106 posts · 6 participants · started Mar 9, 2016, 12:19 PM
And note a crucial detail, I did NOT say you were a sophist, rather that your argument was sophistry.
One who delivers sophistry is a sophist. I am offended.
They would not remove anyone unless God approved, no?
No. But I’m not going to explain it again. I think I’m done here.
Well, then I must apologize. I would rather do that, and concede the point, than to offend one I consider a friend and a sister. Sorry Sis.
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Richard E Warren
Apology accepted Rick. But there’s no need to cede, that would be wrong. If you don’t get what I’m talking about, you don’t get it. There’s nothing I can do about it though. I’ve used up all my sophistry for today. But when you are so moved, I beg you to consider the difference between the personal and impersonal aspects of God. The law of God is impersonal. The personality of God is not involved in carrying out universe laws, even though he created them. The law of God is a Trinity thing, administered, interpreted and applied by a group. Anyway, I am done with this topic. It’s irritating me too much. Time to move on.
12:7.1 There is operative throughout all time and space and with regard to all reality of whatever nature an inexorable and impersonal law which is equivalent to the function of a cosmic providence. Mercy characterizes God’s attitude of love for the individual; impartiality motivates God’s attitude toward the total. The will of God does not necessarily prevail in the part — the heart of any one personality — but his will does actually rule the whole, the universe of universes.
10:6.1 All law takes origin in the First Source and Center; he is law. The administration of spiritual law inheres in the Second Source and Center. The revelation of law, the promulgation and interpretation of the divine statutes, is the function of the Third Source and Center. The application of law, justice, falls within the province of the Paradise Trinity and is carried out by certain Sons of the Trinity.
Thank you.
Richard E Warren
sophistry – 1. a subtle, tricky, superficially plausible, but generally fallacious method of reasoning. 2. false argument; sophism.
It is most unfortunate that any should claim any level of insincerity in Bonita’s presentations of her understanding of the Papers. One may disagree with a position that is sincerely proffered, especially where the text lacks specificity and clarity amidst the many mysteries that even the authors have uncertainties with…and there are many such. Hoping for warm hearts and cool heads here.
The word “executed” has been used here in fact in a false and misleading way IMO – execution of sentence or sentence executed is not a beheading, or execution of a person. The text is clear on one thing – annihilation is what one does to oneself – it is self extinction. There is nothing and no one to salvage or save at the end of such self erasure and self chosen irrelevancy – the sentence is self imposed.
Evidently some find this process to lack mercy or love or goodness….but the greater good for the greatest number determines much in the universe of universes I think. Shadows have no substance and offer no light to any other. When there is no love and there is no light then there is no “life”….the light is self extinguished by free will and not by any other means or method.
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
Thanks Bradly. I can always count on you to make sense of things. My head is cooling. I don’t mean to make a bigger issue out of this than has already been made, but why . . . . I really want to know why . . . why doesn’t the TUB community go after real sophistry, like inventing a whole new type of Deity such as the Spirit of Fact, a Deity that doesn’t even exist in TUB? Just sayin’.
Well, I guess I better shut up lest my inbox gets flooded with mail from Moderator 2 again. I have to say that it’s a sore spot. I should let it heal and forget about it. I definitely forgive, but have a lot of trouble forgetting painful things. Maybe I should just grow scales or something. I don’t know, but my buttons have been pushed and I have to wait for the steam to cool. Time is a gift.
Anyway, I’ll say it one more time just to be irritating, ’cause that’s what I seem to do best. God the Father does not personally sign off on the execution of any of his creatures. If the Creator Son doesn’t sit in judgment on any of his creatures, then God the Father doesn’t either. The Creator Son is a revelation of the personality of the Father, they are one.
p372:06 The Master Son, Michael, is supremely concerned with but three things: creation, sustenance, and ministry. He does not personally participate in the judicial work of the universe. Creators never sit in judgment on their creatures; that is the exclusive function of creatures of high training and actual creature experience.
32:3.6 Literally and figuratively, spiritually and personally, the Father and the Sons are one. It is a fact: He who has seen a Creator Son has seen the Father.
You’re Welcome!!!!
I think some of the greatest lessons learned by me on the discussion forums is self management and control of emotion – self mastery! And another is my well earned humility as tadpole. Discussions and debates fail most when one feels compelled to be “right” or “persuasive” I have found. Or when a personal agenda lies behind discussion or when a poster lacks sincerity in their intent to share and learn as student and student teacher. When another is sincere in their views, opinions, and perspective, then they are sharing in a way that only a caring response is appropriate….regardless of agreement or its lack. In such a way, goodness is found in such unity without the need for any uniformity.
Differences are a most important ingredient to the Supreme and a rich personal experience, and only by such differences may we learn from one another….truth may be found by all at the intersection of disagreement and confusion and uncertainty. There is much to be uncertain about in this book of fact and truth as our understanding increases by our experience and wisdom. The goodness of time and fraternity!!
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
