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The Michael Plan

152 posts · 15 participants · started Jul 20, 2014, 4:07 PM

  1. Yes there is room for all comers, and even room for many organizations, present and to come, but as we have seen over time, with religions, even those offshoots over time from the base religions of hundreds or thousands of years ago, that people will make of things what they will, and there are always enough sheep to follow many shepherds, but shepherds come dressed in many varieties of clothing that covers many intentions.   With the onset of more and more variations of UB groups comes also the same number of interpretive expressionists who are ready and willing to instruct others under the veil of enlightenment.

    I have finished reading both volumes of “The Cosmic Family”, subtitled as “Continuing Fifth Epochal Revelation”, and I would think that these works and their originating organization are more than ready to take on the future of the Urantia Book movement.  Although I will not comment on this open forum as to my opinion, regarding such authoritative addendums, where it is a shame that we no longer have a PM side to communicate on this new forum, but this also may be intentional.  But, from the previous readings, I have started to read the five volumes of “The Sherman Diaries”, published by Square Circles, and in perusing through them, would seem to be some interesting information which may parallel what Bradly aforementioned above.  Nevertheless, time can be an enemy as well as a medication to problematic issues.

  2. Hello Midi – I’m glad for this thread on a topic that seems to be evolving.  I’d like to discuss, based on your post Midi, what might be called The Fall From Grace syndrome.  I don’t wish to name names or personalize this in any way as that would only detract from the larger and far more important issue.  Since I met my first other reader (some 5 years of being a lone student not knowing how to pronounce so many words…like Urantia for example) I have witnessed more than 2 of the movement’s central leaders and scholars suddenly proclaim to be Reservists, continuing to receive “instruction”, selected to lead the planet in a religious metamorphosis, often with a claim of impending doom or planetary transformation of one form or another.  How does this happen??

    Charlatanism aside (and there is plenty of that in the “movement”), how do one time stable, likeable, scholarly, and experienced folks in leadership positions suddenly and dramatically go 90 degrees into kookooville??  Personally, I believe by text that no one knows who is a reservist….including and especially the reservist!!!!  I also think the text is very clear that no one receives any messages or revelation for any other party whatsoever under any circumstances – what I call second hand revelation, something received for others.  So I conclude personally that there is no merit or truth in those, of any stripe or claim, who believe it is their role to revise, complete, or interpret the Revelation and claim that authority by that which contradicts the claim so made.  These deluded ones have always been part of this movement and every movement.  Let those take on the UB movement if they wish….for it is the fruit that comes or does not come that will prove the worth of each and all.

    I approve of the policy here against channelers, by definition frauds or self deluded egos, and all who claim such status and power and authority to oracle the words of celestials and portend planetary status and affairs and offer nothing relevant to the truths given in the book itself for all to use as map and lamp to our source and our destiny….as servants, to all.  The long time readership well remembers, with some horror, the results of such nonsense, no matter how bundled and wrapped.  That which goes on now is nothing new and not any more attractive or ultimately meaningful, except perhaps how the whole movement responds and transforms to all the coming challenges to all social and religious and scientific progressions still to come.  Our life is far too short but the ego far too impatient to make the difference or see the difference we long for.  But I remain stupefied and paranoid about the ability of the human mind to become ultimately unable to overcome prejudice and self importance and succumb to total instability, if not insanity to some degree.  Confounding to me.  I am beginning to blame the weak ones who elevate the one above others and adore them into this madness.   Interesting….

     

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  3. Which reminds me of this quote:

    131:8.6  You are truly wise when you recognize your insignificance.

  4. Nevertheless, time can be an enemy as well as a medication to problematic issues.

    Yes indeed…there is a fine line of balance between impatience and procrastination.  Timing is everything as they say.  I remember my own impatience in a decade long ago spent crusading for change and “progress” (as I conceived it) in the movement’s founding organizations.  I got to be indignant, demanding, judgmental, intolerant, impetuous….and when my position eventually prevailed, another divisive issue arose to further disrupt and derail that “victory” and sent the entire movement far deeper into chaos and division.  Won the battle, lost the war.  It took over a decade of isolation from the movement (not the text) and much prayer and reflection to grow through that experience and gain a better time unit perspective and appreciation for those truly in charge of our planet’s progress.

    As Mara said and Midi agreed, there is room for all at the Master’s table.  All who will, may come.

    (1932.1) 178:1.16 …… Do not forget that you are commissioned to go forth preaching only the good news. You are not to attack the old ways; you are skillfully to put the leaven of new truth in the midst of the old beliefs. Let the Spirit of Truth do his own work. Let controversy come only when they who despise the truth force it upon you. But when the willful unbeliever attacks you, do not hesitate to stand in vigorous defense of the truth which has saved and sanctified you.

    (1932.2) 178:1.17 Throughout the vicissitudes of life, remember always to love one another. Do not strive with men, even with unbelievers. Show mercy even to those who despitefully abuse you. Show yourselves to be loyal citizens, upright artisans, praiseworthy neighbors, devoted kinsmen, understanding parents, and sincere believers in the brotherhood of the Father’s kingdom. And my spirit shall be upon you, now and even to the end of the world.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  5. Hello all,

    Thank you, Elise, for sending me the link to this new forum. As a co-author of Michael’s Plan as it appears on the  UAI website, I welcome all the comments I read this morning.  My fellow co-authors and I are in the midst of updating the material, but it may take a while, so I thought I would let you know that I think the tone of the 2008 letter needs to be improved.  And there have been many wonderful developments in the past several years that need to be recognized.

    Our intent in writing an open letter to all readers was to create positive dialog among readers who are socializing the teachings with other readers. So many people now are apparently reading alone. We see this often in the study groups I attend–someone who has read alone for 15 years, for example, attends a first meeting with other readers.

    This forum is a first. I cannot speak for the other co-authors and supporters  of Michael’s Plan, so will let them know about this forum.  There are many ways to socialize the multi-faceted teachings of The Urantia Book and many avenues of service. Cosmic wisdom in socializing the teachings is our aim. Although we have many views and opinions among ourselves, we are united in that goal.  I am one of one of those readers who participates in several Urantia Book organizations.

    I look forward to further discussion.

    Best wishes,

    Barbara

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

  6. Bradley’s comments remind me of Jesus’ reaction to the strange preacher when he said, “My son, in matters of this sort it would be better for you to reckon that he who is not against us is for us. In the generations to come many who are not wholly worthy will do many strange things in my name, but I will not forbid them.” (159:2.1)

    The apostles were always offended when someone claimed to teach the gospel who wasn’t taught directly by Jesus.  Their reaction is sort of like the Michael Plan today, where offense is taken if followers of the Revelation do not adhere to what is considered the original intent of the founding principles set forth by the founding fathers. There is a big difference between personal interpretation of the text and administrative control over it.  People should have the freedom to interpret the text however they please and also feel free to teach whatever they like about it without fear of repercussions from an iron-fisted organization intent on standardization.

    As Bradley pointed out, and also according to what we are told  happened with the trance prophet at the Bethsaida camp (148:8.3), sooner or later the loony tunes become obvious.  If left to their own devices, they will only attract erratic and unstable people, like the nut case, Beth-Marion (148:8.4) who nearly drowned trying to walk on water.  And all this is to be pitied, I think.  It’s sad to see such unbalanced minds trying to act out untruths.  It always fails.  But if Jesus allowed this to work itself out without interference, why shouldn’t we?  There must be some value in allowing insanity to play itself out, otherwise the Lucifer problem would have been snuffed out the day it started.

  7. So many people now are apparently reading alone. We see this often in the study groups I attend–someone who has read alone for 15 years, for example, attends a first meeting with other readers.

    Hello Barbara,

    I hope I’m not offending you with my opinion of the Michael Plan.  You seem very sincere and I appreciate that.

    I’m wondering why it’s a problem to have people reading alone?  I’m not following the logic.  I have been reading TUB since 1970 and have only met one other reader, and he had to travel over a thousand miles to visit me, just one single time in 44 years. But, I don’t feel that I’m lacking in the least, not even a tiny bit.  I’m not sorry for it or pining away for my life to be otherwise.

    Why do people feel the need to build a social structure around the book rather than allow such things to occur naturally?  Aren’t we told on page 1585:05 that the social implications of the new religion of Jesus must be a natural outworking of the inner experience of the soul, manifested in the spontaneous daily ministry of personal religious experience?  It seems to me that attempts to contrive otherwise would most likely be an exercise of futility.

    My personal opinion is that whatever organization exists should exist only to provide scaffolding, knowing that scaffolding is only temporary and will have to be changed as we evolve.  Rigid structures, which attempt to withstand the tides of time, will eventually topple in the wake of inevitable change.

     

  8. Greetings….in reflecting upon my experience, prior and current, with UB organizations, I agree with Bonita in that one of my great errors before was attachment to outcome.  And impatience for its fruition.  I now work exclusively on infrastructure and process capability as a servant to truth and beauty and goodness and the Revelation and its community of students, trying to build that which will sustain the efforts and challenges to come with little regard as to measureable progress or personal contribution or finality of result – success in human time unit perspective, or completion of some sort.  I have come to believe that one of the patterns and truths presented to us by the Master and the UB is the profound difference in response-ability and responsibility.

    That is to say that if I feel responsible for an outcome, then I become so attached to that preconception of either my own making or by the adoption of someone else’s making or some institutionalized vision of result, that I see every and all obstacles, delays, new data or variables, unforeseen consequences, etc. as something to overcome and resist.  I now own the result and the process in ways that are illusionary at best and delusional and misguided and now blinding at worst.  The end does not justify the means.  The end is irrelevant in fact – at least to humans in this brief flash of a life….it is the process of response and the skillfulness of response that keeps process moving forward and contributes positively to results.  Only short timers of great impatience demand a preconceived result from the process.

    Jesus was so response-able.  And I am beginning to comprehend that this is where truth lies and our challenge.  What happens is far less important than how we respond to what happens.  We cannot control what happens nor can we predict the future nor create a preconceived result without ignoring all the intersections of all the variables always in play.  I have always been stumped by the “wise as a serpent” thing; “innocent as doves” is so much easier to discern for me.  I think the wisdom thing is first an acknowledgement that we’re not in charge of anything EXCEPT our response to everything and everyone and every choice that intersects with our being.  We may also be able to avoid certain situations of entrapment and certain characters that fail the sniff test and better position ourselves in some ways by understanding cause and effect by our experience but this skill of maturity does not put us in control of anything still.

    As Midi pointed out earlier, the celestials are also successful based on their response-ability.  The Master taught that love is the most powerful response to any and all circumstances and situations.  Now Jesus (and his universe) does plan and organize and create infrastructure designed for response-ability regardless of what may happen.  This mechanism is what delivered 1000 times more good from the rebellion than the untold carnage it created.  And what of the murder of our Lord?  Was this “the plan”?  No.  But the love response to that event shakes the foundation of our world.   Love is not a passive feeling but a profoundly powerful antidote and virus at the same time…it does not just heal but it brings strength and corrective results to all evil and sin.  It does not prevent them for both will forever remain potentials of free will.

    So I think that many who “plan” a “result” are blinded by their attachment to that result.  And will remain forever disappointed and frustrated when things do not go according to the “plan”.  And any plan for a central authority and controlling mechanism regarding an epochal revelation will surely be frustrated and disappointed for not even celestials or Creator Sons enjoy such control over evolutionary events – even non-human ones and especially not human ones.  What they do enjoy is a sublime confidence in the eventuation of perfecting by experience….with plan b, and then plan c, and right on down the alphabet – until the plan now in play may not resemble in any way the original plan a but the persistent infusion of love….and time….always leads to God’s will .  Error fades, loves blooms and radiates outward, forever engaged in affecting results to come.

    We are not responsible, God is.  We are not in charge, God is.  Who doubts God’s purpose, power, and plan?  Who knows the right outcome or target for the divine process of making heavenly lemonade from the lemons of experience and choice in time and space?  Certainly not me.  I am so happy now to be a loyal and more patient tadpole with full confidence that I am here to learn response-ability with the power of love and in complete confidence in God’s way.  Thanks to all.  This is becoming quite interesting….and welcome Barbara – I look forward to more on this fascinating topic.  Peace.

    ;-)

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  9. Barbara – personally, I am quite disturbed by at least one self proclaimed reservist on your endorsement list….one who single handedly drove the Brotherhood off the cliff and into ruin and despair by the mind at mischief and ego run wild.  While it is not my role to judge any, your group’s inclusion of this individual does not endear your “Plan” to me and will forever make suspect the source of your group’s inspiration.  Having said that, there are also some awesome servants and loyal supporters of righteous mission process to spread the Revelation and disseminate its teachings who endorse this effort.  I do not criticize the group, we’ll let the Plan speak for itself and stand on its own merits, but…

    Of course, I also remain skeptical of any group that would have me as a member – hahaha!

    ;-)

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  10. Much wisdom on this topic in this thread in my opinion from you both, Bonita and Bradly.

    In reading the plan myself, a foundational problem and fatal flaw in how I read it personally is how thoroughly the conclusions rest on apocrypha, the so-called “communications from the revelators to the contact commissioners” outside the book itself.  It reads to me as a document of a small group of people who weren’t really the intended recipients of the so-called communications, but who are organizationally-minded and have extended the apocrypha with a lot of assumptions of their own, to then conclude how other people should or shouldn’t be organizing and publishing the book. And this extension of apocrypha salted heavily with assumptions by a limited number of people is titled as “Michael’s Plan”?  I don’t doubt the sincerity of the people who wrote the document, but it’s not hard to see why it hasn’t perhaps amounted to too much.

    Ideas like those in the UB are bound to spread evolutionarily and with fits and spurts and using developments that weren’t even possible to anticipate earlier, and which inevitably won’t have anything to do with the original organizations, but instead from the inner life of individuals and what they do with the teachings. It’s all healthy and natural even if not always so orderly in appearance, in my view.

    To use an analogy, it’s like the UB was planted on this world in a backyard called Chicago, and it was given certain trellises from which its vines could grow and strengthen. People wisely cultivated the slow and patient growth up the trellises, gardening it as the vines spread and the planting got stronger, admiring and enjoying the blooms and fruit.

    Yet, the fruit of it inevitably was carried off by some individuals as they lived their lives around the planet, and the seeds from the dispersed fruit started some of their other little shoots growing up here and there. It wasn’t connected with the original trellises anymore.  They were in sidewalk cracks and along a fence in a neighbor’s yard and all sorts of messy places. And plenty of people didn’t even have any thoughts or considerations about the original trellises.

    The “Michael’s Plan” document reads to me as being from individuals who have had much faith in the wisdom of the original few backyard trellises for supporting the UB, to such a degree that they want to believe those same trellises (the original organizations) are so integral that the growth and ideas beyond the trellises are of concern. It’s a big world however. Like it or not a lot is going to grow and happen beyond the bounds of the original organizations.

  11. @Mara regarding the revelation lasting a thousand years. I am guessing this is where you heard about that??

    (330.2) 30:0.2……. Such conceptual expansion would hardly be desirable as it would deprive the thinking mortals of the next thousand years of that stimulus to creative speculation which these partially revealed concepts supply. It is best that man not have an overrevelation; it stifles imagination.

    It would definitely seem that this revelation is supposed to give man something to work with for the next thousand years.

  12. It was not my intention to comment directly regarding the documentation presented as “The Michael Plan”, but with the addition of various posts to this topic by individuals who have some primary reasoning for its presentation as such, would indicate that it is a viable subject and in my resent additional understandings of the various processes which went into the production of “The Urantia Book”, and my review of recent additional information which has come to my attention, added to what I personally have acquired through experience and association with various individuals, have I found that “The Michael Plan” has undeniable concerns as to the editing of the Urantia Book from the original Papers as presented by the revelators.

    As I am involved on another Forum, currently discussing the validity and viability of the Islamic Quran, as its content and context as written seems to have been altered through many translations and misinterpretations of the many Islamic Sects, where when one actually reviews its translated text, and put into proper context, that even the Quran and the Hebrew Old Testament and the disregarding of the New Testament participation of Jesus, where Jesus is well documented in the Quran, seems to indicate that the Quran was an attempt by the Celestials to intervene through corrective measures to counter the effects of various groups, who have molded or fashioned any original plan in such a way as to, alter mandated bestowals, by personal religious beliefs or opinions by their position, whereby they take an over-controlling position of authority thinking that what they are or were doing was correct, or maybe just plain ignorant of Our Fathers Plan.

    Nevertheless, it would seem that the damage is done, and now we are in recovery mode, but it is good that there are some who feel that it is important to identify that there is a problem and that it needs to be fixed.

    It is my understanding that the Urantia Book was edited in such a way as to focus attention away from the resurrection, where repersonalization was only viable in a Mansion World setting, whereby the original text would put to much emphasis on reincarnation verses mortal repersonalization of sleeping survivors on Urantia.  It was my understanding the this was mandated by someone other than Dr. Sadler, yet still having enough authority or influence to have changes made to the Urantia Book.  On a personal note, I was in association with a person who had actually seen the copies of the original Papers, where he was able to see them, and told me where they were housed, and were not destroyed as per his visual confirmation.  I had no reason to question this ex-Marine’s words and latter found that the location was viable based on my research of Dr. Sadler’s vocational travels.  So, it would seem that although The Urantia Book is a valid text, it would seem that its context may have been deliberately altered to change specific notations which would have been more directly narrated for specific reasons.

    Therefore, I can understand why “The Michael Plan” was presented, and why it was presented in such a way as to not focus back on the original concerns of the individuals involved in its presentation.  It would also seem that there are some people within the movement who really do not have full confidence in our Father’s ability to make thing happen the way they should, or maybe this is the natural progression of His Plan, based on weeding out the chaff prior to the Harvest.

  13. http://www.urantia.org/standard-referencing-system/standardized-reference-text-committee-summary-report-all-items?term=edits#search-jump-result-0

    For those interested, the link here will connect you to the spreadsheet of all known edits made and considered but not made as determined by the Standardized Reference Text Committee that was completed 5-6 years ago.  The original text from the original plates is also still published elsewhere for personal comparison.  It should be noted that the readership has been aware of this editing process for many decades…and it has been somewhat a divisive issue and thus, the Committee.  I’ve found no changes of any profundity myself but there are those who think any change is profound and undesirable.  My opinion doesn’t matter.

    I have no knowledge or information about that which Midi makes reference to but the original stainless steel printing plates remained intact until the mid 70s anyway and the first printing was by those original plates to my knowledge.  This topic is well covered in several historical documents available for public viewing and research.  The original manuscript was hand written and then transcribed by manual type and then made into printing plates.

    Enjoying the conversation – thanks to all.  Peace.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  14. Glad this came up,

    Thanks all for the fine thinking and rethinking.

    I saw Barbara and Charles present the plan at the Kansas conference last year, and asked three questions:

    Is it wise to base it in apocrypha?

    Does cobbling quotes and calling it a plan of our Sovereign set a bad precedent?

    Is is wise to involve our organization, either supporting or proclaiming?

    $.01 Rick

    Richard E Warren

  15. Hello Rick…and All!!  I wonder too about the logic of basing any human organizational and dissemination plan on any work that is not by or from the many patterns presented to us directly in and by the Revelation…surely there is sufficient structural design templates provided therein for us mortals to idealize and implement for our experience and improvement based on results and that experience.

    The name is problematic….and fraudulent on its face.  And damages any credibility the “Plan of Mortals” might actually aspire to by its misleading current title (easily remedied and revised though).  Jesus clearly left the “keys” of mortal ministry management in the hands of mortals to work out such plans themselves and not, as I recall, with any expectation that a singular authority would claim them….except, perhaps as was mentioned here by another, as the nursemaid of a newborn infant or nurseryman of a new sprout.  The Creator Son’s plan (now Master Son) is, of course, a multi-faceted and multi-dimensional and responsive “plan” placed into the capable hands of many agencies and agents of celestial orders with great diversity in focus, priority, and effect.  To claim this one element of planetary upliftment as “THE” is, again, a falsehood that presumes an authority that does not exist among any mortal or group of mortals.

    As to “our organization”…..I can only offer my opinion as I do not speak for or represent the membership on any such issues and in the Association, it IS the membership that determines policy.  I don’t think archiving documents or posting web links should be perceived as any sort of organizational endorsement though in this or any other example…..but perhaps that issue should be considered more seriously.  The endorsement of our previous President of the Board, though, could be viewed by some as more than a personal endorsement (incorrectly however).

    To my knowledge, Urantia Association International does not aspire to any singularity of domination or authority but, rather, seeks simply to organize supporters into a corps of activists who are dedicated to the Foundation’s mission of publishing, translating, and distribution of the whole text to the whole world and support that effort by the affiliation and networking of students to meet, gather, read, discuss, debate, teach and learn by a system of connectivity resources – people linked to people to link people to people.  This is the agenda as I understand it and its outcome will be determined by those people so engaged in time to come – it is but a super-structure and vehicular organization, not a doctrine or creed or authority, designed to flexibly adapt to the certain changes to come in membership, readership, opportunity and challenge.

    IMO, that does not allow for the organizational supporting or proclaiming this project due to its title, its presumptions, and its goal of authoritarianism.  However, I am very interested in any and all scholarly work that would help extract organizational patterns from the Revelation itself which might be useful in guiding future development of the cooperative and coordinated integration of shared goals by multiple organizations and activists which does not require uniformity by such an effort of unity.  Diversity has its downside, as does authoritarianism.  So far as I can discern, the parting words of “….you’re on your own now.”  were definitive and instructive.  This piece of apocrypha matches repletely our Master’s giving the “keys” of mortal ministry into the hands of the mortals then and there and to come.  This is our puzzle to piece together, over time, by the evolutionary demands of error, improvement, new error, new improvement, ad infintum.

    I hope I stated clearly that such is but one opinion by but one tadpole……..Peace.

    ;-)

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  16. The desire to spread the book is something that I think readers just naturally assume they need to do. However I think that we should exersize caution when we start handing books out to people.

    (998.2) 91:4.4  But the spiritually advanced person should exercise great caution in attempting to discourage the primitive or immature mind regarding such prayers.

    If we are handing out TUB’s left and right to people who are practicing primitive prayer that is esentially an attempt to discourage their primitive prayer. TUB takes a dump on the entire notion of primitive prayer. Its taking a dump on every primitive practice people have ever known.

    Would it be wise to go to a primitive country like Iraq and start dropping books off at their feet? They would go through the book and just read about how primitive they are. There would be MASSIVE disillusionment. Essentially the majority of the world is engaging in a primitive form of prayer and religion, I think we should be careful how we give this book out. To leave someone alone with this book without any help is probably a bad idea, we could be doing more harm then good.

    I am not saying we shouldn’t share the book, but I think we should pay close attention to the “great caution” part of it and ask ourselves the question why do we want to exersize great caution when sharing the book. In a personal relationship its not so bad to be given a TUB, because you have someone there to help you when you do go through periods of disillusionment. But if you are all alone going through disollusionment without someone there, it may not be a good thing. You may just end up going through so much disollusionment that you stop where you are and give up. Or you may just sit there and beat yourself up over everything. Some people may be better off not going through all of that.

     

     

  17. The one nifty thing about wisdom is that it doesn’t come in a tidy package, completely assembled and ready for use.  Wisdom is earned by experience and experience is messy; it includes making mistakes, sometimes lots of them.  It took about a decade after Pentecost for the early believers to fractionalize.  There was plenty of bickering between the various sects, James, the Lord’s brother and Abner getting the short end of the stick rather early on.  I suspect that this type of disputation is part of the process, especially since the same thing is happening with this epochal revelation as the last, and even the ones preceding them.  It seems to be a recurring theme, and probably necessary for the growth of wisdom.

    Both mind and spirit tend toward unity; therefore, it’s no wonder that humans desire it so ardently.  But it is all about unity of purpose, motivation and goals derived from spiritual insight. It’s about the inner recognition of truth and how it is interpreted on an individual basis.  As long as everyone is striving to discover, recognize, interpret and choose the truth, then why does it matter what social form it takes?

    In fact, I believe it should take many different forms in order to satisfy the intellectual, emotional and social needs of various groups of people.  There are such things as kindred spirits, and I see nothing wrong with like-minded individuals gathering together and establishing themselves according their beliefs concerning the Revelation.  But this works only if these groups refrain from succumbing to the “chosen people” syndrome.  I also urge strongly against central organization directing any part of these groups’ functions.  (Thinking of the chaordic design proposals here).

    If there exists a group of people particularly interested in preserving the original text inviolate, then I think they should organize themselves around that goal and do it.  Consider it a service to the overall community of believers.  There is no reason to ram it down anyone’s throats.  Just do it, if you’re moved to do it, and put it out there as a gift to mankind.  There is no need to wrap egos around true service.  Either it is service (God’s will), or it isn’t.  If it is, then it will find a place in God’s Kingdom, and that is all the recognition you really need for your efforts.

    To summarize, the only uniform thing about people is the indwelling spirit.  Everything else is subject to individual co-creativity.  On page 1591:06, Jesus said, “I have come into the world to proclaim spiritual liberty to the end that mortals may be empowered to live individual lives of originality and freedom before God. I do not desire that social harmony and fraternal peace shall be purchased by the sacrifice of free personality and spiritual originality.”

    I think that the scaffolding of any organization should be only to foster the freedom of personalities, enabling them to explore their own original ideas. Then, allow them to branch out in their service, individually or in groups, as new growths on the spreading vine.   I think the current scaffolding is accomplishing this goal.  There doesn’t seem to be emphasis on establishing a religion, or even a particular philosophy of living, as much as in assisting personalities with their efforts to socialize their thoughts concerning the Revelation and share their inner lives in the process. With that and the distribution of the text in multiple languages, what else do you really need?

     

  18. Hi all,

    I am new to posting in this format, and just realized my messages from yesterday and today did not reach you. I will send them later today. Please know that I appreciate all of your comments and have been reading them as emails.

    Meanwhile, I am wondering if we could change the title of this forum thread to “Michael’s Plan” instead of “The Michael Plan”? None of us who co-authored or support the principles and practices in the document entitled “Michael’s Plan” would ever presume that we have “The” truth on the subject, nor would we presume to impose our views on others. We simply want to share our various views, as do many readers, on these subjects, for the purpose of group wisdom.

    Isn’t it wonderful that our Planetary Prince has a plan that we may discern as we wish with the guidance of Jesus’ Spirit of Truth available to all of us all the time?

    Peace, Barbara

     

     

     

  19. [. . .]

    If we are handing out TUB’s left and right to people who are practicing primitive prayer that is esentially an attempt to discourage their primitive prayer. [. . .]

    Would it be wise to go to a primitive country like Iraq and start dropping books off at their feet? [. . .] To leave someone alone with this book without any help is probably a bad idea, we could be doing more harm then good.

    I am not saying we shouldn’t share the book, but I think we should pay close attention to the “great caution” part of it and ask ourselves the question why do we want to exersize great caution when sharing the book. [. . .]

    “TUB” makes some interesting points, regarding distribution of “The Urantia Book”, but over the many years which the Book has been in circulation it has amazed me that so few people even know about the Book.  It took me until the late 1990’s to fall across the Book at a book store, although it had been around for forty year until that time.  On another note where I agree that it would not be wise to go to a country like Iraq, which might imply a missionary type of approach, but it has amazed me that there has been not public media used to even bring it to the publics attention.  How many TV networks are there that offer any number of religious programming to attract attention to their cause, yet The Urantia Book does not proclaim a religion, it does contain  religious material, which may appeal to those who are looking for some alternative to a religion, where they may be looking for something more on the lines of a more spiritual understanding of the world and or universe.  There is no reason why a nondenominational program could not be established that promotes the reading of The Urantia Book, like a public reading group program which takes specific section of the Book and presents them, audibly and texturally on the screen, then with a scripted question and answer session afterwards which may incorporate as many alternative proposed definitions as to be discussed as if there is not cut and dry answer to the Book’s interpretation.  This may indicate to an interested person that there may be alternate ways to reading The Urantia Book.  If it is scripted properly, it may also show parallels to an alternative which may shed some light on the message being projected in the Book.

    Besides what could happen? they don’t watch or change the channel, but this will set a mental and visual note in their minds and the word “Urantia” will find its way into the modern dictionary, and may prompt enough controversy where other established religion will need to be aware of its existence.

    P.S.: Posted 6:54 PM EST (DST).

  20. Hi Midi,

    As a longtime student of The Urantia Book I would like to challeng this assertion you made:

    “…The Urantia Book does not proclaim a religion…”

     

    From cover to cover it proclaims the “religion of Jesus,” fatherhood of God, brotherhood of mankind.

    The term “religion” is redefined as the personal spiritual relationship, creature with creator. This parent child concept is the basis of religion and is core to “the religion of Jesus.” Religion yet to be accepted individually “en masse” and practiced collectively on Urantia.

    Yes, The Urantia Book proclaims religion loud and clear. From God’s point of view there are only two classes, those who know God and those who do not. The Urantia Book is here for those who wish to know God.

    Yes, The Urantia Book proclaims God. Knowing God is religion.

    Begins with the acceptance of sonship and moves on from there.

     

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