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another mind thing

143 posts · 7 participants · started Oct 9, 2016, 9:13 PM

BonitaParticipant
Oct 20, 2016, 11:39 PM

Bradly wrote: VA/nod inserts anxiety and sows seeds of doubt, claiming the UB is DANGEROUS and that fusion is the moment of perfection or becoming perfect and constantly insinuates that readers of the UB are a bunch of complacent, indolent, indifferent, do-nothing navel viewers.

It’s more than that. Do-nothing navel gazers are also avid “rule book” readers who take their marching orders (odd for do-nothingers) from its pages. The written words of the “rule book” are dangerous because they are part of life. But the more trouble and pain in life, the better. Which I guess means that the “rule book” causes no pain or trouble, and that is a bad thing, which is why Jesus would never go there. It’s also a bad thing because it does not contain ALL truth, and that makes the dangers of the “rule book” deeply spiritual in nature. And all this slows the complacent, indolent, indifferent “rule book” readers down even more, and we all know that the Father has expectations and he expects them to be accomplished quickly. But the kingdom is not for sale, so get off the bench and start playing ball. Because, when it’s your turn to take the ball from center, the first thing to remember is that a winning quarterback always calls the right play. But don’t do that with gray thinking which falls in between true and false because it’s non-doable. We all should know that there’s a huge difference between thinking and working. After all, every problem in the world started when somebody in charge thought to mix black and white (which isn’t working). However, the harder I try to describe this, the more I become what isn’t true. Ahhh, now that’s deep. Obviously very advanced.

Bradly wrote: . . . the lack of fruit and flavor is obvious to all.

Didn’t say he belongs to a forum of first-circling, post-fusion reservists? I think I remember him saying that. If so, no wonder he thinks he’s so advanced none of us can understand him. It’s not that he isn’t fragrant or that he doesn’t produce fruit, it’s that we’re all too stupid to notice the fruits and fragrance coming from advanced intellectual and spiritual heights. That makes a lot of sense when you think about it. I should look that up . . . maybe later. Right now I’m watching Star Trek NG, the first contact episode, which is far more interesting.
GeneParticipant
Oct 21, 2016, 12:48 AM
Got a better easier way to tune a piano I’m listening.
Van AmadonParticipant
Oct 21, 2016, 3:39 AM

Play trombone instead.
BonitaParticipant
Oct 21, 2016, 2:08 PM

Bradly wrote: Any student of the UB who claims their personal suspicions and paranoia about God’s very nature and the ascendant’s adventure ahead, is no friend of or scholar of the Revelation….and becomes, potentially, far more dangerous to the student body than those who debunk and discredit the Papers from their disbelief.

I have to agree with you there Bradly. For instance, Van/nod’s claim that God wants his expectations met quickly is really disconcerting.

His Father has expectations and I believe he expects them to be accomplished quickly. nodAmanaV, TB, Sun Sep 18, 2016

This would mean that God’s time unit is short, that his patience is tried, or worse, that he is impatient, which makes God immature. It means that God himself does not have one of the fruits of the spirit he expects us to develop. Now that is just weird. I don’t think that’s a very good message for the TUB student body, or any student body. And it is dangerous, as you say, to portray a timeless God as having time issues. That turns him into something worse than an Old Testament god. It portrays God as having a human character which is willing to play with spirit poisons. And that is a severe retrogression. We should not be going backwards in thought. That is dangerous, I wholly agree.

118:1.3 There is a direct relationship between maturity and the unit of time consciousness in any given intellect.

118:1.6 Patience is exercised by those mortals whose time units are short; true maturity transcends patience by a forbearance born of real understanding.

48:7.20 18. Impatience is a spirit poison; anger is like a stone hurled into a hornet’s nest.

God is infinitely patient. His maturity actually transcends patience.

2:6.9 The goodness of God rests at the bottom of the divine free-willness – the universal tendency to love, show mercy, manifest patience, and minister forgiveness.

If over rapid growth is suicidal, then why would God insist that his expectations be met quickly? Does he want us all dead? It reminds me of the nasty god who flooded the world due to impatience with humans. I thought we left that nasty fellow behind. Why would Van/nod want to resurrect him?

39:4.12 These seraphim teach the fruitfulness of patience: That stagnation is certain death, but that overrapid growth is equally suicidal; that as a drop of water from a higher level falls to a lower and, flowing onward, passes ever downward through a succession of short falls, so ever upward is progress in the morontia and spirit worlds – and just as slowly and by just such gradual stages.

An aside: Bradly, I noticed toto asked a question on TB which no one has answered. I think it important to get him the info before those who who think TUB is dangerous, or the pockets and cracks of time people, or the churchifiers get to him.

After death and resurrection, did the personalities of Jesus and Michael remain twofold? Is Christ Michael forever a twofold personality?Can anyone shed some light on this? I have yet to understand the nature of a twofold personality and how it relates to The Trinity. toto, TB, Thu Oct 20, 2016

Tell him that only humans have dual or twofold natures. Before his baptism, Jesus had a dual nature. After his baptism his divine and human natures became one. He now has a combined nature which functions as one, fully human and fully divine. The other thing about his combined nature is that it is a combination of the Father and the Son, as well as a combination of the Son of Man (human) and the Son of God. He did the full circle. Although the Trinity also functions as one, it has three separate personalities. Jesus has only one personality, perfectly combined. Jesus still has a human nature which makes him so valuable to us as humans now and during our ascension careers.

55.10.8 The Creator Sons of such settled universes spend much of their time on Paradise and its associated worlds and in counseling the numerous finaliter groups serving throughout the local creation. In this way the man of Michael will find a fuller fraternity of association with the glorified finaliter mortals.
Van AmadonParticipant
Oct 21, 2016, 2:14 PM
The interesting thing about perfect pitch is how nature establishes it. The frequencies attributed to each of the seven natural tones aren’t arbitrary. All physical material resonates or vibrates the same, which is why when a musical instrument is in tune, you hear “that ring” in the room.

Personally, I find what’s in between the natural and accidental (flat and sharp) notes very important. To me these infinite frequencies inbetween the keys of a piano, in the cracks if you will, represent where the charged emotions of being human are expressed with the most power. It’s in the dissonance, the supposed imperfect range between the “perfect” notes, that music makes its greatest artistic impact in my opinion.

The very same thing occurs rhythmically when a measure includes an interruption to the established tempo of a tune.

All this is a reflection of life and is why good music rejuvenates the spirit.
Van AmadonParticipant
Oct 21, 2016, 2:38 PM

Continuing from above, I think the reason why all good art rejuvenates, especially music, is because the experience of it reflects what we experience spiritually most intimately, but are unable to share any other way. Art speaks in ways language can’t.

It’s interesting that four of the most appealing musicians to me, Carlos Santana, Jaco Pastorius, Stevie Ray Vaughan and Jimi Hendrix, where (or are) all Urantia Book readers. They all knew how to utilize the stuff which is in the cracks.

I used to wonder why Hendrix named his band the “Experience” until I found out he carried a copy of the Urantia Book wherever he went.
GeneParticipant
Oct 21, 2016, 2:44 PM
Many people believe they have perfect pitch.

when tested it always remains a myth.
Van AmadonParticipant
Oct 21, 2016, 2:49 PM
I bet many a primitive man sang his heart out experiencing the roar reverberating off the walls of a cave wondering at the perfection of it all.
GeneParticipant
Oct 21, 2016, 3:14 PM
VA your just being a troll. Loosing credibility with me. Nothing really to talk about.
Van AmadonParticipant
Oct 21, 2016, 3:20 PM

Oye Como Va
BonitaParticipant
Oct 21, 2016, 3:22 PM

VanAmadon wrote: To me these infinite frequencies inbetween the keys of a piano, in the cracks if you will, represent where the charged emotions of being human are expressed with the most power. It’s in the dissonance, the supposed imperfect range between the “perfect” notes, that music makes its greatest artistic impact in my opinion.

Definition of dissonance : lack of harmony among musical notes.

I call it noise.

It’s my understanding that it is harmony which is most important in the universe. Harmony is the form of universal communication, not dissonance or disharmony. The greatest artistic impact comes from harmony, not the dissonance or noise. This universe is in the process of becoming more harmonious, more real. That which cannot be coordinated with the harmonious beauty of reality will eventually be destroyed. Disharmony, disorganization and confusion is on the way out and is being replaced by harmony. Harmony is attunement with God, which is why it “uplifts” the spirit. God is the uplifter and his uplifting is exquisitely harmonious.

44:1.11 Harmony, the music of the seven levels of melodious association, is the one universal code of spirit communication.

2:7.8 The discernment of supreme beauty is the discovery and integration of reality: The discernment of the divine goodness in the eternal truth, that is ultimate beauty. Even the charm of human art consists in the harmony of its unity.

14:6.8 The Father enjoys the Havona reciprocation of the divine beauty. It satisfies the divine mind to afford a perfect pattern of exquisite harmony for all evolving universes.

27:4.2 Harmony is the keynote of the central universe, and detectable order prevails on Paradise.

42:11.7 Progress towards harmonious unity, a growing experiential synthesis superimposed on an ever-increasing complexity of relationships, could be effected only by a purposive and dominant mind.

44:1.2 The celestial musicians are occupied with the production of celestial harmony by the manipulation of the following spirit forces: . . .

In fact, in the “rule book”, disharmony is equated with imperfection and evil.

4:2.4 Continuing evolution modifies nature by augmenting the content of Paradise perfection and by diminishing the content of the evil, error, and disharmony of relative reality.

10:6.17 In the central universe such functions exist in theory only; there fairness is self-evident in perfection, and Havona perfection precludes all possibility of disharmony.

46:0.1 Your local system has passed through some stormy experiences, but it is at present being administered most efficiently, and as the ages pass, the results of disharmony are being slowly but surely eradicated.

47:4.8 Mansonia number two more specifically provides for the removal of all phases of intellectual conflict and for the cure of all varieties of mental disharmony.

75:4.3 Good is the carrying out of the divine plans; sin is a deliberate transgression of the divine will; evil is the misadaptation of plans and the maladjustment of techniques resulting in universe disharmony and planetary confusion.

105:6.4 Misadaptation, disharmony, and conflict, all these things are inherent in evolutionary growth, from physical universes to personal creatures.

117:7.13 It is believed that, in the ages to come, the possibilities for disharmony, maladjustment, and misadaptation will be eventually exhausted in the superuniverses.

130:4.8 Misadaptation of self-conscious life to the universe results in cosmic disharmony.

130:4.14 But the augmenting error of unjustified deficiency in reasonable spiritual rectification of these originally inherent intellectual disharmonies and spiritual insufficiencies, is equivalent to the realization of actual evil.
Van AmadonParticipant
Oct 21, 2016, 3:26 PM

“Well, I stand up next to a mountain
Chop it down with the edge of my hand
Well, I pick up all the pieces and make an island
Might even raise just a little sand
‘Cause I’m a voodoo child
Lord knows I’m a voodoo child“
BonitaParticipant
Oct 21, 2016, 3:30 PM

VanAmadon wrote:

I bet many a primitive man sang his heart out experiencing the roar reverberating off the walls of a cave wondering at the perfection of it all.

I doubt very many modern humans, let alone cavemen, spiritually experience music. Mostly the appreciation is either physical or involving human emotions, neither of which are spiritual. BTW, Adam and Eve brought us music appreciation.

44:1.12 Appreciation of music on Urantia is both physical and spiritual; and your human musicians have done much to elevate musical taste from the barbarous monotony of your early ancestors to the higher levels of sound appreciation. The majority of Urantia mortals react to music so largely with the material muscles and so slightly with the mind and spirit; but there has been a steady improvement in musical appreciation for more than thirty-five thousand years.
BonitaParticipant
Oct 21, 2016, 3:41 PM
VanAmadon wrote: . . . Lord knows I’m a voodoo child“

Tell me Van/nod. Are you proud of that? Jimi Hendrex was a drug addict with a disharmonious mind and violent temper, not to mention dissonant music. I saw him at Woodstock back when I was a Hog Farm hippie chopping cabbage and cooking bulgar wheat for the free food concession when everything went to hell. Talk about disharmony.

88:6.1 The savage never doctored himself; he never used medicines except on the advice of the specialists in magic. And the voodoo doctors of the twentieth century are typical of the magicians of old.
GeneParticipant
Oct 21, 2016, 3:45 PM
Any music in a cave would likely be very irritating.

not many resonant friquencies in rock.
Van AmadonParticipant
Oct 21, 2016, 3:47 PM

Gene wrote:

Any music in a cave would likely be very irritating. not many resonant friquencies in rock.

“It’s only rock and roll but I like it!”

The Rolling Stones
BradlyParticipant
Oct 21, 2016, 4:22 PM
Thank you Gene for your tenacity and focus….sorry your topic got hijacked….but that’s how trolls operate….interruption, distraction, disharmony, accusations, misstatements and distortion of text, tangents, and the insertion of falsehoods along the way.

Students must be willing to persist despite such efforts…as you have so eloquently done so. Thanks again! So glad you are here.

Bradly

"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
BonitaParticipant
Oct 21, 2016, 4:25 PM

Bradly wrote:

Thank you Gene for your tenacity and focus….sorry your topic got hijacked….but that’s how trolls operate….interruption, distraction, disharmony, accusations, misstatements and distortion of text, tangents, and the insertion of falsehoods along the way. Students must be willing to persist despite such efforts…as you have so eloquently done so. Thanks again! So glad you are here. Bradly

I will ditto that. Thanks to both of you. It’s a pleasure to study with you.
BradlyParticipant
Oct 21, 2016, 4:52 PM
Weird…..I had just replied to toto at TA this morning and came back here to read your suggestion Bonita….I mean within 60 seconds!! Thanks for all your encouragement and your patience over the years Bonita. I’ve never had a better mentor and teacher….UB or otherwise.

I find the insidious and clever insertions of doubts and fears and judgement of others the most dangerous of all elements on the UB Forums and social media…it becomes a poisonous and debilitating fog of corruption and makes the sincere student cautious or even prevent sincere students from joining in….too bad. May all who are sincere find the courage to push back against those who misstate, misquote, twist, torment, revise, or hold themselves above others….with the clearly written UB as their primary source for correcting such evil. These folks have motive to beguile and the intention to deceive. A lesson in discernment for us all and how to respond in meaningful ways for the greatest good for the greatest number. I have much to learn about being gracious and tactful in such affairs. But I have no problem objecting….hahahaha!!

VA/nod seems most amused with himself….or deliriously deluded regarding how to carry on conversation….or remain on point. He is the most unresponsive if prolific of posters…..and just to be clear….not funny.

"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
BonitaParticipant
Oct 21, 2016, 6:34 PM

Bradly wrote: These folks have motive to beguile and the intention to deceive.

I agree that there are quite a few who fall into this category, but I’m not sure everyone does. There are some who present only partial information which they have plucked out to fit into their personal worldview. It might work for them, at least temporarily, but is not truly representative of what is written in TUB. What I find most annoying and disconcerting is the insistence that partial information should be accepted by all despite clear evidence to the contrary within the written pages of the book. Thankfully this revelation is given to us in print and not by word of mouth so such distortion really cannot last long.

The other thing I find a bit startling is that there is absolutely no respect for those who have taken the time for extensive study and scholarship. Why is study and scholarship so disdained? Why is it that these so-called wizards don’t know that study and scholarship is part of utilizing all three of the cosmic mind reality responses which contributes to a balanced mind and a balanced personality?

I’m not willing to say that everyone has the motive to deceive, but some certainly do. I think if someone is self-deceived they have no choice but to teach deception. It’s the blind leading the blind thing. The biggest hurdle is convincing someone they’re self-deceived. So far, I haven’t found a reliable way to do that. Posting quotes is a waste of time. Lengthy explanations of quotes proves to make things more tangled up. The more you do, the worse it gets. But, then there’s that quote which tells us to be invigorated by the presence of difficulties and to exercise faith in the challenge of the inexplicable. So we carry on! It’s a nasty job, but someone has to do it . . . so they say.

Bradly wrote: VA/nod seems most amused with himself….or deliriously deluded regarding how to carry on conversation….or remain on point. He is the most unresponsive if prolific of posters…..and just to be clear….not funny.

Yeah, there’s one example. I think someone called it inanity. It’s a defense mechanism. Every time he gets caught in a misinformation snag, he resorts to a peculiar form of humor, hoping to get you off the scent. I think, at it’s core, it is cowardly and it doesn’t work. You’re right, it’s not funny. It’s sad. But I do have quite a collection of Van/nodisms now which do give me quite a chuckle, especially after drinking a glass of wine.

Bradly wrote: Weird…..I had just replied to toto at TA this morning and came back here to read your suggestion Bonita….I mean within 60 seconds!!

Good thing you’re devoted to service Bradly. I was really hoping someone with accurate information would help that person. You found some of the quotes I was looking for and gave up on. Great job, thanks.

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