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"Resume their lives just where they left off when overtaken by death"
254 posts · 11 participants · started Aug 19, 2017, 7:09 PM
Jesus calls us his “Children” and the authors of the 5th revelation say we are the “Children” of God.
this is descriptive – and more than a family designation.
(138.3) 12:7.8 The Fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man present the paradox of the part and the whole on the level of personality. God loves each individual as an individual child in the heavenly family. Yet God thus loves every individual; he is no respecter of persons, and the universality of his love brings into being a relationship of the whole, the universal brotherhood.
(138.4) 12:7.9 The love of the Father absolutely individualizes each personality as a unique child of the Universal Father, a child without duplicate in infinity, a will creature irreplaceable in all eternity. The Father’s love glorifies each child of God, illuminating each member of the celestial family, sharply silhouetting the unique nature of each personal being against the impersonal levels that lie outside the fraternal circuit of the Father of all. The love of God strikingly portrays the transcendent value of each will creature, unmistakably reveals the high value which the Universal Father has placed upon each and every one of his children from the highest creator personality of Paradise status to the lowest personality of will dignity among the savage tribes of men in the dawn of the human species on some evolutionary world of time and space.
(138.5) 12:7.10 This very love of God for the individual brings into being the divine family of all individuals, the universal brotherhood of the freewill children of the Paradise Father. And this brotherhood, being universal, is a relationship of the whole. Brotherhood, when universal, discloses not the each relationship, but the all relationship. Brotherhood is a reality of the total and therefore discloses qualities of the whole in contradistinction [distinction by opposition or contrast] to qualities of the part.
(138.6) 12:7.11 Brotherhood constitutes a fact of relationship between every personality in universal existence. No person can escape the benefits or the penalties that may come as a result of relationship to other persons. The part profits or suffers in measure with the whole. The good effort of each man benefits all men; the error or evil of each man augments the tribulation of all men. As moves the part, so moves the whole. As the progress of the whole, so the progress of the part. The relative velocities of part and whole determine whether the part is retarded by the inertia of the whole or is carried forward by the momentum of the cosmic brotherhood.
(1898.2) 174:1.2 After a short silence Jesus looked significantly at all four and answered: “My brethren, you err in your opinions because you do not comprehend the nature of those intimate and loving relations between the creature and the Creator, between man and God. You fail to grasp that understanding sympathy which the wise parent entertains for his immature and sometimes erring child. It is indeed doubtful whether intelligent and affectionate parents are ever called upon to forgive an average and normal child. Understanding relationships associated with attitudes of love effectively prevent all those estrangements which later necessitate the readjustment of repentance by the child with forgiveness by the parent.
(1898.3) 174:1.3 “A part of every father lives in the child. The father enjoys priority and superiority of understanding in all matters connected with the child-parent relationship. The parent is able to view the immaturity of the child in the light of the more advanced parental maturity, the riper experience of the older partner. With the earthly child and the heavenly Father, the divine parent possesses infinity and divinity of sympathy and capacity for loving understanding. Divine forgiveness is inevitable; it is inherent and inalienable in God’s infinite understanding, in his perfect knowledge of all that concerns the mistaken judgment and erroneous choosing of the child. Divine justice is so eternally fair that it unfailingly embodies understanding mercy.
I’ve been hearing some talk how they don’t believe in God. He doesn’t exist.
Others who are talking with them tell them that God is there and that he’s close by.
They say it’s all for nothing, there’s no purpose it’s meaningless.
While their brothers and sisters who hear them standing by ask why?
They tell them to shut up they ask too many questions.
So it hurts to know the answers are waiting in reach nearby.
We here in this community do more than is believed.
And that for them is certainly oh just so very weird.
It makes me pause and wonder, why it’s so very hard for them to go.
To where is found that comfort, at home with love and joy.
Of all the perplexing problems growing out of the Lucifer rebellion, none has occasioned more difficulty than the failure of immature evolutionary mortals to distinguish between true and false liberty.
Immature = childlike, how Jesus referred to us.
but yes, yes, yes, I know who those people are, I read the Urantia book so it aint me.
its been festering for over 200k years and only I understand the difference between true and false liberty.????
There’s only one solution.
Everyone needs to become alike.
p435:4 39:4.11 What is loyalty? It is the fruit of an intelligent appreciation of universe brotherhood; one could not take so much and give nothing. As you ascend the personality scale, first you learn to be loyal, then to love, then to be filial, and then may you be free; but not until you are a finaliter, not until you have attained perfection of loyalty, can you self-realize finality of liberty.
Freedom begins with loyalty. What is loyalty? It is a wholehearted devotion to highest duty (3:5.12). What is our highest duty? To become God-like, to strive for perfection of divinity (1:0.4), which requires loving service to the universal brotherhood (that means everyone). You can’t be free, you are not permitted to enjoy personal liberty, unless you serve.
That’s the way the universe works. If you keep butting up against frustrating restraints, it’s either because you’re not playing by the rules or because you’re not mature enough to be allowed out of your playpen.
I make distinction between free and liberty. Free more defines what we are free of, like laws etc where liberty is more of a spiritual word. And just because it is spiritual don’t mean it is right. Think about this:
“True liberty is the quest of the ages and the reward of evolutionary progress. False liberty is the subtle deception of the error of time and the evil of space. Enduring liberty is predicated on the reality of justice—intelligence, maturity, fraternity, and equity”
Anyone want to take a stab at the evil of space or the error of time subtle deceptions?
Hi Midi – I agree wholeheartedly that (primary) Lanonandeks can teach their elder brothers MUCH about how best to nurture human cultures; that’s not the issue.
As I’m sure you can appreciate, all of Michael’s family (especially his elder Melchizedek and Vorondadek sons) understand that Nebadon EXISTS to allow the personalization of Adjusters by the human technique. But Lucifer convinced himself that Adjusters are not real; how can you have fragments of a non-existent Father?
In this sense, the fragility of Lucifer begins with delusion, not corruption.
Nigel
And just because it is spiritual don’t mean it is right.
What the heck are you talking about?
Gene asked: “Anyone want to take a stab at the evil of space or the error of time subtle deceptions?“
(613.4, 54:1.2) “True liberty is the quest of the ages and the reward of evolutionary progress. False liberty is the subtle deception of the error of time and the evil of space.”
Trinity Teacher Sons seem like the sort of guys to clarify such concepts:
(215.1, 19:1.4) “In this connection, however, it may be noted that Teacher Sons are the supreme co-ordinating personalities of Trinity origin. In such a far-flung universe of universes there is always great danger of succumbing to the error of the circumscribed viewpoint, to the evil inherent in a segmentalized conception of reality and divinity.”
Maybe “the evil of space” implies this “evil inherent in segmentalized (local) conceptions”?
Likewise, “the error of time” may simply imply the inevitable error of a circumscribed (time-dependent) viewpoint?
Both of these insufficiencies (inherent in any finite perspective) seem to apply to the “circumscribed viewpoint” and the “segmentalized conceptions” of Lucifer. In fact, weren’t these precisely his problems?
Nigel
And just because it is spiritual don’t mean it is right.
What the heck are you talking about?
lucifer is the example I had in mind. Evil and subtle deceptions we will be faced with beyond our Urania tenure.
Gene wrote:
“lucifer is the example I had in mind. Evil and subtle deceptions we will be faced with beyond our Urania tenure.”
Hi Gene – indeed! See my reply just above.
Nigel
Gene asked: “Anyone want to take a stab at the evil of space or the error of time subtle deceptions?“
(613.4, 54:1.2) “True liberty is the quest of the ages and the reward of evolutionary progress. False liberty is the subtle deception of the error of time and the evil of space.” Trinity Teacher Sons seem like the sort of guys to clarify such concepts:
(215.1, 19:1.4) “In this connection, however, it may be noted that Teacher Sons are the supreme co-ordinating personalities of Trinity origin. In such a far-flung universe of universes there is always great danger of succumbing to the error of the circumscribed viewpoint, to the evil inherent in a segmentalized conception of reality and divinity.” Maybe “the evil of space” implies this “evil inherent in segmentalized (local) conceptions”? Likewise, “the error of time” may simply imply the inevitable error of a circumscribed (time-dependent) viewpoint? Both of these insufficiencies (inherent in any finite perspective) seem to apply to the “circumscribed viewpoint” and the “segmentalized conceptions” of Lucifer. In fact, weren’t these precisely his problems? Nigel
Thx Nigel. Great quotes.
one thing is certain, we need to really understand the 5th revelation as I believe that the path to true liberty is laid out for us in it. And a Teacher Son perspective is most welcome.
Does the error of time and evil of space statements suggest that these challenges only exist in a finite universe? And any and all beings functioning in it are susceptible to being distracted by them?
Does the error of time and evil of space statements suggest that these challenges only exist in a finite universe? And any and all beings functioning in it are susceptible to being distracted by them?
Does this help?
111:6.3 The problem of sin is not self-existent in the finite world. The fact of finiteness is not evil or sinful. The finite world was made by an infinite Creator — it is the handiwork of his divine Sons — and therefore it must be good. It is the misuse, distortion, and perversion of the finite that gives origin to evil and sin.
Nebadon EXISTS to allow the personalization of Adjusters by the human technique. But Lucifer convinced himself that Adjusters are not real; how can you have fragments of a non-existent Father?
Nigel: I think that you may be putting the cart before the horse, with your implication that Lucifer was convinced that “Adjusters are not real;”, and one must keep in mind the time-line, and what we may understand as to the teachings being presented, in this case, on Urantia prior to the outbreak of rebellion. First, the reception of an automatic Thought Adjuster, was not until the time of Pentecost, therefore not everyone had an Adjuster. It is not mentioned as to whether Lucifer and his minions had a Thought Adjuster. We also know from the UB that prior to Pentecost there was a method in acquiring a Thought Adjuster. Also, we also know that the residents of Urantia were being taught about an “unseen Father” even to the point of having a temple dedicated in that name. Also, note that it mentions “unseen” not “Spiritual” and this would imply that being unseen, that the Father could be seen, in reality or physically, as would be interpreted by mortal residents. This same analogy could be likened to the Jewish temple having an area that housed the Ark of the Covenant that represented God to the Jew, yet considered as Spirit, not unseen, as might be implied or understood by followers, yet some were lead to believe the Priest in the Synagogue, where God’s representatives, needing to be followed. We know what Jesus spoke of these persons, same type of analogy, can be made. There is no mention that what was being taught prior to rebellion even mentioned Thought Adjusters which would have been a personal understanding by an individual, and how they might even acquire a Thought Adjuster. So, it can also be assumed that Lucifer was aware of Thought Adjusters but in his accusations it could not be assumed he was in reference to a Thought Adjuster, only that the residents and others were required to swear allegiance to an unseen God, as described by the teaching of that day. Also, if you are correct and the reference was to the Thought Adjuster, how can one swear allegiance to an entity located within oneself?
Had the teaching indicated “Spiritual Father” rather than “unseen Father” it might have directed the focus, by the students, away from their teachers, as representing something unseen as seen, therefore associating physical beings to the representatives of a God, similar to worshiping ideals.
Does the error of time and evil of space statements suggest that these challenges only exist in a finite universe? And any and all beings functioning in it are susceptible to being distracted by them?
Does this help?
111:6.3 The problem of sin is not self-existent in the finite world. The fact of finiteness is not evil or sinful. The finite world was made by an infinite Creator — it is the handiwork of his divine Sons — and therefore it must be good. It is the misuse, distortion, and perversion of the finite that gives origin to evil and sin.
yup!
Only mortal born ascenders have TA’s – not descending Sons. The Son’s Spirit had already been released on many worlds in the System (at least 606 mortal worlds with TA’s in the System) although many mortals born on Urantia had also received them prior to Pentecost – including the first two humans, Andon and Fonta. And the System had many, many finaliters in local service. So, TA’s are not and were not “hypothetical” anymore than the Supreme was/is.
53:3.6 (604.1) 3. The attack upon the universal plan of ascendant mortal training. Lucifer maintained that far too much time and energy were expended upon the scheme of so thoroughly training ascending mortals in the principles of universe administration, principles which he alleged were unethical and unsound. He protested against the agelong program for preparing the mortals of space for some unknown destiny and pointed to the presence of the finaliter corps on Jerusem as proof that these mortals had spent ages of preparation for some destiny of pure fiction. With derision he pointed out that the finaliters had encountered a destiny no more glorious than to be returned to humble spheres similar to those of their origin. He intimated that they had been debauched by overmuch discipline and prolonged training, and that they were in reality traitors to their mortal fellows since they were now co-operating with the scheme of enslaving all creation to the fictions of a mythical eternal destiny for ascending mortals. He advocated that ascenders should enjoy the liberty of individual self-determination. He challenged and condemned the entire plan of mortal ascension as sponsored by the Paradise Sons of God and supported by the Infinite Spirit.
It should be noted that not a single TA fused ascender was lost to rebellion:
53:7.10 (608.6) The ascending mortals were vulnerable, but they withstood the sophistries of rebellion better than the lower spirits. While many on the lower mansion worlds, those who had not attained final fusion with their Adjusters, fell, it is recorded to the glory of the wisdom of the ascension scheme that not a single member of the Satania ascendant citizenship resident on Jerusem participated in the Lucifer rebellion.
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
. . . how can one swear alleg1ance to an entity located within oneself?
What the heck are you talking about???
Only mortal born ascenders have TA’s – not descending Sons.
Yes, that is correct. And it is also a fact that Michael has direct contact with every one of his descending Sons. He knows, at all times and in all places, everything thing they think, feel, say and do.
20:1.13 The Creator Sons seem to possess a spiritual endowment centering in their persons, which they control and which they can bestow, as did your own Creator Son when he poured out his spirit upon all mortal flesh on Urantia. Each Creator Son is endowed with this spiritual drawing power in his own realm; he is personally conscious of every act and emotion of every descending Son of God serving in his domain. Here is a divine reflection, a local universe duplication, of that absolute spiritual drawing power of the Eternal Son which enables him to reach out to make and maintain contact with all his Paradise Sons, no matter where they may be in all the universe of universes.
