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Undying Hope

112 posts · 9 participants · started Oct 9, 2017, 2:36 PM

  1. Have you ever wondered why TUB defines hope as the grandeur of trust?  I think it’s because of the presence of the Adjuster that we are able to hope at all.  We believe in a God who fosters our survival because he is somehow able to register in our experience hope, trust and personal assurance. All of our potential is presented to us by the Adjuster as we are proved capable, or trustworthy.  Hope has to do with potentials – all that is possible for each of us and all of us into eternity.

    101:2.5 1. Human experience, personal assurance, the somehow registered hope and trust initiated by the indwelling Thought Adjuster.

    The Adjuster is the hope of our divine character and a prisoner of undying hope living within us .  This is where the charm and romance come in, I believe.  What great treasures lie within us just waiting to become actuated! They do tell us that so few draw upon the all the personality credits available to them.

    108:6.4 The Adjuster is the wellspring of spiritual attainment and the hope of divine character within you.

    108:6.7The Monitors are the prisoners of undying hope, the founts of everlasting progression.

    48:7.6 4. Few mortals ever dare to draw anything like the sum of personality credits established by the combined ministries of nature and grace. The majority of impoverished souls are truly rich, but they refuse to believe it.

    One wonders, what exactly are personality credits?

     

     

  2. One wonders, what exactly are personality credits?

    One would need to comprehend what is personality to infer what personality credits are.

    Do you think the changelessness of personality in light of the source of personality confers credits already in the bank which credits are drawn upon the more one achieves personality unification, starting out on one’s natal sphere and ascending to seventh stage finaliters?

    But down here on earth we just don’t believe we have such an amazing potential.

     

  3. But down here on earth we just don’t believe we have such an amazing potential.

    I do.

    In fact I’m having this potential for breakfast this morning like I do every morning.  :-)

     

     

  4. They do give us a hint by saying that personality credits are “. . . established by the combined ministries of nature and grace . . .”.

    What do you think are the ministries of nature and grace in regards to personality?

    P.S. Mara, if you think this is off topic just say so.

  5. Using Webster – I would define the use of the term “nature” in regard to how the personality behaves in response to the various ministries available and “grace” as divine assistance that is available for the taking.

  6. In the same vein, using the dictionary that is, the meaning of credit is the ability to obtain something based on trust of future payment.  I think God, the Adjuster, gives us everything necessary before we actually utilize it trusting that we will eventually make a payment . . .  realize that we can’t take so much without giving back . . . the economy of the universe, the great circle of love . . . being loved and loving others.

     

  7. Here’s a good one: from paper 28

    mercy credit or personality credit, they (the process)  seems analogous to me

    2. The Memory of Mercy. These are the actual, full and replete, living records of the mercy which has been extended to individuals and races by the tender ministrations of the instrumentalities of the Infinite Spirit in the mission of adapting the justice of righteousness to the status of the realms, as disclosed by the portrayals of the Significance of Origins. The Memory of Mercy discloses the moral debt of the children of mercy—their spiritual liabilities—to be set down against their assets of the saving provision established by the Sons of God. In revealing the Father’s pre-existent mercy, the Sons of God establish the necessary credit to insure the survival of all. And then, in accordance with the findings of the Significance of Origins, a mercy credit is established for the survival of each rational creature, a credit of lavish proportions and one of suf- ficient grace to insure the survival of every soul who really desires divine citizen-

  8. I personally don’t think mercy credits and personality credits are the same thing, but I do think they’re related.  In other words, we’re given all the potential we need with personality credits, then mercy credits are used up, or doled out according to how we go about utilizing or actualizing our precious gift of potential.  The important thing here, I think, is that it’s all a very generous gift!

    To tie this into undying hope: If the Adjuster is our source of undying hope and also the source of our potential nature, then these two things must be intimately involved with one another.  If the nature of our personality is to grow by grace and the Adjuster is the source of that nature, as well as grace and hope, then hope must be tied to personality realization (personality becoming more real).  Hope is a faith-trust in his guidance to that goal, and that goal is the very thing our souls ceaselessly strive for . . . hunger and thirst for.

     

     

  9. To tie this into undying hope:. . . .

    Nicely put Bonita.

    They define hope in terms of the grandeur of trust.  It isn’t just any ‘ol trust, as in the expression “I trust you as far as I can throw you”. What do they mean by “grandeur” as it qualifies the word trust? The grandeur of possibilities?

    Fusion with a fragment of the Universal Father is equivalent to a divine validation of eventual Paradise attainment, and such Adjuster-fused mortals are the only class of human beings who all traverse the Havona circuits and find God on Paradise. To the Adjuster-fused mortal the career of universal service is wide open. What dignity of destiny and glory of attainment await every one of you! Do you fully appreciate what has been done for you? Do you comprehend the grandeur of the heights of eternal achievement which are spread out before you? — even you who now trudge on in the lowly path of life through your so-called “vale of tears”?

     

  10. I think grandeur means high ranking.  What’s the highest rank when it comes to trust?  I think Jesus showed us what that is, “. . . the attainment of a final and complete attunement of the mortal will with the will of God as it is resident in the Thought Adjuster.” (110:7.1)

    If the Adjuster IS our undying hope, then grandeur of trust must be attunement to his will.  It’s about trusting God’s will over your own, and that’s what gives you hope . . . hope that there is always a better way; that your mistakes can be improved upon; that there is always an opportunity for growth and progress; that there’s always a higher stairway to climb. It’s all part of the charm and romance of living as a faith-son in this universe.  Participation of sonship is through faith and by grace . . . all of which are gifts . . . credits . . . not to mention the gifts of personality, Adjuster, Spirit of Truth and Holy Spirit, among others.  So many gifts!

    p1621:2 144:4.3 In all praying, remember that sonship is a gift. No child has aught to do with earning the status of son or daughter. The earth child comes into being by the will of its parents. Even so, the child of God comes into grace and the new life of the spirit by the will of the Father in heaven. Therefore must the kingdom of heaven—divine sonship—be received as by a little child. You earn righteousness—progressive character development—but you receive sonship by grace and through faith.

  11. What is the source of all our insecurities and uncertainties during our mortal lives?

    It’s a real shame more people aren’t interested in this topic.  There’s so much to discuss.  As I see it, the source of most insecurities and uncertainties boil down to immaturity and imperfection.  All of us must pass through uncertainties as we shift our identity from the transient and fluctuating material world to the more stable and reliable spiritual reality indwelling our souls.

    159:3.7 Forewarn all believers regarding the fringe of conflict which must be traversed by all who pass from the life as it is lived in the flesh to the higher life as it is lived in the spirit. To those who live quite wholly within either realm, there is little conflict or confusion, but all are doomed to experience more or less uncertainty during the times of transition between the two levels of living. In entering the kingdom, you cannot escape its responsibilities or avoid its obligations, but remember: The gospel yoke is easy and the burden of truth is light.

     

  12. Perfection processus. #28154

    As I see it, the source of most insecurities and uncertainties boil down to immaturity and imperfection.  #28221

    I’m doing an outloud reflection here.

    Imperfection domain (cause) contains unpreventable facts. i.e. insecurities, uncertainties, immaturity, ignorance.

    All those “facts” are the fonding of Kingdom of men. Must be consequences in mind from the Adjutant Mind-Spirits ministrie. Till a better responding impulse from and with T/A.

    When mens answered God’s will, they begin from fonding animal/men humbliest reality to ascending an expansion of their a/m mind state. An everlasting unfolding God consciencious.

    In this processus, temporary scaffold give place to an actualization, updating of Reality.

    André

     

  13. I agree André.  The adjutants definitely urge the human mind in the direction of the superhuman mind.  Fear is an early adjutant reaction to uncertainty, yet fear is what made it possible for humans to revere, then to worship. On the superhuman level man learns to change his fear to trust in the face of uncertainty.  Uncertainty doesn’t go away, but the way we deal with uncertainty changes with maturity, which is an increasingly perfected attitude toward reality.

  14. As opposed to thinking about the source of uncertainty, what about the source of hope?? Also, what is it that we hope for??

    From paper 101:3 Your deepest nature—the divine Adjuster—creates within you a hunger and thirst for righteousness, a certain craving for divine perfection. Religion is the faith act of the recognition of this inner urge to divine attainment; and thus is brought about that soul trust and assurance of which you become conscious as the way of salvation, the technique of the survival of personality and all those values which you have come to look upon as being true and good.

    isnt this the basis of our hope for personality survival?

    isnt this the most basic revelation that gives us hope for personality survival?

    isnt it curious how relatively simple it is for the Adjuster to impress this hunger and thirst within us while considering the difficulties the book talks about that the adjuster has with getting through to us?? it appears that most of humanity feels this urge without a problem.

  15. . . . about the source of uncertainty, what about the source of hope?

    Something you said made me think of the word *overcoming*which led me to this one about hope.

    4:4.9  The consciousness of a victorious human life on earth is born of that creature faith which dares to challenge each recurring episode of existence when confronted with the awful spectacle of human limitations, by the unfailing declaration: Even if I cannot do this, there lives in me one who can and will do it, a part of the Father-Absolute of the universe of universes. And that is “the victory which overcomes the world, even your faith.”
  16. A wonderful topic and so many good posts and points related thereto.  To take the ‘trust’ point further, I would submit that whatever its source (and many good quotes and opinions here on that), undying hope leads to striving – the expression of our own efforts to realize hope’s promise.  I think striving, or to strive, is the expression of faith.  Faith is an action.  Faith + trust is to strive.  It is in the striving that we face uncertainty-in-the-moments of choice but with confidence in ultimate outcomes for all choices/decisions made by faith and trust.

    key word search for “strive”:

    https://urassoc.arko.nyc/search/?zoom_sort=2&zoom_query=strive&zoom_per_page=50&zoom_and=0&zoom_cat%5B%5D=-1

    key word search for “striving”:

    https://urassoc.arko.nyc/search/?zoom_sort=2&zoom_query=striving&zoom_per_page=50&zoom_and=0&zoom_cat%5B%5D=-1

    Me:  Uncertainty and disappointment are more easily faced with hope, trust, and faith in that and whom are greater than ourselves.

    16:7.5 [Part I]
    When man fails to discriminate the ends of his mortal striving, he finds himself functioning on the animal level of existence. He has failed to avail himself of the superior advantages of that material acumen, moral discrimination, and spiritual insight which are an integral part of his cosmic-mind endowment as a personal being.

    Me:  The striving for perfection is an inherent universe reality that appears to go even beyond personality, although personality is required to appreciate, focus, and integrate this yearning and striving into experience and wisdom.

    65:6.2 [Part III]
    There is original endowment of adaptation in living things and beings. In every living plant or animal cell, in every living organism — material or spiritual — there is an insatiable craving for the attainment of ever-increasing perfection of environmental adjustment, organismal adaptation, and augmented life realization. These interminable efforts of all living things evidence the existence within them of an innate striving for perfection.

    Me:  Isn’t hope a personal reflection of ideals?   Don’t we hope FOR something that we believe ourselves and others are currently lacking or needing to achieve some form of ideal?  Can one hope without ideals to lead such hope into prayer, motivation, purpose, intention, priority, and strategy in our philosophy for our daily walk?

    103:5.7 [Part III]
    The pursuit of the ideal — the striving to be Godlike — is a continuous effort before death and after. The life after death is no different in the essentials than the mortal existence. Everything we do in this life which is good contributes directly to the enhancement of the future life. Real religion does not foster moral indolence and spiritual laziness by encouraging the vain hope of having all the virtues of a noble character bestowed upon one as a result of passing through the portals of natural death. True religion does not belittle man’s efforts to progress during the mortal lease on life. Every mortal gain is a direct contribution to the enrichment of the first stages of the immortal survival experience.

    Me:  I wonder if trust and hope and faith demonstrate a humility – of one’s smallness and youthfulness and dependence in regard to the whole and God within?

    137:8.8 [Part IV]
    “Those who first seek to enter the kingdom, thus beginning to strive for a nobility of character like that of my Father, shall presently possess all else that is needful. But I say to you in all sincerity: Unless you seek entrance into the kingdom with the faith and trusting dependence of a little child, you shall in no wise gain admission.

     

    Thanks everyone!!   :-)

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  17. As opposed to thinking about the source of uncertainty, what about the source of hope?? Also, what is it that we hope for??

    I thought we covered this with the quote which states that the Thought Adjuster is the source of undying hope imprisoned in our minds?

    108:6.7 The Monitors are the prisoners of undying hope, the founts of everlasting progression.

    Doesn’t every sane person hope for meaningful life that survives into eternity?  Aren’t the Adjusters the source of meaning and value, and also the source of our eternal identity?

    5.6.7  The material self has personality and identity, temporal identity; the prepersonal spirit Adjuster also has identity, eternal identity. This material personality and this spirit prepersonality are capable of so uniting their creative attributes as to bring into existence the surviving identity of the immortal soul.

    196:3.14 Human survival is in great measure dependent on consecrating the human will to the choosing of those values selected by this spirit-value sorter — the indwelling interpreter and unifier.

  18. Me:  Isn’t hope a personal reflection of ideals?   Don’t we hope FOR something that we believe ourselves and others are currently lacking or needing to achieve some form of ideal?  Can one hope without ideals to lead such hope into prayer, motivation, purpose, intention, priority, and strategy in our philosophy for our daily walk?

    Interesting! Without ideals, isn’t hoping really just wishing? Hope is lead by a higher compass than mere wishing, I would think.  Yet even with those higher ideals driving our hopes, without making actual decisions to move ourselves in their direction, it all falls back to wishful thinking or dreaming.  I think that’s why they say faith is the inspiration of the spiritized creative imagination.  Hope is linked to faith, and faith which relies on inspiration from a source higher than just day dreaming (wishing).

  19. Yes Bonita….very interesting.  Funny how concepts of truth link one to another in a chain of consideration and reflection!

    You say “…faith is the inspiration of…..”.  YEA!!

    Undying hope should lead to faith and hope and ideals worthy of striving for and toward, and those deliver inspiration….motivation, intention, direction, purpose, objectives!  All fed in an endless but growing-in-power feedback loop of energy and results and experience and wisdom!  Such hope is endlessly rewarded and reinforced.

    key word search for “inspire”:

    https://urassoc.arko.nyc/search/?zoom_sort=2&zoom_query=inspire&zoom_per_page=100&zoom_and=0&zoom_cat%5B%5D=-1

    key word search for “inspired”:

    https://urassoc.arko.nyc/search/?zoom_sort=2&zoom_query=inspired&zoom_per_page=100&zoom_and=0&zoom_cat%5B%5D=-1

    “inspires”:

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    99:7.3 [Part III]
    Religion inspires man to live courageously and joyfully on the face of the earth; it joins patience with passion, insight to zeal, sympathy with power, and ideals with energy.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  20. As opposed to thinking about the source of uncertainty, what about the source of hope?? Also, what is it that we hope for??

    I thought we covered this with the quote which states that the Thought Adjuster is the source of undying hope imprisoned in our minds?

    108:6.7 The Monitors are the prisoners of undying hope, the founts of everlasting progression.

    Doesn’t every sane person hope for meaningful life that survives into eternity? Aren’t the Adjusters the source of meaning and value, and also the source of our eternal identity?

    yes we did and redundancy was not intended

    what grabbed my attention is how easily it appears for the Adjuster to impress our minds with that thirst for righteousness which leads to hope for survival among other rewarding feedback.

    the urge to find God is so fundamental to most of humanity.

    other Adjuster mind impressions are apparently not so ubiquitous and easy to respond to

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