Ugly Bags of Mostly Water

44 posts · 7 participants · started Aug 22, 2016, 2:09 AM

1. R

   RamblonParticipant
   Sep 6, 2016, 3:09 AM

   Van,

   I don’t know why you would feel that looking for origins of writing as distracting. Since I fine myself involved in this temporal existence I find it easy to use this “internet” to locate information that took many years of “my given time line” to extract. I have not really done any particular “seeking” for many year. Even when I did, it was because one particular “theology” could spark my interest due to (usually) a partial universal truth. These things are somehow presented to me without looking for them. The Urantia Book seems to contain a lot of information that I would not even have taken any interest in had it not been for the universal truths I see in it. I can appreciate the intelligence of you long time readers. Your responses Make sense to me. Forty years ago, they would not have. Rather than worrying about ascension in regards to existence. The important part of temporal existence is to be happy. With or without explanations  or revelations. Mankind invented Religion and if we took it all away, they would create another. Science is also dependent on a linear time frame. The more it discovers, the greater the mystery.

   Like it or not, the Urantia Book exists within a time line too. The origins exist in a time line. We can accept the Book only within that time line. No written text can explain time or the nature of physical reality. The Urantia Book may be the closest linear time explanation I will ever discover. I don’t think it will make me live longer be happier, or give me the means to impart this wisdom to others.

   I did not seek you out. You presented yourself to me. How, I don’t know.

   I may need the Book, perhaps it needs me. I don’t know.

   I had thought about your Trinity. I never did like that term. We are either believe in One God, not Three in One. Certainly, the readers here will enlighten me on this topic. Dualism as far as body/soul is okay so far. Krishna found His Middle path. One  foot in the spiritual and one in the world. Being in this world and knowing that the temporal was constructed in order for “pain pleasure devices” to function is fine. The Universal Field of Information gets temporal input. The God that is looks through our eyes, hears through our ears, and feels temporal love. (or other emotions).

   Some of these creatures need to study books to be happy. Some do not. Me? Let’s just say that after one of his lectures, Depak Chopra was asked. “if livf is what you say it is, why bother at all?”

   He answered, “it’s so interesting, why not?

2. VA

   Van AmadonParticipant
   Sep 6, 2016, 3:54 AM

   Ramblon,

   The internet is full of misinformation. The method that produced the Urantia Book will never be known. Dr. Sadler did not write the Urantia Book. All that will ever be known for sure about the origin of the Urantia Book is found within its own pages. The fact that all this is true, validates its authority.

   Jesus, looking down upon them, said, “Neither will I tell you by what authority I do these things.”

3. VA

   Van AmadonParticipant
   Sep 6, 2016, 4:36 AM

    

   The following was written by Dr William Sadler and is transcribed from the photo copies of the original manuscript dated Dec 1, 1958.

    

   I can testify that the Urantia Papers were not the product of automatic writing or any other technique of psychic legerdemain known to me.

   While we are not at liberty to tell you the little we know about the technique of the production of the Urantia Papers, we are not forbidden to tell you how we did not get these documents.

   UNUSUAL ACTIVITIES OF THE MARGINAL CONSCIOUSNESS. (The subconscious mind)

   1. Automatic Writing

   2. Automatic Talking
   a. Speaking with “tongues.”
   b. Trance Mediums.
   c. Spirit Mediums.
   d. Catalepsy.

   3. Automatic Hearing — Clairaudience.
   Hearing “voices.”

   4. Automatic Seeing.
   a. Dream States — Twilight Mentation
   b. Visions — Automatic Dramatization.
   c. Hallucinations. (Shifty “Reality” Feelings)

   5. Automatic Thinking.
   a. Automatic Fearing — Anxiety Neurosis.
   b. Automatic Ideation — Mental Compulsions.
   c. Automatic Judgements — Intuitions, “Hunches.”
   d. Automatic Association of Ideas — Premonitions.
   e. Automatic Guessing – E.S.P. Extra-Sensory Perception.
   f. Automatic Deductions — Delusions — Paranoia.
   g. Dominance by Marginal Consciousness — Dreams and Hypnosis.

   6. Automatic Remembering.
   a. Clairvoyance — Automatic Memory Associations.
   b. Telepathy – Mind Reading (?)
   c. Fortune Telling (Largely Fraudulent).
   d. Musical and Mathematical Marvels.

   7. Automatic Acting.
   a. Automatic Behavior — (Major Hysteria. Witchcraft.)
   b. Automatic Motion — Motor Compulsions.
   c. Automatic Overdrives — Manic Episodes.
   d. Automatic Walking — Somnambulism.

   8. Automatic Personalization.
   a. Automatic Forgetting — Amnesia.
   b. Automatic Dissociation — Double and Multiple Personality
   c. Schizophrenia — Split Personality.

   9. Combined and Associated Psychic States

   Note:
   The technique of the reception of the Urantia Book in English in no way parallels or impinges upon any of the above phenomenon of the marginal consciousness.

4. R

   RamblonParticipant
   Sep 6, 2016, 10:50 AM

   Van

   As I am sure you realize, the internet is not the only source of misinformation. Readers here continue to believe that I am triying to discredit Dr. Sadler and the Urantia Book. I am not. I find it very impressive and as you have said no one man could have produced it. The same could probably be said about every theological or scientific volume of writing. It is the individual and personal responsibility of the human being to accept what he can him or herself validate. (according to the data that their brains can comprehend).

   The Social Structure be it Theological or Humanistic will always come into play. Whichever it is, it will affect this “structure” or habitat we are born into. This changes throughout the history of our human civilization. All of us here would be deemed “heretics” by any of the current “Abrahamic” Churches. There is no harm or threat to any written text if we choose to use the timeline now in effect.

   As a young High School student I hated history. Later in life, I felt the need to know where information was coming from. I may find issues in the Urantia Book worth discussion. I do believe that it is superior (to date) than any conclusions or opinions that I came to accept. Misconceptions or not. There could be some human error. Some things do not and never will explain human existence or any need to prove what writings are relevant. I am thankful for your existence because I can learn more in discussions here than by just reading through the entire Book. The Internet is filled with “want to be” spiritual leaders. I found  “Conversations with God” (Neal Donald Walsch) an interesting example of a man asking God to explain Himself. (Joseph Smith did this and produced the Book of Mormon). At any rate, as usual, Walsh found a need to have an organization. I think he called it Recreation. It  has been so long and not being a follower I have no idea what happened to him and  I don’t care.

   Mankind does have a propensity to challenge social structures. It is often Politically motivated. For example, the “Scopes Monkey Trials”. This was apparently a “test” set up by the ACLU (about 1925). Tennessee Law prohibited any teaching of evolution. Scopes agreed to be the defendant. I was amuse by the movies that used this story. In the trial Clarence Darrow questioned William Jennings Bryant about time. Bryant stated that he was more interested in “rock of ages” than the “age of rocks” Most people (at that time supported Creation) and many still do. The point is that Darrow pinned down Bryant on the time issue. How long is a day to God? Could it be years, thousands of years, or what? That one stung him and made him look a bit silly.

   The law of course found Scopes guilty. Still it was a victory for the politicians. Scopes was fined and eventually the whole thing blew over. Governments proclaiming Democracy condemn Theocracy. Democracy stinks too. I provides for a majority of people to make rules all citizens. The U.S of course invented the electoral college. Without it, all Presidents would be elected by just the most populated states,

   I am satisfied to have the freedom to choose to have a Religion or none at all. Preachers are happy because they can make money that cannot be taxed,

   With this system in regards to money, the US is violating a Biblical principle. Credit. Lending money and collecting interest. The collapse of this system is clear to most “thinkers” spiritual of not.

   Can we back our paper and cyber money with Gold. (Nixon took care of that problem in 1971.) France of course (and probably the rest of Europe wanted their Gold. Do we have enough pay anyone? Our Vietnam war and our “trip to the moon” brought into question whether or not America could pay back anyone.

   Ugly Bags of Mostly Water do like their politics. Some of us do not care. We realize that the infinite nature of reality will win out over any human structures. We can meditate and go within ourselves regardless of Government. We last, they don’t.

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