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Did the Midwayers narrate Church history as "War in Heaven"?

269 posts · 8 participants · started Oct 22, 2014, 5:46 PM

  1. Hi Midi,

    140:5.2 Jesus loves mankind with a dual affection. He lived on earth as a twofold personality— human and divine. As the Son of God he loves man with a fatherly love—he is man’s Creator, his universe Father. As the Son of Man, Jesus loves mortals as a brother—he was truly a man among men.

    Dual vs twofold; probably the same.

    Divine vs celestial; granted, not all celestial are of divine origin or indeed divine but all divinity must be other than human, celestial.

    I’ll leave it to the language experts to debate.

    Manny

  2. MidiChlorian wrote:  Incorrect!  Jesus was just as human as Moses and Saul/Paul.  If you truly believe that He was a celestial, then you have missed the entire point of His existence on Earth.  On this I will not budge and this I know as a fact! 

    So sorry about your immense wrongness Midi and your misunderstanding and misrepresentation of this revelation. But as I promised, I will challenge you, because this is the free service I provide.

    Jesus did not suffer from multiple personality disorder.  Jesus had only ONE personality, the same personality he had while on Paradise.  When he incarnated, his personality was nowhere else to be found except on our little blue planet.  He came here bringing his personality with him.  He did not leave it behind and find a new one.  Each individual gets only one personality; there is no swapping it out.

    I’m certain you’re confusing his personality with his mind.  The MIND of Jesus was both human and divine, but his PERSONALITY is, was, and always will be CELESTIAL AND DIVINE regardless of where he was, is or will be serving.

  3. It’s interesting that this thread has come full circle.  We are now entering the debate which made St. Lucifer famous, the debate concerning Arianism, an idea of which he was staunchly opposed.  Below I quoted a brief history of Arianism  from the Encyclopedia of World Religions, 2006:

    4th-century Christian heresy founded in Alexandria by the priest Arius.  He taught that Christ was not coequal and coeternal with God the Father, for the Father had created him.  To curb Arianism, the Emperor Constantine called the first Council of Nicaea (325), and the first Nicene Creed declared that God the Father and Christ the Son were of the same substance.  Arianism later almost triumphed, but most of the church returned to orthodoxy by the end of the century.  Though checked within the Roman Empire, Arianism was by no means dead, particularly among the German tribes in the north who has [sic] been converted to this type of Christianity by Wulfila and his successors.

    During their invasions into Roman lands, they frequently persecuted the native Christians, but they were themselves eventually destroyed or converted.  Thus it was the armies of Justinian I that destroyed Arianism among the Vandals in Africa (533) and the Ostrogoths in Italy (540).  The Visigoths in Spain were brought into the church through the conversion of their king in 587.

    And, here’s a description of Arianism from the New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01707c.htm):

    He described the Son as a second, or inferior God, standing midway between the First Cause and creatures; as Himself made out of nothing, yet as making all things else; as existing before the worlds of the ages; and as arrayed in all divine perfections except the one which was their stay and foundation. God alone was without beginning, unoriginate; the Sonwas originated, and once had not existed. For all that has origin must begin to be.

    Such is the genuine doctrine of Arius. Using Greek terms, it denies that the Son is of one essence,nature, or substance with God; He is not consubstantial (homoousios) with the Father, and therefore not like Him, or equal in dignity, or co-eternal, or within the real sphere of Deity. The Logos which St. John exalts is an attribute, Reason, belonging to the Divine nature, not a person distinct from another, and therefore is a Son merely in figure of speech. These consequences follow upon the principle which Arius maintains in his letter to Eusebius of Nicomedia, that the Son “is no part of the Ingenerate.” Hence the Arian sectaries who reasoned logically were styled Anomoeans: they said that the Son was “unlike” the Father. And they defined God as simply the Unoriginate. They are also termed the Exucontians (ex ouk onton), because they held the creation of the Son to be out of nothing.

    Odd that St. Lucifer fought against the idea that the Father and the Son are not one and contended vehemently that they are ONE.  It seems to me that Lucifer, the anti-saint, argued the opposite, that the Father and the Son are NOT one; in fact his position was that the Father did not exist at all and that the Son had no inherent right to rule.  It seems to me that St. Lucifer and Lucifer the anti-saint were at complete odds on this issue.  So why would anyone want to use St. Lucifer as a model for Lucifer the anti-saint?  It makes no sense at all.

    Oh, and incidentally, it was not the midwayers who wrote the Paper 53, The Lucifer Rebellion. It was written by  Manovandet Melchizedek, onetime attached to the receivership of Urantia.

     

  4. (1317.1) 119:7.5 Joshua ben Joseph, the Jewish baby, was conceived and was born into the world just as all other babies before and since except that this particular baby was the incarnation of Michael of Nebadon, a divine Son of Paradise and the creator of all this local universe of things and beings. And this mystery of the incarnation of Deity within the human form of Jesus, otherwise of natural origin on the world, will forever remain unsolved. Even in eternity you will never know the technique and method of the incarnation of the Creator in the form and likeness of his creatures. That is the secret of Sonarington, and such mysteries are the exclusive possession of those divine Sons who have passed through the bestowal experience.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  5. (1343.1) 121:8.12 [Acknowledgment: In carrying out my commission to restate the teachings and retell the doings of Jesus of Nazareth, I have drawn freely upon all sources of record and planetary information. My ruling motive has been to prepare a record which will not only be enlightening to the generation of men now living, but which may also be helpful to all future generations. From the vast store of information made available to me, I have chosen that which is best suited to the accomplishment of this purpose. As far as possible I have derived my information from purely human sources. Only when such sources failed, have I resorted to those records which are superhuman. When ideas and concepts of Jesus’ life and teachings have been acceptably expressed by a human mind, I invariably gave preference to such apparently human thought patterns. Although I have sought to adjust the verbal expression the better to conform to our concept of the real meaning and the true import of the Master’s life and teachings, as far as possible, I have adhered to the actual human concept and thought pattern in all my narratives. I well know that those concepts which have had origin in the human mind will prove more acceptable and helpful to all other human minds. When unable to find the necessary concepts in the human records or in human expressions, I have next resorted to the memory resources of my own order of earth creatures, the midwayers. And when that secondary source of information proved inadequate, I have unhesitatingly resorted to the superplanetary sources of information.

    (1343.2) 121:8.13 The memoranda which I have collected, and from which I have prepared this narrative of the life and teachings of Jesus — aside from the memory of the record of the Apostle Andrew — embrace thought gems and superior concepts of Jesus’ teachings assembled from more than two thousand human beings who have lived on earth from the days of Jesus down to the time of the inditing of these revelations, more correctly restatements. The revelatory permission has been utilized only when the human record and human concepts failed to supply an adequate thought pattern. My revelatory commission forbade me to resort to extrahuman sources of either information or expression until such a time as I could testify that I had failed in my efforts to find the required conceptual expression in purely human sources.

    (1343.3) 121:8.14 While I, with the collaboration of my eleven associate fellow midwayers and under the supervision of the Melchizedek of record, have portrayed this narrative in accordance with my concept of its effective arrangement and in response to my choice of immediate expression, nevertheless, the majority of the ideas and even some of the effective expressions which I have thus utilized had their origin in the minds of the men of many races who have lived on earth during the intervening generations, right on down to those who are still alive at the time of this undertaking. In many ways I have served more as a collector and editor than as an original narrator. I have unhesitatingly appropriated those ideas and concepts, preferably human, which would enable me to create the most effective portraiture of Jesus’ life, and which would qualify me to restate his matchless teachings in the most strikingly helpful and universally uplifting phraseology. In behalf of the Brotherhood of the United Midwayers of Urantia, I most gratefully acknowledge our indebtedness to all sources of record and concept which have been hereinafter utilized in the further elaboration of our restatement of Jesus’ life on earth.]

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  6. Jesus did not suffer from multiple personality disorder. Jesus had only ONE personality, the same personality he had while on Paradise. When he incarnated, his personality was nowhere else to be found except on our little blue planet. He came here bringing his personality with him. He did not leave it behind and find a new one. Each individual gets only one personality; there is no swapping it out. I’m certain you’re confusing his personality with his mind. The MIND of Jesus was both human and divine, but his PERSONALITY is, was, and always will be CELESTIAL AND DIVINE regardless of where he was, is or will be serving.

    Me here:  Jesus was Michael at birth and Michael was Jesus.  One did not become the other but both were one.  A singular personality as Bonita says.

    And there is only epochal and personal revelation –  the writings of humans are expressions of personal revelation (their own) or expressions of personal commentary on epochal revelation.  Since Pentacost there have been no revelations received by any human that were intended for any other human – the Spirit of Truth has ended all “second hand” revelation – from one mortal to another.  I am curious as to the role of prophets though before this time of Michael’s gift.  Neither Jews nor Christians have deemed another as a prophet since these times.  Interesting.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  7. from the Encyclopedia of World Religions

    Yah, Bonita, I bought the book because it was listed as a reference which stated that the Urantia Book represented a UFO Religion and I needed to verify the source of the material, which I challenged the on-line entry.  It would seem that reading the actual reference text that person making the on-line reference can’t read either but in some cases as long as one can find word in print reference, regardless of the source of the material and its possible bias, it is okay to imply that what is on the internet is gospel truth.  Buy the book and you will see that its authorship and contributors are of one specific religious sect, therefore, the content could be considered as bias to that religious thought.   In the various articles listed in this book, are accompanied with commentary and information used to determine its content, however the on-line listing does not show these references, whereby the idea is to buy the book where which the authors will benefit monetarily.

    Although, your literal interpretation of the UB would justify the labeling of the UB as a UFO religion, which in itself has an interesting definition.

  8. 140:5.2 Jesus loves mankind with a dual affection. He lived on earth as a twofold personality— human and divine. As the Son of God he loves man with a fatherly love—he is man’s Creator, his universe Father. As the Son of Man, Jesus loves mortals as a brother—he was truly a man among men.

    Dual vs twofold; probably the same.

    Manny, note the last phrase from the quote you provided, however your last statement above does require additional research, in that “twofold” can go back to its root base as double measure, nevertheless, the base root of “twofold” is the suffix “-fold”.

    “-fold” –

    1. a native English suffix meaning “of so many parts,” or denoting multiplication by the number indicated by the stem or word to which the suffix is attached: twofold; manifold.

    Origin – Middle English; Old English -fald, -feald, cognate with Old Frisian, Old Saxon -fald, German -falt, Old Norse -faldr, Gothic -falths, all representing the Germanic base of fold1; akin to Greek -ploos, -plous (see haplo-, diplo- ), Latin -plus (see simple, double, etc.), -plex -plex

    Middle English dictionary:  http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/m/mec/med-idx?size=First+100&type=orths&q1=twofold&rgxp=constrained

    twōfōld (adj.) Also twofolde, tofolde & (early) twafalt, twavalt.

    1. (a) Consisting of two elements or parts, having two aspects; of two kinds; two in number; of a measure: double; also, as noun: two sins [quot. a1225]; ~ in the yer, repeated twice a year, biannual; maken ~, to double (sin), make doubly grievous; (b) folded in two, doubled, double; turnen ~, to fold (sth.) over; turnen up ~, double over, become folded back or up;— ?used in fig. context; (c) as adv.: doubly.

    2. Of two minds, inconstant; ?also, duplicitous.

  9.  . . .  embrace thought gems and superior concepts of Jesus’ teachings assembled from more than two thousand human beings who have lived on earth from the days of Jesus down to the time of the inditing of these revelations, more correctly restatements.

    . . . .the majority of the ideas and even some of the effective expressions which I have thus utilized had their origin in the minds of the men of many races who have lived on earth during the intervening generations, right on down to those who are still alive at the time of this undertaking.
    WOW!  Every time I read that I get chills.  Do you realize that the midwayers have access to our thoughts?  Some of us reading this forum and thinking about it might be formulating thoughts profound enough to get midwayer attention.  Some deep thinkers might even have their ideas registered in the midwayer thought bank of worthwhile human contemplation.  How great is that?  Makes you want to think and think and think, then think some more.
  10. TUB is a book or writings. What makes TUB different from previous ‘spiritual’ writings?

     

    Me here:  AUTHORSHIP is the difference….the SOURCE of information is the difference…..AUTHORITY is the difference due to AUTHORSHIP & SOURCE.

    BB – to take your assertion to any logical progress, one would have to believe that I (and all of us) am, right now, writing scripture  by your definition as we write about epochal revelation.  Not only did humans write the words which others then, much later, called them scripture.  Were they scripture when written?  Or only when collected and selected for a volume?  Much was written that did not make the selection process.  So it is not the judgment of the author but of a cleric that determines that which is or is not scripture?  Or do I understand you to say that not only do I write scripture here but also write revelation as well since I write ABOUT revelation?  Where are these lines drawn?  Who draws them?  The UB claims only one written epochal revelation and 4 living ones.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  11. MidiChlorian wrote: Buy the book and you will see that its authorship and contributors are of one specific religious sect, therefore, the content could be considered as bias to that religious thought.

    I do own the book, have so since 2006.  Where do you think I got the quote from? But then again, it may not be an authorized copy, since I bought it for a bargain price.  She says, rolling her eyes

    MidiChlorian wrote:  Although, your literal interpretation of the UB would justify the labeling of the UB as a UFO religion, which in itself has an interesting definition.

    Speak for yourself dude.

  12. Me here:  AUTHORSHIP is the difference….the SOURCE of information is the difference…..AUTHORITY is the difference due to AUTHORSHIP & SOURCE.

    EXACTLY!!

    The problem is that some people on this forum do not accept the authority of the celestial authors, while some of us do.  BB and Midi keep screaming that those who accept the authority of the authorship are literalist, close minded dummkopfs.  And therein lies the rub.

  13. I am curious if any of the real gospel of Jesus could get into the mind of an individual who has no formal religion at all, not read the bible or TUB or any other religious document.

     

  14. nelsong wrote:  I am curious if any of the real gospel of Jesus could get into the mind of an individual who has no formal religion at all, not read the bible or TUB or any other religious document.

    That’s a really excellent question Nelson.  The UB gives us a hint in this next quote:

    34:5.5 Though the Spirit of Truth is poured out upon all flesh, this spirit of the Son is almost wholly limited in function and power by man’s personal reception of that which constitutes the sum and substance of the mission of the bestowal Son.

    So, any person who accepts the sum and substance of Michael’s bestowal mission has access to the Spirit of Truth.  What is the sum and substance of the bestowal mission?  It is simply the worship of God and the service of man as stated in the quote below:

    159:5.7 The worship of God and the service of man became the sum and substance of his religion.

    Anyone who worships God and tries to love his neighbor has the Spirit of Truth within him.  Any person who has the Spirit of Truth within him is potentially living the gospel of Jesus.  It doesn’t have to be the “Christian God” or the Church’s definition of service.  As long as a person is conscious of the indwelling Spirit and lives his life as if in the presence of God has everything they need even if they never have any exposure at all to formal religion or so-called scripture.  That’s how I see it.

     

  15. Anyone who worships God and tries to love his neighbor has the Spirit of Truth within him. Any person who has the Spirit of Truth within him is potentially living the gospel of Jesus. It doesn’t have to be the “Christian God” or the Church’s definition of service. As long as a person is conscious of the indwelling Spirit and lives his life as if in the presence of God has everything they need even if they never have any exposure at all to formal religion or so-called scripture. That’s how I see it.

     

     

    I agree. And this is the nature of the 4th epochical revelation and how it gets into our minds independent of the writings of the New Testament authors, no? The urges to worship God and serve our fellow human beings, the sense of brotherhood.

  16. I agree. And this is the nature of the 4th epochical revelation and how it gets into our minds independent of the writings of the New Testament authors, no? The urges to worship God and serve our fellow human beings, the sense of brotherhood.

    Yup, that’s my opinion too.  Scriptures are completely unnecessary and sometimes actually get in the way.  I do appreciate people sharing their inspirations though, so I do read scriptures, but with an OPEN MIND to truth.

  17. I agree. And this is the nature of the 4th epochical revelation and how it gets into our minds independent of the writings of the New Testament authors, no? The urges to worship God and serve our fellow human beings, the sense of brotherhood.

    Me here:  Such an important (and timely) point nelson, well said!  We must not forget, perhaps especially in this topic, how truth is disseminated to EVERYONE and not only to those who READ or have books of any kind.  It was a crime to read or to own “scripture” for many centuries after the resurrection and the masses were far too illiterate for such to matter much.  The written word was quite an exclusive and very limited source of anything at all until the past few centuries, more like one century.

    The Mother Spirit is delivering a yearning for truth and the capacity for its discernment to every single mind that ever lived through the Adjutants…not books or scripture.  If the mind should come to a state of worship and wisdom, the Father Spirit enters the mind and another connection to truth ministry is empowered.  Once the Son Spirit is given, the Spirit of Truth sings the truth and stirs the soul.  All work to bring truth, beauty, and goodness to each mind….always.

    My opinion now is that love itself is that which brings the brightest and most accessible form of truth to mortal minds and lives.  Love is the device or vehicle which verifies a soul to other souls and is the very expression of mortal mind which illuminates truth regardless of beliefs, facts, knowledge, creed, dogma, scripture, etc.  The more that love of others drives the mind forward into purpose, priority, intent, and choice, the more enlightened the mind and the more responsive the soul to spirit gravity.  Love is Deity’s secret sauce that trumps all other sources of spirit progress and verifies such progress by the fruit that comes from such souls.  Don’t need any scripture or holy books for this power or process.  Such a mind may be filled with misinformation and believe in falsehoods….doesn’t matter…..not really.  What good then any words of any kind if there is no love and no ability to discern truth?  It is by this transformative power of love that those who know absolutely nothing about anything “holy” or “written”, no matter how primitive or ignorant, may and do progress in the spirit throughout our history these past million years and still delivers the same to every mind everywhere.  Love is truth, words are not.  Or not without love too.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  18. BB – I hope you will forgive this tangent of thought on a broader topic that impinges upon the discussion at hand.  The following has nothing at all to do with any of your words posted or your beliefs or intentions expressed here or elsewhere….it is not directed AT you Brother but I think it is important.  Our recent discussion on the meaning of “revelation” and its source(s) and expression(s) is what brought my mind to the issues below.

    I’d like to discuss the topic of channeling and why the Association has a zero tolerance for it at study groups, conferences, and here at the site (the “why” is my expression and not “policy” or stated by the organization….so this is my personal take on it only).  It has to do with the claim in the UB that there are only two forms of revelation, especially so since Pentacost;  Epochal Revelation and Auto/Personal Revelation (auto means “self” interestingly enough).  There is no provision given for the second hand or person to person form of “revelation” claimed by those who hear, speak to, or speak for Deity or celestials.  This does not mean that people don’t receive revelation but it does mean IF they receive TRUE revelation, then it is meant for THEM personally.

    Such claimants are not peculiar to nor originate with the Urantia Book readership.  Mediumship is ancient in its origin and has persisted in many different forms since time began and still does today.  Those who participate in it as practitioners claim the ability to hear and often speak to angels, spirits, celestials, even dead or divine persons and feel it their role/calling to share this with others and on their behalf….messages from celestials and for other mortals.  The Urantia movement has had a small fringe element of such ones for many decades and they have caused endless confusions and conflicts with these claims and practices.  This is an example of the slippery slope that can come if the term revelation is not rather precisely defined and why, I think, the authors took such care to be precise and redundant in their discussions on what revelation is and is not….to eliminate error and reduce confusion about topics filled with error and confusion for most all mortals.

    Why do people think they receive revelation?  Because we do of course.  But the authors admonish and instruct us repeatedly and clearly that any mind in contact with the Adjutants of worship and wisdom and with intuition and imagination has the unfortunate, but quite natural, ability for self delusion, confusion, and all manner of error.  A mind that can ascend and transcend MUST ALSO provide the capacity  for these other potentials as well.  We are taught it is difficult for the mind to sort the wheat and chaff without significant experience in discernment and acquired wisdom by the fruits of the spirit.  We are also taught that ONLY the Spirits of Deity (and NOT celestials – Guardians are agents of the Mother’s Spirit remember and they DO work with the TA in some form) speak to mind and that we cannot differentiate one of them from another.

    So you see, those who claim authority FOR their mediumship FROM the UB are wrong in multiple ways that contradict that which they claim as their authority to CONTINUE or CORRECT epochal revelation….and that is their claim.  They speak to celestials (individually and by name), they speak for those celestials to other mortals giving instruction and news,  and they claim this to be revelation….second hand revelation as I call it……or they claim they continue the 5th by “writing about it” – ongoing scripture.  Others believe that the UB is revelation but that it requires an unlocking by certain keys of “understanding” and “interpretation” of its “figurative” contents.  Truly, there is one on a forum I attend which claims the UB is a metaphorical fairy tale which can only be decoded by charting the stars with astrology.  Some who are mediums are gathering “other” reservists for the next epochal upheaval and return of Michael or some other form of “end of times” predictions.   The no channeling policy of the Association is really only about the clear declaration that there simply is no provision for such practices and claims in the Revelation itself.

    I only say these things to help others understand that long time readers who come to share a “literal” appreciation for the teachings as given and specified therein, have lived with the results of those who believe in the figurative interpretation of an epochal revelation or any continuation of such a revelation by mortal mind and hand.  We feel blessed to have been given and to have discovered this truthbook.  Now, let me reiterate that it is not important to me or any others I know that readers and students and truthseekers should come to believe the book’s claim about itself because we have come to do so…..none of us believed it either for some period of time – sometimes a long period of time.  It is fabled that Sadler was the last forumite to believe it!!  So all are welcome here regardless of belief or disbelief, doubt or skepticism, preconception and misconception (we all had plenty of those when we found the UB and we still do to a degree no doubt).

    This is what I mean though when I say, the book says what it says and don’t say what it don’t say!!  For if this book is not a revelation or if it were written as metaphor, then it is nothing more than words printed on paper.  And while a book is truly only words printed on paper, this book has the power to transform lives within its words, if they say what they mean and if the authors meant what they wrote.  So we can truly only discuss that which is written and what is written is that this is the 5th Epochal Revelation gifted to our world and the first ever in writing, and that it is authored by celestials, and that they wrote as clearly and precisely as possible given the constraints and limitations acknowledged, and its purpose is to eliminate error and reduce confusion while harmonizing spiritual, scientific, and philosophical realities for believers.

     

    Again….just one tadpole’s opinion and perspective.  Cheers!!  ;-)

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  19. It’s interesting that this thread has come full circle. We are now entering the debate which made St. Lucifer famous, the debate concerning Arianism, an idea of which he was staunchly opposed. Below I quoted a brief history of Arianism from the Encyclopedia of World Religions, 2006:

    4th-century Christian heresy founded in Alexandria by the priest Arius. He taught that Christ was not coequal and coeternal with God the Father, for the Father had created him. To curb Arianism, the Emperor Constantine called the first Council of Nicaea (325), and the first Nicene Creed declared that God the Father and Christ the Son were of the same substance. Arianism later almost triumphed, but most of the church returned to orthodoxy by the end of the century. Though checked within the Roman Empire, Arianism was by no means dead, particularly among the German tribes in the north who has [sic] been converted to this type of Christianity by Wulfila and his successors. During their invasions into Roman lands, they frequently persecuted the native Christians, but they were themselves eventually destroyed or converted. Thus it was the armies of Justinian I that destroyed Arianism among the Vandals in Africa (533) and the Ostrogoths in Italy (540). The Visigoths in Spain were brought into the church through the conversion of their king in 587.

    And, here’s a description of Arianism from the New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01707c.htm):

    He described the Son as a second, or inferior God, standing midway between the First Cause and creatures; as Himself made out of nothing, yet as making all things else; as existing before the worlds of the ages; and as arrayed in all divine perfections except the one which was their stay and foundation. God alone was without beginning, unoriginate; the Sonwas originated, and once had not existed. For all that has origin must begin to be.

    Such is the genuine doctrine of Arius. Using Greek terms, it denies that the Son is of one essence,nature, or substance with God; He is not consubstantial (homoousios) with the Father, and therefore not like Him, or equal in dignity, or co-eternal, or within the real sphere of Deity. The Logos which St. John exalts is an attribute, Reason, belonging to the Divine nature, not a person distinct from another, and therefore is a Son merely in figure of speech. These consequences follow upon the principle which Arius maintains in his letter to Eusebius of Nicomedia, that the Son “is no part of the Ingenerate.” Hence the Arian sectaries who reasoned logically were styled Anomoeans: they said that the Son was “unlike” the Father. And they defined God as simply the Unoriginate. They are also termed the Exucontians (ex ouk onton), because they held the creation of the Son to be out of nothing.

    Odd that St. Lucifer fought against the idea that the Father and the Son are not one and contended vehemently that they are ONE. It seems to me that Lucifer, the anti-saint, argued the opposite, that the Father and the Son are NOT one; in fact his position was that the Father did not exist at all and that the Son had no inherent right to rule. It seems to me that St. Lucifer and Lucifer the anti-saint were at complete odds on this issue. So why would anyone want to use St. Lucifer as a model for Lucifer the anti-saint? It makes no sense at all. Oh, and incidentally, it was not the midwayers who wrote the Paper 53, The Lucifer Rebellion. It was written by Manovandet Melchizedek, onetime attached to the receivership of Urantia.

     

    Interesting. That does punch a hole in the idea that the history was used in writing the rebellion paper.

    BB

  20. The Mother Spirit is delivering a yearning for truth and the capacity for its discernment to every single mind that ever lived through the Adjutants…not books or scripture.  If the mind should come to a state of worship and wisdom, the Father Spirit enters the mind and another connection to truth ministry is empowered.  Once the Son Spirit is given, the Spirit of Truth sings the truth and stirs the soul.  All work to bring truth, beauty, and goodness to each mind….always.

    Yes, and because it’s my pet interest, let’s not forget about the Holy Spirit.  The Holy Spirit is not the adjutants, she is superadjutant and a lot of people forget to mention her holy presence within the mind.  What makes her so special is the addition of personality presence.  The adjutants do not have personality, but the Holy Spirit is a “personality encircuitment.”  Her presence is able to enlighten the mind to the presence of the pre-personality of the Father himself, as well as the personality presence of the Spirit of the Father and the Son (Spirit of Truth).  The Holy Spirit is part of all bona fide human minds, and  “. . .  long before either the bestowals of the divine Sons or the universal bestowal of the Adjusters, this influence functions to enlarge man’s viewpoint of ethics, religion, and spirituality.” (p1129:01)  

     

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