It’s just a book.
ill have it and read it till my last day on this planet.
I’d worry more about false prophets than a book.
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Living Loyally
143 posts · 9 participants · started Jan 29, 2015, 6:43 PM
It’s just a book. ill have it and read it till my last day on this planet. I’d worry more about false prophets than a book.
Same here. I will never stop reading it, not because I make of it an idol, but because my limited human understanding take a verrrrrry long time to fully plumb the depths and layers of insights and wisdom contained in TUB. My desire to learn and to grow is unending; therefore, my use of the book, in addition to other spiritual endeavors such as meditation, reading other books, and associating with my brothers and sisters, will never end.
My question for Urantia book readers is; When will you stop reading TUB? Is it at the end of this life or at the time of fusion with your TA? When? For those that Have made an idol of TUB, I have this warning. You cannot serve two Masters.
Good thing you do not believe the words written in the UB Louis, for if you did you would know we will be reading and studying for a long time to come in more advanced and technical manuals and histories of all and more that is contained in this basic primer we have been given. I wonder how you come by facts now? Surely not in any text book or writings as words are false upon their utterance and writing. The libraries of heaven will surely cause your reversion from such a nonsensical claim. We will all get to laugh about our self confidence and assertions in this tadpole life of our birth. That’ll be a hoot.
Been reading (and changing thereby) for 40 years almost…think I have much yet to learn by these words in this book. What are you doing here Louis? There is nothing in the book required for our salvation or progress in spirit. Lay it down and walk away as you wish. But please stop throwing stones at us who still read and find much to be glad about in this Revelation of universe facts and truth. Peace.
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
Bradly wrote:I think that becomes clear by reading more of the same Paper where later is a summation of living loyally (consecration?) results:Thanks so much for this quote Bradly. I think it’s vital to the concept of character growth and character growth is the result of living loyally.
(1221.4) 111:5.3 Mortals live in God, and so God has willed to live in mortals. As men trust themselves to him, so has he — and first — trusted a part of himself to be with men; has consented to live in men and to indwell men subject to the human will.The Adjuster brings with him the ideal character for each personality, and it’s up to each personality to chose to identify with that divine character. Personality is unchanging, but character is meant to grow in divinity. The Adjuster is the secret of one’s divine character attainment. Loyal living is a consecration of will and a devotion to the effort required to realize the transformation of one’s character.115:3.15 Actuality (of Deity) is what man seeks in the Paradise ascent. Potentiality (of human divinity) is what man evolves in that search. The Original is what makes possible the coexistence and integration of man the actual, man the potential, and man the eternal.
- Keryn wrote: . . . My desire to learn and to grow is unending; therefore, my use of the book . . .Heck yeah! What pilgrim wouldn’t want to read such a fantastic book? Jesus read a lot of books too. He spent at least five evenings a week in the library studying books. If it was good for Jesus, it’s good for me.
129:1.9 At the Capernaum synagogue he found many new books in the library chests, and he spent at least five evenings a week at intense study.
- Bonita wrote: Jesus read a lot of books too.And Jesus did not go around picking out flaws, faults and pointing his fingers at people.102:7:6 The God-knowing individual is not one who is blind to the difficulties or unmindful of the obstacles which stand in the way of finding God in the maze of superstition, tradition, and materialistic tendencies of modern times. He has encountered all these deterrents and triumphed over them, surmounted them by living faith, and attained the highlands of spiritual experience in spite of them. But it is true that many who are inwardly sure about God fear to assert such feelings of certainty because of the multiplicity and cleverness of those who assemble objections and magnify difficulties about believing in God. It requires no great depth of intellect to pick flaws, ask questions, or raise objections. But it does require brilliance of mind to answer these questions and solve these difficulties; faith certainty is the greatest technique for dealing with all such superficial contentions.
Remember the Apostle Thomas?
139:8:1 Thomas was the eighth apostle, and he was chosen by Philip. In later times he has become known as “doubting Thomas,” but his fellow apostles hardly looked upon him as a chronic doubter. True, his was a logical, skeptical type of mind, but he had a form of courageous loyalty which forbade those who knew him intimately to regard him as a trifling skeptic.And isn’t courageous loyalty one of the fruits of the divine spirit? 193:2:2And isn’t courageous loyalty one of the fruits of the divine spirit?
Yes indeed. And I think that is one of the reasons why once the soul comes into being, it grows in and of itself. Loyalty is a continuous loop where one feeds the other, ever growing. Disloyalty destroys the loop.
117:3.6 . . . he also grows as his Thought Adjuster develops new techniques for reaching down from the spiritual to the morontial soul levels; and once the soul comes into being, it begins to grow in and of itself.
Living loyally results in the transfer of dominance to the character of the personality growing within the soul. The character of a loyal personality is dominated by spiritual influences which force the self-seeking ego to take a back seat. With the ego in the back seat, the driver is free to follow the pilot’s directions without interference. Of course, during this lifetime in the flesh, the backseat driver will occasionally holler and scream for attention, but as any mature individual knows, you don’t let that kind of nonsense bother you while you’re driving. Eventually it shuts up.
The character of a loyal personality is dominated by spiritual influences which force the self-seeking ego to take a back seat. With the ego in the back seat, the driver is free to follow the pilot’s directions without interference.
The ego is very fond of self educating. It is fond of study and discussions and approving and admiring students that know less and are less studied.
- 3:5:9 4. Is faith — the supreme assertion of human thought — desirable? Then must the mind of man find itself in that troublesome predicament where it ever knows less than it can believe.
3:5:9 4. Is faith — the supreme assertion of human thought — desirable? Then must the mind of man find itself in that troublesome predicament where it ever knows less than it can believe.
What does God say about this? Ask your TA and get back to us when you have received the answer.
- 184:1:6 The kindly manner in which Jesus spoke to Annas almost bewildered him. But he had already determined in his mind that Jesus must either leave Palestine or die; so he summoned up his courage and asked: “Just what is it you are trying to teach the people? What do you claim to be?” Jesus answered: “You know full well that I have spoken openly to the world. I have taught in the synagogues and many times in the temple, where all the Jews and many of the gentiles have heard me. In secret I have spoken nothing; why, then, do you ask me about my teaching? Why do you not summon those who have heard me and inquire of them? Behold, all Jerusalem has heard that which I have spoken even if you have not yourself heard these teachings.” But before Annas could make reply, the chief steward of the palace, who was standing near, struck Jesus in the face with his hand, saying, “How dare you answer the high priest with such words?” Annas spoke no words of rebuke to his steward, but Jesus addressed him, saying, “My friend, if I have spoken evil, bear witness against the evil; but if I have spoken the truth, why, then, should you smite me?”
Your TA quotes the Urantia Book?
Yes.
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OK. I believe that you believe this.
Apparently the mercy and endless patience afforded humans while waiting for them to choose God’s will, is designed to win our loyalty. If one continues to be disloyal, patience and mercy runs out, and the end of existence results. It is amazing how much patience and mercy our Master Michael has with disloyal persons. He is willing to do a great deal to win their loyalty. Mercy is the essence of his character. And if mercy is the justice of Supremacy, then our Michael is a perfect revelation of both.
Related quotes: 2:4.5; 6:3.2; 6:3.5; 21:5.7
It is amazing how much patience and mercy our Master Michael has with disloyal persons.
If you are amazed at Michael’s mercy then you do not know him well. And How exactly do you know of Michael’s patience and mercy? How do you know of disloyal persons?
Are YOU trying Michael’s patience?
One might wonder what mercy has to do with loyal living. We know that whatever mercy cannot rehabilitate, justice will annihilate. Our lives are essentially indebted to our creditors; but, they are divine creditors who issue mercy credits to each of us in such lavish proportions as to insure our survival. (28:6.5) This means that God knows we are imperfect and gives us plenty of opportunities to make amends. But there are some disloyal people who use up all of their coupons and try the patience of God himself (2:6.8). That’s why they call it the roll call of mercy. If all the mercy coupons are spent, no Adjuster shows up to claim the personality. Disloyalty has its price.
This means that God knows we are imperfect and gives us plenty of opportunities to make amends.
God knows His creation better than the creature knows themselves.
Without freedom there is no love. Without love there is no freedom. God is Love and we are given freewill from God.
Disloyalty has its price.
What exactly is disloyalty to Deity? Is FREEDOM disloyalty? Is freewill choice disloyalty to the Creator who gave it to us?
