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Adjutant Mind-Spirits

149 posts · 9 participants · started Sep 15, 2014, 4:50 PM

  1. Finally, it might be better to quote my words rather than put words in my mouth: “….this non-soul, as you would put it….” – actually I’ve never used that term in my life so I wouldn’t put it that way at all. I appreciate your efforts to understand me but no reason to misquote or misrepresent my words which does not reflect well on any discussion or debate or research on this or any topic.

    Bradly, are you so naïve to think that your remark above was not meant as an insult, where if I were to have quoted you I would have put quotes around “non-soul” but is it not you who insisted that I present text, which could question your emphatic interpretations within the UB, where I could have taken those phrases which you underlined within UB quotes which if examined and applied to context and grammar would show the same persistence to show me the error of my ways, or the correctness of your ways or abilities.  But, the use of non-soul, was used in the context whereby to support your belief that a soul cannot exist prior to its “birth” as literally indicated in the UB.  Therefore, to someone who is emphatic that prior to this event, there is no possibility of a soul, what would I assume that you would call it, the maybe-soul.

    It took about a week cataloging all appearances and variations associated with the word “soul” in the UB, and I came up with many interesting associations, but not all can be associated as static variations of its use.  Also, I have found that the UB contradicts itself in many ways by the use of a similar phrase used for the same intention, where this contradiction seemed to be deliberate in order to tie specific subjects together for the purpose of explaining specific subjects which would or had not been explained in detail.  As I said before I am very good at recognizing patterns, and I’m not blowing my own horn, I was tested, using tests which were designed to not be complete-able, and having finished with 20 minutes to spare with an accuracy rating of over 99.5% which even surprised me.  I see things that others would not see.  So, my persistence is not to get you to change your mind but only to get you understand why I think the way I do, regardless of your opinion of me which is only an opinion because you have no idea of who I am, but I regret having to salt my word in response to yours but, I’ve seen you do this with others, although not that much recently until now.  My interest on this forum is complimentary to my study of personalities, and being able to recognize these traits through written correspondence as people reply, and I’ve learned much, Thank you.

  2. MidiChlorian wrote:  Are you indicating that this section and these “ancient peoples” did not believe in the pre-existence of the “soul”?

    Maybe you didn’t read this sentence below, a sentence which says that the soul was NOT believed to be pre-existent by many Egyptians and many African tribes? They knew thousands of years ago that only the spirit, or what we now know as the Adjuster, pre-existed. Interesting, huh? Some ancients did get it right.

    111:0.4 The Egyptians and many African tribes also believed in two factors, the ka and the ba; the soul was not usually believed to be pre-existent, only the spirit.

    MidiChlorian wrote:But if the soul is immortal, rather than mortal, would it not have pre-existed prior to it birth?

    Well, let’s look at this another way.  How about answering these questions first?

    1. Do you think that you, Midi, existed prior to your conception in your mother’s womb here on planet Earth?
    2. If you existed prior to conception, where were you?
    3. Wherever you were prior to conception, was there also a pre-existent soul there with you?
    4. If your pre-existent soul was with you, was it personal?  Did it only belong to you or was it assigned from a collective of souls?
    5. If your pre-existent soul was not with your pre-existent self prior to conception, where was it?
    6. Is there a reservoir of pre-existent souls somewhere waiting to inhabit bodies, and where would that reservoir be?
    7. How and when did you finally get your pre-existent soul? Did the pre-existent soul pick you? Or did you pick it?
    8. If the pre-existent soul chose you, does that mean that the pre-existent soul has its own volition?
    9. What does a pre-existent soul do once it inhabits a body?
    10. Does a pre-existent soul have pre-existent ideas?  Does it have a pre-existent character or nature?
    11. Do you get to choose any of these pre-existent ideas or character traits as your own, or do you just somehow remember them from a former pre-existent association?
    12. How does a pre-existent soul determine the person it wants to inhabit here on earth?
    13. If souls are pre-existent, wouldn’t that make them existential and divine?
    14. If souls are already divine, why would they choose to evolve through experience?
    15. How does a soul transmute from existential to experiential?
    16. How would an existential soul contribute to the evolution of the experiential Supreme?
    17. What’s the purpose of a pre-existent soul and why would it want to inhabit you?
    18. What’s the final destination of a pre-existent soul?

    MidiChlorian wrote:  Then if the human mind can be associated with a or the soul, then would the following quote not indicate that something does not spring into existence from nothing, . . .

    The soul doesn’t spring into existence from nothing.  On the contrary, a pre-existent soul, such as you propose, would have to spring into existence from nothing.  The morontia soul springs into existence from the combination of two parents: the moral decisions of the mortal mind and the divine Adjuster.  It has to do with the decision of the mortal mind, not the fact that the mortal mind arose from a pre-existent mind source or that the Adjuster pre-existed.

    The DECISION did NOT pre-exist, and that is what is NEW, UNIQUE and ORIGINAL.  And you can’t have a DECISION without a personality to make it.  The formula requires a personality making DECISIONS.  Just because a personality uses a mind from a pre-existent source and a pre-existent Adjuster does not mean that the soul is pre-existent.  If the pre-existent mind and pre-existent Adjuster wanted to work with a pre-existent soul, then they can do that on Paradise. Why bother with God the Sevenfold? Why all the fuss about the Supreme?

     

  3. If you would actually study the book instead of posting imbedded deceptive opinion, which may or may not be of your on volition, you might see that the pen is mightier than the double edged sword of a forked tongue.

    Whoa there bucko!!  Hold your horses and your tongue!  No wonder people don’t like to speak up on this forum.  There’s no need to be nasty.

    So let’s get the facts straight. Bradly is RIGHT. And thank you Brad and Keryn for your bravery.

    • The soul is not immortal; it is only potentially immortal. (5:5.13; 13:1.22; 40:7.1; 111:0.4; 111:1.12)
    • It’s the Adjuster who is immortal.  (0:5.9; 5:3.8; 40:7.1; 49:4.9; 49:6.5; 132:3.6)
    • Survival of the soul requires the Adjuster.  (30:4.15; 49:4.9; 112:3.5; 113:6.5; 132:3.6)
    • Personality must identify with the soul/Adjuster relationship in order to attain immortality. (5:6.7; 112:0.15; 132:3.6)

     

  4. But, if the birth of the soul is dependent on this event, WHY would the narration use the phrase above, “delivering this undeveloped soul” where regardless of the birth factor and that fact that the cherubim is given “the responsibility of delivering” this non-soul, as you would put it, call it a “soul”.

    Midi, if you had just read another two paragraphs, you might have been able to answer your own question.  There are undeveloped souls in the nursery, some children do have Adjusters and souls.  So what you thought looked and quacked like a duck really wasn’t a duck after all.

    47:2.3 On the nursery world, probationary creatures are grouped according to whether or not they have Adjusters, for the Adjusters come to indwell these material children just as on the worlds of time. Children of pre-Adjuster ages are cared for in families of five, ranging in ages from one year and under up to approximately five years, or that age when the Adjuster arrives.

    47:2.4 All children on the evolving worlds who have Thought Adjusters, but who before death had not made a choice concerning the Paradise career, are also repersonalized on the finaliter world of the system, where they likewise grow up in the families of the Material Sons and their associates as do those little ones who arrived without Adjusters, but who will subsequently receive the Mystery Monitors after attaining the requisite age of moral choice.

  5. What is the mind ministry at work with these children of time and space in these nurseries?

    Without an Adjuster, it would be merely a morontia variant of the cosmic mind.  With an Adjuster there would also be the supermind of the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Truth.  They accompany us to the mansion worlds and beyond.

  6. Here’s another interesting thing about the adjutants.  The first adjutant, the spirit of intuition, assists the directional control creatures of Nebadon, the living compasses who activate microscopic bodies at the cellular level to always point north and south.  This is fascinating because it is a magnetic sense, magnetoception, something we share with the animal world, and a very basic perception, or instinct, at that.

    34:4.12-13 But it was of Salvington that John wrote: “And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices” — the universe broadcasts to the local systems. He also envisaged the directional control creatures of the local universe, the living compasses of the headquarters world. This directional control in Nebadon is maintained by the four control creatures of Salvington, who operate over the universe currents and are ably assisted by the first functioning mind-spirit, the adjutant of intuition, the spirit of “quick understanding.” But the description of these four creatures — called beasts — has been sadly marred; they are of unparalleled beauty and exquisite form.

    The four points of the compass are universal and inherent in the life of Nebadon. All living creatures possess bodily units which are sensitive and responsive to these directional currents. These creature creations are duplicated on down through the universe to the individual planets and, in conjunction with the magnetic forces of the worlds, so activate the hosts of microscopic bodies in the animal organism that these direction cells ever point north and south. Thus is the sense of orientation forever fixed in the living beings of the universe. This sense is not wholly wanting as a conscious possession by mankind. These bodies were first observed on Urantia about the time of this narration.

     

  7. How about answering these questions first?

    So, we’re answering questions with questions.  If I were to answer your questions and told you, “who I was”, “who I am” and “who I will be”, all this would generate more questions.  Would it not serve a greater purpose for you to understand, who you are?

    Midi, if you had just read another two paragraphs, you might have been able to answer your own question.

    It is fascinating to see that many persons who read and reply to these forum posts really don’t read many of the responses posted.  Where if you had you would not have posted the statement above.  One of the first things learned in law school, when making a presentation in court, is to not ask questions that you don’t know the answer to.  Even if the answer given is not as expected, the questioner will ascertain if the response is based on avoidance or an intention to deceive, or evade the question(s).

    In the section which I introduced above, and was responded to with the next two paragraphs, if one read further as I suggested, where I gave a leading phrase, and sighted context, which seemed to fly over many heads, where the following is presented, for verification of having read this and many other sections.

    (532.3)47:2.5 The Adjuster-indwelt children and youths on the finaliter world are also reared in families of five, ranging in ages from six to fourteen; approximately, these families consist of children whose ages are six, eight, ten, twelve, and fourteen. Any time after sixteen, if final choice has been made, they translate to the first mansion world and begin their Paradise ascent. Some make a choice before this age and go on to the ascension spheres, but very few children under sixteen years of age, as reckoned by Urantia standards, will be found on the mansion worlds.

    (532.4)47:2.6 The guardian seraphim attend these youths in the probationary nursery on the finaliter world just as they spiritually minister to mortals on the evolutionary planets, while the faithful spornagia minister to their physical necessities. And so do these children grow up on the transition world until such time as they make their final choice.

    (532.5)47:2.7 When material life has run its course, if no choice has been made for the ascendant life, or if these children of time definitely decide against the Havona adventure, death automatically terminates their probationary careers. There is no adjudication of such cases; there is no resurrection from such a second death. They simply become as though they had not been.

    (532.6)47:2.8 But if they choose the Paradise path of perfection, they are immediately made ready for translation to the first mansion world, where many of them arrive in time to join their parents in the Havona ascent. After passing through Havona and attaining the Deities, these salvaged souls of mortal origin constitute the permanent ascendant citizenship of Paradise. These children who have been deprived of the valuable and essential evolutionary experience on the worlds of mortal nativity are not mustered into the Corps of the Finality.

    Where above it infers that these children are really not given a choice, because if they do not choose but one way, they are illuminated eliminated (as though they had never been), which is more of a threat than a choice.  Also that the world which are placed is not a morontia world but a transition world, where the environment is not really defined, but it does indicate that these children are not in a morontia state of physical being but are subject to a second physical death, where it would seem that they are brought you thinking this world would represent the mortal world where they experienced their first physical death.  But the main point intended to be shown, was that choice is really not present there because if you do not choose only one way, the other option is nothing.  No appeal, no nothing.  And even if one were to choose the correct path, it ends without future expectations.  Where if they are being adjudicated for being conceived in the first place, and given foster parents and deprived of a natural progression, who should be judged and for what?  If there is only one option to a choice, it is not as choice, it is a mandate.  Or it must also be part of a predetermined plan, which from the get go where if physical life is considered as being judged, for what would an infant be judged for if not for pre-existing discretions.  It really doesn’t matter what I think but what others think, and unless given more than one option, there can be no choice.  If there is not choice, there can also not be free fill, if the only option is to do one will.  In other words, if you don’t agree to be possessed you will be eliminated.  “Resistance is futile.”  “You will be assimilated.”

    (1233.5)112:5.9 This does not mean that human beings are to enjoy a second opportunity in the face of the rejection of a first, not at all. But it does signify that all will creatures are to experience one true opportunity to make one undoubted, self-conscious, and final choice. The sovereign Judges of the universes will not deprive any being of personality status who has not finally and fully made the eternal choice; the soul of man must and will be given full and ample opportunity to reveal its true intent and real purpose.

    What was the first choice, if a human being was given a second choice, the first would have occurred, ? in a prior existence?

  8. MidiChlorian wrote:   If I were to answer your questions and told you, “who I was”, “who I am” and “who I will be”, all this would generate more questions. . . . “Resistance is futile.”  “You will be assimilated.”

    That’s hysterical!!  You don’t have to tell us who you are or who you will be.  Do you think I was born yesterday?  Hah! I know you’re a Borg!

    MidiChlorian wrote:   Where above it infers that these children are really not given a choice, because if they do not choose but one way, they are illuminated, which is more of a threat than a choice. . . . . If there is not choice, there can also not be free fill, if the only option is to do one will.  In other words, if you don’t agree to be possessed you will be illuminated.
    So what’s with the “illuminated” thing?  Who and what is threatening illumination?
  9. Here’s another interesting thing about the adjutants. The first adjutant, the spirit of intuition, assists the directional control creatures of Nebadon, the living compasses who activate microscopic bodies at the cellular level to always point north and south. This is fascinating because it is a magnetic sense, magnetoception, something we share with the animal world, and a very basic perception, or instinct, at that.

    34:4.12-13 But it was of Salvington that John wrote: “And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices” — the universe broadcasts to the local systems. He also envisaged the directional control creatures of the local universe, the living compasses of the headquarters world. This directional control in Nebadon is maintained by the four control creatures of Salvington, who operate over the universe currents and are ably assisted by the first functioning mind-spirit, the adjutant of intuition, the spirit of “quick understanding.” But the description of these four creatures — called beasts — has been sadly marred; they are of unparalleled beauty and exquisite form. The four points of the compass are universal and inherent in the life of Nebadon. All living creatures possess bodily units which are sensitive and responsive to these directional currents. These creature creations are duplicated on down through the universe to the individual planets and, in conjunction with the magnetic forces of the worlds, so activate the hosts of microscopic bodies in the animal organism that these direction cells ever point north and south. Thus is the sense of orientation forever fixed in the living beings of the universe. This sense is not wholly wanting as a conscious possession by mankind. These bodies were first observed on Urantia about the time of this narration.

    Actually this is a reference to the human brain-stem where the reference to the four beasts are the brains-stem’s four primary sections.  If you find the other references to spirits would explain how the brain functions.  As I mentioned earlier in this topic, regarding mapping the brain.

  10. I doubt these children are given much education about the choices to come but, rather, are raised in an environment of total love and engagement and security and wisdom that they will quite naturally make a moral choice at the normal time…..or sooner perhaps by some months of our time.

    I misspoke here:  should have said “infants”…..children with TAs obviously, by text, receive a great education!!  Indeed, consider that it is apparently normal for children to actually translate/fuse within 10 years or so of receiving the TA by the normal method of first moral choice:

    (532.3) 47:2.5 The Adjuster-indwelt children and youths on the finaliter world are also reared in families of five, ranging in ages from six to fourteen; approximately, these families consist of children whose ages are six, eight, ten, twelve, and fourteen. Any time after sixteen, if final choice has been made, they translate to the first mansion world and begin their Paradise ascent. Some make a choice before this age and go on to the ascension spheres, but very few children under sixteen years of age, as reckoned by Urantia standards, will be found on the mansion worlds.

    On Urantia, it can take centuries, even in the stages of L&L, to translate.  So then, is this due to the lack of mind poisons and material attachments that such circle progress can happen so quickly to those so young?  Fascinating.  These children have mind, personality, free will, and spirit circuitry of the Spirits of the Father, Mother, and Son just like planet of birth raised children upon their first moral choice.  They progress in their circles as all such mortal borns do.  But they do so much more quickly.  WOW…..what an environment for children to be raised!

    It is my understanding that all the mansion worlds are considered “transition” worlds as we transition from mortal born to fusion, the very beginning of true ascension and spiritization of the one time mortal born ascender and potential finaliter:

    (541.3) 48:0.3 Always this morontia transition intervenes between the mortal estate and the subsequent spirit status of surviving human beings. This intermediate state of universe progress differs markedly in the various local creations, but in intent and purpose they are all quite similar. The arrangement of the mansion and higher morontia worlds in Nebadon is fairly typical of the morontia transition regimes in this part of Orvonton.

    1. Morontia Materials

    (541.4) 48:1.1 The morontia realms are the local universe liaison spheres between the material and spiritual levels of creature existence. This morontia life has been known on Urantia since the early days of the Planetary Prince. From time to time this transition state has been taught to mortals, and the concept, in distorted form, has found a place in present-day religions.

    (530.1) 47:0.1 THE Creator Son, when on Urantia, spoke of the “many mansions in the Father’s universe.” In a certain sense, all fifty-six of the encircling worlds of Jerusem are devoted to the transitional culture of ascending mortals, but the seven satellites of world number one are more specifically known as the mansion worlds.

    (530.2) 47:0.2 Transition world number one itself is quite exclusively devoted to ascendant activities, being the headquarters of the finaliter corps assigned to Satania. This world now serves as the headquarters for more than one hundred thousand companies of finaliters, and there are one thousand glorified beings in each of these groups.

    (530.3) 47:0.3 When a system is settled in light and life, and as the mansion worlds one by one cease to serve as mortal-training stations, they are taken over by the increasing finaliter population which accumulates in these older and more highly perfected systems.

     

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  11. MidiChlorian wrote:  Actually this is a reference to the human brain-stem where the reference to the four beasts are the brains-stem’s four primary sections.

    Well, as I understand it, this can only occur if you are Borg who has been assimilated properly into the collective with activation of the antimatter properties of your positronic neural network which then directionalizes your activity to the collaborate subatomic Oneness.

  12. Indeed, consider that it is apparently normal for children to actually translate/fuse within 10 years or so of receiving the TA by the normal method of first moral choice:

    No offense Bradly, but I don’t know what you’re talking about.  Are you referring to the quote you reproduced or to some other quote in the book?  The quote you reproduced doesn’t say anything about fusion.  Translation to the first mansion worlds doesn’t mean that they fused.  It simply means that they made the decision to begin the ascension career.  They would be no different from you or me arriving there after death.  Then again, maybe they are being translated to the first mansion world to be threatened with illumination, to learn that resistance is futile, that they must be assimilated into the collective?? Don’t know for sure . . .  still thinking about that.
  13. Ahhhh……thanks Bonita.  Translation in this case is different than mortal translation which only happens as a matter of fusion on planet.  Got it.  So these teenagers must hit a certain circle or what criteria allows them to leave the nursery do you think?

    :good:

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  14. Ahhhh……thanks Bonita.  Translation in this case is different than mortal translation which only happens as a matter of fusion on planet.  Got it.  So these teenagers must hit a certain circle or what criteria allows them to leave the nursery do you think?

    I’m pretty sure that the authors use the word translation to indicate movement from one place or condition to another.  It is not used exclusively for fusion translation.

    What do I think about the teenagers?  I’m thinking that they’re waiting to find that mysterious “forth” part of their brainstems so they can directionalize themselves magnetically to the cosmos and get the heck out of the nursery where they’ve been kept captive with threats of illumination.   :-(

  15. ;-)    Yes, as I understand it the directional function is in all creatures everywhere in time and space, including insects, mammals, humans (but not just humans) and does so on all worlds regardless of brain size or form.  An inherent beacon and directional transponder.  I’ve often wondered about “hive mind” and the way some insects and lizards change their color or patterns for either mating or defense, etc.  Seems like a mind is acting, but not the brain of those creatures?  The adjutants manage much related to the process of natural selection, environmental response, and evolutionary changes in all planetary creatures it seems.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  16. So what’s with the “illuminated” thing? Who and what is threatening illumination?

    “eliminated” not “illuminated”, the auto correct and spell-check doesn’t work that well on this computer, also, the limitation of power on these batteries, hurries the process for re-reading, then there is trying to squeeze in as much as I can with the allotted time, left.  Plus the editor on this forum has a mind of its own, plus I’m working with a wireless keyboard.

  17. Seems like a mind is acting, but not the brain of those creatures?

    Which creatures? the hive creatures or the technicolor creatures? Hive mind might be due in part from the 2nd and 5th adjutants.  Self-preservation is the first adjutant.

    The mind cannot function without the brain and nervous system.  Mind energy needs a substrate.  If the adjutants are functioning then the organic physical system associated with it (brain/nervous system) is also functioning.

    But the adjutants themselves are not the mind, they are ministers to the individual mind.  They pull, push, urge, stimulate, and prompt the individual mind to process incoming and outgoing data in a certain direction and with a cohesiveness of purpose.  Mind is unity and that’s what the adjutants do, they work toward unity of mind energy on their particular level of specialization.  Each has their own power and differential urges, instincts and tendencies, and when they get organized under the leadership of the 7th adjutant, then the machine is really humming.  That is, unless you’re missing that fourth part of your brainstem, like I am, then you’re screwed.

  18. “eliminated” not “illuminated”, the auto correct and spell-check doesn’t work that well on this computer, also, the limitation of power on these batteries, hurries the process for re-reading, then there is trying to squeeze in as much as I can with the allotted time, left.  Plus the editor on this forum has a mind of its own, plus I’m working with a wireless keyboard.

    Aaahhh!  So what you’re saying is that 99.5% pattern recognition accuracy thingy you have needs battery back-up?  See . . .  I kinda figured you weren’t perfect.  It’s okay. And I agree the editor on this forum rots.

  19. The adjutants manage much related to the process of natural selection, environmental response, and evolutionary changes in all planetary creatures it seems.

    Most likely that the first five adjutants can be associated to the five basic hormones in the human.

    Not to mention that there are neuroscience differences between sexes.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_sex_differences

    Where hormones play a part.

  20. Aaahhh! So what you’re saying is that 99.5% pattern recognition accuracy thingy you have needs battery back-up? See . . . I kinda figured you weren’t perfect. It’s okay. And I agree the editor on this forum rots.

    Have you been drinking some of that 100 proof Ice Tea you are famous for?

    Where is that avatar picture you posted on the old forum?

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