47 posts · 8 participants · started Sep 6, 2017, 12:09 AM
Forum member Bradly is harassing me. I asked him to stop but sadly he continues. I am requesting that you intervene. This is ridiculous. I left the board a couple years ago because of Bradly and Bonita’s bullying and harassing. However, I decided to give the board another try so I came back in hopes things changed. This time I must admit, Bonita has not harassed me. But Bradly continues and has gotten worse with it. I flagged one of his posts.
Regards.
BB
Hi BB – As a fellow student, here to learn and discuss, I see Bradly’s feedback simply as an attempt to point out where your assumptions are inconsistent with statements in the papers. Your threads tend to begin with a mis-reading or misunderstanding of some phrase, after which you more or less vigorously persist in defending your misunderstanding.
just my perspective — Nigel
Hi BB,
Thank you for your message. The moderators will respond as soon as possible. M2
Hi BB, Thank you for your message. The moderators will respond as soon as possible. M2
BB
Hi BB – As a fellow student, here to learn and discuss, I see Bradly’s feedback simply as an attempt to point out where your assumptions are inconsistent with statements in the papers. Your threads tend to begin with a mis-reading or misunderstanding of some phrase, after which you more or less vigorously persist in defending your misunderstanding. just my perspective — Nigel
BB
I’m sorry but I have to agree with BB, where Bradly’s apparent non-apology as he put it seemed sincere yesterday, but after reading this complaint from BB, I now know where it came from and why Bradly made it. Therefore, even in his statement he mentions that his attitude although admittedly bad would probably not stay for any length of time, where now it seems that Bonita is attempting to follow in his footsteps although just being obnoxious to anything that I happen to say. But, that seems to be par for the coarse on this forum, however many of the other UB forums are just as bad. I was removed from another site because I refused to swear an allegiance to Michael as my God, where Bradly, under another name, was a participant. I had enjoyed presenting contradiction which would spawn more detailed discussion to study TUB, but it seems apparent that the UB has produced people who have no idea of what Jesus’ teachings was all about, for the fruits that I see being produced, are spoiled. It has made me think that the problem that TUB will produce in the future will be worse then anyone could possibly think. I will take a look from time to time, in order to get a chuckle but for the most part I’m done with this Forum and actually also done with the Urantia-Association because, personally I truly think that by allowing this kind of conduct is synonymous to the thinking of their whole organization. I’m done here, and I know that there will be many who will be jumping up and down after reading this, like a bunch of children. Heaven help all of you, because the worst is yet to come.
Hi Midi – your misunderstandings about Lanonandeks, Adjusters and the First Source & Center make it seem as if you have not actually read the Urantia papers. If so, this would help to explain your apparent confusion on so many issues we discuss on these forums.
Nigel
Hi Midi – your misunderstandings about Lanonandeks, Adjusters and the First Source & Center make it seem as if you have not actually read the Urantia papers. If so, this would help to explain your apparent confusion on so many issues we discuss on these forums. Nigel
And this is the type of attitude I refer too. It would seem apparent that Nigel Nunn, by responding here, on a support thread, directed to to the Moderators of this site, defends those who have shown bad form, the arrogance which reflects back to the Urantia Association. Where free-will to present alternate opinion is met with closed minds, in that if you are not with me, you are against me, or in this case TUB. To indicate that I have not read the Urantia Papers, indicates that any viewpoint that I may have, or anyone may have, which may not go along the same as the minority status quo who seem to bully anyone’s opinion, goes against the teachings of Jesus, and the love of the Heavenly Father of all. The fact that the UB proclamation that we are all the sons of god, would indicate that this proclamation feeds to promote anti-brotherhood and that god is a respecter of only an elect few. There have been a few individuals who have signed on this forum and presented subject matter that may have been less in line with the status quo, and have, as is evident in their retroactive posts, saying that they will no longer contribute because of the responses received here. They were bullied out of the forum, and no one in authority on this forum or in the Association, seems to care of how these people are being treated, as low level animals, where this reflects back to the general attitude of the Association.
I have participated in many Conferences presented by or through the Association, in order to get to know the general population who support TUB, even attending several study groups presented by those Conferences, where the instructors have set an agenda and when an attendant presents a question that may not follow along that agenda, they are told that they are wrong in their thinking, and then told how they should be thinking as the instructor proposes; In essence, to brainwash interested persons from their personal way of thinking, which seems synonymous to building a cult of followers, who will not deviate from an individualized understanding, and is not what can be found in TUB.
Besides the fact that you are entitled to your opinion Nigel, who’s to say that you are not the one who is confused?
An interesting situation….thanks Nigel for support of my intentions and objectives, if not my tactics and style!! 
First let me say I regret being the cause for the mods consideration of BB’s complaint. I will certainly abide, most willingly, with your judgement in the matter (not personal judgement but determination of the greater good for the greater number here as you think best for this ‘fold’ of fellow students). Be it public/group rebuke, censorship, time-out, or “blocked”, I do not envy your responsibilities and understand the gravity of them here and I know that the patterns of heaven in such administrative and arbitrational disputes depends on experiential group wisdom. For me, it shall be as you say it is to be.
BB’s complaint is not without merit. As I have posted, I believe BB is personally wrestling, at a point of study and appreciation of the Revelation, with the impossibility of its claims for itself. I empathize. I certainly reached such a point of study myself and think most students – both those who come to embrace the Papers as epochal revelation AND those who ultimately dismiss and abandon it – reach if they persist long enough in its study. I have known BB for about 5 years, first posting on TruthBook as “kahanya”, and found him to be a most sincere student with excellent questions and penetrating perception. More recently, posting as brooklyn_born, he seems eager to discover and present conflicts and contradictions he perceives in text and unwilling to accept correction or disagreement by any party who posts text contradictory to his perceived contradictions – or simply points out the ‘solution’ to his quandary within the very text BB posted himself.
I called BB a “Wanna Be Debunker” recently (the post CC cited with “Inappropriate Content”). I cannot disagree. Impatience, immaturity, and frustration was expressed by me….and indeed it was and is inappropriate. A review of the topic originated by BB at this link might provide a useful illustration to BB’s state of mind and perception regarding his very real quest for contradiction (there are several other recent examples in multiple topics):
https://urassoc.arko.nyc/forums/topic/problematic-revelation-on-celestial-guardians/
As to Midichlorian who posted at TruthBook as ‘Caligastia’ – has a long and prolific posting history which speaks for itself, as he says above: “I had enjoyed presenting contradiction…” (although he never has succeeded in this specific objective, he is relentless in his attempts to do so). By his own public posts over many years, is dissatisfied with suffering and its explanations for it in the Papers. He appears angry with God or with the failure of those called to create, rule, and administer Creation. Quite understandable. Another common phase of religious and philosophical growth. Midi suffers and has suffered and that suffering is very real. He also sees and deeply empathizes with the suffering of others…and seeks answers for ‘why’. A noble concern!
However….his answers for this are articulated as diametrical contradictions to the Revelation’s contents…and its total and integrated message of the reality of a friendly universe where the sanctity of free will offers both true and false liberty, each with very different repercussions.
My personal belief is that within in the context of any study group of sincere students of the Papers that contradictions to the text should not go unnoticed or without objection. I have found both BB and Midi to be very stimulating for personal reflection, research in the text, and development of articulation skills when disagreement, debate, and conflict comes into play. This is why I have never asked a mod to censor or remove another student…even if I think them (the student) to be insincere or with ulterior motives in their posts.
I think the student body is threatened in some ways by those who seek to discredit the Revelation and its students (and /Midi/Cali frequently slanders all other sincere students as stupid and weak minded – it is not merely personally directed at me). See the posts above:
“… it seems apparent that the UB has produced people who have no idea of what Jesus’ teachings was all about, for the fruits that I see being produced, are spoiled. It has made me think that the problem that TUB will produce in the future will be worse then anyone could possibly think. I will take a look from time to time, in order to get a chuckle…”
“And this is the type of attitude I refer too. It would seem apparent that Nigel Nunn, by responding here, on a support thread, directed to to the Moderators of this site, defends those who have shown bad form, the arrogance which reflects back to the Urantia Association.”
“They were bullied out of the forum, and no one in authority on this forum or in the Association, seems to care of how these people are being treated, as low level animals, where this reflects back to the general attitude of the Association.”
“In essence, to brainwash interested persons from their personal way of thinking, which seems synonymous to building a cult of followers, who will not deviate from an individualized understanding…”
And yet….the readership will come under far greater attack, more ferocious and more public and more subtle and more skillful, in the days ahead. If mods and organizations merely shut out and temporarily silence such voices, this may very well be an unwise and too early a form of defense. We need to grow antibodies and immune response systems within the movement based on experience in coping, surviving, and overcoming these viral agents who arrive often in sheep’s clothing seeking to discredit, disrupt, derail, and if possible destroy study groups and organizations…and the movement itself.
There are real enemies to the truth…any truth they do not believe. The UB student body and movement must learn to stand up to these agents of the enemies of Truth. And there are many.
I don’t believe BB or Midi are such. I find them bewildered and in search of true understanding for their own personal growth in the Spirit. While I may disagree with their strategies and expressions regarding the Revelation and the study of its contents – I do not believe they actively engage in disputes, disagreements, debates, or even the passionate pursuit of so-called “contradictions” for the purpose of de-railing study of the Revelation or the movement. I empathize with them both while I often do allow my frustrations and impatience to override anything resembling the Master’s superb example of how to respond to and deal with those who deliver frustration and impatience. How many times did he inquire…”How long must I put up with this and you?”
None of the above is a reason or excuse for personal attacks or petty behavior on my or anyone’s part. I must say, our fellow student and masterful scholar Bonita has demonstrated an amazing transformation in her own maturation and has given me both pause and sage advice for my further growth and maturity.
I sometimes think there is a need for what might be described as Truth Warriors – those unafraid to engage falsehood, deception, and agendas of disruption. And I think newer students and more timid (or is it wise?) souls are silenced and not well served by either the disrupters or the clumsy responders (like me) to those who distort, misrepresent, misstate, and falsify the Papers. Quite a quandary indeed! Others give a far more effective and wiser example than I do…but I learn thereby and thank God for them!
Thanks for this ‘fold’ of students and believers and all you as hosts and mods do to provide this place of study and socialization. And thanks for hearing me out. I have erred and I will err again I’m sure in some or many of my posts. It is the tadpole way. But I do learn and look forward to your determinations and guidance. Thanks to all who attend and especially those who post and most especially to those who are unafraid to oppose falsehood.
And you friend Nigel….the very first to welcome me here…and TruthBook….and UBRON…you and Rick W. (who advised me to put my ‘big boy pants’ on and tighten my chin strap to enter the “biker bar on the internet highway” known as UBRON…haha…good advice indeed!) are the truest of friends and champions of the Revelation. God bless you….and thanks a million!
Bradly aka fanofVan!
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
And thanks for hearing me out.
. . . and thank you, Bradly, for explaining to forum readers where you are, regarding this issue!
171:7.1 Jesus spread good cheer everywhere he went. He was full of grace and truth. His associates never ceased to wonder at the gracious words that proceeded out of his mouth. You can cultivate gracefulness, but graciousness is the aroma of friendliness which emanates from a love-saturated soul.
2:7.6 Divine truth is best known by its spiritual flavor.
I rest my case, where the following comes from a person, admittedly who works as an executive, in the administration of the Urantia Association, therefore speaks for the the Urantia Association.
Thank you in advance for the following comments from the Administration of the Urantia Association.
An interesting situation….thanks Nigel for support of my intentions and objectives, if not my tactics and style!!
Based on BB’s assertion above that Bonita and I were responsible for…”I left the board a couple years ago because of Bradly and Bonita’s bullying and harassing.”, I went back to BB’s last topics from a couple of years ago to remind me of that which I did not recall, my or Bonita’s bullying and harassing BB….ever. I cannot find any evidence of such cause or complaint regarding his decision to leave us for a season of nearly 2.5 years. Indeed, I found just the opposite.
So I look forward to those historical records which might lend credibility to his claim above. Indeed, the last 3-6 topics started by BB (pages 10-12 in General Discussion topics) were quite interesting and BB seemed pleased with both Bonita and myself and many other posters here for the discussion and references to the UB. Some did get contentious…but with one who has been blocked here 2 times (emanny, Sabinatu – the same person who changed identities within the same discussion and one who has posted as loucol, Manny, JohnnyBones, and now as toto – the Ankle Biter I call him – who has been kicked off and blocked at TB at least 5 times in 5 years) and with Midi….but not between Bonita or I and BB. The link below goes to an interesting and lengthy (and often contentious) discussion as a good example of the relationships back then.
https://urassoc.arko.nyc/forums/topic/did-the-midwayers-narrate-church-history-as-war-in-heaven/
You will notice BB’s intensity to understand the UB’s contents and a variety of interesting topics he began in his quest for truth and fact in the contents of the UB. Something, over time, seems to have turned BB’s attention less toward understanding and discussion and more toward perceived, contrived, and hoped for contradictions in the UB. Don’t know what happened or is happening now….but Bonita and I stand wrongly accused by BB’s claim of being driven off by our brutality!!
Something’s amiss here. 
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
I rest my case, where the following comes from a person, admittedly who works as an executive, in the administration of the Urantia Association, therefore speaks for the the Urantia Association.
A common and frequent accusation of yours Midi….with the standard reply….I was a forumite long before a volunteer in service to the Association. And I speak for no other person, group of persons, or organization. But your slanderous opinion of both me and the Association is a common theme of yours as noted above.
For me….sometimes the insults from some quarters rise to the best of all compliments. Thank you.
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
Hahahahhaha….who’d of thought a most appropriate complaint by BB might itself turn into such a Donnybrook??? What a hoot!
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
Well, these spats seem to break out from time to time. Get over it!
Something’s amiss here.
That’s for sure Bradly, from your most resent victim: (I have removed or distorted the members name, to not focus on her.)
Bradley wrote: “I’m getting the distinct impression that Rxxxxxxx was being disingenuous with this statement and that she doesn’t feel confused at all (although, in truth, confusion is exactly what is happening); rather, posted this thread with the specific intent of convincing others that her memories of past lives are explained in TUB.—- Bradly”
“You do not know me, you do not know anything about me, yet you somehow presume to know what my motivations are. Perhaps my virtual silence throughout this thread has spoken wrongly to you. First, before I continue, I would like to clue you in as to a little bit about me. I am 43 years old. I am a Registered Nurse, graduating with highest honors in the BSN program. I taught pre-health sciences at a local university. I published my first novel in 2013, and when I get time, I will complete the second. I have one daughter, who is 12. Now for the not so mundane…. Addison’s is only one of a slew of autoimmune diseases I have been blessed with, making it difficult to function much of the time due to extremely low blood pressure and a severe case of depression (probably related to the combo of Addison’s, Hashimoto’s, vitiligo, psoriasis, pernicious anemia, and whatever other gland or organ my immune system has decided to destroy since my last dr. visit). In addition to failing health, some recent blessings have been the following….. I lost my beautiful sister in a car accident the same day my mother was diagnosed with bilateral breast cancer, my husband suffers from the severest case of ulcerative colitis any of his doctors have ever seen (Dr’s from several university hospitals included) and I care for him, my daughter is showing strong signs she is following in my footsteps respecting depression and skin autoimmunities. I do not even have to go into the day to day, everybody-has-it problems of what it takes to earn the privilege of merely breathing on this earth. (All this preface later relevant).
Addison’s, for those who don’t know, results when the immune system has destroyed the adrenals….. what comes from adrenals? Adrenaline. Meaning stress hormones. The tiny chemical messengers that help the body handle physical and mental stress. So now I will address your last response with this in mind….. I do not deal well with stress, and I tend to be knocked off balance easily. (Also, I forgot to tell you, I feel I am a genuine person, always have been, it’s how I was raised, and it really bothers me…. with or without adrenaline….. when someone who knows nothing about me presumes my intentions). Needless to say (so why say it, right?), I take extreme offense at your comment. I am not and have never been one to shadily or sneakily manipulate others with ulterior intentions. I love the fact that you even took the time to utilize the italic button to show just exactly how serious you are in getting across to others that I had the “specific intent” to convince others that my PAST LIFE memories were explained in the UB.
Firstly, you clearly did not read my posts thoroughly. If you had, you would see that I said I DO NOT HAVE PAST LIFE MEMORIES, BUT MEMORIES FROM PRE-BIRTH IN THIS LIFE. Said another way… MEMORIES OF HAPPENINGS BEFORE I WAS BORN HERE….happenings NOT ON EARTH, so how could they be past life memories? Memories that would lead me to believe I was preparing to come here, TRAVELING to come to the “place where we could be born.” And I use quotes because this is the way I would describe it after I could talk and tell family members. The times I would ponder these memories could only have been at age 3 or less (this I know because other details related to these ponderings happened in a house we moved out of when I was 3 years old).
Secondly, my memories were an afterthought, Bradly. I don’t know what mistrustful operations you must have going on inside yourself, but I can tell you my motivation was focused solely on the desire to understand the Urantia Book’s content on reincarnation….NOT my own–and NOT to “convince” others of anything whatsoever regarding my experiences– but in general. I said I would appreciate discussion on the subject, and I have very much up until this point. If it is not permissible to bring some self to a conversation here, please, I wish I had been informed. Just my nurse’s training kicking in here… you know, when you make personal connections with a patient or nurse trainee (i.e. “student”) in order to establish, maintain, or strengthen a trust relationship because both of you are committed to the teaching/learning of a specific task or theory.
You do know that in the essay I posted by Dean White, that was not my own ponderings throughout, right? I am just trying to figure out why you came to the conclusion about me that you did. And why on earth you would choose to actually include it in a post. What positive outcome could that possibly have? Doesn’t matter and I won’t be around to find out. One thing I have learned is to weed out stresses.
It is good to see such a tight bond with people of a study as I see here. But in the future, as one teacher to another, please don’t offend your students unless you know what you are talking about. It used to take a good deal to get to me; in fact, even though I have always been a raw nerve, 5 years ago I would have laughed at this dig. But with all I have on top of me at this point in time (and yes, I know EVERYONE has stress and sick relatives, family deaths, illnesses, and other “crosses to bear,” believe me, I pray for them daily), I feel like I am perched at the end of the plank in a stormy sea with a razor sharp axe hanging right above my head on a weakened thread. Ready to fall, the both of us. As a result, I have noticed, things go right through me to the core and twist. (Well okay, not “things,” but baseless accusations.)
The other question I posed, by the way, about armageddon/antichrist, etc. That was for a friend. No interest of mine. I told him what a success this site has been with people so willing to offer knowledge and opinions, NONJUDGMENTALLY, and he asked me if I would pose that question to see the discussion on it. I will now unsubscribe, unenlist, and return to another urantia group I have found, and I will not ask any questions until I have taken the time to read all about it. See, I can learn!!! Apparently just didn’t follow the rules here. Okay, now I’m getting ridiculous. Wishing all of you a future full of happiness and love. Good day!
Darn it, right when I was feeling thankful for you guys……”
Another false accusation Midi/Cali!! As the links below will show, the statement – “Bradley wrote: “I’m getting the distinct impression that Rxxxxxxx was being disingenuous with this statement and that she doesn’t feel confused at all (although, in truth, confusion is exactly what is happening); rather, posted this thread with the specific intent of convincing others that her memories of past lives are explained in TUB.—- Bradly” – is not mine at all but by another poster entirely. R’s response was to me mistakenly, her presuming it was my post – it was not!
https://urassoc.arko.nyc/forums/topic/reincarnation/page/6/#post-26312
Here’s the link to MY post, quoting the original:
https://urassoc.arko.nyc/forums/topic/reincarnation/page/7/#post-26322
And here’s R’s response in her mistaken belief that it was my post (it was not):
https://urassoc.arko.nyc/forums/topic/reincarnation/page/7/#post-26330
And here is the original poster’s correction to R’s mistake:
https://urassoc.arko.nyc/forums/topic/reincarnation/page/8/#post-26337
Here is my post expressing great distress over the misunderstanding and supporting R’s topic and participation:
https://urassoc.arko.nyc/forums/topic/reincarnation/page/8/#post-26344
Finally, here’s a post worthy of consideration by the mods here, including a review of all your historical hatreds, accusations, and personal attacks….in addition to all your falsehoods regarding the UB:
https://urassoc.arko.nyc/forums/topic/reincarnation/page/8/#post-26345
Thanks again for the clear evidence of your perspective, your motives, and your agenda here among this body of students. It seems this topic started by BB’s legitimate complaint has revealed another source of consideration and ‘mod’eration here! This most recent slander of yours is an outright lie…and obviously so!
Laughing out loud….please do continue….
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
Another false accusation Midi/Cali!! As the links below will show, the statement – “Bradley wrote: “I’m getting the distinct impression that Rxxxxxxx was being disingenuous with this statement and that she doesn’t feel confused at all (although, in truth, confusion is exactly what is happening); rather, posted this thread with the specific intent of convincing others that her memories of past lives are explained in TUB.—- Bradly” – is not mine at all but by another poster entirely. R’s response was to me mistakenly, her presuming it was my post – it was not!
It makes little difference who made the post, that member associated it to you, where if one actually looks at the entire topic, she would not have associated it to you, had you not stood out as an associated contributor to context. Even after the correction was made by the actual contributor, there was no further response by the victim, she was finished here.
The main point is that very few new members who come to this forum, stay for any length of time especially when they present contrary questions and reply for what ever reason. Unless they stay with the minority status quo, they are pressured to leave, even if not through your word-smithing, where you say that you are bad for what you may say and then stick in the knife, and go for the final kill, or so I think and read.
Again, it would seem that the moderators do not read these posts, and only act when someone makes a complaint, as they say the squeaky wheel gets the most grease, but even then the cause is never addressed, and as I said this shows the attitude of the Urantia Association to allow it to continue.
. . . Bonita has demonstrated an amazing transformation in her own maturation . . .
Naw, ’tain’t so. What you have mistakenly identified as maturation is actually a profound disinterest in anything that doesn’t make sense.
Another false accusation Midi/Cali!! As the links below will show, the statement – “Bradley wrote: “I’m getting the distinct impression that Rxxxxxxx was being disingenuous with this statement and that she doesn’t feel confused at all (although, in truth, confusion is exactly what is happening); rather, posted this thread with the specific intent of convincing others that her memories of past lives are explained in TUB.—- Bradly” – is not mine at all but by another poster entirely. R’s response was to me mistakenly, her presuming it was my post – it was not!
It makes little difference who made the post, that member associated it to you, where if one actually looks at the entire topic, she would not have associated it to you, had you not stood out as an associated contributor to context. Even after the correction was made by the actual contributor, there was no further response by the victim, she was finished here. The main point is that very few new members who come to this forum, stay for any length of time especially when they present contrary questions and reply for what ever reason. Unless they stay with the minority status quo, they are pressured to leave, even if not through your word-smithing, where you say that you are bad for what you may say and then stick in the knife, and go for the final kill, or so I think and read. Again, it would seem that the moderators do not read these posts, and only act when someone makes a complaint, as they say the squeaky wheel gets the most grease, but even then the cause is never addressed, and as I said this shows the attitude of the Urantia Association to allow it to continue.
Midi…I shall not say anything further in this matter except thank you for clearly expressing your opinions regarding the Association, the Forum moderators, and those students who post here. A clear example of the perspective and attitude many here have endured for many years.
While BB’s complaint is specific and accurate (I do dispute the broader claim related to 2+ years ago), yours is quite another kettle of fish, as they say, and provides the mods here with an exceptionally difficult issue for their consideration. It is best if that be left to them. Best wishes to all parties involved.
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
