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Those cosmic intuitions

61 posts · 5 participants · started Aug 25, 2014, 7:22 PM

  1. Mara wrote:  Duty pertains to the fact of relationship.

    That’s a pretty good response but I don’t think it addresses the question about what the facts of right and wrong are. The fact of relationship does not tell us what is right or what is wrong, it merely gives us the opportunity to discover the meaning of rightness and wrongness.  But what of the facts of rightness and wrongness?  Facts are not morality.  They may be the building blocks necessary to make judgments concerning rightness and wrongness, but the facts themselves are not reality when it comes to morality.

    If facts were the soul determinant of morality, then people could make decisions based solely on black and white inflexible facts.  There would be no need to consider personality, mercy or compassion.  Morality decisions would become purely mechanical based upon factual and nonfactual information, something any android could do.

    Maybe I’m not being very clear here, but I’ll try again.  Facts are building blocks, a framework with which to think. Facts of causation function on the fundamental level of reality.  Duty must consider facts when making judgments concerning right and wrong, but that does not mean that there is a factual right or wrong. If that were so, then moral rules could never bend; they would be fixed and uniform.  Thou shalt not kill would not have any opportunity for interpretation. Duty, or morality, must allow for interpretation.

    There are only three elements of reality: facts, ideas and relation.  Duty has to do with ideas, meaning, philosophy and wisdom.  Duty is a higher level of reality than mere facts.

  2. Mara wrote: Duty pertains to the fact of relationship.

    . . . but I don’t think it addresses the question about what the facts of right and wrong are. The fact of relationship does not tell us what is right or what is wrong. . . .

    The fact of relationship does not tell us, but this cosmic intuition functions to reinforce what is right.  In the technique of perfection there is always to best and right way to do things. (25:4:17)

    195:7:4 [#4]
    Paradise values of eternity and infinity, of truth, beauty, and goodness, are concealed within the facts of the phenomena of the universes of time and space. But it requires the eye of faith in a spirit-born mortal to detect and discern these spiritual values.
  3. Thanks to all for joining in!  Mara, your timely insights are thrilling, and Bonita, your comments and criticism is always spot on!

    Regarding “Spirit of Fact”, let’s treat that offending phrase merely as a clumsy place-holder for some better way of describing one of the many ways in which the Divine Minister serves her creation:  that role which makes it possible for we humans to “discern reality”;  that role which, for humans, so perfectly complements the role of Michael’s “Spirit of Truth”.

    Bonita wrote:

    “Facts are part of the material intellect, not the soul.  Meanings are experienced within the soul by the personality and then expressed by the personality using the material intellect. […]”

    Nicely put.  However, are facts not part of the morontia intellect?  Either way, for those of us still trudging along using <adjutant emulation> instead of cosmic mind, were not the mundane facts of human life the very first thing we had to learn to deal with?  Surely we should expect intimate help from mum in this phenomenal endeavour?  I mean, to Michael of Nebadon and the Divine Minister, what could be more extraordinary than a human child, wrestling with the facts discovered in her circle of interest, then making a choice?  During that child’s discovery and choice, in what capacity was the Divine Minister serving that precious child?

    I agree that as we grow and start a cycle of feedback between soul and human mind, it becomes increasingly possible to experience the meaning of those facts we discern about material, moral, spiritual and personal realities.  But as I understand it, the three cosmic intuitions make it possible for us to discern such facts even before we can truly experience their meaning.  For example, even as tadpoles our ability to discern the fact of personal religious experience, should make the concept of fact more interesting than mere dry number or dusty box.

    Bonita wrote:

    “All three responses have to do with the discernment of REALITY, […]”

    Agreed!  And to me, this implies discerning facts about that REALITY.  Here, let’s expand our concept of fact to include its root meaning [facio, factum] — something “made”, or made actual (actualized), or made real (real-ized).  Now consider how each of the three derived domains (material, mindal, spiritual) not only has its characteristic gravity and characteristic form of light, but also a characteristic set of facts (actuals) and relationships between those actuals.  And let’s not forget the domain of personality.  In paper 12 section 3, we discover that this primary domain also has a characteristic gravity, and elsewhere I’ve speculated that LOVE is the characteristic form of light in this domain.  So what about facts?  Does the personal domain have its characteristic facts?

    In paper 112, the “fact of personality” pops up:

    ” […]. On subabsolute levels this seventh or totality dimension is experiencible as the fact of personality. This supreme dimension is an associable absolute and, while not infinite, is dimensionally potential for subinfinite penetration of the absolute.”  (1226.13, 112:1.9)

    Regarding the role in which the Divine Minister of Salvington serves to makes it possible for all her local universe children increasingly to discern reality,  her technique no doubt matches the need of the child.  So (maybe) what begins as a simple ministry — the Meaning of Facts — (maybe) that ministry evolves with the child?  As we are weaned from adjutant dependence, maybe Bonita’s “discernment of REALITY” becomes increasingly possible ?

    PS: here’s another interesting use of the concept of fact:

    ” […]. But since all creature experiencing registers in, and is a part of, the Supreme, when all creatures attain the final level of finite existence, and after total universe development makes possible their attainment of God the Supreme as an actual divinity presence, then, inherent in the fact of such contact, is contact with total experience.”  (1287.5, 117:5.14)

    thanks again!

    Nigel

  4. Nigel Nunn wrote:  Nicely put.  However, are facts not part of the morontia intellect?  Either way, for those of us still trudging along using instead of cosmic mind, were not the mundane facts of human life the very first thing we had to learn to deal with?  Surely we should expect intimate help from mum in this phenomenal endeavour?  I mean, to Michael of Nebadon and the Divine Minister, what could be more extraordinary than a human child, wrestling with the facts discovered in her circle of interest, then making a choice?  During that child’s discovery and choice, in what capacity was the Divine Minister serving that precious child?

    Are you talking about a child before entering the 7th psychic circle?  If so, that child does not have a morontia intellect.  The first five adjutant mind spirits are part of the impersonal cosmic mind (56:2.3) and are not part of the personality of the Divine Minister (36:5.16). They are only part of her consciousness (36:5.4) thus lack the ability connect with the reality recognition responses of the cosmic mind; reality recognition requires personality. The lower adjutants do not repercuss in the Supreme (36:5.16).  The maximum comprehension of reality can only be accomplished within the Supreme (0:3.20). Moreover, it is the Adjuster who gives the feeling of reality to the mind (102:3.12) and it is the Adjuster who participates in the process of self-revelation and self-realization.  The recognition of reality is a cosmic technique of self-revelation (16:6.10).  There is no self-revelation without the Adjuster.  And the child does not have access to the Adjuster, Spirit of Truth or Holy Spirit until entering the 7th psychic circle.

    But let’s see what happens without the Adjuster, Holy Spirit or Spirit of Truth, when a child has only the lower adjutant mind spirits to wrestle with the facts discovered in its circle of interest.  The second adjutant mind spirit, the spirit of understanding, coordinates the spontaneous and automatic association of ideas within the child’s mind  This spirit is the gift of acquired knowledge, the phenomenon of quick reasoning, rapid judgment, and prompt decision (36:5.7).  Facts are about knowledge and the Holy Spirit is not necessary for the accumulation of knowledge; it is a very low adjutant function. The third adjutant mind spirit, the spirit of courage, forms the intellectual root of moral stamina and spiritual bravery. When enlightened by facts it encourages evolution within the channels of intelligence.(36:5.8).    Then, there is the fourth adjutant, the spirit of knowledge, which provides curiosity, adventure, discovery, the scientific spirit (36:5.9).  And finally the fifth adjutant, the spirit of counsel, which urges cooperation and harmonization with others (36:5.10).  All of this occurs without any help whatsoever from the Holy Spirit.  

    Nigel Nunn wrote:  But as I understand it, the three cosmic intuitions make it possible for us to discern such facts even before we can truly experience their meaning.  For example, even as tadpoles our ability to discern the fact of personal religious experience, should make the concept of fact more interesting than mere dry number or dusty box
    No, I believe you have that a bit wrong.  The cosmic mind reality recognition responses require the Adjuster  (16:9.1).  To the human and personal mind, reality and divinity are inseparable; there is no discernible reality without the presence of Deity. And personal religious experience is a truth, not a fact.  [By the way, use the phrase the fact of  is meant to emphasize the validity of something and separating it from mere opinion or theory, but it doesn’t speak of its reality because reality requires experience.  For instance, the fact of personality is not the reality of personality. The fact of personality is recognition of the validity of its existence; the reality of personality is an experience with the source of personality, the Universal Father.]
    Nigel Nunn wrote:  Agreed!  And to me, this implies discerning facts about that REALITY.  Here, let’s expand our concept of fact to include its root meaning [facio, factum] — something “made”, or made actual (actualized), or made real (realized). . . . So what about facts?  Does the personal domain have its characteristic facts?

    Okay.  So what’s the meaning of factual and factualize then?  Facts about reality are not reality; they are relative to reality.   Factual and actual are two different things entirely. Factual is something discoverable and interpreted by mind whereas actual is something made real by personality action. Actual reality experience requires personality identification with Spirit because reality is experienced as self-realization, the self becoming more real, more like spirit.  The personal domain unifies facts with spiritual values.

    Nigel Nunn wrote: . . . the Meaning of Facts

    Yes, the Divine Minister supplies us with mind of various levels, but meaning is the appreciative consciousness of values (100:3.4).  The mind cannot perceive value without a Value Sorter (196:3.17). It is not the Holy Spirit or the Divine Minister who is responsible for meaning recognition. The accumulation of facts alone will never result in the recognition of reality because spirit is the “highest personal reality,” and the goal of personality existence (12:8.12-13).  Spirit does not result from a protoplasmic accumulation of facts or from the assimilation of meaning from facts; it requires that meanings become transformed into truth by the mind presence of the spirits of the Father and the Sons (101:6.4).

  5. . . . what could be more extraordinary than a human child, wrestling with the facts discovered in her circle of interest, then making a choice? During that child’s discovery and choice, in what capacity was the Divine Minister serving that precious child? [. . .] But as I understand it, the three cosmic intuitions make it possible for us to discern such facts even before we can truly experience their meaning.

    I think so.  The ministry of adjutants cease once we leave for mansonia.  Here is a reference addressing the precious child.

    112:2:6 [#3]
    In all concepts of selfhood it should be recognized that the fact of life comes first, its evaluation or interpretation later. The human child first lives and subsequently thinks about his living. In the cosmic economy insight precedes foresight.
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    [. . .]  Regarding the role in which the Divine Minister of Salvington serves to makes it possible for all her local universe children increasingly to discern reality, her technique no doubt matches the need of the child. So (maybe) what begins as a simple ministry — the Meaning of Facts — (maybe) that ministry evolves with the child? As we are weaned from adjutant dependence, maybe Bonita’s “discernment of REALITY” becomes increasingly possible ?

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    In leaving the adjutant ministry behind on the native planet, we will then become dependent on morontia intellect.  (112:6:10)

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    Regarding “fact” and “truth”, I wonder if there is such a thing as “fact-truth” or, if you like “truth fact”?  I ask because in my research on this topic I found several references  in which the revelators inform us about the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of men.

    170:2:1 [#4]
    The Master made it clear that the kingdom of heaven must begin with, and be centered in, the dual concept of the truth of the fatherhood of God and the correlated fact of the brotherhood of man.
    194:0:4 [#4]
    The gospel of the kingdom is: the fact of the fatherhood of God, coupled with the resultant truth of the sonship-brotherhood of men.
    Human salvation is real; it is based on two realities which may be grasped by the creature’s faith and thereby become incorporated into individual human experience: the fact of the fatherhood of God and its correlated truth, the brotherhood of man. It is true, after all, that you are to be “forgiven your debts, even as you forgive your debtors.”

    Are truths facts?  Are facts truths?  Are they mutually exclusive? I do not think so. But I will think some more about this interesting topic.

     

     

  6. I think a fact is fact regardless of recognition or response by any mind except Original Mind or Creator Mind but truth lies in the intersections of facts (all creatures/beings considered facts or entities).  Truth, to be true to any being, must be experienced; unlike facts which are facts regardless of any beings’ acceptance or knowledge of them.  Facts and truths share much but are distinct I think one from another.  The Revelation is filled with both and uses phrases like….the fact of this truth and the truth of this fact in ways that do not suggest they are exactly interchangeable but co-dependent in some way?

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  7. Does these quotes help?

    130:4.10 The eye of the material mind perceives a world of factual knowledge; the eye of the spiritualized intellect discerns a world of true values. These two views, synchronized and harmonized, reveal the world of reality, wherein wisdom interprets the phenomena of the universe in terms of progressive personal experience.

    189:2.6 Truth having to do with spiritual realities and eternal values cannot always be built up by a combination of apparentfacts. Although individual facts may be materially true, it does not follow that the association of a group of facts must necessarily lead to truthful spiritual conclusions.

    118:3.3 Truth is inconcussible — forever exempt from all transient vicissitudes, albeit never dead and formal, always vibrant and adaptable — radiantly alive. But when truth becomes linked with fact, then both time and space condition its meanings and correlate its values. Such realities of truthwedded to fact become concepts and are accordingly relegated to the domain of relative cosmic realities.

    196:3.2 There are just three elements in universal reality: fact, idea, and relation. The religious consciousness identifies these realities as science, philosophy, and truth. 

  8. Another thing to be considered when reading about fact and truth is that when you see the phrases: the fact of or the truth of, it is meant to be like a figure of speech. When using those phrases they are indicating that something is not just conjecture or a matter of opinion.  Also, the seeming incongruence of calling something both a fact and a truth indicates that whatever they are talking about can be viewed from different viewpoints, for instance, from a scientific viewpoint or a religious viewpoint, a material viewpoint or a spiritual viewpoint, etc..

    Another way to look at it is that fact is inflexible, uniform and represents quantity, whereas truth is flexible, interpretable and represents quality.

  9. I think a fact is fact . . .

    Thanks.

    Does these quotes help?

    Thanks.

    . . . the seeming incongruence of calling something both a fact and a truth indicates that whatever they are talking about can be viewed from different viewpoints, for instance. . . .

    On the face of it, your comment seems to make sense.  But is that the whole truth?  Here is a “literal truth”.

     

    2:1:11 [#1]
    Divinity and eternity the Father shares with large numbers of the higher Paradise beings, but we question whether infinity and consequent universal primacy is fully shared with any save his co–ordinate associates of the Paradise Trinity. Infinity of personality must, perforce, embrace all finitude of personality; hence the truth — literal truth — of the teaching which declares that “In Him we live and move and have our being.” That fragment of the pure Deity of the Universal Father which indwells mortal man is a part of the infinity of the First Great Source and Center, the Father of Fathers.

     

     

  10. Here is a “literal truth”. […]
    Here is a “truth-fact”:
    32:3:6 [#2]
    The farther down the scale of life we go, the more difficult it becomes to locate, with the eye of faith, the invisible Father. The lower creatures — and sometimes even the higher personalities — find it difficult always to envisage the Universal Father in his Creator Sons. And so, pending the time of their spiritual exaltation, when perfection of development will enable them to see God in person, they grow weary in progression, entertain spiritual doubts, stumble into confusion, and thus isolate themselves from the progressive spiritual aims of their time and universe. In this way they lose the ability to see the Father when beholding the Creator Son. The surest safeguard for the creature throughout the long struggle to attain the Father, during this time when inherent conditions make such attainment impossible, is tenaciously to hold on to the truth-fact of the Father’s presence in his Sons. Literally and figuratively, spiritually and personally, the Father and the Sons are one. It is a fact: He who has seen a Creator Son has seen the Father.
  11. Mara wrote:  Here is a “truth-fact”:

    There’s another truth-fact in 190:1.6 and a faith-fact in 34:5.7.

    But getting back to the three cosmic reality recognition responses . . . I think it’s important to remember what their purpose is.  Their purpose is not to recognize facts on three different levels of reality, which is what I think Nigel is saying, although I admit that I could be wrong about that.  Their purpose is to establish those relative relationships between energy and spirit “. . . which are suggestive of mutual kinship in eternity” (9:4.5). The cosmic mind accomplishes this task by the technique of self-revelation (16:6.10).

    So, what is self-revelation and what is the cosmic mind’s role in accomplishing it?  First of all, the greater the spirit-energy divergence, the greater the function of the cosmic mind (9:6.7).  Humans, having the greatest spirit-energy divergence also have access to the greatest functional capacity of the cosmic mind, the greatest gravity pull on reality.   But, in order to recognize this pull on reality it must register on the personal level of mind.  Recognition of reality requires the self-consciousness of personality. The cosmic mind, being impersonal, would appear purely mechanical, automated, unthinking and unrelated if it were not made personal by the personality presence of the Holy Spirit within the mind.

    But what is reality?  We are told that there are only three elements of reality: fact, idea and relation (196:3.2).  Plus, we are told that, for us humans, there are three levels of reality: causation, duty and worship.  Causation involves material acumen on the physical level of facts or energy reality; duty involves moral discrimination of self-consciousness on the intellectual level of ideas or mind reality; and, worship involves the insight of progressing selfhood on the level of spiritual relations or spirit reality.  These realities “. . . projected on a universal scale, combined in eternal relatedness, and experienced with perfection of quality and divinity of value — constitute the reality of the Supreme” (130:4.2).

    The ultimate purpose of the reality recognition responses of the cosmic mind is recognition of the Supreme.  “The maximum Deity reality fully comprehensible by evolutionary finite creatures is embraced within the Supreme Being.” (0:3.20) Reality for humans must involve Deity.  Reality is not the recognition of facts, but recognition of the interrelatedness of the reality of divinity on a cosmic scale.  Which brings me to the question, why rename the Holy Spirit the spirit of facts?  If you have to fabricate another name for her, why not the spirit of divinity reality recognition?  

    And then there’s my other pet peeve.  What happens after reality is recognized?  The next step is interpretation.  Interpretation is the action of explaining the meaning of something.  The Holy Spirit does not explain the meaning of reality. After she assists in the discovery and recognition of reality she passes it off to the Spirit of Truth and the Adjuster.  (And yes, they do work in unison, seamlessly undetected by us.)  The comprehension of meaning involves spirit philosophy at the soul level, the level of truth discernment. Spirit philosophy involves the wisdom of spirit realities and the endowment of the Spirit of Truth (101:3.2).  And we are told that this divine endowment is “. . . the conviction of truth, the consciousness and assurance of true meanings on real spirit levels“(180:5.1). 

    So what is the wisdom of spirit realities and the conviction of truth all about? Here’s where we get back to self-revelation, the technique of establishing personality relationships to reality.  Let us not forget that the “. . . Son is infinite in wisdom and truth, in spiritual expression and interpretation; he is the universal revealer“(9:0.2). Spiritual wisdom is not obtained by applying the finite to the spiritual level of reality; it is the other way around.  Spiritual wisdom is obtained when the spirit reveals the meaning of finite reality with spiritual light.  

    This is the process of self-revelation, interrelating the spiritual with the finite, and this is accomplished within the arena of supermind, the realm of the Holy Spirit.  Within this realm cosmic mind gravity pulls on reality.  Once discovered and recognized, reality is exposed for individual interpretation, the Spirit of Truth and the Adjuster then go to work on it by the process of spiritization and interpretation of thought.  And this process must be allowed by personality, which has the final say when it comes to reality choices.  And as long as this process is not inhibited or resisted, the soul will grow in and of itself (117:3.6)  Soul growth is the byproduct of self-revelation and soul growth contributes to growth of the Supreme.

     

  12. Thanks Bonita, Mara, and Nigel….fascinating topic and discussion.  So much to consider.  I think that facts are important to reality recognition while truth is reality response – which includes discovery/discernment/recognition and then a behavioral or free will choice adjustment that is a result of experiential outcomes to the choices made, all while in the on-rushing current of choice and relationship and outcome intersections.  The recognition of reality is the first step to cosmic citizenship and the primal connection to Diety, or a feeling of belonging within the reality, and that feeling should lead to reality response….which begins the process of soul growth, circle progress, and material attachment transcendence – transference of the seat of identity.

    The fact-set presented in the UB is given to eliminate errors and reduce confusions by presenting both a picture of reality – the who’s, when’s, where’s, how’s, and why’s – of the cosmos that is source, history, and destiny of the each and the all – and the truths that are to be discovered and applied by our experience within that actual and factual reality – the results of free will choice.  There are trillions of trillions of beings engaged in this experiential discovery of truth and each does so uniquely and personally and partially and progressively.  There is a limited fact-set within reality but there is a limitless truth-set.  And this, I think, is where the Supreme becomes a wild card that is not factual, but is factualizing (actualizing) – the universe reservoir of all truth experience of all creatures, high and low.  But the Supreme is no mere repository or library of truths and the experiences of truth, but rather, the Diety that collates and integrates the truth experience of all, and then expresses and manifests that collective truth-set in a personalized, experiential wisdom that changes all sources of truth experience/realization still to come.

    A feedback mechanism that is an ever enlarging loop, giving back to source (creature mind) an ever greater volume of truth, distilled and personalized, Dietized and actualized, changing the fact-set in profound ways – new reality and new potential created by choice and experience by every mind.  This, I think, is a principal reason that truth is always partial and relative, truth itself is evolving….even Diety faces uncertainties and new sets of circumstances and outcomes for their endless experience of choice in this constant flux of prior choice outcomes and new potentials (this is not to suggest any uncertainties as to unltimate outcomes/destiny for our Paradise Parents but is meant to recognize the fluidity of evolutionary results in the Super Universes of time and space).  So reality response requires the facts of reality to respond to but the response itself is the truth-journey within those reality facts.

    But only on a new world and isolated worlds and only those where both rebellion and default have left the mortals of the sphere in utter darkness as to the facts of universe reality does this  issue seem relevant.  For the facts of universe reality are not otherwise unknown, even to mortals.  So I am somewhat skeptical that any of the primary spirits of Mother, Father, Son are principally engaged in “fact recognition” (there are text books for that and we now have one) – but are, rather, primarily or exclusively engaged in reality “response” – the truths that can only be discovered by choice in a mind seeking spirit and able to discern the righteous effects from righteous cause (or in our tadpole infancies, the consequences of material attachments).  Facts can be known but not lived while truth must be lived to be known.  But the truth led life progresses most within a reality based set of facts.  And so, our perspective is equally affected by both the facts known and truths real-ized in mind.

    I may have strayed here far from relevancy and if so, apologies.  Just reflections from reading the topic so far.

    God the Supreme

    (1278.1) 117:0.1 TO THE extent that we do the will of God in whatever universe station we may have our existence, in that measure the almighty potential of the Supreme becomes one step more actual. The will of God is the purpose of the First Source and Center as it is potentialized in the three Absolutes, personalized in the Eternal Son, conjoined for universe action in the Infinite Spirit, and eternalized in the everlasting patterns of Paradise. And God the Supreme is becoming the highest finite manifestation of the total will of God.

    (1278.2) 117:0.2 If all grand universers should ever relatively achieve the full living of the will of God, then would the time-space creations be settled in light and life, and then would the Almighty, the deity potential of Supremacy, become factual in the emergence of the divine personality of God the Supreme.

    (1278.3) 117:0.3 When an evolving mind becomes attuned to the circuits of cosmic mind, when an evolving universe becomes stabilized after the pattern of the central universe, when an advancing spirit contacts the united ministry of the Master Spirits, when an ascending mortal personality finally attunes to the divine leading of the indwelling Adjuster, then has the actuality of the Supreme become real by one more degree in the universes; then has the divinity of Supremacy advanced one more step toward cosmic realization.

    (1278.4) 117:0.4 The parts and individuals of the grand universe evolve as a reflection of the total evolution of the Supreme, while in turn the Supreme is the synthetic cumulative total of all grand universe evolution. From the mortal viewpoint both are evolutionary and experiential reciprocals.

    1. Nature of the Supreme Being

    (1278.5) 117:1.1 The Supreme is the beauty of physical harmony, the truth of intellectual meaning, and the goodness of spiritual value. He is the sweetness of true success and the joy of everlasting achievement. He is the oversoul of the grand universe, the consciousness of the finite cosmos, the completion of finite reality, and the personification of Creator-creature experience. Throughout all future eternity God the Supreme will voice the reality of volitional experience in the trinity relationships of Deity.

    (1278.6) 117:1.2 In the persons of the Supreme Creators the Gods have descended from Paradise to the domains of time and space, there to create and to evolve creatures with Paradise-attainment capacity who can ascend thereto in quest of the Father. This universe procession of descending God-revealing Creators and ascending God-seeking creatures is revelatory of the Deity evolution of the Supreme, in whom both descenders and ascenders achieve mutuality of understanding, the discovery of eternal and universal brotherhood. The Supreme Being thus becomes the finite synthesis of the experience of the perfect-Creator cause and the perfecting-creature response.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  13. . . . getting back to the three cosmic reality recognition responses . . . I think it’s important to remember what their purpose is. Their purpose is not to recognize facts on three different levels of reality, which is what I think Nigel is saying, although I admit that I could be wrong about that. Their purpose is to establish those relative relationships between energy and spirit “. . . which are suggestive of mutual kinship in eternity” (9:4.5). The cosmic mind accomplishes this task by the technique of self-revelation (16:6.10).

    I think the “self-revelation” they are talking about pertains to the Infinite Spirit – the Infinite Spirit uses a technique of self-revelation.  Here’s a bit about the Seven Master Spirits who are fundamental to this divine self-revelation . . . and on down the line to the lowest mind.

    23:1:1 [#1]
    Immediately following the creation of the Seven Spirits of the Havona Circuits the Infinite Spirit brought into being the vast corps of Solitary Messengers. There is no part of the universal creation which is pre-existent to the Solitary Messengers except Paradise and the Havona circuits; they have functioned throughout the grand universe from near eternity. They are fundamental to the divine technique of the Infinite Spirit for self–revelation to, and personal contact with, the far-flung creations of time and space.
    Human mind is the lowest mind of all.
    42:11:8 [#2]
    The higher the universe mind associated with any universe phenomenon, the more difficult it is for the lower types of mind to discover it. And since the mind of the universe mechanism is creative spirit-mind (even the mindedness of the Infinite), it can never be discovered or discerned by the lower-level minds of the universe, much less by the lowest mind of all, the human. The evolving animal mind, while naturally God-seeking, is not alone and of itself inherently God-knowing.

    Those cosmic intuitions affirm in the human mind the objective validity of our experience in and with thing,s meaning and values (16:6:10), despite the lowness of the type of mind we are endowed with.  These intuitions are a gift.  Part of our circuitry.  (Do circuits push or pull? Not sure. But I do think they are directional.) When these circuits are plugged in they elicit cosmic responses in people who evince reflective thinking, though we are informed that these intuitions always develop.  Our friend Scott (I miss your voice Scott!) often reminds us about them.

    16:6:9 [#1]
    These scientific, moral, and spiritual insights, these cosmic responses, are innate in the cosmic mind, which endows all will creatures. The experience of living never fails to develop these three cosmic intuitions; they are constitutive in the self-consciousness of reflective thinking. But it is sad to record that so few persons on Urantia take delight in cultivating these qualities of courageous and independent cosmic thinking.
    . . . why rename the Holy Spirit the spirit of facts? If you have to fabricate another name for her, why not the spirit of divinity reality recognition?
    A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. :-)
    The Holy Spirit does not explain the meaning of reality.
    For our mutual edification regarding reality:
    12:8:9 [#1]
    Though it is hardly possible for the mortal mind to comprehend the seven levels of relative cosmic reality, the human intellect should be able to grasp much of the meaning of three functioning levels of finite reality: [Matter, Mind, Spirit]
    To comprehend the Holy Spirit, we would need to study the nature of the Seven Master Spirits, who distribute mind to the grand universe as the cosmic mind. (9:4:3)
    34:6:6 [#2]
    The dead theory of even the highest religious doctrines is powerless to transform human character or to control mortal behavior. What the world of today needs is the truth which your teacher of old declared: “Not in word only but also in power and in the Holy Spirit.” The seed of theoretical truth is dead, the highest moral concepts without effect, unless and until the divine Spirit breathes upon the forms of truth and quickens the formulas of righteousness.
    36:5:16 [#2]
    The adjutant mind-spirits are in no manner directly related to the diverse and highly spiritual function of the spirit of the personal presence of the Divine Minister, the Holy Spirit of the inhabited worlds; but they are functionally antecedent to, and preparatory for, the appearance of this very spirit in evolutionary man. The adjutants afford the Universe Mother Spirit a varied contact with, and control over, the material living creatures of a local universe, but they do not repercuss in the Supreme Being when acting on prepersonality levels.
    101:3:2 [#3]
    Faith-insight, or spiritual intuition, is the endowment of the cosmic mind in association with the Thought Adjuster, which is the Father’s gift to man. Spiritual reason, soul intelligence, is the endowment of the Holy Spirit, the Creative Spirit’s gift to man. Spiritual philosophy, the wisdom of spirit realities, is the endowment of the Spirit of Truth, the combined gift of the bestowal Sons to the children of men. And the co-ordination and interassociation of these spirit endowments constitute man a spirit personality in potential destiny.
    I’m just sayin’ there’s more to the Holy Spirit.  She is a Nebadon  influence that “. . . functions to enlarge man’s viewpoint of ethics, religion, and spirituality.” ( 103:0:1)
    117:5:8 [#3]
    And so it is with the spiritual circuits: Man utilizes these in his ascent through the universes, but he never possesses them as a part of his eternal personality. But these circuits of spiritual ministry, whether Spirit of Truth, Holy Spirit, or superuniverse spirit presences, are receptive and reactive to the emerging values in ascending personality, and these values are faithfully transmitted through the Sevenfold to the Supreme.
     
  14. Mara wrote:I think the “self-revelation” they are talking about pertains to the Infinite Spirit – the Infinite Spirit uses a technique of self-revelation.
    The Solitary Messengers take part in the self-revelaiton of the Infinite Spirit to the universes of time and space. They actually wrote several of the papers in the book.  But that is not the self-revelation referred to when it comes to the function of the cosmic mind in relations to humans.  The self-revelation technique referred to is a form of auto-revelation which requires the presence of the Adjuster (101:4.3).
    Mara wrote: Those cosmic intuitions affirm in the human mind the objective validity of our experience in and with thing,s meaning and values . . .
    But is that objective reality in the form of facts?
    Mara wrote: (Do circuits push or pull? Not sure. But I do think they are directional.)
    I was referring to the gravity response of the cosmic mind to reality as stated in the following quote.  I think of this kind of gravity as pulling us toward Paradise.
    16:6.4 This reality sensitivity of the cosmic mind responds to certain phases of reality just as energy-material responds to gravity. 
    Mara wrote:To comprehend the Holy Spirit, we would need to study the nature of the Seven Master Spirits, who distribute mind to the grand universe as the cosmic mind. (9:4:3)

    The Holy Spirit is not the cosmic mind.  The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the personal presence of the Creative Spirit or Divine Minister (36:5.16).  The cosmic mind is impersonal (9:5,4), the Holy Spirit is personal. It is the personal Holy Spirit who enables the human mind to have access to the impersonal cosmic mind.  Personal beings have difficulty accessing impersonal ministries without the assistance of a personal being (113:3.1; 113:3.5).

    Mara wrote:  I’m just sayin’ there’s more to the Holy Spirit.
    Yeah, I agree.  That’s why I wrote a book about it.
  15. I’m still thinking about this topic.  I have a tremendous amount of catching up to do.  :-)   I am neither a scientist nor a philosopher.

     

  16. Mara wrote:  I’m still thinking about this topic.
    Me too.  I was sincerely hoping for more input from others, especially Nigel since it is his topic.
    I thought you brought up something worth exploring when you mentioned that the 3 cosmic reality recognition responses (also called intuitions) are meant to confirm OBJECTIVE VALIDITY OF EXPERIENCE with things, meanings and values.  I think it’s safe to assume that things concern facts on the causality level; meanings concern judgments on the duty level; and, values concern divinity on the worship level.
    I don’t think the reality recognition responses, alone and by themselves, give objective validity to experience.  Personality has to be involved somewhere, there has to be a point of self-revelation, an aha moment where it all clicks together.  And I think those moments only come when all three levels of reality recognition are coordinated and unified by personality in the experience of doing God’s will. This type of objective validity would resonate with the Supreme.  I’ve been trying to think of a good example of this but haven’t come up with one yet.  Still thinking . . .  perhaps something from Jesus’ early life?  Will ponder.
  17. What about this quote?

    127:3.15 Jesus possessed the ability effectively to mobilize all his powers of mind, soul, and body on the task immediately in hand. He could concentrate his deep-thinking mind on the one problem which he wished to solve, and this, in connection with his untiring <em style=”color: #000000;”>patience, enabled him serenely to endure the trials of a difficult mortal existence — to live as if he were “seeing Him who is invisible.

    Mobilizing all the powers of mind, soul and body includes all three levels of reality recognition for the purpose of problem solving.  Problem solving is what religious living is all about when you come right down to it, and religious living is learning about cosmic reality.

    100:4.3 But the great problem of religious living consists in the task of unifying the soul powers of the personality by the dominance of LOVE. Health, mental efficiency, and happiness arise from the unification of physical systems, mind systems, and spirit systems.

    We’re told that if we allow the soul powers of our personality to unify physical, mind and spirit systems we will find health, mental efficiency and happiness. This requires reality recognition followed by deep thinking on how to unify all three.

    100:4.2 Religious perplexities are inevitable; there can be no growth without psychic conflict and spiritual agitation. The organization of a philosophic standard of living entails considerable commotion in the philosophic realms of the mind. . . .  And the human intellect protests against being weaned from subsisting upon the nonspiritual energies of temporal existence. The slothful animal mind rebels at the effort required to wrestle with cosmic problem solving.

    Deep thinking is necessary for psychic growth and psychic growth is necessary for circle mastery.  The cosmic reality recognition responses are designed to help us with cosmic problem solving and I believe that unification of all three systems requires not only the human personality but the pre-personality of God as well.

  18. What about this quote? 127:3.15 Jesus possessed the ability effectively to mobilize all his powers of mind, soul, and body. . . .

    They tell us how Jesus problem-solves.  In a way we re doing it too in trying to get to the bottom of those cosmic intuitions.  Since they are intuitions, we might find the best we can do is hedge round about them, rather than put them under a microscope.

    . . . the 3 cosmic reality recognition responses (also called intuitions) are meant to confirm OBJECTIVE VALIDITY OF EXPERIENCE with things, meanings and values.

    Yesterday I focused on OBJECTIVE VALIDITY.   It seems objective validity (look up Kant) proceeds from theoretical deduction, rather than observation or experience.  Of course i don’t know if the revelators used Kant’s ideas.  It’s counterpart is subjective validity which he says is based in the interpretation of experience.  If the revelators are distinguishing objective validity in this manner, then these mind endowments are implaced prior to experience.  They are ready at hand to help us once we decide to start to think about reality – things, meanings and values.

  19. What I’m trying to say about objective validity is that in order for experience to be considered a reality (valid), it needs to undergo intelligent criticism and philosophic interpretation on all three levels. Regardless of what kind of experience it is, it cannot be real or valid  if it is an isolated part of life.  Even though mind, matter and spirit are all equally real, they are not of equal value to personality when it comes to progress, therefore reality needs to be integrated according to the problems at hand.

    Intelligent criticism, philosophic interpretation, the deep thinking that Jesus did, are all ways to discover, recognize and interpret the value of these realities as they apply to the problems we all encounter in daily living.  The problem can be a physical one like trying to make enough money to eat.  The problem can be a moral one like whether or not to defend yourself when picked upon.  The problem can be a spiritual one like how best to do God’s will.  But all of those individual problems still need to be evaluated on all three levels of reality and not isolated by themselves if the solution is going to result in a balanced personality.

    This is my feeble attempt at providing an example of how the cosmic intuitions or reality recognition responses work in real life. What makes this process objective and valid is that the final result can be acted out, it can be experienced, and it results in a level of soul satisfaction because it is true. I have thought of an example from my own life, but it is a long-winded tale which I don’t have time for today.  Lots of visitors here this weekend – combination Labor Day and birthday festivities.

  20. What I’m trying to say about objective validity. . . .

    I do follow what you are saying about experience (I think :-) ) in the way you describe problem solving via the discovery of, the recognition of, the interpretation of (including the intelligent criticism of the interpretation of),  and the choosing of something to reach a resultant solution to the problem at hand.  I agree, if I’ve got that right.  Rodan had a lot to say about problem-solving and how to go about it.  The a posteriori  approach starts out with “discovery” of something/s (real or imagined) after the fact or experience.

    According to my current line of thought, the three cosmic mind intuitions given to us are a priori , or prior to the discovery of something/s (real r imagined).

     

     

     

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