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The Kingdom of Heaven

255 posts · 11 participants · started May 9, 2017, 12:04 PM

  1. I agree the UB is filled with practical ideals for society and governance and patterns of universe reality and the Dalamatia and the Garden, etc.

    But to Keryn’s point, it is hard to apply the UB to any specific political and economic phenomena of our world I think.  Often times, the horrific failures and faults lead to epochal transformations in the collective response to such troubles.  Some are far too focused on opposition to certain things when it might be better to search out that which is worthy of support!!  There are many worthy causes for support which may lead to a better tomorrow for all….the greater good for the greatest number.

    I’ve also not found any particular recipe of issues OR solutions to problems….except on a personal level.  The focus on social issues comes with the need (evidently) to tell others what to think and what to do….collectively and socially.  Not the point of the Revelation at all.  Change one’s perspective of the world by changing one’s own religious experience and growing wisdom as expressed every day as we walk by…and find a few noble causes to support along the way!

    ;-)

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  2. I think TUB gives us direction rather than specific solutions to specific problems.  It wouldn’t be right to give us unearned information, but our celestial friends have definitely indicated what is progressive and what is regressive.

    For instance, in the intro to paper 70 we’re given three extremely useful pieces of information appropriate to our current situation:

    1. Peace is secured only by a social regulatory system.
    2. The regulatory system is a controlling authority, or government.
    3. Government evolves through law and order.
  3. Midi,
    Anyone who looks to The Urantia Book for help with terrorism and other social dysfunctions is bound to be disappointed. TUB is intended as a spiritual roadmap, not a solution to all our social, political and economic ills.

    Keryn, sorry for not responding earlier, however what you have indicated above may not be disappointing if one looks into TUB’s general information that it presents, there is cause to think some descriptions and definitions presented about other topics can be applied to things like terrorism.

    MidiChlorian wrote: Therefore, we need to work on getting our problems fixed so that things can get better not worse. As it is, there is no information in the UB which addresses terrorism as we know it and even if these terrorist are systematically removed, there will always be others to step in to take their place. [. . .]

    Although this is slightly off-topic, but I will attempt to illustrate using the following, where the word “terror” and some of its derivatives are mentioned in TUB, and the one area which may be associated could apply if one assumes that it is people who are the recipients of terror, and how they looked at it in the past, may help us see how history may have dealt with similar situations as described in TUB.

    One such topic could be how the authors of TUB presented “Ghost Fear”.  Where the terrorists of today can be associated with ghosts in that they are not always seen or noticed until an action has been created to cause that which we now fear.

    Socializing Influence of Ghost Fear

    (766.2) 68:3.1 Primitive desires produced the original society, but ghost fear held it together and imparted an extrahuman aspect to its existence. Common fear was physiological in origin: fear of physical pain, unsatisfied hunger, or some earthly calamity; but ghost fear was a new and sublime sort of terror.

    (766.3) 68:3.2 Probably the greatest single factor in the evolution of human society was the ghost dream. Although most dreams greatly perturbed the primitive mind, the ghost dream actually terrorized early men, driving these superstitious dreamers into each other’s arms in willing and earnest association for mutual protection against the vague and unseen imaginary dangers of the spirit world. The ghost dream was one of the earliest appearing differences between the animal and human types of mind. Animals do not visualize survival after death.

    (766.4) 68:3.3 Except for this ghost factor, all society was founded on fundamental needs and basic biologic urges. But ghost fear introduced a new factor in civilization, a fear which reaches out and away from the elemental needs of the individual, and which rises far above even the struggles to maintain the group. The dread of the departed spirits of the dead brought to light a new and amazing form of fear, an appalling and powerful terror, which contributed to whipping the loose social orders of early ages into the more thoroughly disciplined and better controlled primitive groups of ancient times. This senseless superstition, some of which still persists, prepared the minds of men, through superstitious fear of the unreal and the supernatural, for the later discovery of “the fear of the Lord which is the beginning of wisdom.” The baseless fears of evolution are designed to be supplanted by the awe for Deity inspired by revelation. The early cult of ghost fear became a powerful social bond, and ever since that far-distant day mankind has been striving more or less for the attainment of spirituality.

    Now there is more to this section but the narrations above, can be applied to how individuals are indoctrinated into a group, based on fear, or how there baser needs can be supplanted by a group which may desire to transform these needs to perform with ulterior motives.  Why is it so easy to enlist certain persons into a group that promotes terrorism?  What are these people lacking that they are attempting to fulfill in their lives with alternate experiences or doctrine? If we can identify this need or factor and supply a better alternative, which I’m sure is also described in TUB, then we may be able to change that persons attitude, and dry-up a radical groups supply of cannon fodder, because for the most part, the leaders of those groups are less likely to take on their own deceptions.

    If you are looking for something in TUB, you may find it under different sources of presented information.  There are other usages of the word “terror” in TUB which also can apply to terrorism, and in some cases how those who were terrorized overcame this or in some cases did not, whereby their outcome is noted.  An example might be found in the section where the following resides?

    (1070.5) 97:8.2 In order to understand how the devastating pressure and the inescapable coercion of secular history so terrorized the captive and alien-ruled Jews that they attempted the complete rewriting and recasting of their history, we should briefly survey the record of their perplexing national experience. It must be remembered that the Jews failed to evolve an adequate nontheologic philosophy of life. They struggled with their original and Egyptian concept of divine rewards for righteousness coupled with dire punishments for sin. The drama of Job was something of a protest against this erroneous philosophy. The frank pessimism of Ecclesiastes was a worldly wise reaction to these overoptimistic beliefs in Providence.

  4. Midi, Anyone who looks to The Urantia Book for help with terrorism and other social dysfunctions is bound to be disappointed. TUB is intended as a spiritual roadmap, not a solution to all our social, political and economic ills.

    Keryn, sorry for not responding earlier, however what you have indicated above may not be disappointing if one looks into TUB’s general information that it presents, there is cause to think some descriptions and definitions presented about other topics can be applied to things like terrorism.

    MidiChlorian wrote: Therefore, we need to work on getting our problems fixed so that things can get better not worse. As it is, there is no information in the UB which addresses terrorism as we know it and even if these terrorist are systematically removed, there will always be others to step in to take their place. [. . .]

    Although this is slightly off-topic, but I will attempt to illustrate using the following, where the word “terror” and some of its derivatives are mentioned in TUB, and the one area which may be associated could apply if one assumes that it is people who are the recipients of terror, and how they looked at it in the past, may help us see how history may have dealt with similar situations as described in TUB. One such topic could be how the authors of TUB presented “Ghost Fear”. Where the terrorists of today can be associated with ghosts in that they are not always seen or noticed until an action has been created to cause that which we now fear.

    Well, Midi, it would be helpful if you could make up your mind.  Does TUB address terrorism or doesn’t it?  In post #25843 you wrote:

    MidiChlorian wrote:

    As it is, there is no information in the UB which addresses terrorism as we know it[…]

    But yes, I agree with Bradley, above, that certainly TUB provides guidance as to the ideals of forming a society, a government, a set of morals/ ethics, etc.  but it does not provide specific solutions or address specific moral, economic, national security or health challenges we face in our mortal day to day existence.  We can certainly glean from TUB an overall framework and pattern of how to address our life challenges, no doubt!  And, of course, prayer is said to be a means by which we can attempt to obtain personal guidance and help with those issues that affect our ability to continue to grow, spiritually.

  5. Well, Midi, it would be helpful if you could make up your mind. Does TUB address terrorism or doesn’t it? In post #25843 you wrote:

    MidiChlorian wrote:
    As it is, there is no information in the UB which addresses terrorism as we know it[…]

    But yes, I agree with Bradley, above, that certainly TUB provides guidance as to the ideals of forming a society, a government, a set of morals/ ethics, etc. but it does not provide specific solutions or address specific moral, economic, national security or health challenges we face in our mortal day to day existence. We can certainly glean from TUB an overall framework and pattern of how to address our life challenges, no doubt! And, of course, prayer is said to be a means by which we can attempt to obtain personal guidance and help with those issues that affect our ability to continue to grow, spiritually.

    Currently the word “terrorism” is not listed in the UB and that is why I added “as we know it”.  As I mentioned there are other usages of the root word “terror” in the UB, where at last count there are 22.  As you also indicate, your preference above, and indicate that there are no “specific solutions” to various possible issues that may trouble us in this world, however what I believe has been presented in TUB, with the various explanations as to why something was or is, is so we can first identify our issues, then to determine, if possible, why the problem exists and, or, had developed so we have a framework to fix them on our own.

    The UB does present alternate example of issues that others have used to correct what they may have identified as issues, and also have presented ideas as to how they think certain systems might be improved or made better but, ultimately the decision for change is ours, as long as we can agree that change or improvement is needed.

    Why would the authors attempt to revel so much science, and cosmology in TUB if they did not have a purpose.  To indicate that what we may think about these subjects, does correct our understanding and also helps with confusion but, why bother if they did not have a purpose in doing so?  Do you think that our Father, would rather that we do nothing, or learn how to do things for ourselves?

  6. What’s the cause of terrorism? Murderous intent.

    Some people make the decision to harm and murder FIRST. Actually they’ve decided to commit suicide before that, then develop an unrelenting urge to take out as many as possible while they make it all look like it’s an altruistic service to some political or religious ideology’s twisted “cause.” That way they’ll become heroes (they think).

    They’re just cowards. They don’t want to live life and hate all others who do.

    How to stop it?

    Love. The love that comes from mother and father.

    (142:2.2) As time passes, fathers and their children will love each other more, and thus will be brought about a better understanding of the love of the Father in heaven for his children on earth. Remember, Jacob, that a good and true father not only loves his family as a whole—as a family—but he also truly loves and affectionately cares for each individual member.”

     

  7. Just to be clear here.  These posts about governments and what they can do to stop terrorism is about the social brotherhood.  The social brotherhood is evolving, and must evolve.  It will never stop evolving, so we all live in hope that evolution is not hindered or forced temporarily backward by antisocial elements.

    99:3.2 The kingdom of heaven is neither a social nor economic order; it is an exclusively spiritual brotherhood of God-knowing individuals. True, such a brotherhood is in itself a new and amazing social phenomenon attended by astounding political and economic repercussions.

    The kingdom of heaven concept must rule in the hearts of men before it can have positive social repercussions.  Unfortunately, and I have to be extremely delicate about saying this, but there are religionists out there who have mistaken what they interpret as the ideal social brotherhood for the spiritual brotherhood, or the kingdom of heaven.  It’s not the first time in our history that this has happened.  Many have dreamed of the ideal social brotherhood and have tried to force it on the world by attempting to circumvent the time necessary for it to evolve.  Impatience fosters violence on multiple levels, in my opinion.

    48:7.20 18. Impatience is a spirit poison; anger is like a stone hurled into a hornet’s nest.

    The good news is that these attempts always fail because they are not true, they are not aligned with God’s will.  They cannot be lived out in reality because they are unreal.  In the meantime though, they can make quite a big mess.  When society gets tired of the mess, it’ll clean it up.  Sooner or later that line will be crossed, and it will be ugly, but only in the short term.   We’ve seen this over and over again.  It’s an evolution and the things we can do to foster its forward momentum are listed in paper 52 section 6. Ethical awakening is one of them, and I don’t think we’ve actually arrived there yet. On the whole, the planet has arrived at ethical outrage  . . . lots of outrage . . . but that’s not an awakening.

    52:6.5 3. Ethical awakening. Only ethical consciousness can unmask the immorality of human intolerance and the sinfulness of fratricidal strife.

     

  8. The kingdom of heaven concept must rule in the hearts of men before it can have positive social repercussions. Unfortunately, and I have to be extremely delicate about saying this, but there are religionists out there who have mistaken what they interpret as the ideal social brotherhood for the spiritual brotherhood, or the kingdom of heaven. It’s not the first time in our history that this has happened. Many have dreamed of the ideal social brotherhood and have tried to force it on the world by attempting to circumvent the time necessary for it to evolve. Impatience fosters violence on multiple levels, in my opinion.

    Mush of what you have said it true but, in an alternate way of thinking, not so much as in “the kingdom of heaven concept”, as you mention, but as how some interpret “the ideal social brotherhood” in order to acquire the ideal “spiritual brotherhood”.  There are many who are looking for something that does not dominate their life with a different type of structured living which is just as dominating.  As you said above, “there are religionists out there who have mistaken what they interpret”, and these so called religionists, have alternate goals in mind which, for the most part, is selfish in nature, in that they wish to function as leaders of a totalitarian form of dominance over others.  The problem is that these self-proclaimed leads use a form of religious expression, in order to entice would-be followers into a false interpretation of “the Kingdom of Heaven”.

    The Urantia Book presents an explanation for some of this type of thinking and also has elaborated with examples of how this occurred in our resent history, which seems to come across as a warning as to not what to do but more so as what has happened and why.

    Secular Totalitarianism

    (2081.1) 195:8.1 But even after materialism and mechanism have been more or less vanquished, the devastating influence of twentieth-century secularism will still blight the spiritual experience of millions of unsuspecting souls.

    (2081.2) 195:8.2 Modern secularism has been fostered by two world-wide influences. The father of secularism was the narrow-minded and godless attitude of nineteenth- and twentieth-century so-called science — atheistic science. The mother of modern secularism was the totalitarian medieval Christian church. Secularism had its inception as a rising protest against the almost complete domination of Western civilization by the institutionalized Christian church.

    (2081.3) 195:8.3 At the time of this revelation, the prevailing intellectual and philosophical climate of both European and American life is decidedly secular — humanistic. For three hundred years Western thinking has been progressively secularized. Religion has become more and more a nominal influence, largely a ritualistic exercise. The majority of professed Christians of Western civilization are unwittingly actual secularists.

    (2081.4) 195:8.4 It required a great power, a mighty influence, to free the thinking and living of the Western peoples from the withering grasp of a totalitarian ecclesiastical domination. Secularism did break the bonds of church control, and now in turn it threatens to establish a new and godless type of mastery over the hearts and minds of modern man. The tyrannical and dictatorial political state is the direct offspring of scientific materialism and philosophic secularism. Secularism no sooner frees man from the domination of the institutionalized church than it sells him into slavish bondage to the totalitarian state. Secularism frees man from ecclesiastical slavery only to betray him into the tyranny of political and economic slavery.

    (2081.5) 195:8.5 Materialism denies God, secularism simply ignores him; at least that was the earlier attitude. More recently, secularism has assumed a more militant attitude, assuming to take the place of the religion whose totalitarian bondage it onetime resisted. Twentieth-century secularism tends to affirm that man does not need God. But beware! this godless philosophy of human society will lead only to unrest, animosity, unhappiness, war, and world-wide disaster.

    (2081.6) 195:8.6 Secularism can never bring peace to mankind. Nothing can take the place of God in human society. But mark you well! do not be quick to surrender the beneficent gains of the secular revolt from ecclesiastical totalitarianism. Western civilization today enjoys many liberties and satisfactions as a result of the secular revolt. The great mistake of secularism was this: In revolting against the almost total control of life by religious authority, and after attaining the liberation from such ecclesiastical tyranny, the secularists went on to institute a revolt against God himself, sometimes tacitly and sometimes openly.

    (2081.7) 195:8.7 To the secularistic revolt you owe the amazing creativity of American industrialism and the unprecedented material progress of Western civilization. And because the secularistic revolt went too far and lost sight of God and true religion, there also followed the unlooked-for harvest of world wars and international unsettledness.

    (2081.8) 195:8.8 It is not necessary to sacrifice faith in God in order to enjoy the blessings of the modern secularistic revolt: tolerance, social service, democratic government, and civil liberties. It was not necessary for the secularists to antagonize true religion in order to promote science and to advance education.

    (2082.1) 195:8.9 But secularism is not the sole parent of all these recent gains in the enlargement of living. Behind the gains of the twentieth century are not only science and secularism but also the unrecognized and unacknowledged spiritual workings of the life and teaching of Jesus of Nazareth.

    (2082.2) 195:8.10 Without God, without religion, scientific secularism can never co-ordinate its forces, harmonize its divergent and rivalrous interests, races, and nationalisms. This secularistic human society, notwithstanding its unparalleled materialistic achievement, is slowly disintegrating. The chief cohesive force resisting this disintegration of antagonism is nationalism. And nationalism is the chief barrier to world peace.

    (2082.3) 195:8.11 The inherent weakness of secularism is that it discards ethics and religion for politics and power. You simply cannot establish the brotherhood of men while ignoring or denying the fatherhood of God.

    (2082.4) 195:8.12 Secular social and political optimism is an illusion. Without God, neither freedom and liberty, nor property and wealth will lead to peace.

    (2082.5) 195:8.13 The complete secularization of science, education, industry, and society can lead only to disaster. During the first third of the twentieth century Urantians killed more human beings than were killed during the whole of the Christian dispensation up to that time. And this is only the beginning of the dire harvest of materialism and secularism; still more terrible destruction is yet to come.

  9. Like I said, TUB gives us direction.  It doesn’t tell us exactly what to do about any one particular problem, but it definitely gives us direction.  It is meant to reorient us toward reality while on this backward world.  There’s a lot of helpful info in the big blue.

  10. There’s a lot of helpful info in the big blue.

    I know that you are referring to the Urantia Book but, “big blue” is also a name given to a large IBM computer, which I worked on in the past.

  11. Like I said, TUB gives us direction. It doesn’t tell us exactly what to do about any one particular problem, but it definitely gives us direction. It is meant to reorient us toward reality while on this backward world.

    Yes, agreed, but there are some who read the UB and assume that these directions are what needs to be done, just because they have been presented there.  Not much different that what some think has been presented in the Bible.

  12. Midi,

    Honestly, if you don’t think the direction and content of TUB is superior to that found in the Bible I really wonder why you bother to participate in our study of TUB here on this forum?  If you honestly believe that TUB provides ‘directions’ that are unnecessary or not worth our time, why do you spend so much time asking questions and offering your perspectives about the Urantia Book?  TUB does not ‘direct’ us to do anything; it offers insight and spiritual enrichment that can be used to increase one’s wisdom and discernment so as to set their *own* direction toward true north (inward and Godward).

    Naturally, mindless adherence to rote platitudes and creeds is not desirable; but The Urantia  Book contains none of these.

  13. MidiChlorian wrote:
    Also, I am not warring with Bradly, just debating his attempt to dominate his thoughts over mine, when it comes to an individuals personal understanding of the context within the UB. Yes, I do find many of the things he presents, repeatedly, as part of his character trait, but in the same sense, repetition does not make it so, or true. He has many times indicated that he is only attempting to protect the students coming to these forums, from me, where I cannot express the many expressions he has used to describe me or my contributions, and even saying that they were Satanic in nature. Okay, that is his opinion, but based on this type of attitude towards or against me, it has become evident that he has a different definition of friendship or being friendly, so even if there was an attempt or invitation to friendship, it seems to be not mutual. So, I leave it at a debate, which he once told me that he will not debate me, and has told me as much here as well here recently.

    Well Midi….an interesting conflagration of half truths and falsehood indeed! Indeed, over the past 5+ years on multiple forums, many students of the UB (including me) have sought to “…protect the students coming to these forums…” – not from you but from the misstatements, misrepresentations, twisting, and tormenting of the Papers. Actually, it is my opinion that I and all other serious students who have been privileged to read your many, many posts over the years have benefited by the obvious contrast, conflict, and endless contradictions to the Papers that you have endlessly posted….and then defended.  And it is true that in your many attacks against my person (rather than my presentments), there has been a definite lack of “friendship” or friendliness offered.

    You not only chose to post as Calagastia but have proven yourself lacking in understanding of the text as well as defiant to any and all who point out the obvious. You do not appear to be sharing or learning but demonstrate an agenda of distortion and doubt….hardly a friendly position or posture. An attitude and rhetoric that was rewarded with the boot by the mods at TB.

    Some of your more notable declarations, claims, and “debate” propositions regarding the Kingdom of Heaven:

    1. You have declared that the Satania rebellion began on Urantia (it did not).

    2. You have stated that the rebellion was begun by Life Carriers (it was not) and Adam and Eve were sent purposely to fail by the intent of System/Universe rulers.

    3. You have said that the story of the rebellion and its termination proves there is no free will (not true).

    4. More lately, you have declared that the Supreme is contaminated by and corrupted with sin and evil by mortals and celestials. (oh dear)

    5. And that the TA’s are also so corrupted and may make people do sinful and evil things by such corruption.

    6. And that there are “alternative” universes and realities created by either God or by the Michael Sons where darkness, danger, and sin rule.

    There are far more examples Midi/Cali that demonstrate your dark views of reality. As the UB was given to inspire, guide, and reduce confusion and error, you seem hell bent to scare, alarm, create doubts, cast suspicions, and insert fear and anxiety you feel personally onto all others.

    It’s not just your lack of friendliness Midi/Cali, but it is your whole perspective of reality that requires the response of the student body to protest and correct such negativity. You might ask yourself what the purpose of the Papers actually is and what the overarching message is and why some believers are happy, and confident, and trusting, and positive about their religious experience while others are so dark and gloomy….all the time.

    It would help if a student were curious as to the contents rather than so intent on unreasonably injecting mortal fears and doubts about our Creator and the Michaels, etc. If you were a new student sincerely exploring the text and personal preconceptions, that’s one thing. But I have endured, as have so many others, your pointless tormenting of the Papers we are here to study together. It matters not to me who believes what the UB says, but it matters to many students that the Papers speak for themselves and not be dismembered by those with an agenda to disrupt, confuse, and confound the rest of us.

    It seems you seek an audience rather than a study group. People to perform your psychobabble to which never seems to change in content or in flavor or by aroma. But please make yourself welcome….for error is designed to be that contrast to truth, beauty, and goodness for all of us to learn thereby.  May we all learn by and benefit from your perspective….if not be swayed by it.

    ;-)

     

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  14. Some of your more notable declarations, claims, and “debate” propositions regarding the Kingdom of Heaven:
    1. You have declared that the Satania rebellion began on Urantia (it did not).
    2. You have stated that the rebellion was begun by Life Carriers (it was not) and Adam and Eve were sent purposely to fail by the intent of System/Universe rulers.
    3. You have said that the story of the rebellion and its termination proves there is no free will (not true).
    4. More lately, you have declared that the Supreme is contaminated by and corrupted with sin and evil by mortals and celestials. (oh dear)
    5. And that the TA’s are also so corrupted and may make people do sinful and evil things by such corruption.
    6. And that there are “alternative” universes and realities created by either God or by the Michael Sons where darkness, danger, and sin rule.

    Bradly, some things cannot go without a response, there are many but it is clear to me that you have distorted the facts in favor of your opinion and confusion, not only of what I have written or posted in the past not only on this forum but on many others.  You post above your misunderstanding of my many posts, which based on what you write above are down write lies based on your own dislike for me, and others I might say, where I am not alone as to your slander.  You have made statements of what I have said or written in order to twist my words and motives in your favor, which in my opinion goes against what Jesus taught.  You have said a lot of false things which were meant to hurt you opponents, and it is that which I hate but in keeping with “hate the sin, and love the sinner” it is difficult in some cases to “love the sinner”, nevertheless I judge you not for your opinion, that is someone else job, even though you have judged me many times.

    To quote the UB, from Jesus:

     (1712.5) 153:3.5 Jesus then directed his remarks to all present. He said: “But hearken to me, all of you. It is not that which enters into the mouth that spiritually defiles the man, but rather that which proceeds out of the mouth and from the heart.” But even the apostles failed fully to grasp the meaning of his words, for Simon Peter also asked him: “Lest some of your hearers be unnecessarily offended, would you explain to us the meaning of these words?” And then said Jesus to Peter: “Are you also hard of understanding? Know you not that every plant which my heavenly Father has not planted shall be rooted up? Turn now your attention to those who would know the truth. You cannot compel men to love the truth. Many of these teachers are blind guides. And you know that, if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the pit. But hearken while I tell you the truth concerning those things which morally defile and spiritually contaminate men. I declare it is not that which enters the body by the mouth or gains access to the mind through the eyes and ears, that defiles the man. Man is only defiled by that evil which may originate within the heart, and which finds expression in the words and deeds of such unholy persons. Do you not know it is from the heart that there come forth evil thoughts, wicked projects of murder, theft, and adulteries, together with jealousy, pride, anger, revenge, railings, and false witness? And it is just such things that defile men, and not that they eat bread with ceremonially unclean hands.”

    This site is still entitled as a “forum” even though some see it as a “study group”, where a forum is defined as”

    1. the marketplace or public square of an ancient Roman city, the center of judicial and business affairs and a place of assembly for the people.
    2. a court or tribunal: the forum of public opinion.
    3. an assembly, meeting place, television program, etc., for the discussion of questions of public interest.
    4. Also called online forum, Internet forum, Web forum. message board.
    5. the Forum, the forum in the ancient city of Rome.

    message board
    noun
    1. a website or section of a website that is used for public discussion of a specific topic and on which users can submit or read messages: You should post your questions on a parenting message board and get support from other parents.
    2. an online discussion group that is maintained on such a website: To participate in the message board, you must be a registered user.

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    Please abide by the purpose of this Forum which is dedicated to the in-depth study of The Urantia Book and the dissemination of its teachings.

  16. Yes, agreed, but there are some who read the UB and assume that these directions are what needs to be done, just because they have been presented there.  Not much different that what some think has been presented in the Bible.

    And what directions people take is your business because?

  17. Yes Midi/Cali, I agree….being called a liar shall not pass.  Indeed.  If you were to ask my advice, I would recommend letting sleeping dogs lie and to not poke the bear.  Instead you insult me and call me a liar.  Okay dude.  Have it your way.  A liar I’m not.  Let the record show your words and those to speak for themselves, shall we?

    Warning:  the following link to a specific topic started at TruthBook by Midi/Caligastia, which ultimately led to his termination as a member of that student body, is filled with ugly darkness and a very twisted view of the universe of universes – The Kingdom of Heaven.  You will witness Caligastia’s defense of Caligastia and the accusation that Van was instrumental in starting the rebellion and the Devil is innocent of all except following orders….and oh, lots more to boot.  This topic is over 2 years old but Cal’s words sound exactly like 5 years ago and like today as well.  Beware the wolf in sheep’s clothing with gnashing teeth.  One needs courage and tenacity to keep the ankle biters and wolves at bay.  Of course we are to learn patience and how to be gracious.  Learning well patience, struggling with the gracious thing….when insincerity and mockery are heaved my way.  Oh well…so much for a tadpole to learn.  = )

    Apologies Bonita….but the link does indeed demonstrate many different views on the Kingdom…and Midi/Caligastia’s sticks out like a sore thumb in its total isolation and twisted presentations of falsehood compared to many other students.

    Contrast.  A good thing really.  Helps the tadpole, like me, to more quickly determine the value of another’s opinions and discern the meanings within one’s motives and agenda.  A great topic with lots of facets to admire and reflect upon.  Thank you Sister.

    http://truthbook.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5110    :-(   :-(

    For those who may not know….Bradly here is aka fanofVan at TB.  ;-)

    BTW…I’m no victim….and neither is Caligastia….either one of them!

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  18. Apologies Bonita….but the link does indeed demonstrate many different views on the Kingdom

    Hey!  NO PROBLEM  . . .  as long as you don’t mind that I don’t go there and read it.  Have better things to do.

  19. Hahahahahahhaha!!!!

    Oh dear!  Same for everybody….hope you have something better to do….like just stay here and join in the conversation of discovery about The Kingdom of Heaven!

    I gave fair warning….and I meant it….that link goes to some dark places in the mind tormented by doubts, fears, confusions, and philosophic prejudice.  But the student body is often infected by such a virus of delusion….best we become inoculated to its poisons.

    Thanks again Bonita.  And like others here I have not tried to post a single “Submit” here for a long time without first copying the entire post first.  Just so the mods know, my “Chat now” feature is also not working for a long, long time so I never know who’s online here.  No big deal as I am no big fan of IM or chatting offline anyway….but if you’ve tried to reach me that way, I’m not ignoring you!  = )

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  20. Just so the mods know, my “Chat now” feature is also not working for a long, long time so I never know who’s online here

    Ditto.  I thought I was banned from person-to-person conversations, so said nothing.

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