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Personality and Gender Identity

113 posts · 11 participants · started Nov 8, 2017, 9:33 PM

GeneParticipant
Nov 12, 2017, 8:17 PM

Bradly wrote:

I find it interesting that the Adamic eugenics plan includes two functions: infusion of violet genes and isolation/prevention of undesirable traits…a proactive and positive form of breeding with results coming after many generations…all managed lovingly. And yet all gay people are born in and by hetero couples! Demographic statistics are unreliable and don’t determine concrete estimates, but I did read that the number seems to be 1-4% depending on how the questions are asked and if bisexuality is included or not. It is theorized that the percentage may fluctuate but appears relatively steady….neither declining nor increasing significantly….and recently (decades). Evidently….homosexuality is not being bred-out by heterosexual breeding and home culture. Further evidence that it is nature and not nurture….people are born gay….and it is not difficult to discover such truth in youth without any exposure to gay culture or homosexuality. Seems an odd thing to fear. It’s not an infection one catches. And it’s not a culture of conversion either. I studied some today on X and Y chromosones….so many combinations now known. Interesting but inconclusive related to forming any personal opinion for me. Gender identification is a mystery. Gene….I also think you’re a keeper….if we disagree on this one! All God’s children are keepers and none should be gotten ‘rid’ of. Not part of any divine or celestial delivered eugenics plan….ever.

gender identification is indeed mysterious. If it’s not a genetic trait then choice seems to me to be the only alternative explanation.

i like analogies so here’s one-to say someone is borne that way leaving it as a mystery and omitting genetics and choice is about as illogical as the Big Bang theory where everything comes from nothing – a deliberate effort here to go toward humor.

in regard to the intent of the violet infusion I believe it was the destiny of the Sangic races and if all were blended then all of the desirable traits of the color races would be incorporated into one race, no?

My question is maybe going off topic a bit but here it is anyway: what are the traits of the six Sangic color races that were part of their genetic makeup that would have been part of the race that resulted from violate infusion? Did these traits have anything that do with the influence of the Adjutants? Did the colored races have identifiable traits that were worth preserving in order to blend into a superior race?

Seems reasonable that desirable and undesirable traits could be identified based on Adjutant influences if I’m on the right track thinking about this???
AndréParticipant
Sep 9, 2019, 7:40 AM
Hi everyone,

I’m putting back on the table this thread.

I didn’t pass through the 7 pages, but will.

I’ll try to comment through my personal experienced individual as homosexual.

André
AndréParticipant
Sep 9, 2019, 12:04 PM
Hi,

That is self-assertion
« The act of putting forward your own opinions or to express your needs, rights and wishes. In this way a person represents his own demands and express his own wishes. »

~~Homosexuality is the child of self-assertion, and is the result of~~ “bad judgement” _{45.6:3 post#28558 VA}
The right manner to read this quote in his context is;
45:6.3 On the seven mansion worlds ascending mortals are afforded ample opportunities for compensating any and all experiential deprivations suffered on their worlds of origin, whether due to inheritance, environment, or unfortunate premature termination of the career in the flesh. This is in every sense true except in the mortal sex life and its attendant adjustments. Thousands of mortals reach the mansion worlds without having benefited particularly from the disciplines derived from fairly average sex relations on their native spheres. The mansion world experience can provide little opportunity for compensating these very personal deprivations. Sex experience in a physical sense is past for these ascenders, but in close association with the Material Sons and Daughters, both individually and as members of their families, these sex-deficient mortals are enabled to compensate the social, intellectual, emotional, and spiritual aspects of their deficiency. Thus are all those humans whom circumstances or bad judgment deprived of the benefits of advantageous sex association on the evolutionary worlds, here on the system capitals afforded full opportunity to acquire these essential mortal experiences in close and loving association with the supernal Adamic sex creatures of permanent residence on the system capitals.
The mansion world experience can provide little opportunity for compensating these very personal deprivations.
Those « very personal deprivations » are fixed up with little favorable circumstance.
As my identity, my gender, preferences goes to male. Why ?

→Could something missing in my toolbox ? →Could I manage with the one I have, it will never be the ideal’s one. →Will it endanger my ascension ?
→Is it because we as a society and as individual,we haven’t seated figure out “Art de vivre”_160,Rodan

As Willer of God’s ways. TUB said “Long since, the battle cry of these pilgrims became: “In liaison with God, —absolutely —is impossible.” _26:5:3

Conclusion:
If something, anything need improvement to be set favorable to my Father, favorable for Him because He loved and valued highly His only son.

André
BradlyParticipant
Sep 9, 2019, 10:12 PM
To our Dear Brother Andre….please be comforted in your heart and mind by the reality that all mortals are measured by our motives in living, our intentions toward others, our daily priorities of choosing truth, beauty, goodness, and love to guide our philosophy of living which will always result in the same outcome for all – the birth and growth of soul and a personal relationship with Spirit that will deliver the fruits of the Spirit by attaching our branch to the vine of God’s love and tender mercies for his beloved children in time!!!!!

You may count on it and rest assured of that truth and fact!!

I do not know “why” people are gay or not. Sexual is a pleasure function. Intimacy is a personality function. Why some prefer the intimacy or sexual relationship of those of the same sex, I don’t know.

I don’t think anything is “missing” from your “toolbox” – no.

The path of ascension and experiential wisdom is unique to each mortal personality and freewill choices and yours is not in danger or handicapped in any way so far as I understand the Teachings.

I don’t think gay or straight is particularly relevant to the “art of living”. That is a function of intelligence, education, critical thinking, mental and emotional balance, culture, social environment, and the philosophy of living applied to life’s choices presented by our circumstances and situations and intersections of relationship and choice.

Faith and trust alone should bring the assurance of Sonship of God and the affection of the Divine parent for his beloved children of time. Worry not friend for the eternal adventure belongs to all who but hope for it and wish it to be true!!

Your Friend Bradly

"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
AndréParticipant
Sep 10, 2019, 4:28 AM
Dear Bradly,

I’m not apprehended and disturbed by my spiritual situation. At least the last 30 years. My first 30 was an ordeal.

The reference done about the toolbox, point out way back to first Planetary Prince rebellion + A&E default.

To reset this old thread was specifically intended to let know forum attendees there is one experienced gay dedicated as heterosexuals to do the will of God.

And extended a hand to anyone whom might be interested in altruism [thank you Bonita] to know better.
Specifically, gay in or out the closet. That is why i leave my email , if the platform is too intimidating.

Thank you Bradly,

André
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samuelParticipant
Sep 16, 2019, 2:56 AM
Une personne qui a éprouvé une attirance plus ou moins exclusive pour les individus de son propre sexe n’est pas une anomalie!

Le fait de ressentir une attirance physique, ou de maintenir des relations amoureuses, sentimentales et sexuelles avec un seul genre, est un fait naturel et un créatif de notre planète.

L’hétérosexualité, l’homosexualité, la bisexualité existent depuis que le monde est monde, c’est-à-dire depuis toujours.

Le vrai problème sur terre, ce sont les intolérants hostiles, ceux qui s’octroient le droit de définir la normalité de ce qui n’est pas traité avec mépris d’autres personnes.

Les homosexuels vivront heureux, épanouis et décontractés le jour où ils se sont arrêtés de prendre leurs frères et sœurs comme des anomalies.

Nous estimons bien souvent le traumatisme que les humains occasionnels dans la structure psychologique et émotionnelle des enfants qui ont ce genre d’attirance.

Dieu à plus d’Amour et de respect pour notre libre arbitre.

Fort heureusement, même si c’est trop lent, les mentalités changent dans le bon sens.

Excellent début de semaine chez vous tous.

Samuel

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Une “personne” qui a une attirance plus ou moins exclusive pour des individus de son sexe n’est pas une anomalie!

Sentir une attirance physique ou entretenir des relations amoureuses, sentimentales et sexuelles uniquement avec des personnes du même sexe est un fait naturel et l’une des caractéristiques créatrices de notre planète.

L’hétérosexualité, l’homosexualité et la bisexualité existent depuis la création du monde, c’est-à-dire depuis le début.

Le vrai problème sur terre, ce sont les intolérants hostiles, ceux qui s’accordent le droit de définir la normalité de ce qui n’est pas et qui traitent les autres avec mépris.

Les homosexuels vivront heureux, épanouis et détendus sur terre le jour où les abrutis cesseront de considérer leurs frères et sœurs comme des anomalies.

Nous sous-estimons souvent les traumatismes que les humains causent dans la structure psychologique et émotionnelle des enfants qui ont ce genre d’attraction.

Dieu a plus d’amour et de respect pour notre libre arbitre que ceux qui nous entourent.

Heureusement, même s’il est trop lent, les mentalités évoluent dans la bonne direction.

Excellent début de semaine pour vous tous.

Samuel

Friendship enhances joys, glorifies the triumphs of life and fidelity is a treasure of the soul.
samuelParticipant
Sep 16, 2019, 5:11 AM
On Google I wrote my previous message in two parts.
The top message in French and the bottom message in English.
I don’t understand why there was an automatic translation of the two messages?
Here is the message in English below.
A “person” who has a more or less exclusive attraction for individuals of his or her sex is not an anomaly!
Feeling a physical attraction or having romantic, sentimental and sexual relationships only with people of the same sex is a natural fact and one of the creative characteristics of our planet.
Heterosexuality, homosexuality and bisexuality have existed since the creation of the world, that is, from the beginning.
The real problem on earth is the hostile intolerants, those who grant themselves the right to define the normality of what is not and who treat others with contempt.
Homosexuals will live happy, fulfilled and relaxed on earth the day that morons stop considering their brothers and sisters as anomalies.
We often underestimate the traumas that humans cause in the psychological and emotional structure of children who have this kind of attraction.
God has more love and respect for our free will than those around us.
Fortunately, even if it is too slow, mentalities are evolving in the right direction.
Excellent start to the week for all of you.
Samuel

Friendship enhances joys, glorifies the triumphs of life and fidelity is a treasure of the soul.
AndréParticipant
Sep 18, 2019, 10:04 AM
Hi Samuel,

Très content que tu te repointes sur ce forum anglophone.
Do not worry about your stuttering problem, embrace your quirks.
Indeed makes you a tadpole more “special”.

As mentioned previously , you introduced and proved, a french reader with only his maternal lingua can now access with technology any language. I took the time to underline it Samuel to demonstrate each of us handicapped with one language can do as you do and expand brotherhood beyond limits.

Fraternellement,

André
AndréParticipant
Sep 18, 2019, 10:30 AM
Hi Samuel,

… and one of the creative characteristics of our planet.

… those who grant themselves the right to define the normality of what is not and who treat others with contempt.

God has more love and respect for our free will than those around us.

All thise observations of yours even demonstrated altruist. Manifest outreach to yours fellows.

“... tolerance is the earmark of a great soul.” 156:5.18

Définitivement brotherhood,

André

p.s. … as i can, i will continue scrutiny this thread and shared my perception.
BonitaParticipant
Sep 18, 2019, 11:17 AM

samuel wrote:

The real problem on earth is the hostile intolerants, those who grant themselves the right to define the normality of what is not and who treat others with contempt.

Surely! And that applies to more than just sexual orientation. There is so much intolerance these days for everything including sexual orientation, race, gender, age, nationality, income, religion, politics, and even one’s choice of words. TUB informs us that intolerance is a mask used to cover self-doubt. I can’t say I understand how that works, but it sounds true. Yet Jesus also taught us to always stress the true, beautiful and good and to return those qualities for evil.

146:3.2 You should never forget that intolerance is the mask covering up the entertainment of secret doubts as to the trueness of one’s belief.

So stressing the presence of tolerance whenever and wherever it appears is much better than highlighting intolerance. I think constantly pointing out intolerance makes people more self-defensive, since they are really full of self-doubt and don’t want to admit it . . . . so what you get is more intolerance and more intolerance . . . people screaming louder at each other and getting angrier and angrier. I say look for tolerance, find tolerance, praise tolerance, embrace tolerance and show tolerance so it will spread and put out the fires of intolerance.

samuel wrote:

Homosexuals will live happy, fulfilled and relaxed on earth the day that morons stop considering their brothers and sisters as anomalies.

As they should and as all of God’s children should regardless of any kind of so-called anomaly, including morons. I recommend returning tolerance for intolerance. Pick #3.

159:5.11-14 Jesus abhorred the idea either of retaliation or of becoming just a passive sufferer or victim of injustice. On this occasion he taught them the three ways of contending with, and resisting, evil:

1. To return evil for evil — the positive but unrighteous method.

2. To suffer evil without complaint and without resistance — the purely negative method.

3. To return good for evil, to assert the will so as to become master of the situation, to overcome evil with good — the positive and righteous method.

All my life I’ve chosen #2 until TUB opened my eyes. Unfortunately, I have no idea how to accomplish #3, but I’m working on it with all I have. It’s not that easy for someone like me who prefers to just walk away. There are many different types of trauma a person can be put through besides sex-orientation intolerance, and I’ve had my share of it. Intolerance is an equal opportunity offender.
samuelParticipant
Sep 19, 2019, 5:24 AM
The legitimate union of two people comes mainly from mutual affinity, love and feelings in the choice of “two soul mates” to travel a long way together.
This relationship is supra-material and surpasses what we define as sexuality.
Moreover, eroticism is what relates to physical love, desire and sexual pleasure, it has something much deeper than instinctive and reproductive sexuality.
As long as it is the choice of a responsible and consenting adult, that it does no harm to oneself or others, I do not need to find it normal or abnormal.
I have many gay friends, I think it’s my open-mindedness without prejudice that attracts them. (Smile)
Fraternal friendships.
Samuel

Traduit avec http://www.DeepL.com/Translator

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L’union légitime de deux personnes vient principalement d’affinités, d’amour et de sentiments mutuels dans le choix de “deux âmes sœurs” pour parcourir ensemble un long chemin.
Cette relation est supra-matérielle et dépasse ce que nous définissons comme la sexualité.
De plus, l’érotisme est ce qui concerne l’amour physique, le désir et le plaisir sexuel, il a quelque chose de beaucoup plus profond que la sexualité instinctive et reproductive.
Tant que c’est le choix d’un adulte responsable et consentant, que cela ne fait pas de mal à soi ou aux autres, je n’ai pas besoin de trouver cela normal ou anormal.
J’ai beaucoup d’amis gays, je pense que c’est mon ouverture d’esprit sans préjugés qui les attire. (Sourire)
Amitiés fraternelles.
Samuel

Friendship enhances joys, glorifies the triumphs of life and fidelity is a treasure of the soul.
BonitaParticipant
Sep 19, 2019, 12:02 PM

samuel wrote:

I have many gay friends, I think it’s my open-mindedness without prejudice that attracts them. (Smile) Fraternal friendships.

Me too. I even fell in love and married one back in 1970 before he came out. Lasted over 7 years.
paul_pdxParticipant
Sep 20, 2019, 6:59 PM
Yes, there was some bigot on one of the Ubook Facebook Groups spouting a bunch of anti-gay stuff.

I told him he was giving his precious book a black-eye.

The Jesus of The Urantia Book would say this:

“I skipped the baths because folks there were sleazy and nobody should be that way, gay or straight.

Stable committed relationship between same-sex persons are now possible in your world when they were not back in my day.

I’d rather a kid be raised by two women or two men than by mean-spirited bigots and you’ve got plenty of those on Urantia. Some of the advanced planets are a lot more careful about letting folks just have children left and right. There’s plenty of kids who need love on your world and your technology allows various parenting options. Being gay does not make you a good person but it does not make you bad person either. There is room for all in my father’s kingdom which is not about bodies or death, since they are ultimately un-real”

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