112 posts · 9 participants · started Oct 9, 2017, 2:36 PM
What other ways or techniques are likely?
I remember this one for example: “Tempt not the angels of your supervision to lead you in troublous ways as a loving discipline designed to save your ease-drifting souls.” (178:1.10 ) Troublous ways seem not to be direct admonishments, but somehow the action of angels who are supervising us lead us to challenging situations for loving reasons. I’d still like to have a list of all the help we have to urge us to grow.
What other ways or techniques are likely?
Whatever they are, I know they are bursting with loving tenderness. I personally have never felt anything harsh coming from what I recognize as the presence of God within me. Has anyone here felt anything close to a chastisement coming from direction of their souls? I agree that our own conscience can do this, but I doubt the voice of God, in whatever form he speaks, uses such techniques.
In terms of admonitions in the form of warnings, I have definitely felt trepidations concerning something I’m about to do, want to do or say or am just contemplating the value of doing or saying. How many times have you said, “I just had a feeling not to ___”. I’m sure sometimes those feelings come from the conscience, sometimes from the subconscious, sometimes from the urgings of the higher adjutants . . . and sometimes I think it can come from the Adjuster or other spirit influences within the soul. They tell us that not every strong feeling to do this or that comes from the Adjuster, but what about those faint, distant feelings to NOT do this or that? A feeling, or warning, that you shouldn’t do this or that is a kind of admonition to pay more attention, to work harder for self-control.
(1766.2) 159:3.6 Sometime the children of the kingdom will realize that strong feelings of emotion are not equivalent to the leadings of the divine spirit. To be strongly and strangely impressed to do something or to go to a certain place, does not necessarily mean that such impulses are the leadings of the indwelling spirit.
They tell us that not every strong feeling to do this or that comes from the Adjuster, but what about those faint, distant feelings to NOT do this or that? A feeling, or warning, that you shouldn’t do this or that is a kind of admonition to pay more attention, to work harder for self-control.
This is very much a part of my experiences every day. I think it’s most often best to not act when these bells and alarms go off.
However, I have noticed that acting in spite of everything seeming to indicate otherwise, was the right thing to do sometimes though.
It’s difficult to know if the feeling of being alerted is to act, or not to act. But with age, the memories of past experiences in these cases, being successful or not, becomes a greater and greater template to use for future reference.
Well they do tell us that the measure of greatness on this planet is the ability to hold your tongue. So, goodness is often about what you DON’T do or say . . . since goodness and greatness are married.
28:6.20 And the manifestation of greatness on a world like Urantia is the exhibition of self-control. The great man is not he who “takes a city” or “overthrows a nation,” but rather “he who subdues his own tongue.”
28:6.21 Greatness is synonymous with divinity. God is supremely great and good. Greatness and goodness simply cannot be divorced.
But the question asked at the beginning of this thread was, what happens when we disobey the Thought Adjuster’s admonitions. One thing I know for sure is that God does not punish. When we get out of tune, he tries harder to bring us back in tune. He never really gives up on a person. And I don’t like the word “disobey”, as though God were a dictator with laws that must be followed like the Old Testament god. Free will is sovereign. If a person decides to do stupid things, then that person suffers the consequences. We know that the law is life. When people disobey life, they end up dying.
p555:1 48:6.22 Law is life itself and not the rules of its conduct. Evil is a transgression of law, not a violation of the rules of conduct pertaining to life, which is the law.
I don’t think it’s a matter of obeying or disobeying the Adjuster. The matter is attuning to the Adjuster. The Old Testament god demanded atonement for disobedience. The Fifth Epochal Revelation God demands attunement.
(437.5) 39:5.6 In the more advanced epochs of planetary evolution these seraphim are instrumental in supplanting the atonement idea by the concept of divine attunement as a philosophy of mortal survival.
Attunement to the will of God is probably another topic, but it is bound up with undying hope. I mean, that IS what we all are hoping for, right? . . . divinity attunement, our great goal.
110:3.4 The great goal of human existence is to attune to the divinity of the indwelling Adjuster; the great achievement of mortal life is the attainment of a true and understanding consecration to the eternal aims of the divine spirit who waits and works within your mind.
. . . what about those faint, distant feelings to NOT do this or that?
I always thought these inclinations were adjutant mind-spirit derived, and as well, the individual might be tapping into prior experience of a similar situation that resulted afterwords in the recognition of a misjudgement or error on the part of the individual, as VanAmadon suggested. You’re right about the importance of curbing the tongue, and that concerns self-censoring or stopping yourself before blurting out something. I don’t think our Adjusters sponsor shoutiness or blurtiness.
As for myself, I quit trying to analyze my thoughts and where they originate because of these several references about the many spiritual influences and the impossibility of segregating them.
34:6.2 Although Divinity may be plural in manifestation, in human experience Deity is singular, always one. Neither is spiritual ministry plural in human experience. Regardless of plurality of origin, all spirit influences are one in function. Indeed they are one, being the spirit ministry of God the Sevenfold in and to the creatures of the grand universe; and as creatures grow in appreciation of, and receptivity for, this unifying ministry of the spirit, it becomes in their experience the ministry of God the Supreme..110:4.2 The Thought Adjuster is engaged in a constant effort so to spiritualize your mind as to evolve your morontia soul; but you yourself are mostly unconscious of this inner ministry. You are quite incapable of distinguishing the product of your own material intellect from that of the conjoint activities of your soul and the Adjuster.
I always thought these inclinations were adjutant mind-spirit derived, and as well, the individual might be tapping into prior experience of a similar situation that resulted afterwords in the recognition of a misjudgement or error on the part of the individual, as VanAmadon suggested.
So what’s the difference between wisdom and Adjuster attunement? Is there a difference?
So what’s the difference between wisdom and Adjuster attunement? Is there a difference?
I do think there is a difference. The first difference is source. And the second difference is purpose. (I used the word *purpose* but maybe that’s not the right word.)
Going right back to the source, the possibility of gaining wisdom occurs via the Infinite Spirit the bestower of mind. ( 9:5.2 ) No mind, no wisdom. Interesting that the 6th and 7th adjutants have to function to get a TA bestowal. The source of the person’s TA is the First Father and this TA functions within the human mind. No functioning 7th adjutant, no TA. Wisdom is an aquirement. More experience, more wisdom. Wisdom alone will not get you far in terms of personality survival.
Here are several complementary references.
5:3.5 When you deal with the practical affairs of your daily life, you are in the hands of the spirit personalities having origin in the Third Source and Center; you are co-operating with the agencies of the Conjoint Actor. And so it is: You worship God; pray to, and commune with, the Son; and work out the details of your earthly sojourn in connection with the intelligences of the Infinite Spirit operating on your world and throughout your universe.
110:1.4 Adjusters are interested in, and concerned with, your daily doings and the manifold details of your life just to the extent that these are influential in the determination of your significant temporal choices and vital spiritual decisions and, hence, are factors in the solution of your problem of soul survival and eternal progress. The Adjuster, while passive regarding purely temporal welfare, is divinely active concerning all the affairs of your eternal future.
108:6.6 . . . so is the Adjuster the divine parent of the real you, your higher and advancing self, your better morontial and future spiritual self. And it is this evolving morontial soul that the judges and censors discern when they decree your survival and pass you upward to new worlds and never-ending existence in eternal liaison with your faithful partner — God, the Adjuster.
105:3.5 4. The Third Source and Center. Third Person of Deity, the Conjoint Actor; infinite integrator of Paradise cosmic energies with the spirit energies of the Eternal Son; perfect co-ordinator of the motives of will and the mechanics of force; unifier of all actual and actualizing reality. Through the ministrations of his manifold children the Infinite Spirit reveals the mercy of the Eternal Son while at the same time functioning as the infinite manipulator, forever weaving the pattern of Paradise into the energies of space. This selfsame Conjoint Actor, this God of Action, is the perfect expression of the limitless plans and purposes of the Father-Son while functioning himself as the source of mind and the bestower of intellect upon the creatures of a far-flung cosmos.
Do you recall the three reality reflexes of the cosmic mind? One is about facts on the material level, the second is about wisdom and the third is spiritual insight. All three have to work together and in balance. Wisdom is in the middle, and it ties together the facts of material existence with the truth of spiritual existence. Wisdom is defined as knowledge directed by experiential reason and illuminated by divine revelation (92:2.1), which I presume can be either personal or epochal, but probably, in this case, mostly personal. So it seems that wisdom does have a role in divinity attunement. I think it directionalizes the mind. That’s why I call the spirits of worship and wisdom the gateway to the soul. I don’t think wisdom and attunement are the same thing, but they apparently work together.
Wisdom is in the middle, and it ties together the facts of material existence with the truth of spiritual existence. Wisdom is defined as knowledge directed by experiential reason and illuminated by divine revelation (92:2.1). . . .
Isn’t the *tying* all about understanding? Or comprehension? Isn’t it all about meaning? The mediation of mind where spirit struggles for mastery? ( 116:6.1 ) Don’t they say it is through mind that we live or die?
Isn’t the *tying* all about understanding? Or comprehension?
Isn’t the goal to unify those three levels of reality in experience by the technique of personal revelation? by personality realization? Understanding and comprehension have to do with mind, but mind is the go-between. The goal is to coordinate the three levels of reality then unify them with personality. Is personal revelation a type of understanding or comprehension? I think it’s more. I think it’s experiential, meaning it involves the whole self: mind, body, soul (spirit) and personality.
p1219:7 111:4.1 Recognition is the intellectual process of fitting the sensory impressions received from the external world into the memory patterns of the individual. Understanding connotes that these recognized sensory impressions and their associated memory patterns have become integrated or organized into a dynamic network of principles.
p1220:1 111:4.2 Meanings are derived from a combination of recognition and understanding. Meanings are nonexistent in a wholly sensory or material world. Meanings and values are only perceived in the inner or supermaterial spheres of human experience.
Isn’t it all about meaning?
I think it’s more than meaning. I think it’s about both meanings and values. Values are in the soul, not the material mind.
p1219:4 111:3.5 The mortal career, the soul’s evolution, is not so much a probation as an education. Faith in the survival of supreme values is the core of religion; genuine religious experience consists in the union of supreme values and cosmic meanings as a realization of universal reality.
I think it’s more than meaning.
I think it is more than meaning too. I was thinking in terms of fact, meaning and value where in that particular triad, meanings-comprehensions-understandings are grasped by one’s mind. It’s where you say, “Oh, I get that!” or, “That makes sense to me.”
3:5.16 [. . .] Mortal man earns even his status as an ascension candidate by his own faith and hope. Everything divine which the human mind grasps and the human soul acquires is an experiential attainment; it is a reality of personal experience and is therefore a unique possession in contrast to the inherent goodness and righteousness of the inerrant personalities of Havona.
It is by mind that we live or die.
111:1.4 [. . .] But into your hands, subject to your own decisions, has been given mind, and it is by mind that you live or die. It is within this mind and with this mind that you make those moral decisions which enable you to achieve Adjusterlikeness, and that is Godlikeness.
. . , which reminds me of this one. . .
155:6.13 [. . .] While the mind is not the seat of the spiritual nature, it is indeed the gateway thereto.
I feel like I live in my mind. I’m not conscious of anything else. When I read the words *soul-consciousness* for example, I think, “Well, that sounds pretty cool!” but I do not really know what soul-consciousness is because I cannot separate it from that of which I am conscious. And for me, this is where faith and hope come into my picture. . . .
When I read the words *soul-consciousness* for example, I think, “Well, that sounds pretty cool!”
It is cool, and I’m sure you are conscious of your soul, which is half of what soul-consciousness is about. If you’re aware of the presence of God in your mind, then you are conscious of your soul. It’s not mystical or magical. If you worship, then you have soul-consciousness.
