuster has been a partner in the evolution of aught in the human mind, then will these worth-while experiences survive in the eternal consciousness of the Adjuster. But much of your past life and its memories, having neither spiritual meaning nor morontia value, will perish with the material brain; much of material experience will pass away as onetime scaffolding which, having bridged you over to the morontia level, no longer serves a purpose in the universe. But personality and the relationships between personalities are never scaffolding; mortal memory of personality relationships has cosmic value and will persist. On the mansion worlds you will know and be known, and more, you will remember, and be remembered by, your onetime associates in the short but intriguing life on Urantia.
