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Architectural Worlds

86 posts · 6 participants · started Aug 15, 2022, 6:09 PM

BradlyParticipant
May 17, 2026, 4:02 AM

rhermen wrote:

What if gravity on architectural worlds is generated by artificial means? They could be hollow or any size required by the “unseen” spiritual administration of a far-flung universe. For example, a Planetary Prince might be given a very small architectural world as the location of his administration orbiting the world of his assignment. Where is Jerusem relative to Urantia according to The Urantia Book? It’s difficult to describe “location” of morontia objects because matter is so diffuse compared to ours in that realm.

Me here: It is not at all or in any way “difficult to describe “location” of morontia objects”! Every place in the universe of universes has a very real and precise location.

Paradise does too!

11:1.2 (118.4)God dwells, has dwelt, and everlastingly will dwell in this same central and eternal abode. We have always found him there and always will. The Universal Father is cosmically focalized, spiritually personalized, and geographically resident at this center of the universe of universes.

11:1.3 (118.5)We all know the direct course to pursue to find the Universal Father. You are not able to comprehend much about the divine residence because of its remoteness from you and the immensity of the intervening space, but those who are able to comprehend the meaning of these enormous distances know God’s location and residence just as certainly and literally as you know the location of New York, London, Rome, or Singapore, cities definitely and geographically located on Urantia. If you were an intelligent navigator, equipped with ship, maps, and compass, you could readily find these cities. Likewise, if you had the time and means of passage, were spiritually qualified, and had the necessary guidance, you could be piloted through universe upon universe and from circuit to circuit, ever journeying inward through the starry realms, until at last you would stand before the central shining of the spiritual glory of the Universal Father. Provided with all the necessities for the journey, it is just as possible to find the personal presence of God at the center of all things as to find distant cities on your own planet. That you have not visited these places in no way disproves their reality or actual existence. That so few of the universe creatures have found God on Paradise in no way disproves either the reality of his existence or the actuality of his spiritual person at the center of all things.

Me here: Same with every single Architectural Sphere in the universes of time! Spatial coordinates and definitive locations easily found by all who need to know or come to visit.

You appear to be inventing things here to support your personal beliefs which contradict the text. Where does it say or infer that any Planetary Prince might ever, under any circumstances, “…be given a small architectural world as the location of his administration”?????!!!!!

Where does it say architectural spheres are hollow?? Who or what is the “unseen” spiritual administration??

The UB clearly states that the architectural spheres are created billions of years before the material, evolutionary worlds. We cannot make the UB say what we want it to say. It says what it says and doesn’t say what it does not. Illogical fantasies about the Papers are no substitute for serious inquiry and research of their actual contents.

I recommend you consider reading the text and asking questions about the text, rather than posting such obvious contradictions of the text. What is the purpose or agenda for such misrepresentation? Such claims show a certain disregard for the very text you cite.

It appears you may only seek some textual confirmation for personal beliefs and prejudices rather than seeking understanding or any discussion of the actual contents of the Papers.

15:7.12 (175.3)If all the projected local universes and their component parts were established, there would be slightly less than five hundred billion architectural worlds in the seven superuniverses.

Me here: 500 billion architectural spheres for 7 trillion evolutionary inhabited worlds (70 +/- per System). The architectural spheres come first, billions of years prior to evolutionary worlds.

Paper 15 offers much regarding gravity throughout the 7 Super Universes.

"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
BradlyParticipant
May 17, 2026, 1:23 PM

rhermen wrote:

If I told you there is scientific evidence to suggest the moon is hollow, would you believe it? Or would you prefer to read about it in The Sixth Epochal Revelation because a very small architectural world may be a lot closer than we realize. If this is true, it may explain where The Urantia Book really came from and we probably won’t be allowed to leave our sandbox unless or until we learn to let go of our war-like tendencies.

No…I wouldn’t believe it. Pure farce and fantasy…according to the Papers (oh yeah, and science!). Indeed, there is no such thing anywhere in the universes of time among the evolutionary worlds according to the text we study here by either quote or inference. Just the opposite in fact.

And where, exactly, are you claiming “the Urantia Book really came from”?

Are we “leaving” this “sandbox”??

To go where? And for what? Who leaves their sandbox ever, anywhere? I wonder if perhaps the sandbox becomes as large as our wisdom and our capacity? We are reminded you cannot fit a quart into a pint.

Have you not read about the glorious and inevitable destiny of each and every one of the 7 trillion evolutionary inhabited worlds? You sound so disappointed about Urantia’s planetary progress and trajectory from slime to the sublime.

Have you not read about our progressive social enlightenment and spiritualization in the Papers? The “unless and until” is in the very capable hands of The Most Highs and their brilliant servants of planetary progress.

Words matter. They often express more than we say. They reveal our perspective and attitudes about reality, in subtle ways perhaps but discernible nonetheless.

Personally, that’s one of the best things about the Papers I think: the contents weave a tapestry and deliver a symphony that are far more than colors and threads and instruments and notes on paper. They reveal a celestial perspective of God’s friendly universe and destiny of the children of time.

We are taught to be anxious about nothing and to joyfully seek and express the truth, beauty, and goodness that surround us. And so then might we also contribute to personal, planetary, and universal progress!

We are all leaving this sandbox! One at a time! Perhaps we should make the most of our time here by sharing our faith in God’s purpose and plan for us each and all, as so well presented in the Papers we study together here. ❤️

"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
MaraParticipant
May 17, 2026, 4:19 PM
Let’s take a new direction in the discussion. What did Jesus have to say about science? In recalling that a pint cannot hold a quart, I remind myself of my own limitations. Put yourself in the sandals of this Greek philosopher.

133:5.0 5. At Athens — Discourse on Science

^133:5.1 They shortly arrived at the olden center of Greek science and learning, and Ganid was thrilled with the thought of being in Athens, of being in Greece, the cultural center of the onetime Alexandrian empire, which had extended its borders even to his own land of India. There was little business to transact; so Gonod spent most of his time with Jesus and Ganid, visiting the many points of interest and listening to the interesting discussions of the lad and his versatile teacher.

^133:5.2 A great university still thrived in Athens, and the trio made frequent visits to its halls of learning. Jesus and Ganid had thoroughly discussed the teachings of Plato when they attended the lectures in the museum at Alexandria. They all enjoyed the art of Greece, examples of which were still to be found here and there about the city.

^133:5.3 Both the father and the son greatly enjoyed the discussion on science which Jesus had at their inn one evening with a Greek philosopher. After this pedant had talked for almost three hours, and when he had finished his discourse, Jesus, in terms of modern thought, said:

^133:5.4 Scientists may some day measure the energy, or force manifestations, of gravitation, light, and electricity, but these same scientists can never (scientifically) tell you what these universe phenomena are. Science deals with physical-energy activities; religion deals with eternal values. True philosophy grows out of the wisdom which does its best to correlate these quantitative and qualitative observations. There always exists the danger that the purely physical scientist may become afflicted with mathematical pride and statistical egotism, not to mention spiritual blindness.

^133:5.5 Logic is valid in the material world, and mathematics is reliable when limited in its application to physical things; but neither is to be regarded as wholly dependable or infallible when applied to life problems. Life embraces phenomena which are not wholly material. Arithmetic says that, if one man could shear a sheep in ten minutes, ten men could shear it in one minute. That is sound mathematics, but it is not true, for the ten men could not so do it; they would get in one another’s way so badly that the work would be greatly delayed.

^133:5.6 Mathematics asserts that, if one person stands for a certain unit of intellectual and moral value, ten persons would stand for ten times this value. But in dealing with human personality it would be nearer the truth to say that such a personality association is a sum equal to the square of the number of personalities concerned in the equation rather than the simple arithmetical sum. A social group of human beings in co-ordinated working harmony stands for a force far greater than the simple sum of its parts.

^133:5.7 Quantity may be identified as a fact, thus becoming a scientific uniformity. Quality, being a matter of mind interpretation, represents an estimate of values, and must, therefore, remain an experience of the individual. When both science and religion become less dogmatic and more tolerant of criticism, philosophy will then begin to achieve unity in the intelligent comprehension of the universe.

^133:5.8 There is unity in the cosmic universe if you could only discern its workings in actuality. The real universe is friendly to every child of the eternal God. The real problem is: How can the finite mind of man achieve a logical, true, and corresponding unity of thought? This universe-knowing state of mind can be had only by conceiving that the quantitative fact and the qualitative value have a common causation in the Paradise Father. Such a conception of reality yields a broader insight into the purposeful unity of universe phenomena; it even reveals a spiritual goal of progressive personality achievement. And this is a concept of unity which can sense the unchanging background of a living universe of continually changing impersonal relations and evolving personal relationships.

^133:5.9 Matter and spirit and the state intervening between them [0:5.12] are three interrelated and interassociated levels of the true unity of the real universe. Regardless of how divergent the universe phenomena of fact and value may appear to be, they are, after all, unified in the Supreme.

^133:5.10 Reality of material existence attaches to unrecognized energy as well as to visible matter. When the energies of the universe are so slowed down that they acquire the requisite degree of motion, then, under favorable conditions, these same energies become mass. And forget not, the mind which can alone perceive the presence of apparent realities is itself also real. And the fundamental cause of this universe of energy-mass, mind, and spirit, is eternal — it exists and consists in the nature and reactions of the Universal Father and his absolute co-ordinates.

^133:5.11 They were all more than astounded at the words of Jesus, and when the Greek took leave of them, he said: “At last my eyes have beheld a Jew who thinks something besides racial superiority and talks something besides religion.” And they retired for the night.

“If the so-called science or religion of any age is false, then must it either purify its activities or pass away before the emergence of a material science or spiritual religion of a truer and more worthy order.”

132:1.4 [Part IV]

The materialistic scientist and the extreme idealist are destined always to be at loggerheads. This is not true of those scientists and idealists who are in possession of a common standard of high moral values and spiritual test levels. In every age scientists and religionists must recognize that they are on trial before the bar of human need. They must eschew all warfare between themselves while they strive valiantly to justify their continued survival by enhanced devotion to the service of human progress. If the so-called science or religion of any age is false, then must it either purify its activities or pass away before the emergence of a material science or spiritual religion of a truer and more worthy order.
MaraParticipant
May 17, 2026, 7:39 PM
Neither the avowed religionist nor the avowed atheist can demonstrate with proof positive to the complete satisfaction of the other of the veracity of his/her respective convictions. I am not bothered by people who reject him. I have no idea whether a person loves or rejects God, nor whether she/he is on the fence. Really, it’s none of my business. It’s not my job to convert someone. I admit to being repelled by individuals who want to convert me. I am a religionist. I love to find ways to fellowship with others in spite of doctrinal differences. Never have I conversed in depth with an atheist. With scientists who poo-poo religion, yes.

100:1.7 Religion cannot be bestowed, received, loaned, learned, or lost. It is a personal experience which grows proportionally to the growing quest for final values. Cosmic growth thus attends on the accumulation of meanings and the ever-expanding elevation of values. But nobility itself is always an unconscious growth.

1:2.8 [Part I]

Those who know God have experienced the fact of his presence; such God-knowing mortals hold in their personal experience the only positive proof of the existence of the living God which one human being can offer to another. The existence of God is utterly beyond all possibility of demonstration except for the contact between the God-consciousness of the human mind and the God-presence of the Thought Adjuster that indwells the mortal intellect and is bestowed upon man as the free gift of the Universal Father.

I do think the business of this forum is about the multi-faceted Urantia Book. The revelators have made plain to readers that the cosmology in the book, as regards the discoveries of science, is evolving. The satisfaction of finite proof of it is elsewhere.

103:7.10 [Part III]

In the mortal state, nothing can be absolutely proved; both science and religion are predicated on assumptions. On the morontia level, the postulates of both science and religion are capable of partial proof by mota logic. On the spiritual level of maximum status, the need for finite proof gradually vanishes before the actual experience of and with reality; but even then there is much beyond the finite that remains unproved.
BradlyParticipant
May 21, 2026, 2:32 PM
Nice posts Mara. The picture of 10 men shearing a sheep in 1 minute is a hilarious analogy for a farm boy! Jesus had such a talent for creating mind pictures filled with truth.

Regarding athiests and agnostics, my understanding of the Papers is that our beliefs, disbelief, lack of beliefs, and the accuracy or inaccuracies of our beliefs does not define, determine, or especially limit any mortals true religious experience or spiritization.

It really is our personality response to the Deity Connections almost every human has within that delivers the birth and growth of soul in this life on the worlds of birth/origin.

Anyone who gives love or demonstrates kindness, mercy, forgiveness, generosity, loyalty, duty, patience, and forbearance has demonstrated their response to the Spirit and Divine Connections so lavishly bestowed upon the children of time.

Call yourself believer or atheist, it hardly matters. What is measured is the response to the Spirit and all responses to Spirit deliver the Fruits of the Spirit.

Or so I understand the Papers to teach us.

"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
BradlyParticipant
Jul 2, 2026, 12:58 PM

Bradly wrote:

The UB teaches that every personal experience and expression of love, truth, beauty, and goodness is an eternal actualization of potential that becomes a cause of future effects. Personal spiritization and experiential wisdom contributes to social evolutionary progress, including local, planetary, and universal progress. Such spiritization also contributes to the progressive actualization of God the Supreme. Existential wisdom is perfected even more so by experiential wisdom as well. Individual ascenders (mortals and celestials) contribute to universe evolutionary perfecting by our own personal spiritization. Freewill experiential wisdom by each part contributes to the perfecting of the whole. Or so I understand the Papers to teach. I’ll add some supporting quotes!! There’s lots of them… = )

Here’s one example to consider.

114:2.1 (1251.4)Since the times of Michael’s bestowal on your world the general management of Urantia has been intrusted to a special group on Jerusem of twenty-four onetime Urantians. Qualification for membership on this commission is unknown to us, but we have observed that those who have been thus commissioned have all been contributors to the enlarging sovereignty of the Supreme in the system of Satania. By nature they were all real leaders when they functioned on Urantia, and (excepting Machiventa Melchizedek) these qualities of leadership have been further augmented by mansion world experience and supplemented by the training of Jerusem citizenship. ……

Me here: Individual experiential wisdom and spiritization transcends the personal level to affect the community and planetary and universal levels of reality and destiny realization. This includes contributory effects to and for Experiential Deity!

All experiences and expressions of truth, beauty, goodness, and of love, kindness, generosity, mercy, forgiveness, and service contributes to universal evolutionary progress.

The children of time exist in a reality where potentials are realized (or reality-ized) by experiential wisdom and spiritization. But not only are potentials made real, new potentials are created by that realization or reality-ization of potentials. What was once only potential is made real and actual with new potentials created by that very evolutionary and progressive reality.

This is huge. Certainly a teaching of significant differentiation from any reality perspectives I have ever known about.

The children of time matter. Not just to God as the cherished children of God. But we matter to one another in profound ways too. We also matter as co-creators of the future of universe experiential destiny!

"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

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