Has the Lucifer rebellion been adjudicated?
No. But a few people think it has been adjudicated. What do you think?
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Has the Lucifer rebellion been adjudicated?
114 posts · 10 participants · started Jun 11, 2016, 5:10 PM
I wonder why it matters and how it would affect mortal pilgrims, ascenders, and tadpoles?
As a planet evolves through the mortal epochs, only those who attend the broadcast centers get the “news” by broadcast. I can see why the angels would care….but not the mortals on any world at our level of progress.
Would it improve the ministry of the Most Highs to our world? I’m sure I’ve read that Urantia is receiving extraordinary compensatory ministries on many levels so we do NOT suffer any substantial loss while adjudication awaits as individual believers/ascenders.
There are those who claim to be empowered to receive the broadcasts now….and without the “harp” of God. Very special folk indeed!
47:10.2 (539.4) John the Revelator saw a vision of the arrival of a class of advancing mortals from the seventh mansion world to their first heaven, the glories of Jerusem. He recorded: “And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire; and those who had gained the victory over the beast that was originally in them and over the image that persisted through the mansion worlds and finally over the last mark and trace, standing on the sea of glass, having the harps of God, and singing the song of deliverance from mortal fear and death.” (Perfected space communication is to be had on all these worlds; and your anywhere reception of such communications is made possible by carrying the “harp of God,” a morontia contrivance compensating for the inability to directly adjust the immature morontia sensory mechanism to the reception of space communications.)
Me here: so mortals need a mechanical aid/device to receive broadcasts on the Mansion Worlds….but not here? Curious.
52:6.8 (598.3) If you could be transplanted from your backward and confused world to some normal planet now in the postbestowal Son age, you would think you had been translated to the heaven of your traditions. You would hardly believe that you were observing the normal evolutionary workings of a mortal sphere of human habitation. These worlds are in the spiritual circuits of their realm, and they enjoy all the advantages of the universe broadcasts and the reflectivity services of the superuniverse.
110:7.8 (1213.3) During mortal life the material body and mind separate you from your Adjuster and prevent free communication; subsequent to death, after the eternal fusion, you and the Adjuster are one — you are not distinguishable as separate beings — and thus there exists no need for communication as you would understand it.
110:7.9 (1213.4) While the voice of the Adjuster is ever within you, most of you will hear it seldom during a lifetime. Human beings below the third and second circles of attainment rarely hear the Adjuster’s direct voice except in moments of supreme desire, in a supreme situation, and consequent upon a supreme decision.
Me here: but many seem to hear much during this lifetime; however to claim to speak to or receive communications without the normal aids and in addition to or in lieu of TA communication truly baffles me. So someone is spiritual enough to receive messages from somewhere and someone but not spiritual enough for direct TA contact? Really?
I find the whole issue to be ripe with false claims and self delusion, not to mention self importance. We also have circle-counters among us (they claim to know their own circle progress and that of others sometimes) and those who claim to be Planetary Reservists. All such ones are not very well read in the actual Papers to believe or proclaim such standing IMO.
Signs, wonders, miracles, and the priesthood to provide the side show rather than focus upon the true adventure – fusion and eternity for the individual. Such nonsense is a distraction from the work of spiritization while being so concerned with the status of the planet or the system or whatever “news” might be found so compelling and “interesting”. Or so I think.
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
I wonder why it matters and how it would affect mortal pilgrims, ascenders, and tadpoles?
Good question. There were consequences to the Lucifer rebellion. I just now conceived a comparison that goes like this: I grew up in a dysfunctional family and I thought everyone lived like that, until I saw how other families had more harmonious relationships. You know what you know, until you find out something else. The UB offers something else, a vision of what could have been, but was not. The resulting planetary confusion due to the Lucifer rebellion still prevails – confusion even about God.
4:3:3 Much, very much, of the difficulty which Urantia mortals have in understanding God is due to the far-reaching consequences of the Lucifer rebellion and the Caligastia betrayal. On worlds not segregated by sin, the evolutionary races are able to formulate far better ideas of the Universal Father; they suffer less from confusion, distortion, and perversion of concept.If the people of the world were divided into two groups – those who know of the Lucifer rebellion and those who do not, to the ones who do not know it does not matter. If you don’t know something, haven’t ever heard about it, it is unlikely you’ll be held accountable for knowing it. On the other-hand for those who do know about the rebellion, yes, I think it does matter, especially so if the subject is studied. Knowing about it reduces confusion, distortion and perversion of concept. I pose the question “Has the Lucifer rebellion been adjudicated?” to study it with you. Thanks for your input.Firstly, if as the UB indicates that if Lucifer were found guilty and adjudicated as is mentioned, he and his cohorts would be as if they had never existed.
I agree, if the Ancients of Days so decree.
So, being that you can even mention his name in this topic would indicate one of two things, which means that first he has not yet been adjudicated or that he was found not-guilty.
Are you saying that using or mentioning the name “Lucifer” means either 1) he has not been adjudicated, or 2) he was found not guilty? What does his name have to do adjudication? I think you’re conflating his name with his theories “self-assertion and liberty.” Do you think his name is going to disappear if he is found guilty as charged?
53:2:2 There were no peculiar or special conditions in the system of Satania which suggested or favored rebellion. It is our belief that the idea took origin and form in Lucifer’s mind, and that he might have instigated such a rebellion no matter where he might have been stationed. Lucifer first announced his plans to Satan, but it required several months to corrupt the mind of his able and brilliant associate. However, when once converted to the rebel theories, he became a bold and earnest advocate of “self-assertion and liberty.”
Where Eve seemed to be interested in as well as Caligastia having worked with the Life Carriers, which might indicate an association with Genetics.
A note about the Life Carriers. Once they get life going, they cease their efforts to supplement life, including any experimentation with genetics.
36:3:6 The Life Carriers of a planetary corps are given a certain period in which to establish life on a new world, approximately one-half million years of the time of that planet. At the termination of this period, indicated by certain developmental attainments of the planetary life, they cease implantation efforts, and they may not subsequently add anything new or supplemental to the life of that planet.36:3:8 When the Life Carriers operating on a new world have once succeeded in producing a being with will, with the power of moral decision and spiritual choice, then and there their work terminates — they are through; they may manipulate the evolving life no further. From this point forward the evolution of living things must proceed in accordance with the endowment of the inherent nature and tendencies which have already been imparted to, and established in, the planetary life formulas and patterns. The Life Carriers are not permitted to experiment or to interfere with will; they are not allowed to dominate or arbitrarily influence moral creatures.36:3:9 Upon the arrival of a Planetary Prince [Caligastia] they prepare to leave, though two of the senior carriers and twelve custodians may volunteer, by taking temporary renunciation vows, to remain indefinitely on the planet as advisers in the matter of the further development and conservation of the life plasm. Two such Sons and their twelve associates are now serving on Urantia.Caligastia showed up and Dalamatia was established 500,000 years ago. And 200,000 year ago Caligastia drank the cool-aid. But the biologic development on Urantia continued apace, until 40,000 years ago when the Life Carriers petitioned for assistance with biologic uplift via the violet race.73:0:1 THE cultural decadence and spiritual poverty resulting from the Caligastia downfall and consequent social confusion had little effect on the physical or biologic status of the Urantia peoples. Organic evolution proceeded apace, quite regardless of the cultural and moral setback which so swiftly followed the disaffection of Caligastia and Daligastia. And there came a time in the planetary history, almost forty thousand years ago, when the Life Carriers on duty took note that, from a purely biologic standpoint, the developmental progress of the Urantia races was nearing its apex. The Melchizedek receivers, concurring in this opinion, readily agreed to join the Life Carriers in a petition to the Most Highs of Edentia asking that Urantia be inspected with a view to authorizing the dispatch of biologic uplifters, a Material Son and Daughter.Eve experimented with the material order of life plasm, because she listened to the insidious propaganda of personal liberty and planetary freedom of action. With one thrust the deed was done. No doubt it also pleased Lucifer, Satan, and Caligastia the prince of darkness.75:8:4 In estimating the results of the Adamic mission on your world, justice demands the recognition of the condition of the planet. Adam was confronted with a well-nigh hopeless task when, with his beautiful mate, he was transported from Jerusem to this dark and confused planet. But had they been guided by the counsel of the Melchizedeks and their associates, and had they been more patient, they would have eventually met with success. But Eve listened to the insidious propaganda of personal liberty and planetary freedom of action. She was led to experiment with the life plasm of the material order of sonship in that she allowed this life trust to become prematurely commingled with that of the then mixed order of the original design of the Life Carriers which had been previously combined with that of the reproducing beings once attached to the staff of the Planetary Prince.Now if we take the Biblical reference from above and link this with the time line mentioned in the UB where “Gabriel came down from Salvington and bound the dragon (all the rebel leaders) for an age”, this “age” is noted as being a thousand years, where if one adds these time lines together, it would indicate that these “rebel leaders” were loosed around the time of the “Middle Ages” or more specifically around “Saeculum obscurum” or the “Dark Ages“, which might make sense based on the turmoil of that time in history.
I do not think the rebel leaders have ever been “loosed” since they were interred on the prison worlds.
45:1:10 The seven satellites surrounding the Father’s world are variously utilized in the different systems. In Satania they are now used as the detention spheres for the interned groups of the Lucifer rebellion. The constellation capital, Edentia, has no analogous prison worlds; the few seraphim and cherubim who went over to the rebels in the Satania rebellion have been long since confined on these isolation worlds of Jerusem.
45:1:11 As a sojourner on the seventh mansion world, you have access to the seventh transition world, the sphere of the Universal Father, and are also permitted to visit the Satania prison worlds surrounding this planet, whereon are now confined Lucifer and the majority of those personalities who followed him in rebellion against Michael. And this sad spectacle has been observable during these recent ages and will continue to serve as a solemn warning to all Nebadon until the Ancients of Days shall adjudicate the sin of Lucifer and his fallen associates who rejected the salvation proffered by Michael, their universe Father.
53:9:4 Satan could come to Urantia because you had no Son of standing in residence — neither Planetary Prince nor Material Son. Machiventa Melchizedek has since been proclaimed vicegerent Planetary Prince of Urantia, and the opening of the case of Gabriel vs. Lucifer has signalized the inauguration of temporary planetary regimes on all the isolated worlds. It is true that Satan did periodically visit Caligastia and others of the fallen princes right up to the time of the presentation of these revelations, when there occurred the first hearing of Gabriel’s plea for the annihilation of the archrebels. Satan is now unqualifiedly detained on the Jerusem prison worlds.53:9:5 Since Michael’s final bestowal no one in all Satania has desired to go to the prison worlds to minister to the interned rebels. And no more beings have been won to the deceiver’s cause. For nineteen hundred years the status has been unchanged.54:4:8 But these mercy delays are not interminable. Notwithstanding the long delay (as time is reckoned on Urantia) in adjudicating the Lucifer rebellion, we may record that, during the time of effecting this revelation, the first hearing in the pending case of Gabriel vs. Lucifer was held on Uversa, and soon thereafter there issued the mandate of the Ancients of Days directing that Satan be henceforth confined to the prison world with Lucifer. This ends the ability of Satan to pay further visits to any of the fallen worlds of Satania. Justice in a mercy-dominated universe may be slow, but it is certain.Which might indicate that the adjudication which you mention is ongoing right now and who knows how long that the cleanup will take?
I agree. Adjudication has begun.
Dear Friends,
I raised this topic to discuss question I raised: Has the Lucifer rebellion been adjuciated? I still want to study it. Two hours ago I checked back in here to read additional comments from several of you. Now, I discover that 18 of the 24 posts of this topic have been reported: “This reply has been reported for inappropriate content.” I notice none of my responses have been reported. I am sad and discouraged about this. In spite of feeling disheartened about the reported comments, I am not quitting the topic. I do not follow other forums. I do not read what is said by others in other places on the Internet. I come to this forum because it is a place to study the revelations in the UB and I appreciate the level-headed study offered here. I want to know what the UB has to say about the adjudication of the Lucifer rebellion. It is reasonable to want to read your insights relative to what the UB has to say on the topic. I am trying very hard not to get embroiled here or anywhere in personal conflict with other readers. Have I erred in the past? Yes. Do I have strong opinions? Yes. Am I sorry for going into the weeds? Yes. Let’s leave the weeds and transcend the material irritations of the lower levels of thinking.
160:3:5 This new gospel of the kingdom renders a great service to the art of living in that it supplies a new and richer incentive for higher living. It presents a new and exalted goal of destiny, a supreme life purpose. And these new concepts of the eternal and divine goal of existence are in themselves transcendent stimuli, calling forth the reaction of the very best that is resident in man’s higher nature. On every mountaintop of intellectual thought are to be found relaxation for the mind, strength for the soul, and communion for the spirit. From such vantage points of high living, man is able to transcend the material irritations of the lower levels of thinking — worry, jealousy, envy, revenge, and the pride of immature personality. These high-climbing souls deliver themselves from a multitude of the crosscurrent conflicts of the trifles of living, thus becoming free to attain consciousness of the higher currents of spirit concept and celestial communication. But the life purpose must be jealously guarded from the temptation to seek for easy and transient attainment; likewise must it be so fostered as to become immune to the disastrous threats of fanaticism.No, it has nothing to do with the name but the history behind the name. Where in this case if Lucifer had been like he had never existed, there would be no record of the rebellion and it would have been stricken even from the UB.
If Lucifer is anhilated from existence, it does not stand up to logic that the history he participated in is also anhilated. Anything of value he accomplished is added to the growth of the Supreme Being. Many orders of beings, including mortal ascenders on Jerusem at the time of the seven years battle on the sea of glass as well as those on the planets that fell, did experience the rebellion and were witness to what happened at that time. Their decisions add to both the Supreme and are bonifide experiences. Those things can’t be erased. Maybe you are thinking of this passage, indicating a temporary erasure on the Jerusem depiction of system history which eventually will be restored.
46:8:1 The purely local and routine affairs of Jerusem are directed from the one hundred triangles. These units are clustered around the ten marvelous structures domiciling the local administration of Jerusem. The triangles are surrounded by the panoramic depiction of the system headquarters history. At present there is an erasure of over two standard miles in this circular story. This sector will be restored upon the readmission of Satania into the constellation family. Every provision for this event has been made by the decrees of Michael, but the tribunal of the Ancients of Days has not yet finished the adjudication of the affairs of the Lucifer rebellion. Satania may not come back into the full fellowship of Norlatiadek so long as it harbors archrebels, high created beings who have fallen from light into darkness.MidiChlorian wrote: If a personality, never existed then no one would identify with any of their actions in past history. This would also indicate that time and memory would also need to be altered or adjusted out, but the main point here is that if this is a true interpretation of what non-existence implies, it would be a very large undertaking throughout the universes. Therefore, not likely but if one believes the text and interprets it this way, possible.
I disagree. Non-existence means the personality is anhilated. The traitors and rebels will be deprived of personality existence. The history will remain.
53:9:7 The rebellion has ended on Jerusem. It ends on the fallen worlds as fast as divine Sons arrive. We believe that all rebels who will ever accept mercy have done so. We await the flashing broadcast that will deprive these traitors of personality existence. We anticipate the verdict of Uversa will be announced by the executionary broadcast which will effect the annihilation of these interned rebels. Then will you look for their places, but they shall not be found. “And they who know you among the worlds will be astonished at you; you have been a terror, but ne ver shall you be any more.” And thus shall all of these unworthy traitors “become as though they had not been.” All await the Uversa decree.However, as is presented in the UB Urantia was an experimental planet where the Life Carriers actually managed to create something which had never been done in Satania.
Yes.
I believe that it is what occurred here, back then which may have been the straw which broke the camels back. It was what was allowed to occur here which was an injustice and being that the Life Carriers washed their hands of it, and placed the blame on others, made the big difference.
You can believe what you want to, but regarding the work of the Life Carriers, the UB text informs us they used previously approved formulas and life patterns.
36:3:2 The corps of Life Carriers commissioned to plant life upon a new world usually consists of one hundred senior carriers, one hundred assistants, and one thousand custodians. The Life Carriers often carry actual life plasm to a new world, but not always. They sometimes organize the life patterns after arriving on the planet of assignment in accordance with formulas previously approved for a new adventure in life establishment. Such was the origin of the planetary life of Urantia.36:3:3 When, in accordance with approved formulas, the physical patterns have been provided, then do the Life Carriers catalyze this lifeless material, imparting through their persons the vital spirit spark; and forthwith do the inert patterns become living matter.I have no idea how you conclude that “some injustice was allowed to occur here”, etc. etc. washed their hands of it, etc. and put the blame on others. I have no idea what you are talking about.
If anything, the rebellion was more of an ethical battle, where I believe that all that Lucifer wanted is that the current rule of this planet attempt to fix the problems which the Life Carriers implanted.
The rebellion was not an ethical battle and the Life Carriers did not implant a problem that needed to be fixed. The Life Carriers implanted life 900,000,000 years ago under protocols and prior approvals.
57:8:7 900,000,000 years ago witnessed the arrival on Urantia of the first Satania scouting party sent out from Jerusem to examine the planet and make a report on its adaptation for a life-experiment station. This commission consisted of twenty-four members, embracing Life Carriers, Lanonandek Sons, Melchizedeks, seraphim, and other orders of celestial life having to do with the early days of planetary organization and administration.57:8:9 In due course arrangements for the planetary occupation were completed by the mixed commission of twelve on Jerusem and approved by the planetary commission of seventy on Edentia. These plans, proposed by the advisory counselors of the Life Carriers, were finally accepted on Salvington. Soon thereafter the Nebadon broadcasts carried the announcement that Urantia would become the stage whereon the Life Carriers would execute their sixtieth Satania experiment designed to amplify and improve the Satania type of the Nebadon life patterns.MidiChlorian wrote:
If this self rule would have been allowed, it would mean that someone would have to admit to their failures.Lucifer promulgated self-rule. That didn’t work out very well, did it? Look were he is now.53:4:2 Self-assertion was the battle cry of the Lucifer rebellion. One of his chief arguments was that, if self-government was good and right for the Melchizedeks and other groups, it was equally good for all orders of intelligence. He was bold and persistent in the advocacy of the “equality of mind” and “the brotherhood of intelligence.” He maintained that all government should be limited to the local planets and their voluntary confederation into the local systems. All other supervision he disallowed. He promised the Planetary Princes that they should rule the worlds as supreme executives. He denounced the location of legislative activities on the constellation headquarters and the conduct of judicial affairs on the universe capital. He contended that all these functions of government should be concentrated on the system capitals and proceeded to set up his own legislative assembly and organized his own tribunals under the jurisdiction of Satan. And he directed that the princes on the apostate worlds do the same.. . . the rebellion was more of an ethical battle,
No. It was a battle for eternal life. It was a battle to sustain every being present and future with the gift of free will choice to do the will of the Final Father, or not do it. Lucifer’s way would attempt to hijack the gift of free will choice.
53:5:7 But this war in heaven was very terrible and very real. While displaying none of the barbarities so characteristic of physical warfare on the immature worlds, this conflict was far more deadly; material life is in jeopardy in material combat, but the war in heaven was fought in terms of life eternal.I hope these selections add light, not heat, to the discussion. - Bradly wrote: I agree Sister Bonita….it’s a quandary. What is the appropriate response to darkness, insanity, confusion, and falsehood? And then, what is the better response? And the best response? These are worthy challenges for all students to consider in all forums and study groups.
I’m not sure I really know what’s best. Jesus said we’re supposed to shine our lights and keep salty (not to lose our savor, rather than the other definition). I guess we’re supposed to keep stating the facts and the truth, keep pointing out what’s really written in TUB. And I think, keep trying to explain it, although that makes some just argue more. But Jesus just ignored the channeling preacher. He didn’t try to explain anything to him, probably because he figured the guy’s mind wasn’t open to it. I’m getting the feeling that a lot of the folks who spew falsehoods about TUB aren’t open-minded either. Should we just ignore them like Jesus ignored the channeling preacher? I kinda like that approach, to be honest. And I’ll say, I think when these people use retaliation, retribution and revenge, they are revealing their true selves, and it ain’t pretty. Very disheartening, I agree.
Thanks Bonita wrote: & Bradly wrote: for being willing to bounce back today. I’ve quit trying to figure out what motivates someone. I do a lot of guessing, though, but I can’t analyze it.
On this topic, though, I’d like to analyze the word “recently” in the following reference.
67:4:7 The vast majority of all human and superhuman beings who were victims of the Lucifer rebellion on Jerusem and the various misled planets have long since heartily repented of their folly; and we truly believe that all such sincere penitents will in some manner be rehabilitated and restored to some phase of universe service when the Ancients of Days finally complete the adjudication of the affairs of the Satania rebellion, which they have so recently begun.The first hearing of Gabriel’s case began at the time of the presentation of the UB revelation.53:9:4 Satan could come to Urantia because you had no Son of standing in residence — neither Planetary Prince nor Material Son. Machiventa Melchizedek has since been proclaimed vicegerent Planetary Prince of Urantia, and the opening of the case of Gabriel vs. Lucifer has signalized the inauguration of temporary planetary regimes on all the isolated worlds. It is true that Satan did periodically visit Caligastia and others of the fallen princes right up to the time of the presentation of these revelations, when there occurred the first hearing of Gabriel’s plea for the annihilation of the archrebels. Satan is now unqualifiedly detained on the Jerusem prison worlds.And. . . .
54:4:8 But these mercy delays are not interminable. Notwithstanding the long delay (as time is reckoned on Urantia) in adjudicating the Lucifer rebellion, we may record that, during the time of effecting this revelation, the first hearing in the pending case of Gabriel vs. Lucifer was held on Uversa, and soon thereafter there issued the mandate of the Ancients of Days directing that Satan be henceforth confined to the prison world with Lucifer. This ends the ability of Satan to pay further visits to any of the fallen worlds of Satania. Justice in a mercy-dominated universe may be slow, but it is certain.“Recently” compared to what. . . 200,000 years ago?54:5.13 12. Time, even in a universe of time, is relative: If a Urantia mortal of average length of life should commit a crime which precipitated world-wide pandemonium, and if he were apprehended, tried, and executed within two or three days of the commission of the crime, would it seem a long time to you? And yet that would be nearer a comparison with the length of Lucifer’s life even if his adjudication, now begun, should not be completed for a hundred thousand Urantia years. The relative lapse of time from the viewpoint of Uversa, where the litigation is pending, could be indicated by saying that the crime of Lucifer was being brought to trial within two and a half seconds of its commission. From the Paradise viewpoint the adjudication is simultaneous with the enactment.
The above quote makes you think that even if the case was adjudicated in another 100,000 years, it would only seem like a few seconds to the celestials. I think by using the word recently they mean our time, which would have been around the time of the writing of TUB.
I wonder about the difference is isolation (and its sometime release) on worlds where the Prince and Garden did not join the rebellion. What is the effect of quarantine on more normal worlds who suffer System isolation but retained on planet leadership?
What would the end of adjudication actually mean to them….and to us?
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
What would the end of adjudication actually mean to them….and to us?
I’ve wondered the same thing Bradly. I imagine those worlds that cut themselves off from rebellion tainted planets like ours might benefit from our experience with rebellion just as much as we might benefit from their “normalcy”. But in all honesty, I’m not sure that it matters one bit to those of us living today. I don’t think any of us would even notice changes on the spiritual level, unless that is, you’re functioning on a really high spiritual plane . . . . who knows? Even then, I’m not sure it matters much to us at this point. We have all the work arounds we need, don’t you think?
I get the impression that some people think that once the Lucifer affair is adjudicated and the quarantines are lifted that we will suddenly be living on a “normal” world. That’s not gonna happen. I think we have to embrace our specialness and work cheerfully with what we have. Let’s face it, there’s no other world anywhere that can say Michael of Nebadon lived and died as a creature. So who needs quarantine lifting when you have that? I say we have the trump card and others will benefit from its lifting more than we will. This is the place!
- Bonita wrote: 54:5.13 12. Time, even in a universe of time, is relative: If a Urantia mortal of average length of life should commit a crime which precipitated world-wide pandemonium, and if he were apprehended, tried, and executed within two or three days of the commission of the crime, would it seem a long time to you? And yet that would be nearer a comparison with the length of Lucifer’s life even if his adjudication, now begun, should not be completed for a hundred thousand Urantia years. The relative lapse of time from the viewpoint of Uversa, where the litigation is pending, could be indicated by saying that the crime of Lucifer was being brought to trial within two and a half seconds of its commission. From the Paradise viewpoint the adjudication is simultaneous with the enactment.The above quote makes you think that even if the case was adjudicated in another 100,000 years, it would only seem like a few seconds to the celestials. I think by using the word recently they mean our time, which would have been around the time of the writing of TUB.Thanks for adding the above reference. I agree the word “recently” pertains to our time. Here is another time reference to ponder, concerning the work of our one-time Planetary Prince, Caligastia, who cast his lot with Lucifer’s schemes.49:5:23 With the emergence of human groupings, this Planetary Prince arrives to inaugurate human civilization and to focalize human society. Your world of confusion is no criterion of the early days of the reign of the Planetary Princes, for it was near the beginning of such an administration on Urantia that your Planetary Prince, Caligastia, cast his lot with the rebellion of the System Sovereign, Lucifer. Your planet has pursued a stormy course ever since.I am surprised to read it was near the beginning, i.e. after a period of 300,000 years, of Caligastia’s administration that he betrayed his trust. To me that’s a chunk of time, but Caligastia’s adminisration was young and Urantia was just developing. (66:3:3)Bradly wrote:I wonder about the difference is isolation (and its sometime release) on worlds where the Prince and Garden did not join the rebellion. What is the effect of quarantine on more normal worlds who suffer System isolation but retained on planet leadership?Maybe on those “normal” worlds in a system the people there have similar faith opportunities as we have. The rebellion was system-wide, and we’re informed Satania has not been restored to the Norlatiadek circuit. In this reference about Urantia the revelators use the subjunctive “even if.” They do not declare Urantia is retored to the system circuits.46:8:2 When Satania can return to the constellation fold, then will come up for consideration the readmission of the isolated worlds into the system family of inhabited planets, accompanied by their restoration to the spiritual communion of the realms. But even if Urantia were restored to the system circuits, you would still be embarrassed by the fact that your whole system rests under a Norlatiadek quarantine partially segregating it from all other systems.
What would the end of adjudication actually mean to them….and to us?
I suppose it depends upon how much of the history the rebellion from the beginning is revealed on the various worlds. The rise and fall of the Roman empire isn’t a good comparison, but it is part of world history though very unlike the Lucifer rebellion and the Caligastia betrayal which resulted in so much confusion here.
4:3:3 Much, very much, of the difficulty which Urantia mortals have in understanding God is due to the far-reaching consequences of the Lucifer rebellion and the Caligastia betrayal. On worlds not segregated by sin, the evolutionary races are able to formulate far better ideas of the Universal Father; they suffer less from confusion, distortion, and perversion of concept. Mara – I know you’re interest in the question is strictly scholarly, but many who find the issue most interesting demonstrate an impatient immaturity (IMO), even an obsession, which defies or conflicts with an important fact: there is much still to gain by both delay and transparency. There is no hurry or urgency so far as the universe rulers are concerned; all evil and iniquity and its negative influence has ended and is fully contained locally. While some may suffer somewhat, so many others gain so much by the time lag of mercy – the greatest good for the greatest number.
54:5.12 (618.1) 11. An emergency council of ex-mortals consisting of Mighty Messengers, glorified mortals who had had personal experience with like situations, together with their colleagues, was organized on Jerusem. They advised Gabriel that at least three times the number of beings would be led astray if arbitrary or summary methods of suppression were attempted. The entire Uversa corps of counselors concurred in advising Gabriel to permit the rebellion to take its full and natural course, even if it should require a million years to wind up the consequences.
54:6.5 (619.2) And there is compensation for these trials, delays, and disappointments which invariably accompany the sin of rebellion. Of the many valuable repercussions of the Lucifer rebellion which might be named, I will only call attention to the enhanced careers of those mortal ascenders, the Jerusem citizens, who, by withstanding the sophistries of sin, placed themselves in line for becoming future Mighty Messengers, fellows of my own order. Every being who stood the test of that evil episode thereby immediately advanced his administrative status and enhanced his spiritual worth.
54:6.7 (619.4) But such an extraordinary and beneficent harvest of wrongdoing could only be brought about by the wise, divine, and merciful attitude of all of Lucifer’s superiors, extending from the Constellation Fathers on Edentia to the Universal Father on Paradise. The passing of time has enhanced the consequential good to be derived from the Lucifer folly; and since the evil to be penalized was quite fully developed within a comparatively short time, it is apparent that the all-wise and farseeing universe rulers would be certain to extend the time in which to reap increasingly beneficial results. Regardless of the many additional reasons for delaying the apprehension and adjudication of the Satania rebels, this one gain would have been enough to explain why these sinners were not sooner interned, and why they have not been adjudicated and destroyed.
54:6.8 (619.5) Shortsighted and time-bound mortal minds should be slow to criticize the time delays of the farseeing and all-wise administrators of universe affairs.
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
- Bradly wrote: . . . all evil and iniquity and its negative influence has ended and is fully contained locally. While some may suffer somewhat, so many others gain so much by the time lag of mercy – the greatest good for the greatest number.I don’t think all evil and iniquity has ended. If it ALL ended, then there would be no use for free will. I think you mean the rebellion itself has ended, but that doesn’t mean that evil has ended. And I wonder, do some folks think that if the rebellion were adjudicated that all evil would end making Earth a paradise? And that begs the question: Does the potential for evil ever end?Time-limited evil is the way that TUB describes it, and we’re told that time-limited evil has ultimate, if not immediate, benefits. We’re also told that we won’t understand that until somewhere along our ascension career when it becomes an actual experience. I’ve found myself thinking about that. What has happened in my life that could be considered time-limited evil (imperfection) that has brought me and others good? As I ponder it, I realize there is an amazing amount of truth in in that, which comes mostly from recognizing evil and dealing with it, doing something.But as I see it, if you allow your mind to be clouded by anger, victimhood and resentment, there’s no way to reap those benefits, let alone see them. Maybe that’s why forgiveness works the way it does . . . don’t know. Bottom line is, I think the celestials know what they’re doing and I trust them. If they want to take a zillion years to adjudicate, fine. If it happened last Thursday, fine. Either way, it won’t end evil nor the benefits we gain from recognizing and dealing with it.
Bradly wrote: . . . all evil and iniquity and its negative influence has ended and is fully contained locally. While some may suffer somewhat, so many others gain so much by the time lag of mercy – the greatest good for the greatest number.
Bonita replies: I don’t think all evil and iniquity has ended. If it ALL ended, then there would be no use for free will. I think you mean the rebellion itself has ended, but that doesn’t mean that evil has ended. And I wonder, do some folks think that if the rebellion were adjudicated that all evil would end making Earth a paradise? And that begs the question: Does the potential for evil ever end?
Yes indeed Bonita….I should not have used the term “evil” at all. The iniquity of the rebels themselves has ended or been fully contained but the repercussions of sin and potential for evil surely remain. The repercussions though have been over shadowed by more than a thousands times as much good and benefit by the time delays of mercy and that potential still accrues value and meaning for all in Nebadon I think. As you say, the potential for evil/error is inherent in the reality of free will and experience.
I think that as long as love and mercy continues to reap this harvest of benefits, the longer it takes to adjudicate, the better….if not for all, still the greatest good for the greatest number is being demonstrated by such patience in full view as witnesses to mercy and love and loyalty watch this unfold over time and see the rebels remain in defiance and filled with self….self importance and self love, in direct conflict with reality. The sanctity of free will is maintained and upheld…as are its full potential. The wisdom of our universe rulers is on display for all to see.
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
I don’t think all evil and iniquity has ended.
I agree.
163:2:8 Thus always it was and forever will be: Men must arrive at their own decisions. There is a certain range of the freedom of choice which mortals may exercise. The forces of the spiritual world will not coerce man; they allow him to go the way of his own choosing.The system of Satania is not yet built out. (15:14:5) I can’t imagine the number of future ascenders yet to pass through mansonia in pursuit of the Paradise career. Anyone can decline survival.
54:6:9 One error of human thinking respecting these problems consists in the idea that all evolutionary mortals on an evolving planet would choose to enter upon the Paradise career if sin had not cursed their world. The ability to decline survival does not date from the times of the Lucifer rebellion. Mortal man has always possessed the endowment of freewill choice regarding the Paradise career.
Perfect beings are not bothered by contrastive choice stimulus, because they inherently identify and choose good by design. (35:16) Not so with us ascenders.5:1:11 Mortal man may draw near God and may repeatedly forsake the divine will so long as the power of choice remains. Man’s final doom is not sealed until he has lost the power to choose the Father’s will. There is never a closure of the Father’s heart to the need and the petition of his children. Only do his offspring close their hearts forever to the Father’s drawing power when they finally and forever lose the desire to do his divine will — to know him and to be like him. Likewise is man’s eternal destiny assured when Adjuster fusion proclaims to the universe that such an ascender has made the final and irrevocable choice to live the Father’s will.Can rebellion again occur in Satania or in our local Universe? Since Michael’s seventh bestowal on Urantia, it would be swiftly dealt with. I could happen.134:8:9 On an afternoon in late summer, amid the trees and in the silence of nature, Michael of Nebadon won the unquestioned sovereignty of his universe. On that day he completed the task set for Creator Sons to live to the full the incarnated life in the likeness of mortal flesh on the evolutionary worlds of time and space. The universe announcement of this momentous achievement was not made until the day of his baptism, months afterward, but it all really took place that day on the mountain. And when Jesus came down from his sojourn on Mount Hermon, the Lucifer rebellion in Satania and the Caligastia secession on Urantia were virtually settled. Jesus had paid the last price required of him to attain the sovereignty of his universe, which in itself regulates the status of all rebels and determines that all such future upheavals (if they ever occur) may be dealt with summarily and effectively. Accordingly, it may be seen that the so-called “great temptation” of Jesus took place sometime before his baptism and not just after that event.118:7:5 Iniquity in the finite domains reveals the transient reality of all God-unidentified selfhood. Only as a creature becomes God identified, does he become truly real in the universes. Finite personality is not self-created, but in the superuniverse arena of choice it does self-determine destiny.- MidiChlorian wrote: If one remembers that Lucifer indicated by saying that the ascension plan was perceived as being too extensive because he indicated that soul’s where being translated back to their place of origin within three days or periods.
Lucifer did not say souls “were being translated back to their place of origin within three days or periods.” He did condemn the entire mortal ascension plan. He said that finaliters were “debauched” and “they were in reality traitors to their fellow mortals” because they were cooperating with the scheme of enslaving all creation to the fictions of a mythical eternal destiny for ascending mortals – eternal life. He said individuals “should enjoy the liberty of individual self-determination.”
53:3:6 3. The attack upon the universal plan of ascendant mortal training. Lucifer maintained that far too much time and energy were expended upon the scheme of so thoroughly training ascending mortals in the principles of universe administration, principles which he alleged were unethical and unsound. He protested against the agelong program for preparing the mortals of space for some unknown destiny and pointed to the presence of the finaliter corps on Jerusem as proof that these mortals had spent ages of preparation for some destiny of pure fiction. With derision he pointed out that the finaliters had encountered a destiny no more glorious than to be returned to humble spheres similar to those of their origin. He intimated that they had been debauched by overmuch discipline and prolonged training, and that they were in reality traitors to their mortal fellows since they were now co-operating with the scheme of enslaving all creation to the fictions of a mythical eternal destiny for ascending mortals. He advocated that ascenders should enjoy the liberty of individual self-determination. He challenged and condemned the entire plan of mortal ascension as sponsored by the Paradise Sons of God and supported by the Infinite Spirit.MidiChlorian wrote: . . . thereby indicating it was only a war in heaven and a rebellion on “immature worlds” like Urantia.The revelators name the widespread upheaval that happened 200,000 years ago in the system of Satania “The Lucifer Rebellion.” They did not call it the lucifer war or the lucifer war-in-heaven. The Planetary Princes of thirty-seven inhabited planets in Satania were seduced by the sophistries of Lucifer.53:7:1 The Lucifer rebellion was system wide. Thirty-seven seceding Planetary Princes swung their world administrations largely to the side of the archrebel. Only on Panoptia did the Planetary Prince fail to carry his people with him. On this world, under the guidance of the Melchizedeks, the people rallied to the support of Michael. Ellanora, a young woman of that mortal realm, grasped the leadership of the human races, and not a single soul on that strife-torn world enlisted under the Lucifer banner. And ever since have these loyal Panoptians served on the seventh Jerusem transition world as the caretakers and builders on the Father’s sphere and its surrounding seven detention worlds. The Panoptians not only act as the literal custodians of these worlds, but they also execute the personal orders of Michael for the embellishment of these spheres for some future and unknown use. They do this work as they tarry en route to Edentia.MidiChlorian wrote: Although what puzzles me a little is that they came to “a final decision”, and based on the indication that this was a “discussion” or debate, it might seem that this decision might have been to agree to disagree?I think it would help to comprehend “who” was listening to the back and forth discussion. Who were they who arrived at a final decision? The various personalities present where the discussion was taking place!53:5:6 [. . .] In the early days of the struggle Lucifer held forth continuously in the planetary amphitheater. Gabriel conducted an unceasing exposure of the rebel sophistries from his headquarters taken up near at hand. The various personalities present on the sphere who were in doubt as to their attitude would journey back and forth between these discussions until they arrived at a final decision.The discussions and decisions took seven years. It was necessary to let the rebellion fully develop, and it was necessary to provide every opportunity, full and free, for every being to make their own final complete decision – a mature and deliberate choice re The Lucifer Declaration of Liberty.54:5:10 9. On Jerusem the personal representative of the Supreme Executive of Orvonton counseled Gabriel to foster full opportunity for every living creature to mature a deliberate choice in those matters involved in the Lucifer Declaration of Liberty. The issues of rebellion having been raised, the Paradise emergency adviser of Gabriel portrayed that, if such full and free opportunity were not given all Norlatiadek creatures, then would the Paradise quarantine against all such possible halfhearted or doubt-stricken creatures be extended in self-protection against the entire constellation. To keep open the Paradise doors of ascension to the beings of Norlatiadek, it was necessary to provide for the full development of rebellion and to insure the complete determination of attitude on the part of all beings in any way concerned therewith.67:2:6 For more than seven years this struggle continued. Not until every personality concerned had made a final decision, would or did the authorities of Edentia interfere or intervene. Not until then did Van and his loyal associates receive vindication and release from their prolonged anxiety and intolerable suspense.67:3:10 There is no end to the recital of the stirring events of these tragic days. But at last the finaldecision of the last personality was made, and then, but only then, did a Most High of Edentia arrive with the emergency Melchizedeks to seize authority on Urantia. The Caligastia panoramic reign-records on Jerusem were obliterated, and the probationary era of planetary rehabilitation was inaugurated.MidiChlorian wrote: It also indicates that the main conflict was that the Creator Son’s “authority had been challenged.” But,what authority did he have if he had not executed his final sojourn in order to become full sovereign of his universe?I am happy to bring to your attention, Midi, the one and only chief executive and actual administrator of Nebadon -Gabriel of Salvington. He, Gabriel, conducted an unceasing exposure of the rebel sophistries of Lucifer for seven years on the capital of Satania when the rebellion brokeout. BTW the entire judicial mechanism of Nebadon is under his supervision. (33:7:2) Do I need to go back and review all this for you Midi? I thought you were a long-time reader.33:6:1 Gabriel is the chief executive and actual administrator of Nebadon. Michael’s absence from Salvington in no way interferes with the orderly conduct of universe affairs. During the absence of Michael, as recently on the mission of reunion of Orvonton Master Sons on Paradise, Gabriel is the regent of the universe. At such times Gabriel always seeks the counsel of Immanuel of Salvington regarding all major problems.33:4:6 Gabriel is the chief officer of execution for superuniverse mandates relating to nonpersonal affairs in the local universe. Most matters pertaining to mass judgment and dispensational resurrections, adjudicated by the Ancients of Days, are also delegated to Gabriel and his staff for execution. Gabriel is thus the combined chief executive of both the super- and the local universe rulers. He has at his command an able corps of administrative assistants, created for their special work, who are unrevealed to evolutionary mortals. In addition to these assistants, Gabriel may employ any and all of the orders of celestial beings functioning in Nebadon, and he is also the commander in chief of “the armies of heaven” — the celestial hosts.MidiChlorian wrote: Might it have been that there were others who were acting on his behalf, and that their actions might not have been according to the understood plan?Gabriel is the regent of the universe – the entire universe of Nebadon. He’s in charge when our Creator Son is absent. He functions as the personal representative of the Sovereign Son (Michael) and as spokesman for his creative consort (Creative Spirit). He even accompanied Michael on his Urantia bestowal. And among other responsibilities,Gabriel is the “supreme commander of the armies of heaven,” the chief executive of the Sovereign of Nebadon, “the Lord God of hosts.” Look it up. “All Planetary Princes are under the universe administrative jurisdiction of Gabriel, the chief executive of Michael, while in immediate authority they are subject to the executive mandates of the System Sovereigns.” And there is much more about Gabriel to discover in the book.MidiChlorian wrote: We do know that Michael was hesitant in making specific decisions or actions regarding the Rebellion, and that it was primarily “Gabriel volunteered to act as the representative of the Creator Son,” but why did he need to volunteer?The CEO of a company delegates responsibility. Gabriel was delegated to speak for Michael.53:4:6 Gabriel was personally present throughout all these disloyal proceedings and only announced that he would, in due time, speak for Michael, and that all beings would be left free and unmolested in their choice; that the “government of the Sons for the Father desired only that loyalty and devotion which was voluntary, wholehearted, and sophistry-proof.”MidiChlorian wrote: Wouldn’t someone with authority, direct someone to represent them, or perform their own counter-challenge?Someone with authority did represent Michael and perform the counter-challenge to the sophistries of Lucifer on the system capital. Gabriel did.MidiChlorian wrote: One must keep in mind that regardless of what was or was not decided on Jerusem, any adjudication of this type, would not be valid and would need to be presented before “supergovernment” at the superuniverse courts.Yes, exactly. The Ancients of Days on Uversa, the capital of our superuniverse, adjudicates the Lucifer rebellion.MidiChlorian wrote: Although if I’m not mistaken much of the evidence had conveniently gone missing from Jerusem? So, what would need to be done in order to keep from having a mistrial?Recordkeepping is a big deal throughout the universe and universe of universes. There are real, living records. Universe beings can’t fake their way to a mistrial. Mercy is offered. Justice prevails. There are no do-overs. Can’t run; can’t hide.17:3:6 The formal records of the universes are passed up by and through the angelic recorders, but the true spiritual records are assembled by reflectivity and are preserved in the minds of suitable and appropriate personalities belonging to the family of the Infinite Spirit. These are the live records in contrast with the formal and dead records of the universe, and they are perfectly preserved in the living minds of the recording personalities of the Infinite Spirit.25:5:2 The recording angels of the inhabited planets are the source of all individual records. Throughout the universes other recorders function regarding both formal records and living records. From Urantia to Paradise, both recordings are encountered: in a local universe, more of the written records and less of the living; on Paradise, more of the living and less of the formal; on Uversa, both are equally available.28:6:5 2. The Memory of Mercy. These are the actual, full and replete, living records of the mercy which has been extended to individuals and races by the tender ministrations of the instrumentalities of the Infinite Spirit in the mission of adapting the justice of righteousness to the status of the realms, as disclosed by the portrayals of the Significance of Origins. The Memory of Mercy discloses the moral debt of the children of mercy — their spiritual liabilities — to be set down against their assets of the saving provision established by the Sons of God. In revealing the Father’s pre-existent mercy, the Sons of God establish the necessary credit to insure the survival of all. And then, in accordance with the findings of the Significance of Origins, a mercy credit is established for the survival of each rational creature, a credit of lavish proportions and one of sufficient grace to insure the survival of every soul who really desires divine citizenship.28:6:6 The Memory of Mercy is a living trial balance, a current statement of your account with the supernatural forces of the realms. These are the living records of mercy ministration which are read into the testimony of the courts of Uversa when each individual’s right to unending life comes up for adjudication, when “thrones are cast up and the Ancients of Days are seated. The broadcasts of Uversa issue and come forth from before them; thousands upon thousands minister to them, and ten thousand times ten thousand stand before them. The judgment is set, and the books are opened.” And the books which are opened on such a momentous occasion are the living records of the tertiary seconaphim of the superuniverses. The formal records are on file to corroborate the testimony of the Memories of Mercy if they are required.MidiChlorian wrote: . . . regardless of the lack of facts presented in the UB.Yeah, but let’s get it right. Shall we? When I asked the question, “Does potential evil ever end?” I was thinking of this quote:
p1458:3 132:2.6 As you ascend the universe scale of creature development, you will find increasing goodness and diminishing evil in perfect accordance with your capacity for goodness-experience and truth-discernment. The ability to entertain error or experience evil will not be fully lost until the ascending human soul achieves final spirit levels.
What do you suppose they mean by “final spirit levels”?
What do you suppose they mean by “final spirit levels”?
I was thinking of the seventh jubilee. (27:7:8) But here is one about the impossibility of the emergence of even the concept of potential evil by virtue of the finality of choice for goodness, etc.
132:3:8 Spiritual evolution is an experience of the increasing and voluntary choice of goodness attended by an equal and progressive diminution of the possibility of evil. With the attainment of finality of choice for goodness and of completed capacity for truth appreciation, there comes into existence a perfection of beauty and holiness whose righteousness eternally inhibits the possibility of the emergence of even the concept of potential evil. Such a God-knowing soul casts no shadow of doubting evil when functioning on such a high spirit level of divine goodness.The earliest spirit level is fusion with one’s TA and surety of survival, never-ending life.40:8:1 While practically all surviving mortals are fused with their Adjusters on one of the mansion worlds or immediately upon their arrival on the higher morontia spheres, there are certain cases of delayed fusion, some not experiencing this final surety of survival until they reach the last educational worlds of the universe headquarters; and a few of these mortal candidates for never-ending life utterly fail to attain identity fusion with their faithful Adjusters.109:3:4 On worlds such as Urantia (the series three group) there is a real betrothal with the divine gifts, a life and death engagement. If you survive, there is to be an eternal union, an everlasting fusion, the making of man and Adjuster one being.110:1:6 Today you are passing through the period of the courtship of your Adjuster; and if you only prove faithful to the trust reposed in you by the divine spirit who seeks your mind and soul in eternal union, there will eventually ensue that morontia oneness, that supernal harmony, that cosmic co-ordination, that divine attunement, that celestial fusion, that never-ending blending of identity, that oneness of being which is so perfect and final that even the most experienced personalities can never segregate or recognize as separate identities the fusion partners — mortal man and divine Adjuster.You get a new name too, and choose your career path.47:8:5 Immediately upon the confirmation of Adjuster fusion the new morontia being is introduced to his fellows for the first time by his new name and is granted the forty days of spiritual retirement from all routine activities wherein to commune with himself and to choose some one of the optional routes to Havona and to select from the differential techniques of Paradise attainment.I think final levels have to do with jubilees beyond adjuster fusion. I think fusion, when the survival decisions are made, confers immunity from evil.112:7:14 With Adjuster fusion the Universal Father has completed his promise of the gift of himself to his material creatures; he has fulfilled the promise, and consummated the plan, of the eternal bestowal of divinity upon humanity. Now begins the human attempt to realize and to actualize the limitless possibilities that are inherent in the supernal partnership with God which has thus factualized.112:7:6 On the evolutionary worlds, selfhood is material; it is a thing in the universe and as such is subject to the laws of material existence. It is a fact in time and is responsive to the vicissitudes thereof. Survival decisions must here be formulated. In the morontia state the self has become a new and more enduring universe reality, and its continuing growth is predicated on its increasing attunement to the mind and spirit circuits of the universes. Survival decisions are now being confirmed. When the self attains the spiritual level, it has become a secure value in the universe, and this new value is predicated upon the fact that survival decisions have been made, which fact has been witnessed by eternal fusion with the Thought Adjuster. And having achieved the status of a true universe value, the creature becomes liberated in potential for the seeking of the highest universe value — God.There appears to be seven jubilees up until the time we become finaliters. Then there is a whole new set of jubilees, the jubilees of eternity. But is the seventh stage in the following quote the final stage of the jubilees of eternity? It would seem so. Are there seven more jubilees after that? They don’t mention it, but I suppose it goes on forever.
19:2.5 The Perfectors of Wisdom will always require this complement of experiential wisdom for the completion of their administrative sagacity. But it has been postulated that a high and hitherto unattained level of wisdom may possibly be achieved by the Paradise finaliters after they are sometime inducted into the seventh stage of spirit existence. If this inference is correct, then would such perfected beings of evolutionary ascent undoubtedly become the most effective universe administrators ever to be known in all creation. I believe that such is the high destiny of finaliters.
It does appear that gains in experiential wisdom keep happening, but I’m wondering if the presence of potential evil is necessary at the seventh jubilee of eternity. I would think not, but it’s just a guess. If evil is a synonym for incomplete, then I can see where it would exist. I suppose the meaning of evil changes in some fashion as we progress through eternity.
130:4.11 Error (evil) is not an actual universe quality; it is simply the observation of a relativity in the relatedness of the imperfection of the incomplete finite to the ascending levels of the Supreme and Ultimate.
