What is your definition of scripture? If you’re referring to only the first five books of the Old Testament, then you have a very narrow and fundamental viewpoint. Scripture means sacred writings. I already supplied you with a number of SACRED writings of the JEWS which talk of celestial beings. Did you read post 11040 where I said the following:
Perhaps you have not heard of Mastema, the Adversarial Angel, the Lord of Darkness, a violent spirit appearing in the Book of Jubilees, written between 160-150 BC, and the Zadokite Fragments, aka Damascus Document, from 75-50 BC? Mastema, also known as Mastemoth or Samael, is another name for Belial and Satan. The name does not matter, the concept of an evil celestial remains the same. Mastema was also associated with ancient Egypt instructing Egyptian sorcerers in the art of dark magic. In other words, this idea dates back much further than the Christian Era. There is a scroll from the Dead Sea Scrolls titled, “The Angels of Mastemoth and the Rule of Belial”. It presents Mastema and his angles as rebellious spirits. These same rebellious angels appear in Enoch, from 300BC, which calls them the Watchers, the fallen angels. In the “Testament of Amram,” composed in the first half of the second century BC, it is written:
“I raised my eyes and looked, one of them was terrifying in appearance, like a serpent, his cloak many-colored yet very dark . . . his appearance, visage like a viper . . . this Watcher, his three names were Belial, Prince of Darkness and King of Evil.”
Bonita, you are not getting my point. Hebrews believed in divine messengers who were ‘superhuman’ like in nature. They had no concept of non-corporeal or celestial beings. That is what I am arguing. What you produced are English translations which tell me nothing save that the translations reflect, to a degree, Christian dogma.
From a Luciferian perspective Belial, or whatever name you choose to give him, is the bringer of independence through the force of will. At Qumran he is considered to be the ruler of the mundane world, the “Lord of this Earth,” an angel of lawlessness. If you recall reading my thread on Zoroastrianism on the old forum, I mentioned the evil spirit, Angro Mainyu as the “Ruler of the World”. The two are comparable, and this very, very ancient concept of two rulers, evil and good, gave rise to many gnostic beliefs as well. As you can see, the concept of an evil celestial, an enemy of God who tortures mankind is steeped in both mythology and religion. The two are pretty much inseparable without revelation.
This tells me nothing and does not address the original issue of this thread, that is, TUB’s Lucifer narrative and a possible connection to Church history.
Clearly what I wrote about above was considered to be sacred writings, or scripture, by the Jews. Many, if not all of the books were part of the synagogue libraries before the Christian Era.
Bonita, when I say to supply scripture, I am referring to scripture in original tongue, so that I can examine it and see if any conveys this idea that Hebrew ‘angels’ were celestial/non-corporeal beings. You are supplying English translations. That does not help.
126:3.8 While turning all these problems over in his mind, he found in the synagogue library at Nazareth, among the apocalyptic books which he had been studying, this manuscript called “The Book of Enoch” . . .
The Enoch scripture does not speak of celestial or non-corporeal beings. I have copies of the Ethiopic and Slavonic translation, and neither one contains scripture portraying “angels” as non-corporeal in nature.
