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100 posts · 8 participants · started Jan 20, 2015, 1:07 AM

  1. Continuing off Bonita’s quote above, to respond to your impression Manny about concern of a hairtrigger aspect to judgments while Michael would be away, 120:1.6 makes clear that it wasn’t ever the case of any “hint of disloyalty” being the grounds for immediate annihilation but full-tilt rebellion. Quote of Immanual:

    “I am the living and supreme pledge whose presence and promise guarantee the safe administration of your universe in accordance with your Father’s will. Rebellion, such as has three times occurred in Nebadon, cannot occur during your absence from Salvington on this bestowal. For the period of the Urantia bestowal the Ancients of Days have decreed that rebellion in Nebadon shall be invested with the automatic seed of its own annihilation.” (120:1.6)

    And again mentioned here as well as in the paragraph prior which Bonita posted, it’s by decree of the Ancients of Days that there would be annihilation, not Gabriel.

  2. Yes, Michael did already have sovereignty.  His creatorship already implies fullness of sovereignty (21:3.3) “but the Michaels choose to experientially earn it”.  He was already far along in the third type of sovereignty manifestation at the time of the Lucifer rebellion, “augmenting vicegerent sovereignty” (21:3.7), and since then has attained the fourth level of it after concluding his experiences on Earth.

    Michael did not accept full sovereignty till after his baptism. At the time of the rebellion, Michael said, hands off the rebels, let things ride. Michael did not end the Lucifer rebellion till his bestowal mission as Jesus. Not until his sovereignty was beyond any question.

    If Gabriel was on trial, it would Lucifer vs. Gabriel; but it’s the other way around.  Gabriel is not judging, he’s bringing the case to trial so higher judges can judge.  He’s simply doing his job as chief executive and administrator of Nebadon.

    Possible scenario:
    “But I was only doing my job”, pleaded Gabriel. “Judgement is our job”, replied the AOD. Judge not lest ye be judged.

    But it is not Lucifer vs Gabriel because Lucifer did not indict Gabriel. It was the other way around.

    No, you’re not.  It would have been Immanuel, not Gabriel who had the power to do these things.  During Michael’s bestowal mission the government of Nebadon was in the hands of both Gabriel and Immanuel; but, it was Immanuel who was given the power from Ancients of Days to call for the extinction of anyone instigating insurrection.  Immanuel said the following to Michael before his incarnation:

    120:1.5 “And that you may know with assurance that I am empowered to do all that I am now promising (knowing full well that I am the assurance of all Paradise for the faithful performance of my word), I announce to you that there has just been communicated to me a mandate of the Ancients of Days on Uversa which will prevent all spiritual jeopardy in Nebadon throughout the period of your voluntary bestowal. From the moment you surrender consciousness, upon the beginning of the mortal incarnation, until you return to us as supreme and unconditional sovereign of this universe of your own creation and organization, nothing of serious import can happen in all Nebadon. In this interim of your incarnation, I hold the orders of the Ancients of Days which unqualifiedly mandate the instantaneous and automatic extinction of any being guilty of rebellion or presuming to instigate insurrection in the universe of Nebadon while you are absent on this bestowal. My brother, in view of the authority of Paradise inherent in my presence and augmented by the judicial mandate of Uversa, your universe and all its loyal creatures will be secure during your bestowal. You may proceed upon your mission with but a single thought — the enhanced revelation of our Father to the intelligent beings of your universe.”

    The author of paper 120 was sponsored by a commission of twelve Urantia midwayers acting under the supervision of a Melchizedek revelatory director. The basis of this narrative was supplied by a secondary midwayer who was onetime assigned to the superhuman watch care of the Apostle Andrew.

    My question now is; How does a midwayer know of a private conversation between Immanuel and Michael? How did this midwayer come into possession of this most private recording in quotes between Paradise brother? I would consider a betrayal of trust if it were not specifically authorized by both Michael and Immanuel. Now this may have occurred but I see no direct evidence that it did occur.

    Continuing off Bonita’s quote above, to respond to your impression Manny about concern of a hairtrigger aspect to judgments while Michael would be away, 120:1.6 makes clear that it wasn’t ever the case of any “hint of disloyalty” being the grounds for immediate annihilation but full-tilt rebellion. Quote of Immanual:

    “I am the living and supreme pledge whose presence and promise guarantee the safe administration of your universe in accordance with your Father’s will. Rebellion, such as has three times occurred in Nebadon, cannot occur during your absence from Salvington on this bestowal. For the period of the Urantia bestowal the Ancients of Days have decreed that rebellion in Nebadon shall be invested with the automatic seed of its own annihilation.” (120:1.6)

    And again mentioned here as well as in the paragraph prior which Bonita posted, it’s by decree of the Ancients of Days that there would be annihilation, not Gabriel.

    Again, who is this secondary midwayer that presumes to quote Immanuel? Who is he? He knows of the decrees of the Ancients of Days? Who told him of these things? He was only sponsored and supervised, not dictated to.

    I have the right to question this secondary midwayer that is without name because I even have the right to question God. Just now I questioned God as to His will regarding the mentioning these things.

    Regards, Manny

  3. emanny3003 wrote:  My question now is; How does a midwayer know of a private conversation between Immanuel and Michael? How did this midwayer come into possession of this most private recording in quotes between Paradise brother?

    Well . . . . it looks to me that the Melchizedek director of the revelatory commission wrote Paper 120, not a midwayer. He was assigned by Gabriel and authorized to narrate the events immediately preceding Michael’s bestowal.  That means he had permission to access the information and authority to share it.

    120:0.1 Assigned by Gabriel to supervise the restatement of the life of Michael when on Urantia and in the likeness of mortal flesh, I, the Melchizedek director of the revelatory commission intrusted with this task, am authorized to present this narrative of certain events which immediately preceded the Creator Son’s arrival on Urantia to embark upon the terminal phase of his universe bestowal experience. To live such identical lives as he imposes upon the intelligent beings of his own creation, thus to bestow himself in the likeness of his various orders of created beings, is a part of the price which every Creator Son must pay for the full and supreme sovereignty of his self-made universe of things and beings.

     

  4. My question now is; How does a midwayer know of a private conversation between Immanuel and Michael? How did this midwayer come into possession of this most private recording in quotes between Paradise brother? I would consider a betrayal of trust if it were not specifically authorized by both Michael and Immanuel. Now this may have occurred but I see no direct evidence that it did occur.

    Again, who is this secondary midwayer that presumes to quote Immanuel? Who is he? He knows of the decrees of the Ancients of Days? Who told him of these things? He was only sponsored and supervised, not dictated to.

    I have the right to question this secondary midwayer that is without name because I even have the right to question God. Just now I questioned God as to His will regarding the mentioning these things.

    It’s only from just a little further in the paper that it can be seen this wasn’t “a private conversation” and a “most private recording” like you’ve supposed. Also that the Melchizidek (not midwayer) was relaying it from having been there:

    “Then, immediately, in the presence of all Salvington assembled, Michael removed himself from our midst” (120:3.12)

  5. 120:0.1 Assigned by Gabriel to supervise the restatement of the life of Michael when on Urantia and in the likeness of mortal flesh, I, the Melchizedek director of the revelatory commission intrusted with this task, am authorized to present this narrative of certain events which immediately preceded the Creator Son’s arrival on Urantia to embark upon the terminal phase of his universe bestowal experience. To live such identical lives as he imposes upon the intelligent beings of his own creation, thus to bestow himself in the likeness of his various orders of created beings, is a part of the price which every Creator Son must pay for the full and supreme sovereignty of his self-made universe of things and beings.

    Ok Bonita, I will respond to this but I wish to make it known that a secondary midwayer is responsible for the basis of the narrative of the life and teachings of Jesus. The Melchizedek director of the revelatory commission was entrusted with the task of this paper and probably paper 121. The midwayer begins his work in paper 122 presumably.

    The Melchizedek director was “assigned” by Gabriel. Is it possible that Gabriel is the source of the quoted conversation between Michael and Immanuel? Is it possible that Gabriel has an agenda? He has the freewill to have a point of view and act on it thorough an agenda. We have proof of his agenda in the fact of “Gabriel vs Lucifer”. He is, after all, just doing his job. He is prosecuting Lucifer. That is quite an agenda don’t you think. An agenda is proof of bias. Michael and Father did not take sides in this matter. Michael and Father have no agenda or bias.

    Jesus admonished Gabriel to, “judge not lest ye be judged”. Of course, he said to every other person in Nebadon as well.

    Was Jesus warning Gabriel of the dangers of prosecutorial misconduct?

  6. It’s only from just a little further in the paper that it can be seen this wasn’t “a private conversation” and a “most private recording” like you’ve supposed. Also that the Melchizidek (not midwayer) was relaying it from having been there:

    “Then, immediately, in the presence of all Salvington assembled, Michael removed himself from our midst” (120:3.12)

    You are assuming that it was not a private conversation. Of what use is this information to the whole of Salvington. Everyone was watching on TV when he took leave but were these instructions to Michael broadcasted to all. IMO, no.

    I have been corrected about the midwayer not writing paper 120. Lets start over with the fact that it was a Melchizedek.

    120:0.9 And this was the setting of the momentous occasion when Immanuel presented the seventh bestowal commission. And from this prebestowal charge of Immanuel to the universe ruler who subsequently became Jesus of Nazareth (Christ Michael) on Urantia, I am permitted to present the following excerpts:

    The Melchizedek was “PERMITTED” to present the instructions from Immanuel. This means that he was not a witness to it. One would not have to gain permission to bear witness to these conversations if one is present and have heard it first hand. And who was it that “GAVE PERMISSION”? I must assume that it was Gabriel because he was “ASSIGNED” by Gabriel. Again, we know of Gabriel’s agenda. Since the Melchizedek did not witness these instructions, what he has presented is what had been recorded by Gabriel or what Gabriel told him. Is that not hearsay? Is not repeating another bearing false witness?

    It most certainly is not bearing “direct” witness. Publishing pretrial propaganda to influence the “court” is PROSECUTORIAL MISCONDUCT!

    No Untruths have been told in Paper 120. It is as they say, but we just have to decide what has been said and read with discernment.

  7. “There was no secrecy (aside from the incarnation mystery) connected with any step in the Urantia bestowal.” (119:7.2)

  8. “There was no secrecy (aside from the incarnation mystery) connected with any step in the Urantia bestowal.” (119:7.2)

    If course there was no secrecy. There is no untruths either. Everything in TUB is presented openly for those with eyes to see.

  9. I think we should get back to the question: What is judgment?

    The dictionary tells us that judgment is merely the ability to make decisions, and to form opinions.  It is not an accident that the second adjutant mind spirit, the spirit of understanding,  provides us with the gift of rapid judgment.  It appears to be essential to the coordination and association of ideas.  The lower animals make such judgments based upon experience, but with the presence of personality and the indwelling spirit, humans are capable of making rapid judgments concerning morality, meanings and values. It is a fundamental part of our psyche.

    36:5.7 2. The spirit of understanding – the impulse of co-ordination, the spontaneous and apparently automatic association of ideas. This is the gift of the co-ordination of acquired knowledge, the phenomenon of quick reasoning, rapid judgment, and prompt decision.

    Jesus said, “Judge not.”  He did not say, “Judgment not.”  The admonition against judging is akin to the golden rule, which instructs us to treat others as Jesus would treat them.  He explained that the spirit with which we judge others is the same spirit with which we will be judged; so, we should only judge as we would like to be judged ourselves.  Or better yet, as a loving Father, would judge.  Likewise, we are told to forgive others as Jesus would forgive them. The UB explains in the following quotes how forgiveness relates to the golden rule.

    170:2.23 Regarding sin, he taught that God has forgiven; that we make such forgiveness personally available by the act of forgiving our fellows. When you forgive your brother in the flesh, you thereby create the capacity in your own soul for the reception of the reality of God’s forgiveness of your own misdeeds.

    170:3.4  God’s forgiveness is made actually available and is personally experienced by man just in so far as he forgives his fellows.

    146:2.4 Even the forgiveness of sin operates in this same unerring fashion. The Father in heaven has forgiven you even before you have thought to ask him, but such forgiveness is not available in your personal religious experience until such a time as you forgive your fellow men. God’s forgiveness in fact is not conditioned upon your forgiving your fellows, but in experience it is exactly so conditioned.

  10. The dictionary tells us that judgment is merely the ability to make decisions, and to form opinions.  It is not an accident that the second adjutant mind spirit, the spirit of understanding,  provides us with the gift of rapid judgment.  It appears to be essential to the coordination and association of ideas.  The lower animals make such judgments based upon experience, but with the presence of personality and the indwelling spirit, humans are capable of making rapid judgments concerning morality, meanings and values. It is a fundamental part of our psyche.

    Again Bonita, you are on top of things. I failed to define the term as I would use it. Given of redo on the topic I would now ask, WHAT DOES IT MEAN ‘TO JUDGE’? I think that you would agree that this changes the discussion and thank you for the distinction and correction.

    Jesus said, “Judge not.”  He did not say, “Judgment not.”  The admonition against judging is akin to the golden rule, which instructs us to treat others as Jesus would treat them.  He explained that the spirit with which we judge others is the same spirit with which we will be judged; so, we should only judge as we would like to be judged ourselves.  Or better yet, as a loving Father, would judge.  Likewise, we are told to forgive others as Jesus would forgive them. The UB explains in the following quotes how forgiveness relates to the golden rule.

    In order to forgive other as Jesus would forgive is to not judge in the first place. Jesus refused to judge. Forgiveness means to ‘look past’ ones verdict of your brother.

    147:4.1 On the evening of this same Sabbath day, at Bethany, while Jesus, the twelve, and a group of believers were assembled about the fire in Lazarus’s garden, Nathaniel asked Jesus this question: “Master, although you have taught us the positive version of the old rule of life, instructing us that we should do to others as we wish them to do to us, I do not fully discern how we can always abide by such an injunction. Let me illustrate my contention by citing the example of a lustful man who thus wickedly looks upon his intended consort in sin. How can we teach that this evil-intending man should do to others as he would they should do to him?”

    147:4.2 When Jesus heard Nathaniel’s question, he immediately stood upon his feet and, pointing his finger at the apostle, said: “Nathaniel, Nathaniel! What manner of thinking is going on in your heart? Do you not receive my teachings as one who has been born of the spirit? Do you not hear the truth as men of wisdom and spiritual understanding? When I admonished you to do to others as you would have them do to you, I spoke to men of high ideals, not to those who would be tempted to distort my teaching into a license for the encouragement of evildoing.” *

    In order to forgive others as Jesus would forgive them requires a refusal to judge in the first place. There is no proper way to judge a brother, therefore the need for forgiveness.

    147:4.3 When the Master had spoken, Nathaniel stood up and said: “But, Master, you should not think that I approve of such an interpretation of your teaching. I asked the question because I conjectured that many such men might thus misjudge your admonition, and I hoped you would give us further instruction regarding these matters.” And then when Nathaniel had sat down, Jesus continued speaking: “I well know, Nathaniel, that no such idea of evil is approved in your mind, but I am disappointed in that you all so often fail to put a genuinely spiritual interpretation upon my commonplace teachings, instruction which must be given you in human language and as men must speak. Let me now teach you concerning the differing levels of meaning attached to the interpretation of this rule of living, this admonition to `do to others that which you desire others to do to you’:

    “1. The level of the flesh. Such a purely selfish and lustful interpretation would be well exemplified by the supposition of your question.

    “2. The level of the feelings. This plane is one level higher than that of the flesh and implies that sympathy and pity would enhance one’s interpretation of this rule of living.

    “3. The level of mind. Now come into action the reason of mind and the intelligence of experience. Good judgment dictates that such a rule of living should be interpreted in consonance with the highest idealism embodied in the nobility of profound self-respect.

    “4. The level of brotherly love. Still higher is discovered the level of unselfish devotion to the welfare of one’s fellows. On this higher plane of wholehearted social service growing out of the consciousness of the fatherhood of God and the consequent recognition of the brotherhood of man, there is discovered a new and far more beautiful interpretation of this basic rule of life.

    “5. The moral level. And then when you attain true philosophic levels of interpretation, when you have real insight into the rightness and wrongness of things, when you perceive the eternal fitness of human relationships, you will begin to view such a problem of interpretation as you would imagine a high-minded, idealistic, wise, and impartial third person would so view and interpret such an injunction as applied to your personal problems of adjustment to your life situations.

    “6. The spiritual level. And then last, but greatest of all, we attain the level of spirit insight and spiritual interpretation which impels us to recognize in this rule of life the divine command to treat all men as we conceive God would treat them. That is the universe ideal of human relationships. And this is your attitude toward all such problems when your supreme desire is ever to do the Father’s will. I would, therefore, that you should do to all men that which you know I would do to them in like circumstances.”

    At what level does Gabriel of Salvington interpret this admonition concerning the case of Gabriel vs Lucifer?

  11. emanny3003 wrote: At what level does Gabriel of Salvington interpret this admonition concerning the case of Gabriel vs Lucifer?

    Gabriel is not judging Lucifer on any level; he is establishing a case against Lucifer’s sophistries.  It’s a battle over ideas.  For instance, I am not judging you personally when I state my opinion concerning your attitude toward Gabriel’s motives, which I think is entirely fallacious.  Does that mean I’m judging you or your ideas?  Really big difference there.

     

  12. Gabriel is not judging Lucifer on any level; he is establishing a case against Lucifer’s sophistries.  It’s a battle over ideas.  For instance, I am not judging you personally when I state my opinion concerning your attitude toward Gabriel’s motives, which I think is entirely fallacious.  Does that mean I’m judging you or your ideas?  Really big difference there.

    I have no attitude toward Gabriel’s motives, I would just like to know what they are. How do you know if Gabriel is not judging Lucifer? Do you presume to know Gabriel’s motives? I have no clue as to who you are judging or not judging. You state your opinions but does not necessarily belie your motives.

    You are presumptuous to think that my questions are filled with an attitude or make a judgement or even express an opinion.

  13. Gabriel is not judging Lucifer on any level; he is establishing a case against Lucifer’s sophistries.  It’s a battle over ideas.  For instance, I am not judging you personally when I state my opinion concerning your attitude toward Gabriel’s motives, which I think is entirely fallacious.  Does that mean I’m judging you or your ideas?  Really big difference there.

    What you have done is accuse me of presenting an argument. Really you accuse me of offering up a fallacious argument. Your are establishing a case against me because of my sophistries. It is a battle of ideas, no. But in your words, you are not judging me at all and Gabriel is not judging Lucifer.

    You’re missing the point.  There’s a difference between a person’s ideas and a person’s identity.  All I can tell from your posts is that you don’t seem to trust Gabriel and that you’re particularly concerned about Gabriel being judgmental against Lucifer (which incidentally makes one wonder whose side you’re on, but I admit that I don’t know).  The point you are missing is that Gabriel is not judging Lucifer.  He simply has an opinion about Lucifer’s ideas, just like I have an opinion about your ideas.  It doesn’t mean that I’m judging you personally, just your ideas.  I have to be able to judge your ideas in order to determine whether or not they fit into my cosmic-view.  So far they don’t, which is why I reject them.  Am I going to bring you before the magistrates and file charges against you because of your ideas?  NO. WHY?  Because your ideas are harmless to me and to others.  Lucifer’s ideas are NOT harmless to others.  Lucifer’s ideas have resulted in chaos and confusion, the complete opposite of balance, stability, unification and identification with reality, the goal of all personalities.  Therefore we have a trial.  Simple, really.  Don’t understand your angst over it.

    If Gabriel is not judging Lucifer as you say, and he only opines about Lucifer’s fallacious ideas, why does he consider them harmful? I do not take sides in this matter. I am carful not to because neither Michael nor Father have taken sides in this dispute of ideas between their children. We are cautioned not to take sides when brothers make ‘war’ in Heaven.

    I do not dispute that ideas can be harmful to others. Look at the ideology of jihadist Islam. Some agree with me and others do not. There is a war of ideas on Earth.

    Is Gabriel bring up charges against Lucifer’s ideas because they have harmed others? I presume witnesses have to be called in order to prove ‘harm’ in a court on high. These are capital charges because Gabriel seeks annihilation of the rebels. Evidence of harm must be irrefutable due to the capital nature of the crime. Chaos and confusion are difficult ‘harms’ to prove. Witnesses to being ‘confused’ are poor witnesses to start with. Chaos is a state of disorder and confusion. Such a state may reflect badly on an administration whose role it is to maintain order in the first place. After all, the buck stops with Gabriel.

    I see the point all to well, Bonita. We all have a stake in the outcome of this trial. What if I claim that your ideas are causing confusion in the minds of the members of this forum? I am glad to know that my ideas are harmless to you and others. But what if I play the victim and claim that your ideas are harmful to me and others here?

  14. emanny3003 wrote: . . . Gabriel seeks annihilation of the rebels.

    Where does it say that?

  15. emanny3003 wrote: . . . Gabriel seeks annihilation of the rebels.

    Where does it say that?

    53:9.4Satan could come to Urantia because you had no Son of standing in residence—neither Planetary Prince nor Material Son. Machiventa Melchizedek has since been proclaimed vicegerent Planetary Prince of Urantia, and the opening of the case of Gabrielvs. Lucifer has signalized the inauguration of temporary planetary regimes on all the isolated worlds. It is true that Satan did periodically visit Caligastia and others of the fallen princes right up to the time of the presentation of these revelations. when there occurred the first hearing of Gabriel’s plea for the annihilation of the archrebels. Satan is now unqualifiedly detained on the Jerusem prison worlds.

  16. Ah . . . thanks for the quote.

    What else would the plea be once the case makes it to the Ancients of Days?  All of the plea bargaining has already occurred and Lucifer has not accepted any offer for salvation, (repentance and rehab).  Now that the case has reached the Ancients of Days it becomes one of two things: life or death.  I don’t think the option for life in prison without parole is available.  Neither would the option of, say, a million or so years in prison plus a million or so in community service along with a hefty penalty.  There’s only two pleas available, life or death.  I don’t think it has anything to do with Gabriel’s personal desires, although we are not told exactly what they are.  I have to assume that he shares Michael’s thoughts and feelings on the subject and we know that Michael would definitely prefer salvation over death of his son.  Any parent would, as would any loving brother.

  17. What else would the plea be once the case makes it to the Ancients of Days?

    In law a plea is a statement in which a person who has been accused of a crime says in court says that they are are guilty or not guilty o the crime. This is the prerogative of Lucifer, the accused, not Gabriel.

    The word PLEA as used in the quote I gave was from Gabriel and was at a ‘first’ hearing. In this context, Gabriel was ‘seriously and emotionally requesting’ annihilation for the archrebels. (Webster’s Dictionary)

    Do you think that at a first hearing that all mercy had been exhausted?

    There’s only two pleas available, life or death.  I

    There are only two pleas from Lucifer, guilty or not guilty. Only a guilty plea from Lucifer would invite a plea deal. There are no plea deals with a not guilty plea.

    Now that the case has reached the Ancients of Days it becomes one of two things: life or death.  I don’t think the option for life in prison without parole is available.

    There is one more option. Life as a freewill being as God created you. Your two choices presumes guilt and you accuse the Ancients of Days of prejudice.

    I don’t think it has anything to do with Gabriel’s personal desires, although we are not told exactly what they are.

    We are told exactly what Gabriel’s personal desires are in that quote. He “pleads” for the annihilation of the archrebels, his brothers. Loving brother, NOT!

    53:8.4 The Son of Man was confident of success, and he knew that his triumph on your world would forever settle the status of his agelong enemies, not only in Satania but also in the other two systems where sin had entered. There was survival for mortals and security for angels when your Master, in reply to the Lucifer proposals, calmly and with divine assurance replied, “Get you behind me, Satan.” That was, in principle, the real end of the Lucifer rebellion. True, the Uversa tribunals have not yet rendered the executive decision regarding the appeal of Gabriel praying for the destruction of the rebels, but such a decree will, no doubt, be forthcoming in the fullness of time since the first step in the hearing of this case has already been taken.

    What brother prays for the destruction of his brothers?

  18. 140:3.15 “I say to you: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, and pray for those who despitefully use you. And whatsoever you believe that I would do to men, do you also to them.

    140:3.17 “You are commissioned to save men, not to judge them. At the end of your earth life you will all expect mercy; therefore do I require of you during your mortal life that you show mercy to all of your brethren in the flesh. Make not the mistake of trying to pluck a mote out of your brother’s eye when there is a beam in your own eye. Having first cast the beam out of your own eye, you can the better see to cast the mote out of your brother’s eye.

    These admonitions were not limited to The Apostles but were directed to an entire universe.

    Notice that Jesus wanted to confront his erring children as the Son of Man and not as Michael. He got this permission from Father Himself. Jesus wanted it to be a meeting of brothers, not one of father and sons.

    Also notice that Satan has been treated differently than the others that went into rebellion. And it was only Satan that Jesus commanded to “Get you behind me, Satan.”. This is when the rebellion was ended.

    Please take special notice of the fact that the parable of the “Prodigal Son” did not have an ending for the eldest son.

    This ending has yet to be. Look upon Gabriel as the eldest son and see if you cannot follow what I have been saying here and elsewhere about Gabriel vs Lucifer.

  19. It is odd how sometimes the difference between slander and a compliment is only…..the source.  Here’s hoping for some sunshine in your life Louis.  Peace.

    Obliqueness is the hallmark of the hypocrite. The coward is like a candle in the wind. You risk losing your identity within the pages of a book 2097 pages long. No wonder it terrifies you if someone points out a distasteful aspect of what it actually says. You do not hope anything good for me, Bradly, because I am a terrorist to you. You have no peace to offer.

  20. Obliqueness is the hallmark of the hypocrite.

    Hypocrisy is the hallmark of the hypocrite. Such as carrying on and on and making such noise about “judging not” and then turning around to dump judgments on others about their inner life and motivations. IMO, very absurd judgments. Bradly – you’re a gem!

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