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Problematic revelation on Celestial Guardians…

69 posts · 5 participants · started Aug 19, 2017, 3:05 PM

  1. It says right here that trinitization constitutes the authority to represent the Trinity:

    13:1.12-13  The secrets of Vicegerington include the secrets of trinitization, and trinitization constitutes the secret of authority to represent the Trinity, to act as vicegerents of the Gods. Authority to represent the Trinity attaches only to those beings, revealed and unrevealed, who are trinitized, created, eventuated, or eternalized by any two or all three of the Paradise Trinity. Personalities brought into being by the trinitizing acts of certain types of glorified creatures represent no more than the conceptual potential mobilized in that trinitization, albeit such creatures may ascend the path of Deity embrace open to all of their kind.  Nontrinitized beings do not fully understand the technique of trinitization by either two or three Creators or by certain creatures.

    It then goes on to confirm again what Bradly said, that brand spanking new personalities are brought into being by trinitizing acts of glorified creatures.  I’m pretty sure that the term glorified creatures usually means finaliters.  These brand spanking new personalities are the perfection of a concept.  So, I suppose Celestial Guardians are the perfection of a certain concept of celestial guardianship.  Just a guess.

    In this next quote, we’re informed that trinitized sons who are the progeny of glorified created personalities have special worlds of the Infinite Spirit.

    13:4.1 Between the inner circuit of Havona and the shining spheres of the Eternal Son there circle the seven orbs of the Infinite Spirit, worlds inhabited by the offspring of the Infinite Spirit, by the trinitized sons of glorified created personalities, and by other types of unrevealed beings concerned with the effective administration of the many enterprises of the various realms of universe activities.

    Here’s another quote explaining that there are trinitized sons (small s) of glorified mortals.

    17:1.8 Each Supreme Executive has two advisory cabinets: The children of the Infinite Spirit on the headquarters of each superuniverse choose representatives from their ranks to serve for one millennium in the primary advisory cabinet of their Supreme Executive. In all matters affecting the ascending mortals of time, there is a secondary cabinet, consisting of mortals of Paradise attainment and of the trinitized sons of glorified mortals; this body is chosen by the perfecting and ascending beings who transiently dwell on the seven superuniverse headquarters. All other chiefs of affairs are appointed by the Supreme Executives.

    And finally, not to be boring, but this next quote clearly uses the word parents when explaining the trinitized sons (small s) of the finaliters and Paradise Citizens.

     26:11.3 On this innermost circuit, both the ascending and the descending pilgrims fraternize with each other and with the creature-trinitized sons. Like their parents, these sons derive great benefits from interassociation, and it is the special mission of the supernaphim to facilitate and to insure the confraternity of the trinitized sons of the mortal finaliters and the trinitized sons of the Paradise Citizens. The superaphic complements of rest are not so much concerned with their training as with promoting their understanding association with diverse groups.

     

     

     

     

     

  2. It looks like you glossed over the fact they are “creature-trinitizED” see the ED suffix, it makes pass tense the verb. These beings, creature-trinitized, underwent a process or transformation, hence the suffix. They were not born into existence in that state . Their original state was transformed by the technique of trinitization.

    22:1.12 The Trinitized Sons of Perfection. The Celestial Guardians and their co-ordinates, the High Son Assistants, comprise a unique group of twice-trinitized personalities. They are the creature-trinitized sons of Paradise-Havona personalities or of perfected ascendant mortals who have long distinguished themselves in the Corps of the Finality. Some of these creature-trinitized sons, after service with the Supreme Executives of the Seven Master Spirits and after serving under the Trinity Teacher Sons, are retrinitized (embraced) by the Paradise Trinity and then commissioned to the courts of the Ancients of Days as Celestial Guardians and as High Son Assistants. Trinitized Sons of Perfection are assigned directly to the superuniverse service without further training.

    In light of this new information the Celestial Guardians start out as sons of (progeny) ascendant mortals who are in the Corps of the Finality, or of Paradise-Havona persons. (It makes sense that they use the lower case s for son in this circumstance.) These new persons are creature-trinitized first, then after service under the Trinity Teacher Sons, they get retrinitized. So I guess retrinitized and twice-trinitized are indeed the same thing. It’s all fascinatingly new. TUB, the gift that keeps on giving. Thanks Bradly.

    BB

  3. Their original state was transformed by the technique of trinitization.

    I’ve entered all different combinations of the different forms of transform/trinitize into the search engine and cannot find a quote that states trinitization is a transformation process.  I’ll keep looking, but if you have such a quote, could you share it?

  4. I furnished the revelation that implies transformation.  I will reproduce it:
    3:1.13 Nontrinitized beings do not fully understand the technique of trinitization by either two or three Creators or by certain creatures. You will never fully understand such a phenomenon unless, in the far-distant future of your glorified career, you should essay and succeed in such an adventure, because otherwise these secrets of Vicegerington will always be forbidden you. But to me, a high Trinity-origin being, all sectors of Vicegerington are open. I fully understand, and just as fully and sacredly protect, the secret of my origin and destiny.
    In the above the Revelator is telling mortals there is an opportunity for you to embark on the journey of trinitization.

    3:1.13 Nontrinitized beings do not fully understand the technique of trinitization by either two or three Creators or by certain creatures. You will never fully understand such a phenomenon unless, in the far-distant future of your glorified career, you should essay and succeed in such an adventure, because otherwise these secrets of Vicegerington will always be forbidden you. But to me, a high Trinity-origin being, all sectors of Vicegerington are open. I fully understand, and just as fully and sacredly protect, the secret of my origin and destiny.

    BB

  5. Greetings Bonita….and thank you!  The Guardians are the children of trinitized beings and while becoming trinitized could be described as a transformative event I believe it is an enhanced perspective and capability delivered by the embrace of those so selected (and that is far more than being ‘born again’ which is the mortal mind’s commitment to spiritization – as finaliters the commitment was finalized by finality and only recognized by name and number upon fusion):

    The Trinitized Sons of God
    22:0.1 (243.1) THERE are three groups of beings who are called Sons of God. In addition to descending and ascending orders of sonship there is a third group known as the Trinitized Sons of God. The trinitized order of sonship is subdivided into three primary divisions in accordance with the origins of its many types of personalities, revealed and unrevealed. These primary divisions are:

    22:0.2 (243.2) 1. Deity-trinitized Sons.
    22:0.3 (243.3) 2. Trinity-embraced Sons.
    22:0.4 (243.4) 3. Creature-trinitized Sons.

    22:0.5 (243.5) Irrespective of origin all Trinitized Sons of God have in common the experience of trinitization, either as a part of their origin or as an experience of Trinity embrace subsequently attained. The Deity-trinitized Sons are unrevealed in these narratives; therefore will this presentation be confined to a portrayal of the remaining two groups, more particularly the Trinity-embraced sons of God.

    Guardians, I believe are ‘creature-trinitized sons’.

    22:7.1 (249.1) I cannot fully unfold to the material mind the experience of the supreme creative performance of perfect and perfected spiritual beings — the act of trinitization. The techniques of trinitization are among the secrets of Vicegerington and Solitarington and are revealable to, and understandable by, none save those who have passed through these unique experiences. Therefore is it beyond the possibility of any being successfully to portray to the human mind the nature and purport of this extraordinary transaction.

    9. The Celestial Guardians

    22:9.1 (252.3) Creature-trinitized sons are embraced by the Paradise Trinity in classes of seven thousand. These trinitized offspring of perfected humans and of Paradise-Havona personalities are all equally embraced by the Deities, but they are assigned to the superuniverses in accordance with the advice of their former instructors, the Trinity Teacher Sons. Those of more acceptable service are commissioned High Son Assistants; those of less distinguished performance are designated Celestial Guardians.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  6. BTW, these trinitized sons are creature-trinitized, which I believe is different from the Trinity embrace.

    22:7.7 When a new and original being is trinitized by the Gods, the divine parents are in deity potential unchanged; but when exalted creature beings enact such a creative episode, one of the contracting and participating individuals undergoes a unique personality modification. The two ancestors of a creature-trinitized son become in a certain sense spiritually as one. We believe that this status of bi-unification of certain spiritual phases of personality will probably prevail until such time as the Supreme Being shall have attained full and completed manifestation of personality in the grand universe.

    22:7.8 Simultaneously with the appearance of a new creature-trinitized son, there occurs this functional spiritual union of the two ancestors; the two trinitizing parents become one on the ultimate functional level. No created being in the universe can fully explain this amazing phenomenon; it is a near-divine experience. When the Father and the Son united to eternalize the Infinite Spirit, upon the accomplishment of their purpose they immediately became as one and ever since have been one. And while the trinitization union of two creatures is on the order of the infinite scope of the perfect Deity union of the Universal Father and the Eternal Son, the repercussions of creature trinitization are not eternal in nature; they will terminate upon the completed factualization of the experiential Deities.

    22:7.9 While these parents of creature-trinitized sons become as one in their universe assignments, they continue to be reckoned as two personalities in the make-up and roll calls of the Corps of the Finality and of the Architects of the Master Universe. During the current universe age, all trinitization-united parents are inseparable in assignment and function; where one goes the other goes, what one does the other does. If parental bi-unification involves a mortal (or other) finaliter and a Paradise-Havona personality, the united parental beings function neither with the Paradisers, Havoners, nor finaliters. Such mixed unions forgather in a special corps made up of similar beings. And in all trinitization unions, mixed or otherwise, the parental beings are conscious of, and can communicate with, each other, and they can perform duties that neither could have previously discharged.

     

     

     

  7. “and while becoming trinitized could be described as a transformative event”

    ;-)

    Greetings Bonita….and thank you! The Guardians are the children of trinitized beings and while becoming trinitized could be described as a transformative event I believe it is an enhanced perspective and capability delivered by the embrace of those so selected (and that is far more than being ‘born again’ which is the mortal mind’s commitment to spiritization – as finaliters the commitment was finalized by finality and only recognized by name and number upon fusion): The Trinitized Sons of God 22:0.1 (243.1) THERE are three groups of beings who are called Sons of God. In addition to descending and ascending orders of sonship there is a third group known as the Trinitized Sons of God. The trinitized order of sonship is subdivided into three primary divisions in accordance with the origins of its many types of personalities, revealed and unrevealed. These primary divisions are: 22:0.2 (243.2) 1. Deity-trinitized Sons. 22:0.3 (243.3) 2. Trinity-embraced Sons. 22:0.4 (243.4) 3. Creature-trinitized Sons. 22:0.5 (243.5) Irrespective of origin all Trinitized Sons of God have in common the experience of trinitization, either as a part of their origin or as an experience of Trinity embrace subsequently attained. The Deity-trinitized Sons are unrevealed in these narratives; therefore will this presentation be confined to a portrayal of the remaining two groups, more particularly the Trinity-embraced sons of God. Guardians, I believe are ‘creature-trinitized sons’. 22:7.1 (249.1) I cannot fully unfold to the material mind the experience of the supreme creative performance of perfect and perfected spiritual beings — the act of trinitization. The techniques of trinitization are among the secrets of Vicegerington and Solitarington and are revealable to, and understandable by, none save those who have passed through these unique experiences. Therefore is it beyond the possibility of any being successfully to portray to the human mind the nature and purport of this extraordinary transaction. 9. The Celestial Guardians 22:9.1 (252.3) Creature-trinitized sons are embraced by the Paradise Trinity in classes of seven thousand. These trinitized offspring of perfected humans and of Paradise-Havona personalities are all equally embraced by the Deities, but they are assigned to the superuniverses in accordance with the advice of their former instructors, the Trinity Teacher Sons. Those of more acceptable service are commissioned High Son Assistants; those of less distinguished performance are designated Celestial Guardians.

    BB

  8. Sorry Bradly.  I was typing while you were posting.  Yes, I think creature-trinitization is different from the other types of trinitization:

    22:0.2-4

    1. Deity-trinitized Sons.

    2. Trinity-embraced Sons.

    3. Creature-trinitized Sons.

     

  9. There are trinity origin beings and trinitized beings. Those who are trinitized, for example, mortals, apply the technique of trinitization to achieve this state.  However, we have yet to satisfactorily address the revelator’s statement on celestial guardians never having been Adjuster indwelt (perhaps infused is what is meant). I find that problematic as there is no direct explanation why mortals are included. The only logical explanation I can come up with is that the previous life is stricken from the records once transformation occurs.

    BB

  10. Yup, here’s another quote that states a brand spanking new critter is the result of creature-trinitization.  Did I already post this quote?  Can’t remember.  Old-timers disease has set in.

    22:7.2 Aside from the Deities, only Paradise-Havona personalities and certain members of each of the finaliter corps engage in trinitization. Under specialized conditions of Paradise perfection, these superb beings may embark upon the unique adventure of concept-identity, and they are many times successful in the production of a new being, a creature-trinitized son.

     

  11. A quote to consider:

    (1280.3) 117:2.3 Consider the status of the creature-trinitized sons: They are born and live in the present universe age; they have personalities, together with mind and spirit endowments. They have experiences and the memory thereof, but they do not grow as do ascenders. It is our belief and understanding that these creature-trinitized sons, while they are in the present universe age, are really of the next universe age — the age which will follow the completion of the growth of the Supreme. Hence they are not in the Supreme as of his present status of incompleteness and consequent growth. Thus they are nonparticipating in the experiential growth of the present universe age, being held in reserve for the next universe age.

  12. You should have kept on reading, Bonita. This is what you missed out on…
    22:7.4 The ascendant Adjuster-fused mortal finaliters who have attained certain levels of Paradise culture and spiritual development are among those who can essay to trinitize a creature being.
    Again, and as Bradly grudgingly admits (smiles at Bradly), they are trinitizing beings that already exist; they are transforming these beings into a “new being.”

    Yup, here’s another quote that states a brand spanking new critter is the result of creature-trinitization. Did I already post this quote? Can’t remember. Old-timers disease has set in.

    22:7.2 Aside from the Deities, only Paradise-Havona personalities and certain members of each of the finaliter corps engage in trinitization. Under specialized conditions of Paradise perfection, these superb beings may embark upon the unique adventure of concept-identity, and they are many times successful in the production of a new being, a creature-trinitized son.

    BB

  13. These particular creature-trinitized sons are not mortals. They are of other origins.

    A quote to consider:

    (1280.3) 117:2.3 Consider the status of the creature-trinitized sons: They are born and live in the present universe age; they have personalities, together with mind and spirit endowments. They have experiences and the memory thereof, but they do not grow as do ascenders. It is our belief and understanding that these creature-trinitized sons, while they are in the present universe age, are really of the next universe age — the age which will follow the completion of the growth of the Supreme. Hence they are not in the Supreme as of his present status of incompleteness and consequent growth. Thus they are nonparticipating in the experiential growth of the present universe age, being held in reserve for the next universe age.

    BB

  14. There are trinity origin beings and trinitized beings. Those who are trinitized, for example, mortals, apply the technique of trinitization to achieve this state. However, we have yet to satisfactorily address the revelator’s statement on celestial guardians never having been Adjuster indwelt (perhaps infused is what is meant). I find that problematic as there is no direct explanation why mortals are included. The only logical explanation I can come up with is that the previous life is stricken from the records once transformation occurs.

    I already addressed that BB.  They are brand spanking new critters.  They had no previous life to strike out of the records, and  they would never have had Adjusters . . .  because they were never alive before.

     

  15. You should have kept on reading, Bonita. This is what you missed out on… 22:7.4 The ascendant Adjuster-fused mortal finaliters who have attained certain levels of Paradise culture and spiritual development are among those who can essay to trinitize a creature being.

    How do you suppose you essay to trinitize? I think it means to try to create an new creature through the technique of creature-trinitization.  Here’s the quote again:

    22:7.2 Aside from the Deities, only Paradise-Havona personalities and certain members of each of the finaliter corps engage in trinitization. Under specialized conditions of Paradise perfection, these superb beings may embark upon the unique adventure of concept-identity, and they are many times successful in the production of a new being, a creature-trinitized son.

  16. Use of the word progeny means a descendant, an entirely separate personality from the parents.  Creature-trinitized sons are the product of  liaisons.

    22:8.1 In addition to the creature-trinitized sons considered in this narrative, there are numerous unrevealed orders of creature-trinitized beings – the diverse progeny of the multiple liaisons of seven finaliter corps and Paradise-Havona personalities. But all these creature-trinitized beings, revealed and unrevealed, are endowed with personality by the Universal Father.

     

  17. The quote you use illustrates that these beings already existed and underwent trinitization applied by Adjuster fused Finaliters and their Paradise partners. These trinitized beings are new beings post trinitization; they put away the old man, so to speak.  You cannot trinitize a being and expect a literally new creation. It’s like an oxymoron. How do you expect a literally new creation when you are trinitizing someone who already exists?

    You should have kept on reading, Bonita. This is what you missed out on… 22:7.4 The ascendant Adjuster-fused mortal finaliters who have attained certain levels of Paradise culture and spiritual development are among those who can essay to trinitize a creature being.

    How do you suppose you essay to trinitize? I think it means to try to create an new creature through the technique of creature-trinitization. Here’s the quote again:

    22:7.2 Aside from the Deities, only Paradise-Havona personalities and certain members of each of the finaliter corps engage in trinitization. Under specialized conditions of Paradise perfection, these superb beings may embark upon the unique adventure of concept-identity, and they are many times successful in the production of a new being, a creature-trinitized son.

     

    BB

  18. Trinity origin beings would fit your description of a literally new creature. Trinitized beings are beings who already existed but underwent the trinitization process. Two different animals.
    1. Trinity origin beings
    2. Trinitized beings

    Use of the word progeny means a descendant, an entirely separate personality from the parents. Creature-trinitized sons are the product of liaisons.

    22:8.1 In addition to the creature-trinitized sons considered in this narrative, there are numerous unrevealed orders of creature-trinitized beings – the diverse progeny of the multiple liaisons of seven finaliter corps and Paradise-Havona personalities. But all these creature-trinitized beings, revealed and unrevealed, are endowed with personality by the Universal Father.

    BB

  19. Here they call a brand spanking new personality born by the technique of creature-trinitization performed by two parents (finaliter and Paradise Citizen) a “child of time and eternity”.

    23:4.3 When a finaliter and a Paradise Citizen co-operate in the trinitization of a “child of time and eternity” – a transaction involving the unrevealed mind potentials of the Supreme-Ultimate – and when such an unclassified personality is dispatched to Vicegerington, a Solitary Messenger (a conjectured personality repercussion of the bestowal of such deity mind) is always assigned as guardian-companion to such a creature-trinitized son. This messenger accompanies the new son of destiny to the world of his assignment and nevermore leaves Vicegerington. When thus attached to the destinies of a child of time and eternity, a Solitary Messenger is forever transferred to the sole supervision of the Architects of the Master Universe. What the future of such an extraordinary association may be, we do not know. For ages these partnerships of unique personalities have continued to forgather on Vicegerington, but not even a single pair has ever gone forth therefrom.

     

  20. Those who are trinitized, for example, mortals, apply the technique of trinitization to achieve this state.

    It’s the birth of an entirely new being and the parents enjoy a state of bi-unification.  There are three beings involved in creature-trinitization: two parents and an offspring.  I already supplied the quotes, which are: 22:7.7-9.

     

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