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The Kingdom of Heaven

255 posts · 11 participants · started May 9, 2017, 12:04 PM

  1. MidiChlorian wrote:  Just curious, are you indicating that prior to “baptism” Jesus was only “a human being” and after, He became something else?  Where, if this is so, then it might appear that anything said by Him prior to “baptism” was not with “full knowledge”, and possibly in error?  Just nitpicking, but that’s how it seems to comes across.

    Check out this quote:

    136:2.3 Ordinarily, when a mortal of the realm attains such high levels of personality perfection, there occur those preliminary phenomena of spiritual elevation which terminate in eventual fusion of the matured soul of the mortal with its associated divine Adjuster. And such a change was apparently due to take place in the personality experience of Jesus of Nazareth on that very day when he went down into the Jordan with his two brothers to be baptized by John. This ceremony was the final act of his purely human life on Urantia, and many superhuman observers expected to witness the fusion of the Adjuster with its indwelt mind, but they were all destined to suffer disappointment. Something new and even greater occurred. As John laid his hands upon Jesus to baptize him, the indwelling Adjuster took final leave of the perfected human soul of Joshua ben Joseph. And in a few moments this divine entity returned from Divinington as a Personalized Adjuster and chief of his kind throughout the entire local universe of Nebadon. Thus did Jesus observe his own former divine spirit descending on its return to him in personalized form. And he heard this same spirit of Paradise origin now speak, saying, “This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased.” And John, with Jesus’ two brothers, also heard these words. John’s disciples, standing by the water’s edge, did not hear these words, neither did they see the apparition of the Personalized Adjuster. Only the eyes of Jesus beheld the Personalized Adjuster.

    136:2.4 When the returned and now exalted Personalized Adjuster had thus spoken, all was silence. And while the four of them tarried in the water, Jesus, looking up to the near-by Adjuster, prayed: “My Father who reigns in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come! Your will be done on earth, even as it is in heaven.” When he had prayed, the “heavens were opened,” and the Son of Man saw the vision, presented by the now Personalized Adjuster, of himself as a Son of God as he was before he came to earth in the likeness of mortal flesh, and as he would be when the incarnated life should be finished. This heavenly vision was seen only by Jesus.

    136:3.2 After his baptism he entered upon the forty days of adjusting himself to the changed relationships of the world and the universe occasioned by the personalization of his Adjuster.

    Everything changed in the entire local universe after Jesus’ baptism.   He was always a dual origin being, but his knowledge of his spiritual origin was limited to his Thought Adjuster indwelling the soul that he and the Adjuster c0-created.  After the Adjuster left and became personalized, Jesus was given full knowledge of his pre-existence as a Creator Son of a universe.

    What was said by Jesus prior to his baptism was not in error because it was in alignment with his Adjuster.  He was able to complete all seven psychic circles and reach perfect attunement with God’s will.  But that does not mean that prior to baptism he had full knowledge of everything that had happened to him and his universe over the previous trillions of years.  That happened after his Adjuster was personalized and gave him the full complement of his knowledge.  Prior to Jesus’ baptism, the Adjuster was in possession of the full complement of knowledge which he passed on to him after baptism.  Normally when humans fuse they gain some portion of the Adjuster’s knowledge.  In Jesus’ case, he did not fuse, so the full compliment of knowledge was given to him all at once.  That should make sense since I said the same thing several different ways.

     

  2. Thanks Bonita!  I agree with the excitement of knowing that the human Jesus traversed all 7 Circles of Progress and that his personal, human faith experience delivered absolute peace of mind and confidence in the God’s friendly universe…even here and even then on Urantia!  Superb!  Sublime.

    21:3.24 (239.6) In settling the question of sovereignty in a local universe, the Creator Son is not only demonstrating his own fitness to rule but is also revealing the nature and portraying the sevenfold attitude of the Paradise Deities. The finite understanding and creature appreciation of the Father’s primacy is concerned in the adventure of a Creator Son when he condescends to take upon himself the form and experiences of his creatures. These primary Paradise Sons are the real revealers of the Father’s loving nature and beneficent authority, the same Father who, in association with the Son and the Spirit, is the universal head of all power, personality, and government throughout all the universal realms.

    ;-)

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  3. Midi…won’t say the above is wordy….but illogical, nearly incomprehensible gobblygook – yes indeed. Alternate universes? Where pixies and trolls frolic in the infliction of pain and suffering in some Hades of sin and violence? Grotesque thinking. Sub-creations and sub-creators?

    On the contrary Bradly, I believe that what you have presented is true to your belief, and is your right to believe so. However, you present that you know what I believe, without asking me, therefore what you say can only be assumed as your opinion, and where everyone has an opinion, it does not mean that they are correct.  That’s okay too, as long as you follow what you mention below:

    Jesus taught that when we, unfortunately, encounter unfriendliness that we are not to turn the other cheek but wisely demonstrate friendliness …. the confident friendliness of a cosmic citizen who understands these things.

    Assuming that you think me as “unfriendly” then I still await the “friendliness”, however if you imply that the “confident friendliness of a cosmic citizen” is the only way that we can prove the friendliness of the universe, or ourselves or, to what until we die, how does this help those who live in this worlds reality today, or cosmic citizenship of tomorrow?  Is not death an alternate reality, or alternate place in the universe?

    I believe that you are sincere as to what you say but, why is it that everyone must believe as you do, in order to receive friendship?  I point out those things which I find difficult to believe because I have experience things which show me that not everything is good, but could be if we only attempt to see all viewpoints from multiple realities, as others see or live it.

     

  4. Midi…believe what you will.  I tell no one what to believe and never have….ever.  We study a book which speaks plainly and clearly for itself on these matters.  It matters not to me if you agree or believe that text….but you may not come here to misstate, misrepresent, twist, and torment the Papers….not gonna happen.  There are no “multiple realities” Midi…just one….with a few gazillion perspectives of it.  Thus, the gift of the factual reality of the universe!  Nothing could be more irrelevant than my beliefs Midi.  We do not study or discuss my beliefs but the teachings of the 5th Epochal Revelation….or a book with which you have demonstrated profound disagreement.

    In your mind and world there may be sub-creations and sub-creators and alternate universes that are not friendly places…so be it.  I do not think you unfriendly but you have certainly acted less than friendly on oh so many occasions and topics, it does take some self management sometimes….a good thing to learn for me….thanks for that.  But not the point.  It ain’t personal…it’s a matter of philosophy and perspective.  And I have turned many a cheek to you Caligastia.

    Death is not an alternate reality or place – no, Midi….

    Perhaps it is time to post some text in support of all your “alternate” theories?

    You claim the universe is not friendly and yet the Papers clearly say otherwise.  You seem to push and support this dark philosophy with purpose and commitment….do you see this as helpful and a service to others?  Does the embrace of anxiety and doubt deliver succor to you or to those you love?  Why do you seek in the shadows for what is so well illuminated?  What’s up with that?

    :-(

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  5. Everything changed in the entire local universe after Jesus’ baptism. He was always a dual origin being, but his knowledge of his spiritual origin was limited to his Thought Adjuster indwelling the soul that he and the Adjuster c0-created. After the Adjuster left and became personalized, Jesus was given full knowledge of his pre-existence as a Creator Son of a universe.

    I can agree that things changed after Jesus’ baptism but exactly how or what was changed can be debated but not argued.  If the knowledge of “pre-existence” is necessary to acquire for full knowledge of the universe then my point still stands as to the value of knowledge presented prior to baptism.  So, if He had these conversations after baptism, how might they now be different?

  6. In regards to a friendly universe, don’t forget that only persons can be friendly or unfriendly.  When they say that the universe is friendly, they are talking about persons.  Yes there are physical things going on in the universe that are violent, that’s called physical evolution. Yes, animals can be violent, that is also part of evolution.  Yes, humans can be violent because they are evolved from animals and in the process of perfecting.  Evolution is not supposed to be unicorns and rainbows.  I’m sorry if that sends some people to the cocoa and crayon cocoon, but that’s the way it is.

    You have to accept the fact that the mind of the person who created the universe is friendly.  The mind of the person who created evolution is friendly. The purpose and goal of evolution is friendly.  The mortal mind has difficulty reconciling the the two divergent facts of a sometimes violent evolution with the presence of a loving and friendly God.  Just because the mortal mind cannot understand that the perfecting worlds and people of time and space can be violently evolving within the framework of a friendly universe doesn’t mean it isn’t so.  Even horrific violence can actually work out for the welfare and progress of all . . . given time.

    70:1.1 War is the natural state and heritage of evolving man; peace is the social yardstick measuring civilization’s advancement. Before the partial socialization of the advancing races man was exceedingly individualistic, extremely suspicious, and unbelievably quarrelsome. Violence is the law of nature, hostility the automatic reaction of the children of nature, while war is but these same activities carried on collectively. And wherever and whenever the fabric of civilization becomes stressed by the complications of society’s advancement, there is always an immediate and ruinous reversion to these early methods of violent adjustment of the irritations of human interassociations.

    10:7.5 The mortal mind can immediately think of a thousand and one things–catastrophic physical events, appalling accidents, horrific disasters, painful illnesses, and world-wide scourges–and ask whether such visitations are correlated in the unknown maneuvering of this probable functioning of the Supreme Being. Frankly, we do not know; we are not really sure. But we do observe that, as time passes, all these difficult and more or less mysterious situations always work out for the welfare and progress of the universes. It may be that the circumstances of existence and the inexplicable vicissitudes of living are all interwoven into a meaningful pattern of high value by the function of the Supreme and the overcontrol of the Trinity.

     

  7. Midi…believe what you will. I tell no one what to believe and never have….ever. We study a book which speaks plainly and clearly for itself on these matters. It matters not to me if you agree or believe that text….but you may not come here to misstate, misrepresent, twist, and torment the Papers….not gonna happen.

    Bradly, by your statement above, you have just told me that what I might believe, as you seem to interpret, and then imply that I cannot come hear, without incurring, what seems to be the wrath of Bradly; by telling me that I am wrong in what or how I think, then inflicting how I am wrong or how it is really is, as you see it, is by default, telling me what I must believe.  Or so I think?

  8. Why do people whine and cry about evil in the world?  Oh boo-hoo, where’s my violin?  Don’t they know that evil has a purpose and it’s actually a good thing?  It’s sin that’s not good.  And what’s this about alternate realities?  Sounds like an acid trip to me . . . not going there.  Sorry.

    MidiChlorian wrote:  So, if He had these conversations after baptism, how might they now be different?

    I said prior to baptism he had FAITH in a friendly universe. He spoke on FAITH.  He had no first-hand knowledge concerning the entire universe.  After baptism there was no need for faith about the friendliness of the universe.  His knowledge and understanding of the friendliness of the universe became an actual fact.  He was awakened to the full realization . . .   that he created it . . . that he’s the boss of it . . .   and because the dude is friendly, so’s his universe . . .  it is what he says it is. Period.  Should be pretty easy to understand . . . right?

  9. Bradly, by your statement above, you have just told me that what I might believe, as you seem to interpret, and then imply that I cannot come hear, without incurring, what seems to be the wrath of Bradly; by telling me that I am wrong in what or how I think, then inflicting how I am wrong or how it is really is, as you see it, is by default, telling me what I must believe.  Or so I think?

    No one is telling you what or how to think. What is this, some kind of mind-control medium?  I’m so tired of hearing that kind of whining.  It’s so counterproductive to conversation.  None of us are complaining that you are trying to tell us what and how to think, are we?  And we would have the same right to bellyache if you have it.  So speak your peace, give your opinion and stop complaining. If you are convinced you’re right about something it shouldn’t matter one hill of beans what anyone else thinks about it.  Be proud of your ideas if you’re convinced they’re right, but don’t get your knickers in a knot if no one buys it. It’s not wrath you’re butting up against, it’s reality.   We’re not supposed to see everything the same way and there’s no need for alternate realities.  Remember what Jesus said:

    141:5.1 You do not have to see alike or feel alike or even think alike in order spiritually to be alike.

  10. And what’s this about alternate realities?

    It’s all over the Urantia Book, when it presents “spirit” as a reality.  You have presented text that indicates beings which cannot be seen by humans or at least certain humans, etc.  This would be considered as being different from what most of us live in and think is a material reality.  Then we are told that there is a spirit reality which we may not be able to see, and hear, so how does this not indicate some other form of reality or, another reality?

    He was awakened to the full realization . . . that he created it . . . that he’s the boss of it . . . and because the dude is friendly, so’s his universe . . . it is what he says it is. Period. Should be pretty easy to understand . . . right?

    I agree that “He was awakened to the full realization . . .” where “realization” can be associated to “realities” as in spiritual and material, but His teachings after Baptism still refereed to Father being the Boss, and I agree that Jesus was friendly, but that doesn’t mean that the universe is friendly, otherwise why would He have said that He had enemies? And, based on the teachings of Jesus as presented in the UB, and other text, I attempt to follow those teachings, and that part is easy to understand — right.

  11. MidiChlorian wrote:I agree that Jesus was friendly, but that doesn’t mean that the universe is friendly, otherwise why would He have said that He had enemies?
    Those enemies are not the universe.  They existed within the universe, at least temporarily, but they were not the universe.  They were part of the evil we all have to deal with as evolutionary creatures living in the friendly universe . . .  you know, the universe teeming with help, ministry and aid . . . all super friendly.  That’s not hard to understand unless you can’t accept that two apparently divergent ideas can be true at the same time.  The revelators do admit that humans have difficulty accepting this.  Human mind wants God to be either this or that, but not this and that.
    MidiChlorian wrote: And, based on the teachings of Jesus as presented in the UB, and other text, I attempt to follow those teachings, and that part is easy to understand — right.

    Huh?

  12. Those enemies not the universe. They existed within the universe, at least temporarily, but they were not the universe. They were part of the evil we all have to deal with as evolutionary creatures living in the friendly universe . . . you know, the universe teeming with help, ministry and aid . . . all super friendly. That’s not hard to understand unless you can’t accept that two apparently divergent ideas can be true at the same time. The revelators do admit that humans have difficulty accepting this.

    I’ll give you some leeway on the universe in general, however one must assume that the universe is made up of various material planets, constellations etc., and I will agree that depending on how one defines spirit entities, that for the most part they are friendly.  However, the main issue that I have is with the overall attitude that those problem that are presently causing issues with this planet, are our problems to deal with and that only our association with the spirit from within can aid us in making positive changes.  The idea that we need do nothing, stick our heads in the sand, and wait for another life after death only causes additional problems.  In that if there is a specific conduct for survival and the same for non-survival and assuming that those who don’t survive and their patterns are absorbed by the Supreme, eventually the Supreme will be inherently become corrupted.  Therefore, we need to work on getting our problems fixed so that things can get better not worse.  As it is, there is no information in the UB which addresses terrorism as we know it and even if these terrorist are systematically removed, there will always be others to step in to take their place.  They use religion to manipulate and brainwash their recruits but have no religion, so turning the other cheek just get ones head lopped off.  Yes, there are other reasons why there are problems like this, where the poor get poorer and the rich get richer because many of the rich profit from the business of terrorism, and wars, so that it could be said that there is no justice but for those who can afford it.

    So, when someone wishes to draw attention to our human problems and how they might be resolved or helped by possibly using the Urantia Book as a guide, they are sanctioned for their concerns and told that there are no problems because this is a friendly universe.  Jesus came to show us a way, but did not stay around to help guide us more, but His teachings can help use now, here, and not somewhere else in the universe in another life.

    Some have ideas which do not always fall directly in line with the UB, but who in this universe said that we cannot talk about it, or even debate some of things which do not always apply directly with our present situations?  No, that cannot be done because of WHY?

    Many have talked about loyalty, but loyalty to whom, GOD?  Okay, is it not His wish for us to be loyal to our brothers and sisters who are in need, not to mention their children as well.  Far to many are calling for loyalty to God, and forsaking that mandate of brotherhood,  Terrorist are killing people because they say they are loyal to their god, and that they will have a direct route to paradise, so are they more in line with the loyalty as is preached by some here and based on what is written in the Urantia Book?  I think not? But, sometimes it sure seems that way when one cannot voice their opinion, without being told to go to hell.  Well as I see it, we live in hell, and there is no other way out then to change it to something else, like The Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.

  13. All very much to the point Midi. You have put a nice frame around the most important issues. Thank you. I’m going to look forward to a response from those whom you’ve addressed.

  14. ‘s diatribe requires such a lengthy response that I’ve decided to break it up into individual panels.

    MidiChlorian wrote:  The idea that we need do nothing, stick our heads in the sand, and wait for another life after death only causes additional problems.

    Is that what you think TUB is telling us to do?  As I recall, the hole-digger in the parable was the guy who lost out big time.  I can’t recall anything said in TUB that recommends waiting around for things to get better.  In fact, we’re told that procrastination is one of those “pet evils” we’re supposed to let go of.  TUB informs us that procrastination is an animal trait that must be eliminated, as is using time postponement as a means of reality avoidance. Problem avoidance is reality avoidance and it just doesn’t fly.  So, as far as I’m concerned, you’re complaining about something that doesn’t exist.

    48:5.8 One of the purposes of the morontia career is to effect the permanent eradication from the mortal survivors of such animal vestigial traits as procrastination, equivocation, insincerity, problem avoidance, unfairness, and ease seeking. The mansonia life early teaches the young morontia pupils that postponement is in no sense avoidance. After the life in the flesh, time is no longer available as a technique of dodging situations or of circumventing disagreeable obligations.

    166:3.4 “But herein is the danger to all who would postpone their entrance into the kingdom while they continue to pursue the pleasures of immaturity and indulge the satisfactions of selfishness: Having refused to enter the kingdom as a spiritual experience, they may subsequently seek entrance thereto when the glory of the better way becomes revealed in the age to come. And when, therefore, those who spurned the kingdom when I came in the likeness of humanity seek to find an entrance when it is revealed in the likeness of divinity, then will I say to all such selfish ones: I know not whence you are. You had your chance to prepare for this heavenly citizenship, but you refused all such proffers of mercy; you rejected all invitations to come while the door was open. Now, to you who have refused salvation, the door is shut. This door is not open to those who would enter the kingdom for selfish glory. Salvation is not for those who are unwilling to pay the price of wholehearted dedication to doing my Father’s will.

    If anything, TUB explains that reality avoidance is a form of magical thinking, a lazy man’s way to avoid effort.  Effort and work are the keywords to growth and progress, and progress is the watchword of the universe. We’re told that only slothful animals rebel against the effort and work of problem solving.

    4:1.2 Can you not advance in your concept of God’s dealing with man to that level where you recognize that the watchword of the universe is progress? Through long ages the human race has struggled to reach its present position. Throughout all these millenniums Providence has been working out the plan of progressive evolution. The two thoughts are not opposed in practice, only in man’s mistaken concepts. Divine providence is never arrayed in opposition to true human progress, either temporal or spiritual. Providence is always consistent with the unchanging and perfect nature of the supreme Lawmaker.

    100:4.2 Religious perplexities are inevitable; there can be no growth without psychic conflict and spiritual agitation. The organization of a philosophic standard of living entails considerable commotion in the philosophic realms of the mind. Loyalties are not exercised in behalf of the great, the good, the true, and the noble without a struggle. Effort is attendant upon clarification of spiritual vision and enhancement of cosmic insight. And the human intellect protests against being weaned from subsisting upon the nonspiritual energies of temporal existence. The slothful animal mind rebels at the effort required to wrestle with cosmic problem solving. 

     

     

  15. Therefore, we need to work on getting our problems fixed so that things can get better not worse. As it is, there is no information in the UB which addresses terrorism as we know it and even if these terrorist are systematically removed, there will always be others to step in to take their place. They use religion to manipulate and brainwash their recruits but have no religion, so turning the other cheek just get ones head lopped off. Yes, there are other reasons why there are problems like this, where the poor get poorer and the rich get richer because many of the rich profit from the business of terrorism, and wars, so that it could be said that there is no justice but for those who can afford it.

    So, when someone wishes to draw attention to our human problems and how they might be resolved or helped by possibly using the Urantia Book as a guide, they are sanctioned for their concerns and told that there are no problems because this is a friendly universe. Jesus came to show us a way, but did not stay around to help guide us more, but His teachings can help use now, here, and not somewhere else in the universe in another life.

    Midi,

    Anyone who looks to The Urantia Book for help with terrorism and other social dysfunctions is bound to be disappointed.  TUB is intended as a spiritual roadmap, not a solution to all our social, political and economic ills.

     

    167:5.6 (1839.3) It was very difficult for the apostles to understand the Master’s reluctance to make positive pronouncements relative to scientific, social, economic, and political problems. They did not fully realize that his earth mission was exclusively concerned with revelations of spiritual and religious truths.

  16. MidiChlorian wrote: In that if there is a specific conduct for survival and the same for non-survival and assuming that those who don’t survive and their patterns are absorbed by the Supreme, eventually the Supreme will be inherently become corrupted.

    The only thing absorbed by the Supreme is the personality (2:3.4).  Personality is non-corruptible.  Personality is a divine pattern directly from the Paradise Father.   Personality never changes, it therefore cannot be corrupted.  No matter what you do with your personality, the personality itself never becomes corrupted by it.   Personality remains unaltered regardless of what you decide to do with it.  Perhaps you’re thinking about character.  Character is not personality.  Character is something you grow with your personality. Character changes, but personality never changes.  Therefore, personality patterns absorbed by the Supreme are pure and uncorrupted just as they were when they arrived from the Paradise Father.

    112:01 And throughout all of these successive ages and stages of evolutionary growth, there is one part of you that remains absolutely unaltered, and that is personality – permanence in the presence of change.

    0:5.11   Personality. The personality of mortal man is neither body, mind, nor spirit; neither is it the soul. Personality is the one changeless reality in an otherwise ever-changing creature experience; and it unifies all other associated factors of individuality. The personality is the unique bestowal which the Universal Father makes upon the living and associated energies of matter, mind, and spirit, and which survives with the survival of the morontial soul.

    112:0.9 7. Personality is changeless in the presence of change.

    112:0.15 Personality may survive mortal death with identity in the surviving soul.  The Adjuster and the personality are changeless; the relationship between them (in the soul) is nothing but change, continuing evolution; and if this change or growth ceased, the soul would cease.

    140:4.7 “By their fruits you shall know them.” Personality is basically changeless; that which changes – grows – is the moral character.

    The Supreme cannot become corrupted.  That’s like saying God the Father can be corrupted.  The Supreme can only become time-delayed, but that is not a corruption, it is time allowed for compensational experience.

    117:4.2 But if a creature rejects the eternal career, that part of the Supreme which was dependent on this creature’s choice experiences inescapable delay, a deprivation which must be compensated by substitutional or collateral experience; as for the personality of the nonsurvivor, it is absorbed into the oversoul of creation, becoming a part of the Deity of the Supreme.

  17. MidiChlorian wrote:  However, the main issue that I have is with the overall attitude that those problem that are presently causing issues with this planet, are our problems to deal with and that only our association with the spirit from within can aid us in making positive changes.

    We all agree that the best way to solve problems is God’s way.  That would be God’s will, right?  How else do you discover God’s will except by associating with the Spirit within, as you say?  Where else are you planning to get this information from?  Anything you dream up on your own without God, is evil.  Oh, it may look good to you, but the kingdom of good is not the same as the kingdom of God, not even close.  One is man-made, man-directed humanism, the other is all about God’s way.  Which is better?

    It’s our responsibility to work on our problems and solve them in according to universe attunement.  How do we arrive at universe attunement?  Through Adjuster attunement.  The Adjusters are the hope for advancing civilization.  If we stop heeding our Adjusters, if they should suddenly leave, civilization will regress to primitive times.

    109:4.4   The indwelling Adjusters have in no small measure co-operated with other spiritual influences in transforming and humanizing the descendants of the primitive men of olden ages. If the Adjusters indwelling the minds of the inhabitants of Urantia were to be withdrawn, the world would slowly returnto many of the scenes and practices of the men of primitive times; the divine Monitors are one of the real potentials of advancing civilization.

    We are told that the only way to elevate the social stream is through spiritual idealism.  Where do we find spiritual idealism?  Ideals are values provided by the Adjuster.  They await as potentials in our souls.  Our purpose is to discover, recognize, interpret and choose them.  How do we do that?  By spiritual insight.  What is spiritual insight? It is God-consciousness.  Where is God that we can become conscious of him.  IN OUR HEADS!

    81.6.27  Ideals elevate the source of the social stream. And no stream will rise any higher than its source no matter what technique of pressure or directional control may be employed. The driving power of even the most material aspects of a cultural civilization is resident in the least material of society’s achievements. Intelligence may control the mechanism of civilization, wisdom may direct it, but spiritual idealism is the energy which really uplifts and advances human culture from one level of attainment to another.

    We’re also told that it is necessary to seek FIRST the realities of heaven when attempting to improve society.  How do we find the realities of heaven?  Where are they?  They’re with the Adjuster. The Adjuster is in possession of all those realities.  Gotta get to know God FIRST, then apply what you discovered from your relationship with him to the world’s problems. It’s God’s universe.  It’s God’s will.  It’s all about God FIRST.

    195:5.1 The twentieth century has brought new problems for Christianity and all other religions to solve. The higher a civilization climbs, the more necessitous becomes the duty to “seek first the realities of heaven” in all of man’s efforts to stabilize society and facilitate the solution of its material problems.

     

     

  18. MidiChlorian wrote: So, when someone wishes to draw attention to our human problems and how they might be resolved or helped by possibly using the Urantia Book as a guide, they are sanctioned for their concerns and told that there are no problems because this is a friendly universe.
    I have never read anything in TUB or on this forum stating there are no problems in the universe.  That is illogical.  Of course there are problems and TUB exhausts a lot of ink explaining what they are.  That does not change the fact that the universe is friendly.  Friends can have legitimate problems and solve them in friendly ways.  Problem solving is one of the things the universes of time and space are designed to accomplish.
    Don’t forget that God and the universe are not identical.  One is cause, the other effect.  God is perfect in every way.  The universes of time and space are perfecting . . . nowhere near perfect.  In fact, the universes of time and space will never be perfect; they will be perfected.  Big difference.  Perfected from what?  From all the problems of imperfection.
    Perfecting means problem solving.  There has to be problems, otherwise there’s nothing to do, no reason for experience. These are experiential worlds we live on, filled with problems. There are physical problems, administrative problems, mental problems and spiritual problems . . . all which need friendly solutions.  The Universe is organized and peopled by congenial, affable, affectionate and merciful ministries and ministers, which means that universe problems are solved in a congenial, affable, affectionate and merciful way.  It’s our job to learn how to approach our problems in the same way . . . rather than lopping off heads.  So, studying TUB is an excellent way to see how our superiors go about problem solving and then strive to apply those same principles to our own problems, large and small.  In the meantime the universe remains supportive (friendly) to all our efforts to arrive at the best solutions to all our problems.
    102:7.1 The universe and God are not identical; one is cause, the other effect. The cause is absolute, infinite, eternal, and changeless; the effect, time-space and transcendental but ever changing, always growing.
  19. MidiChlorian wrote:Jesus came to show us a way, but did not stay around to help guide us more, but His teachings can help use now, here, and not somewhere else in the universe in another life.
    I’m sorry, but that is a complete falsehood.  I’m not going to mince words about it.  You’re wrong!
    Jesus is still around to guide us. He never left, only his body left.  He sent his Spirit of Truth, the “new teacher,” to teach us individually.  Each person has one-on-one time with him, right now, this instant, to learn as much as they want.  And furthermore, the Spirit of Truth stays with each of us all the way through our ascension career.  So everything you said in that sentence is completely wrong according to TUB, not to mention personal experience.
    Perhaps you should reread Jesus’ actual words describing the Spirit of Truth?   The Alpheus twins had trouble understanding how they would recognize the Master when he was no longer a physical person, but a spirit.  Jesus explained it to them (who weren’t the brightest bulbs in the pack).  He said the new teacher would be just like he is in the flesh but without the body.  That means his personality and his character are available, right now, this very instant, for anyone to talk to.  He listens; he cares; he teaches; he guides the WAY; he IS the WAY; he loves; and above all else, he doesn’t abandon you until you are delivered to the Father on Paradise.  He is the WAY to Paradise.

    180:4.5 Jesus looked down upon them all, smiled, and said: “My little children, I am going away, going back to my Father. In a little while you will not see me as you do here, as flesh and blood. In a very short time I am going to send you my spirit, just like me except for this material body. This new teacher is the Spirit of Truth who will live with each one of you, in your hearts, and so will all the children of light be made one and be drawn toward one another. And in this very manner will my Father and I be able to live in the souls of each one of you and also in the hearts of all other men who love us and make that love real in their experiences by loving one another, even as I am now loving you.”

    117:5.9 While such spiritual influences as the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Truth are local universe ministrations, their guidance is not wholly confined to the geographic limitations of a given local creation. As the ascending mortal passes beyond the boundaries of his local universe of origin, he is not entirely deprived of the ministry of the Spirit of Truth which has so constantly taught and guided him through the philosophic mazes of the material and morontial worlds, in every crisis of ascension unfailingly directing the Paradise pilgrim, ever saying: “This is the way.” When you leave the domains of the local universe, through the ministry of the spirit of the emerging Supreme Being and through the provisions of superuniverse reflectivity, you will still be guided in your Paradise ascent by the comforting directive spirit of the Paradise bestowal Sons of God.

    7:7.4 The Father comes down to you as a personality only through the divine Sons of the Eternal Son. And you attain the Father by this same living way; you ascend to the Father by the guidance of this group of divine Sons. And this remains true notwithstanding that your very personality is a direct bestowal of the Universal Father.

    21:6.4 Just as the Deity of the Supreme is actualizing by virtue of experiential service, so are the Creator Sons achieving the personal realization of the Paradise-divinity potentials bound up in their unfathomable natures. When on Urantia, Christ Michael once said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life.” And we believe that in eternity the Michaels are literally destined to be “the way, the truth, and the life,” ever blazing the path for all universe personalities as it leads from supreme divinity through ultimate absonity to eternal deity finality.

  20. MidiChlorian wrote: Some have ideas which do not always fall directly in line with the UB, but who in this universe said that we cannot talk about it, or even debate some of things which do not always apply directly with our present situations?  No, that cannot be done because of WHY?
    Because this is a TUB forum, paid for and supported by people who want to study TUB.  Non-UB topics are best discussed elsewhere, including terrorism.  That doesn’t mean such discussions are not worthwhile, it means they have no business being discussed here.  Start your own forum maybe?
    And above else, stop whining. It’s tiresome.  Constant complaining that no one listens to you makes them want to listen less.

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