Hooray for the ordinary men and women on this planet who just want to live their lives with God at the center of it!
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We do agree on that much! And they will win the day.
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Richard E Warren
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The Dangers of Democracy
114 posts · 8 participants · started Oct 26, 2017, 1:16 PM
Jesus was not a social or political reformer. He did counsel that wealthy man who asked for his advice. But I found these interesting comments he made on behalf of a poor man who had been falsely accused. He’s talking about justice as the foundation of civil government. He talks about a sacred duty . . ..
132:4.8 Meeting a poor man who had been falsely accused, Jesus went with him before the magistrate and, having been granted special permission to appear in his behalf, made that superb address in the course of which he said: “Justice makes a nation great, and the greater a nation the more solicitous will it be to see that injustice shall not befall even its most humble citizen. Woe upon any nation when only those who possess money and influence can secure ready justice before its courts! It is the sacred duty of a magistrate to acquit the innocent as well as to punish the guilty. Upon the impartiality, fairness, and integrity of its courts the endurance of a nation depends. Civil government is founded on justice, even as true religion is founded on mercy.”.Good point, Mara..Richard E Warren
But China’s big advantage now is its gathering unity coupled with its family centric ethic.
Have you been reading the news lately? The ordinary people of China are protesting over several contentious issues concerning land, labor and environment. The government has been destroying farmland, increasing pollution and abusing workers. Plus, the one child rule does little to foster the family, in my opinion. I wouldn’t want to live there, that’s for sure.
Will printing TUB in Mandarin foster stability worldwide? Hard to say. Can’t hurt though.
.Thanks for that!
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Richard E Warren
But China’s big advantage now is its gathering unity coupled with its family centric ethic.
Have you been reading the news lately? The ordinary people of China are protesting over several contentious issues concerning land, labor and environment. The government has been destroying farmland, increasing pollution and abusing workers. Plus, the one child rule does little to foster the family, in my opinion. I wouldn’t want to live there, that’s for sure.
Interesting! This phrase, “The ordinary people of
ChinaU.S. are protesting over several contentious issues concerning land, labor and environment. The government has been destroying farmland, increasing pollution and abusing workers.” applies as much to the U.S. right now as it does to China.Edited to add: The one child rule in China was changed in 2013. But they do still limit the number of children and I agree with Bonita on that. However, perhaps the silver lining is they, too, are evolving – perhaps in the right direction (at least on that one factor).
The ordinary people of America are not protesting.
They’re standing up to mindlessness though thank God.
The ordinary people of America are not protesting. They’re standing up to mindlessness though thank God.
Oh, really. How do you define “ordinary people”? How about people who were born here (in the U.S., I mean), who are not wealthy, perhaps veterans, and those who hold down jobs and raise families? Are those “ordinary people” in your view?
Also, I’m just curious; what is the difference between “protesting” and “standing up to” in your mind? Obviously, you see one as bad and other as good. How so? This same group of “ordinary people” as you call them, are ‘not protesting’ but they are ‘standing up to’. Huh.
Interesting! This phrase, “The ordinary people of China U.S. are protesting over several contentious issues concerning land, labor and environment. The government has been destroying farmland, increasing pollution and abusing workers.” applies as much to the U.S. right now as it does to China.
Just curious Keryn. Do you live in the U.S. that you know these things, because I have not seen any of this. People are protesting over historic flags, police practices, birth control, minimum wage, open borders and LGTB issues. Has the government destroyed farmland or has industry and population growth destroyed it? Do you think there is more pollution in the U.S. than in China? What abuses, besides a presumably unfair minimum wage, are workers complaining about? I think most are complaining that their companies have been shut down and sent abroad under the guise of globalism. No, I think the protesting you see today in the U.S. is coming mostly from:
70:12.11 5. Domination by vicious minorities.
173:1.11 . . . the unfair and enslaving practices of unjust minorities who may be able to entrench themselves behind political, financial, or ecclesiastical power.
I can see continuation of the scenario described below playing out on our streets and in our communities daily. Where is the evolution? This has been going on for many thousands of years.
(758.6) 67:5.1 Great confusion reigned in Dalamatia and thereabout for almost fifty years after the instigation of rebellion. The complete and radical reorganization of the whole world was attempted; revolution displaced evolution as the policy of cultural advancement and racial improvement. Among the superior and partially trained sojourners in and near Dalamatia there appeared a sudden advancement in cultural status, but when these new and radical methods were attempted on the outlying peoples, indescribable confusion and racial pandemonium was the immediate result. Liberty was quickly translated into license by the half-evolved primitive men of those days.
The ordinary people of America are not protesting. They’re standing up to mindlessness though thank God.
Oh, really. How do you define “ordinary people”? How about people who were born here (in the U.S., I mean), who are not wealthy, perhaps veterans, and those who hold down jobs and raise families? Are those “ordinary people” in your view? Also, I’m just curious; what is the difference between “protesting” and “standing up to” in your mind? Obviously, you see one as bad and other as good. How so? This same group of “ordinary people” as you call them, are ‘not protesting’ but they are ‘standing up to’. Huh.
Ordinary people are those who follow Jesus before anyone else.
And in my opinion, these are the people who elected you know who POTUS.
That’s how ordinary people stand up.
Where is the evolution?
As I tried to explain before, false ideologies always crash and burn. The fact that they do crash and burn is clear evidence of evolution. That doesn’t stop people from trying it all over again with the next best so-called solution to the world’s problems. However, the riots we see today in this country are due to the license of vicious minorities, not necessarily folks who have the answers for the world’s problems. Angry protestors are primarily concerned about their singular issues. For some reason they think they have the freedom and authority to do this, to rant and riot for their narrow cause as though it were the most important cause in the universe. Where do they think they got that freedom and authority? It’s been given to them by ideologists who have fostered it. Why do ideologists foster unrest? To cause instability and fear in order to gain power . . . just like Lucifer’s minions. No difference.
Where is the evolution?
As I tried to explain before, false ideologies always crash and burn. The fact that they do crash and burn is clear evidence of evolution. That doesn’t stop people from trying it all over again with the next best so-called solution to the world’s problems. However, the riots we see today in this country are due to the license of vicious minorities, not necessarily folks who have the answers for the world’s problems. Angry protestors are primarily concerned about their singular issues. For some reason they think they have the freedom and authority to do this, to rant and riot for their narrow cause as though it were the most important cause in the universe. Where do they think they got that freedom and authority? It’s been given to them by ideologists who have fostered it. Why do ideologists foster unrest? To cause instability and fear in order to gain power . . . just like Lucifer’s minions. No difference.
That’s right. The signs of what it really is, speaks for itself.
(66:8.1) In looking back over the long career of Caligastia, we find only one outstanding feature of his conduct that might have challenged attention; he was ultraindividualistic. He was inclined to take sides with almost every party of protest, and he was usually sympathetic with those who gave mild expression to implied criticism. We detect the early appearance of this tendency to be restless under authority, to mildly resent all forms of supervision. While slightly resentful of senior counsel and somewhat restive under superior authority, nonetheless, whenever a test had come, he had always proved loyal to the universe rulers and obedient to the mandates of the Constellation Fathers. No real fault was ever found in him up to the time of his shameful betrayal of Urantia.
Where is the evolution?
As I tried to explain before, false ideologies always crash and burn. The fact that they do crash and burn is clear evidence of evolution. That doesn’t stop people from trying it all over again with the next best so-called solution to the world’s problems. However, the riots we see today in this country are due to the license of vicious minorities, not necessarily folks who have the answers for the world’s problems. Angry protestors are primarily concerned about their singular issues. For some reason they think they have the freedom and authority to do this, to rant and riot for their narrow cause as though it were the most important cause in the universe. Where do they think they got that freedom and authority? It’s been given to them by ideologists who have fostered it. Why do ideologists foster unrest? To cause instability and fear in order to gain power . . . just like Lucifer’s minions. No difference.
thank you for your perspective
As I tried to explain before, false ideologies always crash and burn. The fact that they do crash and burn is clear evidence of evolution. That doesn’t stop people from trying it all over again with the next best so-called solution to the world’s problems. However, the riots we see today in this country are due to the license of vicious minorities, not necessarily folks who have the answers for the world’s problems. Angry protestors are primarily concerned about their singular issues. For some reason they think they have the freedom and authority to do this, to rant and riot for their narrow cause as though it were the most important cause in the universe. Where do they think they got that freedom and authority? It’s been given to them by ideologists who have fostered it. Why do ideologists foster unrest? To cause instability and fear in order to gain power . . . just like Lucifer’s minions. No difference.
Well, of course protestors are focused on the issues they care deeply about – that’s why they protest. Because they care very much about something. What, you’d prefer to see folks marching on the mall in DC holding signs that say, “Everything in general is fine!” “Don’t change anything!” lol.
Your phrasing is very revealing. “Angry” protestors. “… rant and riot”. The majority of demonstrations and protest rallies in this country are peaceful but you don’t hear as much about those because they are uninteresting from a news media perspective. The word “protestors” is a way to dehumanize folks who take time off from their jobs, find childcare for their kids, go to the trouble and expense of traveling to the event location, and sometimes even suffer physical harm while there. These are *people*, who care enough to go beyond pontificating and into putting their bodies on the line, not only for themselves, but for their children and their children’s children.
While Jesus did not get involved in politics or social movements of any kind, I do not think he would have spurned folks who were actively demonstrating for a cause they care about. I think Jesus would have lovingly listened to them and tried to understand their point of view.
I have riot control scars that date back to Democrat convention Chicago 1968
they were just as brainless, communist utopian minded and destructive then as now. Enemies of a freedom loving people with hatred for democracy and liberty. Abby Hoffman : If it feels good, do it. What kind of ideaology is that? It persists today for many brainless commie types.
The only thing changed by the angry selfish violent protests was considerable resentment and division.
Let America be divided, I have no problem with that, in fact I really think it would be a very good thing. Here on the left coast I’m working for #51: Jefferson State and I’m doing it with many other brothers and sisters without riots and protests or burning, smashing and assulting people, we are using the existing legal system. In fact, when we meet at times, peacefully on private property the commie rat rioters come looking for trouble.
But as is self evident, the democratic control here on the left coast is lawless, criminal and the legal system is corrupt. So it’s uphill all the way.
“brainless commie types”, “commie rat rioters”. Sure. Let’s paint everybody we don’t agree with using the same brush. And let’s name call while we’re at it. I’m sure Jesus would
Our current POTUS understands that protests can be helpful for our country.
“brainless commie types”, “commie rat rioters”. Sure. Let’s paint everybody we don’t agree with using the same brush. And let’s name call while we’re at it. I’m sure Jesus would
Our current POTUS understands that protests can be helpful for our country.i don’t care what you or POTUS think about protesters and rioters. My experiences are valid and my opinions are justified and scars are deep and I know who my enemies are.
I do admit however that Jesus would lecture me similar to how he did Simon but I’m ok with that.
I will likely sleep till the next dispensation but I’m ok with that too. The rest will do me good.
Gene,
Absolutely your experiences are valid. I am sorry you have had the hardships that have created unpleasant feelings of enmity with your brothers and sisters but I understand as I, too, struggle in that way at times.
