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another mind thing

143 posts · 7 participants · started Oct 9, 2016, 9:13 PM

Van AmadonParticipant
Oct 13, 2016, 4:53 PM

Bonita wrote:

Our work is to allow him to do his work of uplifting within our lives.

110:2:5

You as a personal creature have mind and will. The Adjuster as a prepersonal creature has premind and prewill. If you so fully conform to the Adjuster’s mind that you see eye to eye, then your minds become one, and you receive the reinforcement of the Adjuster’s mind. Subsequently, if your will orders and enforces the execution of the decisions of this new or combined mind, the Adjuster’s prepersonal will attains to personality expression through your decision, and as far as that particular project is concerned, you and the Adjuster are one. Your mind has attained to divinity attunement, and the Adjuster’s will has achieved personality expression.

The uplift is you (us).
BonitaParticipant
Oct 13, 2016, 8:55 PM

VanAmadon wrote: The uplift is you (us).

Don’t include me in your upside down thinking Van/nod. Speak for yourself. I am not the Spirit of Truth. I think you mean to say that we are co-uplifters, associates, and that the Spirit of Truth is the Uplifter. Uplifting requires spirit gravity. The Adjuster is about personality gravity. Both are necessary.

One of the things you are missing in quote 110:2.5 is the part about the “combined mind”. That’s another “co-” word. There is an excellent quote in TUB which describes in detail how the process of Adjuster reinforcement described in 110:2.5 works. There are definite steps to the process and one of those steps involves the Spirit of Truth. The Spirit of Truth is the Uplifter, the one who is responsible for creating that “combined mind” by connecting the human with the divine. He is the living vine which connects the two.

p1112:3 101:6.7 Revelation teaches mortal man that, to start such a magnificent and intriguing adventure through space by means of the progression of time, he should begin by the organization of knowledge into idea-decisions; next, mandate wisdom to labor unremittingly at its noble task of transforming self-possessed ideas into increasingly practical but nonetheless supernal ideals, even those concepts which are so reasonable as ideas and so logical as ideals that the Adjuster dares so to combine and spiritize them as to render them available for such association in the finite mind as will constitute them the actual human complement thus made ready for the action of the Truth Spirit of the Sons, the time-space manifestations of Paradise truth—universal truth. The co-ordination of idea-decisions, logical ideals, and divine truth constitutes the possession of a righteous character, the prerequisite for mortal admission to the ever-expanding and increasingly spiritual realities of the morontia worlds.

The Adjuster combines and spiritizes those idea-decisions which have made it to the soul via the spirit of wisdom. Then, the Spirit of Truth gets those spiritized ideas ready for action. Without the Spirit of Truth, there is no spirit uplifting. Remember that he is the vine, without being connected to that vine, there is no uplifting, there is no spirit drawing power. Here is another excellent quote describing the uplifting process:

108:5.8 In executing those decisions which deliver you from the fetters of fear, you literally supply the psychic fulcrum on which the Adjuster may subsequently apply a spiritual lever of uplifting and advancing illumination.

It is clear in this quote that we are not doing the uplifting. The Adjuster applies the uplifting lever and then the Spirit of Truth actually uplifts into an actionable potential. All we do is present the psychic, or mental ideas we’ve discovered, recognized and interpreted. That’s all we can do. We, you and the rest of us, do not do the actual uplifting.

196:3.10 Concerning insight, the recognition of moral values and the discernment of spiritual meanings, all that the human mind can do is to discover, recognize, interpret, and choose.
BradlyParticipant
Oct 13, 2016, 10:35 PM
Great discussion!!

I think mind-bravery has several elements and all of them relate to our personal position related to reality – which includes our time unit perspective, our faith in God’s paternal nature and love, and our experiential wisdom…in some combination. Courage is best when it arises from confidence in ultimate outcomes and their eventuations by God’s process and it is most noble when our convictions and courage require us to face choices which may not be in our own best material and/or short term interests – this requires significant progress in transferring the seat of our identity IMO. The ideal carries the day and not the personally “practical”. Commitment to reality recognition/response and to ideals rather than that which serves self. It is the courage to align our will with God’s regardless of the momentary, temporal, or material results.

This also goes to becoming comfortable, even eager, in the midst of confusions and uncertainties, and in the face of disappointment and failure. Mind bravery comes down to that faith which determines responses rather than any confidence in our decisions and the results of our decisions and our ability to determine outcomes of our decisions I think. We must be brave to trust….even God. Experience by such faith should only reinforce and ennoble the mind to choose and respond according to this standard of trust…absolute trust in our source and our destiny should give us those enlightened convictions which overcome all doubts and fears and uncertainties. Wisdom, of course, is more a function of experience with our mistakes of attitude, expectation, strategy, tactic, priority, etc. One may be brave and still be mistaken in our choices and decisions after all. The more experiential wisdom applied to our courage, the better the result!

143:1:7
“Today, the unbelievers may taunt you with preaching a gospel of nonresistance and with living lives of nonviolence, but you are the first volunteers of a long line of sincere believers in the gospel of this kingdom who will astonish all mankind by their heroic devotion to these teachings. No armies of the world have ever displayed more courage and bravery than will be portrayed by you and your loyal successors who shall go forth to all the world proclaiming the good news — the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of men. The courage of the flesh is the lowest form of bravery. Mind bravery is a higher type of human courage, but the highest and supreme is uncompromising loyalty to the enlightened convictions of profound spiritual realities. And such courage constitutes the heroism of the God-knowing man. And you are all God-knowing men; you are in very truth the personal associates of the Son of Man.”

"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
BonitaParticipant
Oct 13, 2016, 11:06 PM

Bradly wrote:

One may be brave and still be mistaken in our choices and decisions after all.

Truly awesome observation Bradly! Yes, of course mind ministry gives us great leniency for thought error. We are supposed to make mistakes. After all, we are the ones responsible for experience, experience in all its myriad colors. We’re not expected to hit perfection with our first arrow. Holy Cow! and thank God for the latitude given us in making decisions. Of course not all of them will hit the mark. That is the way it’s supposed to be. And how wonderful it is knowing that. This is the reason why original sin cannot be true. Original error is true, but hurray for that! We start out on the fringe of reality and work our way toward perfection with every bead of sweat born of confusion over what decision to make, what moral choice is best, what is it the true will of God. Thank you for the struggle God, thank you for the opportunity to make mistakes and learn, thank you for being the wonderful parent you are. Thank you for giving us an Uplifter, one who directs the loving contact between all persons and things such that they resonate within the spiritual gravity circuit which ever draws us home.
Van AmadonParticipant
Oct 13, 2016, 11:46 PM

Bonita wrote:

We, you and the rest of us, do not do the actual uplifting.

So what you are saying is what I see some others say a lot on these forums, that we, you and the rest of us don’t really need to do much. We just need to be what we are and everything else is taken care of. It’s God’s world and he will do the lifting. It really doesn’t matter if, where or when we do anything, because we’ll all get there some day. That’s fine.

The uplift I’m referring to however, has to do with what will happen when more instead of less actually achieve the attainable, being eye to eye with God. That way, what is seen will be what God sees with his eyes and enable us to participate in the gravity of what will empower us; his will.

And that’s happening right now with more and more of us everyday. In fact, it might not be long before somebody actually reaches the switch, and turns on the Light.

“Urantia is now quivering on the very brink of one of its most amazing and enthralling epochs of social readjustment, moral quickening, and spiritual enlightenment.”
nelsongParticipant
Oct 14, 2016, 12:37 AM
As a disabled vet, the low level guttural bravery thing still haunts me – also I’m a zealot at heart, nationalist these days.

cant seem to get past it even though I read and reread how Jesus responded to Simon.

cant really find a meaningful response to the mind bravery question other than going back to the self mastery idea. a move away from the lowest level is a good goal for me and I know if it happened it would have an uplifting effect on some folks I know.
Van AmadonParticipant
Oct 14, 2016, 1:06 AM

nelsong wrote:

if it happened it would have an uplifting effect on some folks I know.

And also on some folks you don’t know.
GeneParticipant
Oct 14, 2016, 4:33 AM

nelsong wrote:

Sorry

here is not place for personal baggage
BonitaParticipant
Oct 14, 2016, 10:36 AM

VanAmadon wrote: So what you are saying is what I see some others say a lot on these forums, that we, you and the rest of us don’t really need to do much. We just need to be what we are and everything else is taken care of. It’s God’s world and he will do the lifting. It really doesn’t matter if, where or when we do anything, because we’ll all get there some day. That’s fine.

I think perhaps you’ve missed a few posts if that’s what you think. What part of discover, recognize, interpret and choose requires sitting back on our duffs and letting Big Daddy do all the work with no effort on our part at all? Even so, let’s say, just for giggles, that discovery, recognition, interpretation and choosing are really easy things to do, which they would be if you follow Jesus, because his yoke is easy and his burden light. But, let’s just say you sit comfortably in one of the “isms” and never challenge your moral conscience, just coast along and do no extra credit work at all. That would also work because faith alone is all God requires of us in our current life. He knows that his will does not uniformly prevail in the human heart in one short lifetime. Don’t forget the covenant made between Melchizedek and Abraham which was: God agrees to do everything; man merely agrees to believe and follow his instructions.

93:6.4 This covenant of Melchizedek with Abraham represents the great Urantian agreement between divinity and humanity whereby God agrees to do everything; man only agrees to believe God’s promises and follow his instructions. Heretofore it had been believed that salvation could be secured only by works — sacrifices and offerings; now, Melchizedek again brought to Urantia the good news that salvation, favor with God, is to be had by faith. But this gospel of simple faith in God was too advanced; the Semitic tribesmen subsequently preferred to go back to the older sacrifices and atonement for sin by the shedding of blood.

12:7.7 The will of God does not uniformly prevail in the heart of the God-seeking material mortal, but if the time frame is enlarged beyond the moment to embrace the whole of the first life, then does God’s will become increasingly discernible in the spirit fruits which are borne in the lives of the spirit-led children of God. And then, if human life is further enlarged to include the morontia experience, the divine will is observed to shine brighter and brighter in the spiritualizing acts of those creatures of time who have begun to taste the divine delights of experiencing the relationship of the personality of man with the personality of the Universal Father.

So yeah, God is really the Doer, and we agree to follow. We are associates, co-doers. But wait! You must think that’s crazy too. God does everything and we’re simply associates, just tag-along-yes-men? People who believe in original sin think this is crazy stuff. Are you one of them? Is it too advanced for you to think that God doesn’t expect you to carry out his will in one short life? Why would a loving Father expect perfection overnight? Why wouldn’t he hold your hand and take you along and show you the way while you’re learning? All you have to do is hold onto his hand, walk, look, think, ask questions and stay focused. It’s a relationship. And, that’s about all the meager human mind is capable of, to be honest: discover, recognize, interpret and choose, all in a loving, faith-driven, personal relationship with God. God does all the rest. And thank you for that God. Thank you, ’cause I would mess it up otherwise.
BonitaParticipant
Oct 14, 2016, 11:16 AM

VanAmadon wrote:

The uplift I’m referring to however, has to do with what will happen when more instead of less actually achieve the attainable, being eye to eye with God.

Worry about yourself Van/nod, and stop worrying about the rest of us being eye to eye with God. Are you there yet? Are you seeing eye to eye with God today and everyday? If not, then focus on that.

VanAmadon wrote:That way, what is seen will be what God sees with his eyes and enable us to participate in the gravity of what will empower us; his will.

I’m sorry, that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. God has a different and unique plan for each personality. Even in a perfect world, not everyone will see reality the same way. Here’s the other thing, spiritual gravity does not empower us. It pulls us; it draws us. But first you have to have something worth being pulled. First you discover spiritual value, recognize it for what it is, interpret it according to your personality and life, use it by choosing it which makes a potential value an actual reality, then bingo! It gets swooped up in the spirit gravity circuit and pulls you closer to Paradise. Gravity does not empower. Where did you get that idea? Our goal is to become more responsive to spiritual gravity, which means you have to find (discover) things that it will attract and recognize that attraction, figure out how to utilize it and do it. (BTW, that takes work, effort, focus, concentration, faith . . . no coach potato stuff there.)

It’s the indwelling Spirit who empowers by spiritizing idea-decisions which have been discovered by the human mind and recognized for their potential value by utilizing the ministry of the spirits of worship and wisdom (gateway to the soul). This allows those idea-decisions to be sent to the soul where they are spiritized (empowered) by the Adjuster, interpreted or us individually by the Spirit of Truth and made available for action, choosing by the personality. The personality is where the power is, and when the personality chooses to act on those true, beautiful and good gems glistening with spiritual power in the soul (soul power), it gives birth to God’s fruit, fruit of spiritually magnetic value which resonates in the Supreme. That’s power-personality synthesis. Are we empowered by that? No, not really. The action is ours, but the consequences are God’s. The real work was his, we are merely associates in the process. We agree to follow his instructions, to use the glistening gems in the soul made ready for co-creation. And it is the loving relationship of partnership that fills us with joy and fulfillment, the deep down happiness that comes from being a partner with God.

So, it’s really about doing your own psychic circle work, organizing your own idea-decisions, expending your own energy on discovery, recognition, interpretation and choice. Don’t worry about what other people are doing or how to save the planet with team work. Just work on your own relationship with God and the Spirit of Truth, your own spiritual team, produce his fruit and be a shining example of how its done. It will catch on like the divine virus of love that it is. But even if the entire population of the planet should wake up tomorrow as first circlers, everyone in close contact with their Adjusters, this place would still not be perfect. Civilization must evolve like everything else and evolution is slow. There still would be squabbles and frictions to be worked out. Paradise is still a long way off.
BradlyParticipant
Oct 14, 2016, 4:58 PM
VanAmadon wrote: So what you are saying is what I see some others say a lot on these forums, that we, you and the rest of us don’t really need to do much. We just need to be what we are and everything else is taken care of. It’s God’s world and he will do the lifting. It really doesn’t matter if, where or when we do anything, because we’ll all get there some day. That’s fine.

I am very confused by this statement/claim which I have often heard and even been personally accused of….it really makes no sense. What student of the UB could possibly come to believe such? I haven’t heard a single student voice anywhere at any time at any forum, study group, conference, or social media site ever claim that no one needs do nothing to grow in the spirit and make circle progress.

There are two distinct issues which such a claim must surely intertwine falsely: the first is survival of mortal death and the second is fusion – when ascension and eternal life begins. Any student of the UB certainly must know this distinction!! And any student that becomes well read is personally challenged to become transformed within and to transcend from tadpole to fusion and on to finaliter status. No one in the universes does nothing and neither can a tadpole become a frog by doing nothing. We make our progress by our choosing and our doing and we are obligated, by the teachings in the UB, to cooperate and respond and grow – to both BE and DO according to our understanding and our wisdom and to become more today than yesterday and more tomorrow than today BY the choosing and doing. We are born as curious adventurers seeking that which we do not yet know or have not yet done. We are wired this way.

Procrastination, idleness, self indulgence, escape from conflict, denial of reality, indifference, and all such avoidance of reality cannot bring transformation, circle progress, or fusion. What UB student is indifferent to eternal life? There is no eternal life without fusion we are taught. To know of soul and believe its importance, requires a very pro-active awareness and response to life – today and every day.

True religion – that personal experience of God and with God – is an expression. Faith is a verb requiring expression in choice and by deed. Such faith does not obligate us to act, it compels us and nurtures us and inspires us and leads us. The UB is hardly more than a door-stop unless and until this fact and truth of living is discovered within its pages and within our hearts.

It is never okay or enough to simply “be what we are”…who has ever said this? We are to be transformed and such transformation is not a one time event…and it takes courage, attention, focus, effort, consequences to error, wisdom gained by experience, and more and more and more decisions. True sincerity and love of and faith in God requires a personal response and does so every day. The pursuit of truth, beauty, and goodness results in change so “what we are” changes as a tadpole goes slowly, step by step, from all tail and gills to all legs and lungs. We must live loyally to our ideals and in universe reality as tadpoles. A tadpole who eventually turns into frog must live and act and be and do as tadpole or frogdom/fusion will never come. Or so I see it.

"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
BradlyParticipant
Oct 14, 2016, 5:25 PM
“It’s God’s world and he will do the lifting.”

I have also heard this accusation many times as a result of a student’s confidence in the reality that Urantia will also make it to Light and Life by progressing through the mortal epochs by the Rule of the Most Highs. This is a falsehood as well.

What student of the UB and God believer might think that we are to be indifferent to fear, anger, hate, dishonesty, deceit, violence, or any vice which we may encounter? It is true however that sufficient faith in God’s purpose, plan, power, and love should reduce all anxieties and fears and angers of our own! It is also true that such faith and the love response to God’s love and will should result in better citizenship, better families, better communities, better nations, and a better world by living a faith/love led life.

Who among us, and especially UB students, can be indifferent to the suffering of others….all others? A curious thing to say.

"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
BonitaParticipant
Oct 14, 2016, 7:58 PM

Bradly wrote: To know of soul and believe its importance, requires a very pro-active awareness and response to life – today and every day.

You betcha Bradly! Jesus wasn’t just pro-active, he was actually aggressive when it came to facing life’s situations. Aggressively positive and courageous living takes a great, great deal of effort.

159:5.9 Jesus required his followers to react positively and aggressively to every life situation. The turning of the other cheek, or whatever act that may typify, demands initiative, necessitates vigorous, active, and courageous expression of the believer’s personality.

194:3.4 If religion is an opiate to the people, it is not the religion of Jesus. On the cross he refused to drink the deadening drug, and his spirit, poured out upon all flesh, is a mighty world influence which leads man upward and urges him onward. The spiritual forward urge is the most powerful driving force present in this world; the truth-learning believer is the one progressive and aggressive soul on earth.
BradlyParticipant
Oct 14, 2016, 9:57 PM
To further illustrate the differences in survival of mortal death (not yet the beginning of eternal life) and fusion (the beginning of eternal life), let us consider hurdles.

To escape this life, we are told that a mere flicker of faith/hope/love will suffice – a hurdle about 12 inches high; indeed one might merely trip over it and land on Mansion World 1.

To fuse? Well, we will need a pole to vault that 20 feet high bar. In between the minor hurdle of soul birth and the major hurdle of TA fusion, we must jump many, many hurdles of 7 distinct heights/levels.

No true believer or UB student is satisfied with the infant’s hurdle or the pre-school hurdle or the elementary hurdles for we understand that we are preparing for the BIG ONE! We must learn to run and jump and fly and be conditioned to do so. Decisions, decisions, decisions….practice, practice, practice….fail, fail, fail….succeed, succeed, succeed….grow, grow, grow. And when we are prepared properly, we will jump that fusion hurdle with the same ease as we stepped over the very first one.

Those who constantly worry about what others do or do not or should do or not appear to have a very peculiar anxiety which is transferred to all others which merely demonstrates their own very personal doubts and uncertainties about God’s power, purpose, plan, and love for his children. It is an odd thing to “share” – the doubt one has of their own value and destiny. Even more odd is how such a voice carries the accusation/claim that others are not doing something they should be doing, delivering such an indictment without offering the treatment or solution to the perceived/insinuated/claimed faults in others.

It would be good to remember how important each creature of free will is primarily because of our uniqueness from one another. God does not want ONE experience, or one wisdom, or one set of beliefs or any uniformity in choice….except for the source of our choices – love. Love is the very nature and order of the universe. Love does not require nor dictate any specific choices or tasks. Love is celebrated by its effects upon us all…each unique form of tempered and honed free will being, from the fires, hammer, and anvil of experience are never uniform or duplicated. All free will choices by all making free will choices among the trillion of trillions of free will beings deliver a symphony of unique expressions that are the result of God’s plan, purpose, and power.

The UB is a joyful book!! It should inspire all to aspire to greatness and the eternal adventure. It should eliminate anxieties and fears of our existence and our destiny. It should thrill the mind to discover the facts and truths so eloquently presented. It should relieve us of any sense of obligation to save others from hell and, rather, to share the good news that God loves us and has provided a place for us, his family, and all we must do is love him and one another….in our own wonderful, unique, and personal way!

nod, eh? Well that explains much. You are one who has accused me and others of this falsehood before. You hope to bring your anxieties here too? You are certainly welcome to. I would advise caution in inserting accusations into your questions and comments. The question for you (and each of us) is what are YOU doing that you should not be and what are YOU not doing that you should be doing. Such questions keep me very busy with my own circle progress….it’s that beam thing again, you know.

"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
Van AmadonParticipant
Oct 14, 2016, 10:48 PM
Boo!

Lighten up Brad. You too Bonita.

There might be several teams in the league but all are working to achieve the same goal. Don’t tell me a little variety is too much for you.
AnonymousInactive
Oct 15, 2016, 12:11 AM

Bradly wrote:

nod, eh? Well that explains much. You are one who has accused me and others of this falsehood before. You hope to bring your anxieties here too? You are certainly welcome to. I would advise caution in inserting accusations into your questions and comments. The question for you (and each of us) is what are YOU doing that you should not be and what are YOU not doing that you should be doing. Such questions keep me very busy with my own circle progress….it’s that beam thing again, you know.

Bradly, who are you talking to here? Are you bringing your troubles from another forum into this one?

Then you ask, a question redirected to all of us, which seems a little odd specifically after your recital, partial noted as: “Love does not require nor dictate any specific choices or tasks. Love is celebrated by its effects upon us all…”

From some of your writing here, which by the way has changed in its style, you present that we should love one another, etc., but as I read some of your narrations, I get the distinct impression that you are not practicing what you seem to be preaching? Why do I get that impression? Can you define what your definition is of “love” as you are using it without presenting UB narration?
BonitaParticipant
Oct 15, 2016, 9:54 AM

Bradly wrote: Even more odd is how such a voice carries the accusation/claim that others are not doing something they should be doing, delivering such an indictment without offering the treatment or solution to the perceived/insinuated/claimed faults in others.

Isn’t that what churches do? I would think that someone who is trying to corral people toward a pet cause is a person trying to trump up business for his/her church, someone trying to create a religious group based on his/her particular ideas of what religious living “should” be. If there’s one thing I can’t tolerate, it’s churchifcation of the revelation.

The issue under discussion is whether or not God is the Uplifter or whether Van/nod is an uplifter. I go with God over Van/nod. I don’t know what Van/nod thinks he’s uplifting, but it’s not working for me, sorry. Maybe over at truthbook it’s different, don’t know. That is sort of a attaboy club, so churchification might fly there.

Has anyone here come up with a different explanation of why Jesus said that when he is lifted up he will draw all believers to him? He wasn’t talking about the ascension. He was talking about being lifted up within each human heart and soul. He has the uplifting power, all we have to do is discover his presence within us, recognize him and hold on. He has promised that his yoke is easy and his burden light, but that does not mean there is no effort to holding on. It means the joy outweighs the difficulties involved. And Jesus also promised there would be disappointments and problems along the way, but not to worry because he IS the way. Now I just don’t find that sort of comfort in the idea that Van/nod is an uplifter, and I certainly wouldn’t consider myself capable of being a source of spiritual gravity or the WAY to God the Father. Talk about the blind leading the blind . . . geesh. Either you’ve found the Uplifter in your soul, or you haven’t. If you haven’t, you can be sure he’s looking for you. And if you’re all wrapped up in your own uplifting powers, you’ll be too distracted to notice.

So no, I will not lighten up for poppycock. Wherever I find it, I passionately attempt to expose it, shed light on it and help others see it for what it is . . . upside down thinking. It’s not that the thinking itself is wrong, it’s the direction of the thinking that is wrong. If you think you’re an uplifter, then you obviously think you’re something special which points you in the direction of spiritual pride, self-centeredness, conceit and eventual isolation of personality . . . all bad stuff. And it’s a seriously slippery slope. So no . . . I don’t care how much booing and whining poppycock purveyors do, I will not lighten up. I will expose, uncover, unveil and reveal the sneaky little falsehoods that can derail even well intentioned souls. And all the crying about having the right to think differently is also a bunch of tommyrot. Think as differently as you like, just keep your compass calibrated and expect me to point out when you’ve failed to do so. If you don’t like that, there’s always truthbook. I’ll never go there, I promise. I only go there to read and to keep the Pepto-Bismol company in business.
AnonymousInactive
Oct 15, 2016, 2:31 PM

Bonita wrote:

So no, I will not lighten up for poppycock. Wherever I find it, I passionately attempt to expose it, shed light on it and help others see it for what it is . . . upside down thinking. It’s not that the thinking itself is wrong, it’s the direction of the thinking that is wrong. If you think you’re an uplifter, then you obviously think you’re something special which points you in the direction of spiritual pride, self-centeredness, conceit and eventual isolation of personality . . . all bad stuff. And it’s a seriously slippery slope. So no . . . I don’t care how much booing and whining poppycock purveyors do, I will not lighten up. I will expose, uncover, unveil and reveal the sneaky little falsehoods that can derail even well intentioned souls. And all the crying about having the right to think differently is also a bunch of tommyrot. Think as differently as you like, just keep your compass calibrated and expect me to point out when you’ve failed to do so. If you don’t like that, there’s always truthbook. I’ll never go there, I promise. I only go there to read and to keep the Pepto-Bismol company in business.

Based on the narration above, and how it has been presented, would it not seem that in its presentation, and wording indicate the writer is attempting to “uplift” others to their own way of thinking? Does, not having the ability to “think differently”, also apply to having “free will”, bestowed upon us by Our Father, which makes us all different personalities, one from another? Therefore, those who use this “free will” against another way of thinking, only acknowledge their own view of themselves, like looking in a mirror and seeing an opposite reflection of themselves, where it would seem that they will never really know their-self, thereby really never being able to know others? Could one then assume, that those who bully others, because they appear to be or think differently, from the bullies own point of view, to be a reflection of their own different thinking, or own inabilities as seen in others?
Van AmadonParticipant
Oct 15, 2016, 2:51 PM

YOU ARE THE UPLIFT!

All those who want to play ball that is, instead of sitting the bench with the Major League Rule Book in their face.

It looks real funny to be in the dugout with the team uniform on, reading the fine print of the rules of the game like a lawyer, over and over again, instead of playing in the game of the ages.

Try not to cut off your nose to spite your face Bonita while obsessing on the percieved poppycock of others. Weren’t you thanking God for not being perfect?

“Be you perfect, even as I am perfect”
BonitaParticipant
Oct 15, 2016, 3:44 PM

VanAmadon wrote: YOU ARE THE UPLIFT!

That sounds eerily like the Lucifer Manifesto to me. The “Van/nodifer Manifesto” appears to advocate personal liberty and unbridled self-determination with no mention at all of the Father or his Son. That stinks. No spiritual fragrance there.

There is no uplift without spirit partnership. The Spirit does the lifting, the individual agrees to be a part of the experience. Van/nod consistently omits any mention of Spirit. He only mentions “you” and “us”, meaning mortals. Therefore, his Manifesto appears to be about humans trying to uplift the world all on their own, that’s poppycock. We know that because so many have already tried that and made a mess.

I think redefining Van/nod’s declaration to say, “When we co-create with the Creator we participate in the Creator’s work of uplifting. In that way are partners in uplifting.”

Any uplift you do on your own VAN is called humanism or the kingdom of good. When we work with the Spirit of Truth and learn to do God’s will with his help, we are participating in the kingdom of God, which is uplifting to all.

AND SCREAMING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN DOESN’T MAKE IT ANY TRUER.

And personal attacks are not uplifting, Van/nod. Which kinda proves my point, doesn’t it?

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