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Living Loyally

143 posts · 9 participants · started Jan 29, 2015, 6:43 PM

  1. I’ll ditto that!  It’s at the point where not a single personality in all of Satania has any interest in visiting or ministering to Lucifer on the prison worlds.  And he hasn’t been able to win over a single soul for two thousand years, until now! Remarkable!

    Bonita thinks that the rebels have won me over. You do not have to be won over the the rebels in order to minister even to the criminally insane. how shameful to even presume that a brother is not worthy of ministry. Perhaps you, Bonita, and the rest of the shameful universe would do well to follow the example of your Universe father-brother.

    133:4.12 To the condemned criminal he said at the last hour: “My brother, you have fallen on evil times. You lost your way; you became entangled in the meshes of crime. From talking to you, I well know you did not plan to do the thing which is about to cost you your temporal life. But you did do this evil, and your fellows have adjudged you guilty; they have determined that you shall die. You or I may not deny the state this right of self-defense in the manner of its own choosing. There seems to be no way of humanly escaping the penalty of your wrongdoing. Your fellows must judge you by what you did, but there is a Judge to whom you may appeal for forgiveness, and who will judge you by your real motives and better intentions. You need not fear to meet the judgment of God if your repentance is genuine and your faith sincere. The fact that your error carries with it the death penalty imposed by man does not prejudice the chance of your soul to obtain justice and enjoy mercy before the heavenly courts.”

    If Lucifer exists and still occupies a place, then he is our brother! Who are you or anyone else to say he is not worthy of ministry, even if he had done all he is accused of and more. Shame, shame, shame!

    It’s like Lucifer already doesn’t exist.  He’s a personality in virtual isolation because of his adamant refusal to accept reality and his wholehearted rejection of salvation. Lucifer has not repented at all, he has not returned to the Father asking his forgiveness, unlike the prodigal son, who did return to the Father, who tearfully confessed his sins and begged to be allowed back.  Lucifer just sits in the prison, doing nothing but admiring himself.

    If lucifer is beyond salvation then he immediately is annihilated. He would hold no cell in prison. And you do not know any of the things you have said above, Bonita. If you presume to know, then you would be God.

    It is odd that the entire universe has closed its doors to Lucifer, except one.  And, it’s odd that Lucifer can still win over hearts to his cause despite being locked away on a prison world and unable to do so for two thousand years.

    Do you want to name the “one”, Bonita? You do not know who I am. Do you presume to be God?

    Perhaps the roaming Caligastia, his advocate, is still wreaking havoc with some people’s minds in order to help bolster Lucifer’s case.  But we are told that Caligastia can wreak havoc in the mind only if the human party is completely willing and really desires it so.  It’s pitiable, quite honestly.  Painfully sad.

    Perhaps you presume to be God. Michael and Father know what my name is. Do you, Bonita? Your pity is quite misplaced, quite honestly. I am joyful even if you are painfully sad for me.

  2. 48:4.15 When we are tempted to magnify our self-importance, if we stop to contemplate the infinity of the greatness and grandeur of our Makers, our own self-glorification becomes sublimely ridiculous, even verging on the humorous.

    Loyal living cannot possibly include self-glorification, or self-exaltation, or self-assertion.

    175:1.10 If you presume to exalt yourselves before God, you will certainly be humbled; but whoso truly humbles himself will surely be exalted. Seek in your daily lives, not self–glorification, but the glory of God. Intelligently subordinate your own wills to the will of the Father in heaven.

     

  3. 48:4.15 When we are tempted to magnify our self-importance, if we stop to contemplate the infinity of the greatness and grandeur of our Makers, our own self-glorification becomes sublimely ridiculous, even verging on the humorous.

    Loyal living cannot possibly include self-glorification, or self-exaltation, or self-assertion.

    175:1.10 If you presume to exalt yourselves before God, you will certainly be humbled; but whoso truly humbles himself will surely be exalted. Seek in your daily lives, not self–glorification, but the glory of God. Intelligently subordinate your own wills to the will of the Father in heaven.

    Absolutely, I could not agree more.

  4. Loyalty to God’s will  does not always result in joy. Jesus was not having a good day doing his Father’s will hanging on that bloody tree, believe me. But the part of him that was suffering was the human part; his spirit was experiencing something entirely different. The trick is to relate to God’s will not only with human emotions, but with divine emotions. Jesus was filled with love for God and his fellow man even while his salty sweat burned into his wounds and he used every molecule of energy to take in a life sustaining breath through his parched, encrusted lips.  There is a part of us that is divine, and that is the best part.  Best to be loyal to it.

  5. Loyalty to God’s will  does not always result in joy. Jesus was not having a good day doing his Father’s will hanging on that bloody tree, believe me. But the part of him that was suffering was the human part; his spirit was experiencing something entirely different. The trick is to relate to God’s will not only with human emotions, but with divine emotions. Jesus was filled with love for God and his fellow man even while his salty sweat burned into his wounds and he used every molecule of energy to take in a life sustaining breath through his parched, encrusted lips.  There is a part of us that is divine, and that is the best part.  Best to be loyal to it.

    A bit dramatic but true none the less.

  6. Living loyally means doing God’s will. Actually doing the Father’s will causes a shifting paradigm to occur with a new invasion of love into the soul.  Meanings and values begin to take on new forms. Misery only comes from trying to hold onto self-will rather than working to see the truth, beauty and goodness, the source of divine change within the soul.  The harder the moral choices, the greater the growth potential. It’s just the way it is for those who pass the fringe of conflict and confusion to enter the kingdom.  And the keys to the kingdom are sincerity, sincerity and more sincerity.

    196:3.20 Every time man makes a reflective moral choice, he immediately experiences a new divine invasion of his soul. Moral choosing constitutes religion as the motive of inner response to outer conditions. But such a real religion is not a purely subjective experience. It signifies the whole of the subjectivity of the individual engaged in a meaningful and intelligent response to total objectivity — the universe and its Maker.

    39:4.14 The keys of the kingdom of heaven are: sincerity, more sincerity, and more sincerity. All men have these keys. Men use them — advance in spirit status — by decisions, by more decisions, and by more decisions. The highest moral choice is the choice of the highest possible value, and always — in any sphere, in all of them — this is to choose to do the will of God. If man thus chooses, he is great, though he be the humblest citizen of Jerusem or even the least of mortals on Urantia.

  7. Misery only comes from trying to hold onto self-will rather than working to see the truth, beauty and goodness, the source of divine change within the soul.

    Misery loves company and you have lots of company here.

  8. The self builds barriers for self protection all the time. Doing the Father’s will causes the barriers to come tumbling down, which seems like a bad thing because it makes one feel so vulnerable.  But in reality, if one would just stop freaking out, one would realize that what really happened is extraordinary and probably miraculous. Human emotions get riled up when the self  is exposed and vulnerable. If divine emotions are allowed to dominate, one may actually fall in love with their source. And in due time, come to the realization that one has begun to master the self, which means that the self-protective barriers are no longer necessary.

  9. But in reality, if one would just stop freaking out, one would realize that what really happened is extraordinary and probably miraculous.

    IOW, let it be, let it go.

  10. p1733:00 Many of your brethren have minds which accept the theory of God while they spiritually fail to realize the presence of God. And that is just the reason why I have so often taught you that the kingdom of heaven can best be realized by acquiring the spiritual attitude of a sincere child. It is not the mental immaturity of the child that I commend to you but rather the spiritual simplicity of such an easy-believing and fully-trusting little one. It is not so important that you should know about the fact of God as that you should increasingly grow in the ability to feel the presence of God.

    This is one of my most favorite quotes in the entire book.  Living loyally is living in the kingdom of heaven.  The key to getting in is sincerity, while the key to staying in is to acquire the spiritual attitude of a sincere child which allows one to feel the presence of God.  Living loyally, must therefore be, willingness to not only live in the presence of God, but to be conscious of living in the presence of God.  This was the secret to Jesus’ life, the consciousness of the presence of God.

  11. In short, let yourself go; let God be in you and be in Him.

  12. Jesus opened his ordination speech to the twelve in Paper 140 by pointing out a few facts of loyal living:

    • Life is aimless and unhappy without a worthy goal.
    • Every mortal craves to be a complete person.
    • Emotional responses to life can be modified in order to improve character.
    • Emotional attitudes concerned with making decisions in life should be based on the concept fatherly love.
    • The universe is truly fatherly.

     

     

     

  13. Living loyally requires the modification of emotional reactions to the environment.  The goal of loyal living is to allow the Adjuster to thread the spirit patterns of a universe character on the cosmic loom of morontia fabric (the soul).  (111:2.2) It is this universe character which is growing through the efforts of loyal living.  The UB has plenty to say about our characters, what they are now and what they are becoming.

     

  14. Living loyally requires the modification of emotional reactions to the environment. The goal of loyal living is to allow the Adjuster to thread the spirit patterns of a universe character on the cosmic loom of morontia fabric (the soul). (111:2.2) It is this universe character which is growing through the efforts of loyal living. The UB has plenty to say about our characters, what they are now and what they are becoming.

    I must Ask: ? The statement above, how does (111:2.2) apply or work into “Living Loyally” ?

    Where the UB quote mentioned and the preceding and following quote, really don’t reference “Living” or “Loyally” (loyalty) within its context, other than its relation to “the soul” ?

    (1217.5) 111:2.1 Throughout the mind functions of cosmic intelligence, the totality of mind is dominant over the parts of intellectual function. Mind, in its essence, is functional unity; therefore does mind never fail to manifest this constitutive unity, even when hampered and hindered by the unwise actions and choices of a misguided self. And this unity of mind invariably seeks for spirit co-ordination on all levels of its association with selves of will dignity and ascension prerogatives.

    (1217.6) 111:2.2 The material mind of mortal man is the cosmic loom that carries the morontia fabrics on which the indwelling Thought Adjuster threads the spirit patterns of a universe character of enduring values and divine meanings — a surviving soul of ultimate destiny and unending career, a potential finaliter.

    (1218.1) 111:2.3 The human personality is identified with mind and spirit held together in functional relationship by life in a material body. This functioning relationship of such mind and spirit does not result in some combination of the qualities or attributes of mind and spirit but rather in an entirely new, original, and unique universe value of potentially eternal endurance, the soul.

    What is the intended relationship to the posting?

     

  15. I think that becomes clear by reading more of the same Paper where later is a summation of living loyally (consecration?) results:

    5. The Consecration of Choice

    (1221.2) 111:5.1 The doing of the will of God is nothing more or less than an exhibition of creature willingness to share the inner life with God — with the very God who has made such a creature life of inner meaning-value possible. Sharing is Godlike — divine. God shares all with the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit, while they, in turn, share all things with the divine Sons and spirit Daughters of the universes.

    (1221.3) 111:5.2 The imitation of God is the key to perfection; the doing of his will is the secret of survival and of perfection in survival.

    (1221.4) 111:5.3 Mortals live in God, and so God has willed to live in mortals. As men trust themselves to him, so has he — and first — trusted a part of himself to be with men; has consented to live in men and to indwell men subject to the human will.

    (1221.5) 111:5.4 Peace in this life, survival in death, perfection in the next life, service in eternity — all these are achieved (in spirit) now when the creature personality consents — chooses — to subject the creature will to the Father’s will. And already has the Father chosen to make a fragment of himself subject to the will of the creature personality.

    (1221.6) 111:5.5 Such a creature choice is not a surrender of will. It is a consecration of will, an expansion of will, a glorification of will, a perfecting of will; and such choosing raises the creature will from the level of temporal significance to that higher estate wherein the personality of the creature son communes with the personality of the spirit Father.

    (1221.7) 111:5.6 This choosing of the Father’s will is the spiritual finding of the spirit Father by mortal man, even though an age must pass before the creature son may actually stand in the factual presence of God on Paradise. This choosing does not so much consist in the negation of creature will — “Not my will but yours be done” — as it consists in the creature’s positive affirmation: “It is my will that your will be done.”

    ;-)

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  16. Lots of pontification and bloated verbiage on the part of this Mighty Messenger. I would have advise him to have kept his “message” SIMPLE and pithy.

    BE GOOD AND DO GOOD.

  17. Bradly wrote:  I think that becomes clear by reading more of the same Paper where later is a summation of living loyally (consecration?) results:

    5. The Consecration of Choice

    (1221.2) 111:5.1 The doing of the will of God is nothing more or less than an exhibition of creature willingness to share the inner life with God — with the very God who has made such a creature life of inner meaning-value possible. Sharing is Godlike — divine. God shares all with the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit, while they, in turn, share all things with the divine Sons and spirit Daughters of the universes.

    (1221.3) 111:5.2 The imitation of God is the key to perfection; the doing of his will is the secret of survival and of perfection in survival.

    (1221.4) 111:5.3 Mortals live in God, and so God has willed to live in mortals. As men trust themselves to him, so has he — and first — trusted a part of himself to be with men; has consented to live in men and to indwell men subject to the human will.

    (1221.5) 111:5.4 Peace in this life, survival in death, perfection in the next life, service in eternity — all these are achieved (in spirit) now when the creature personality consents — chooses — to subject the creature will to the Father’s will. And already has the Father chosen to make a fragment of himself subject to the will of the creature personality.

    (1221.6) 111:5.5 Such a creature choice is not a surrender of will. It is a consecration of will, an expansion of will, a glorification of will, a perfecting of will; and such choosing raises the creature will from the level of temporal significance to that higher estate wherein the personality of the creature son communes with the personality of the spirit Father.

    (1221.7) 111:5.6 This choosing of the Father’s will is the spiritual finding of the spirit Father by mortal man, even though an age must pass before the creature son may actually stand in the factual presence of God on Paradise. This choosing does not so much consist in the negation of creature will — “Not my will but yours be done” — as it consists in the creature’s positive affirmation: “It is my will that your will be done.” ;-)

    I do not tire of reading  the references you and others cite.  Thank you for bringing these forward.

  18. I do not tire of reading  the references you and others cite.  Thank you for bringing these forward.

    Do you tire of persons? Are these words that you tirelessly cling to giving you comfort? Are you comforted by the dead or by the living? Why do you look for the living among the dead? Let the dead bury the dead.

  19. I think that becomes clear by reading more of the same Paper where later is a summation of living loyally (consecration?) results:

    So, based on your response above, the “summation of living loyally” is “(consecration?)” . . . which by “consecration?”, are you inferring: “the act of consecrating; dedication to the service and worship of a deity”, or, the “ordination to a sacred office, especially to the episcopate.”  Where to “consecrate” could also imply: “to make or declare sacred; set apart or dedicate to the service of a deity”, or “to make (something) an object of honor or veneration; hallow”, or “to devote or dedicate to some purpose”.

    But the section of the UB which you sited is the “Consecration of Choice”, which is fine when referencing the Thought Adjuster, but “Living Loyally”, or “loyalty” in most cases refers to “devotion to highest duty”:

    (51.11) 3:5.12 7. Is loyalty — devotion to highest duty — desirable? Then must man carry on amid the possibilities of betrayal and desertion. The valor of devotion to duty consists in the implied danger of default.

    Where “Living Loyally” just might imply, that in life the “highest duty” could be making a choice, which may imply that that choice will fail in error, or at best taking a chance that one has made the wrong choice.  But it would seem that taking a chance that a person will, or doing, might not be the Father’s Will, where by failure, would gain experience to know what God’s Will actually might be?

    5. The Consecration of Choice
    (1221.2) 111:5.1 The doing of the will of God is nothing more or less than an exhibition of creature willingness to share the inner life with God — with the very God who has made such a creature life of inner meaning-value possible. Sharing is Godlike — divine. God shares all with the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit, while they, in turn, share all things with the divine Sons and spirit Daughters of the universes.

    It would seem that “God shares all with the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit,” but they pass it down to “the divine Sons and spirit Daughters”, where as created creatures, having the potential of being “divine Sons and spirit Daughters”, it would require addition choices to be made and at the same time many failures, and additional requirements, before we could fall into that status.

    (1221.3) 111:5.2 The imitation of God is the key to perfection; the doing of his will is the secret of survival and of perfection in survival.

    The “secret of survival” is the understanding of ones reality, and the “imitation of God” is to know God, or the Father, and having had a face to face, or eye to eye and ear to ear, relationship with Him, or Her as whatever suits the perspective.

    (1221.4) 111:5.3 Mortals live in God, and so God has willed to live in mortals. As men trust themselves to him, so has he — and first — trusted a part of himself to be with men; has consented to live in men and to indwell men subject to the human will.

    It is true that men must “trust themselves to him”, but that He “trusted a part of himself to be with men” would imply that “part” is in jeopardy based on “human will” where if one makes a choice which may not be according to His Will, in His manipulation of the responsibility of a sincere “devotion to duty” even having failed, one can be assured to learn what God’s Will would or should be.  Also, by His mercy, and the creatures sincerity, and the distribution of this mercy to other creatures, will one know and understand our Father’s Will.

    (1221.5) 111:5.4 Peace in this life, survival in death, perfection in the next life, service in eternity — all these are achieved (in spirit) now when the creature personality consents — chooses — to subject the creature will to the Father’s will. And already has the Father chosen to make a fragment of himself subject to the will of the creature personality.

    “All these are achieved (in spirit)”, but the big question is “when the creature personality consents”, would imply that “already has the Father chosen” by the gift of the Thought Adjuster, to those who He has deemed worthy.  The only thing they lack is experience in life, and death.

    (1221.6) 111:5.5 Such a creature choice is not a surrender of will. It is a consecration of will, an expansion of will, a glorification of will, a perfecting of will; and such choosing raises the creature will from the level of temporal significance to that higher estate wherein the personality of the creature son communes with the personality of the spirit Father.

    Yes, the “consecration of will” is that of the creatures personality with the Father, as one in fusion of the spirit minds, but the creature’s “communes” must be understood, and is not always relayed in specific communication.  This would require a better understanding of reality.

    (1221.7) 111:5.6 This choosing of the Father’s will is the spiritual finding of the spirit Father by mortal man, even though an age must pass before the creature son may actually stand in the factual presence of God on Paradise. This choosing does not so much consist in the negation of creature will — “Not my will but yours be done” — as it consists in the creature’s positive affirmation: “It is my will that your will be done.” [And if this choice is made, sooner or later will the God-choosing son find inner union (fusion) with the indwelling God fragment, while this same perfecting son will find supreme personality satisfaction in the worship communion of the personality of man and the personality of his Maker, two personalities whose creative attributes have eternally joined in self-willed mutuality of expression — the birth of another eternal partnership of the will of man and the will of God.]

    It would seem that you failed to add a portion of your last UB quote, where I have added it and highlighted in blue, but I can understand why you might have omitted that portion.  Nevertheless, your response still does not answer my initial question to Bonita, but I expect little more of late.  If for no other protocol then to not mislead readers, you might have, at least, put a [ . . . ] at the end of the UB quote above, for the notation of your edit of the text.

     

  20. [And if this choice is made, sooner or later will the God-choosing son find inner union (fusion) with the indwelling God fragment, while this same perfecting son will find supreme personality satisfaction in the worship communion of the personality of man and the personality of his Maker, two personalities whose creative attributes have eternally joined in self-willed mutuality of expression — the birth of another eternal partnership of the will of man and the will of God.]

    Thanks Midi.

    My question for Urantia book readers is; When will you stop reading TUB? Is it at the end of this life or at the time of fusion with your TA? When?

    For those that Have made an idol of TUB, I have this warning. You cannot serve two Masters.

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