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The Word of God

48 posts · 6 participants · started Jun 20, 2017, 1:11 PM

  1. what is the distorting mechanism/s? Personality?  environment? Mental disease? After effects of rebellion? All of the above? Our physical brain?

    Personality doesn’t distort.  Personality is a pattern from the Universal Father on Paradise; it’s paid all its gravity debts so it’s non-distortable.  Personality does have the power of choice though, and in that sense, it can create.  But it can’t create without mind.  Mind is its creative substance, which is why the Adjuster lives there, so we can co-create with him.  What the personality chooses to create depends entirely on what’s happening in the individual mind.

    Mental disease, brain damage, genetic variables affecting the function of intellect, environmental agents damaging the brain and/or distracting the intellect all play a role. In fact, there are certain racial factors too which influence the ability of the brain to make contact and respond to the adjutants.  For instance, I think the blue man preferred alphabet writing, the red man preferred pictures for writing and the yellow man used symbols.  These differences in preference affect the avenue in which creativity takes shape in the mind.

    But the adjutants are relentless.  They will continue their ministry until death do us part.  Some people have legitimate reasons for their mental difficulties, some others are lazy, and some are actively resistant. Have you ever noticed that some people get pleasure from being contrary? Some folks get childish satisfaction out of being destructive rather than constructive.

    As to the assault of the rebellion on the Word, we all know it happened.  It was deliberate, deceitful, destructive and devastating. The rebels do their most destructive work in the mind arena.  But I think it is a total cop out to blame the devil for evil thoughts.  Doing so is immature and lazy.  All mind ministries are urgers, prodders, coaxers and drivers toward reality (don’t forget those reality reflexes).  All that far outweighs the potential stumbling blocks provided by the rebellion.

    53:7.13 They continued their deceptive and seductive efforts to confuse and mislead the minds of men and angels.

  2. Excellent point. Our motives are not always in line with our words. Some part of us can easily get in between the two creating difficulties. That said: As the Word goes out as the original Son into the time space creation there must be built in distortions simply because it’s finite here and infinite perfection there.

    Gene….can’t say I really understand the following but I do think it goes to the issue of distortion.  Also, as the 7 Master Spirits are ‘expressed’ in each Super Universe, there is a unique Word or expression of God’s nature and being by every Creator Son I think.  They’re creative expression is also formed by wisdom as gained by experience.

    The Paper 118 – Supreme and Ultimate is difficult for me but can shift a paradigm or two!!

    118:4.1 (1298.1) Many of the theologic difficulties and the metaphysical dilemmas of mortal man are due to man’s mislocation of Deity personality and consequent assignment of infinite and absolute attributes to subordinate Divinity and to evolutionary Deity. You must not forget that, while there is indeed a true First Cause, there are also a host of co-ordinate and subordinate causes, both associate and secondary causes.

    118:4.2 (1298.2) The vital distinction between first causes and second causes is that first causes produce original effects which are free from inheritance of any factor derived from any antecedent causation. Secondary causes yield effects which invariably exhibit inheritance from other and preceding causation.

    118:4.3 (1298.3) The purely static potentials inherent in the Unqualified Absolute are reactive to those causations of the Deity Absolute which are produced by the actions of the Paradise Trinity. In the presence of the Universal Absolute these causative-impregnated static potentials forthwith become active and responsive to the influence of certain transcendental agencies whose actions result in the transmutation of these activated potentials to the status of true universe possibilities for development, actualized capacities for growth. It is upon such matured potentials that the creators and controllers of the grand universe enact the never-ending drama of cosmic evolution.

    118:4.4 (1298.4) Causation, disregarding existentials, is threefold in its basic constitution. As it operates in this universe age and concerning the finite level of the seven superuniverses, it may be conceived as follows:

    118:4.5 (1298.5) 1. Activation of static potentials. The establishment of destiny in the Universal Absolute by the actions of the Deity Absolute, operating in and upon the Unqualified Absolute and in consequence of the volitional mandates of the Paradise Trinity.

    118:4.6 (1298.6) 2. Eventuation of universe capacities. This involves the transformation of undifferentiated potentials into segregated and defined plans. This is the act of the Ultimacy of Deity and of the manifold agencies of the transcendental level. Such acts are in perfect anticipation of the future needs of the entire master universe. It is in connection with the segregation of potentials that the Architects of the Master Universe exist as the veritable embodiments of the Deity concept of the universes. Their plans appear to be ultimately space limited in extent by the concept periphery of the master universe, but as plans they are not otherwise conditioned by time or space.

    118:4.7 (1298.7) 3. Creation and evolution of universe actuals. It is upon a cosmos impregnated by the capacity-producing presence of the Ultimacy of Deity that the Supreme Creators operate to effect the time transmutations of matured potentials into experiential actuals. Within the master universe all actualization of potential reality is limited by ultimate capacity for development and is time-space conditioned in the final stages of emergence. The Creator Sons going out from Paradise are, in actuality, transformative creators in the cosmic sense. But this in no manner invalidates man’s concept of them as creators; from the finite viewpoint they certainly can and do create.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  3. What distorts or corrupts the Mother Spirits mind ministry? Or the Spitit of truth?

    The same thing that corrupts the Thought Adjuster’s ministry: opposition, resistance and obstructionism, refusal to go the way of universe gravity in preference for the “way of the self.”

    But the Holy Spirit is a little bit different.  She doesn’t rely as much on cooperation as does the Spirit of Truth.  The Spirit of Truth is limited in his ability to do his work by the person’s identification with the gospel message of the fatherhood of God.  If a person doesn’t accept that on some level, the Spirit of Truth’s work is very much curtailed.  But not so much with the Holy Spirit.  Once that first moral decision is made and the soul is born, you’re stuck with her (affectionately speaking).

    The Holy Spirit is part of the soul, and the soul will grow in and of itself, at least initially.  The more you cooperate, the easier the job for the Holy Spirit, but she works on you even if you resist, like all good mothers.  Her work is independent of your attitude . . . the soul must be fed in those early years.  Mother’s don’t wait for their babies to cooperate.

    34:5.5 Though the Spirit of Truth is poured out upon all flesh, this spirit of the Son is almost wholly limited in function and power by man’s personal reception of that which constitutes the sum and substance of the mission of the bestowal Son. The Holy Spirit is partly independent of human attitude and partially conditioned by the decisions and co-operation of the will of man. Nevertheless, the ministry of the Holy Spirit becomes increasingly effective in the sanctification and spiritualization of the inner life of those mortals who the more fully obey the divine leadings.

     

     

  4. How do we deceive ourselves to the point where we loose track of these vital ministries and begin to talk to dead people and hear their voices or firmly believe we have had many lives before this one or have our unhealthy fantasies become our living reality?

    Because man is a myth maker.

    4:5.1 Religious tradition is the imperfectly preserved record of the experiences of the God-knowing men of past ages, but such records are untrustworthy as guides for religious living or as the source of true information about the Universal Father. Such ancient beliefs have been invariably altered by the fact that primitive man was a mythmaker.

    This quote says primitive man WAS a myth maker, but apparently it still happens that some modern folk lapse into primitive myth-like thinking from time to time with their illogical creative imaginings.  We even see it here on this forum from time to time . . . the mind at mischief . . . just hovering on the brink of reality.

    Then there’s also a racial/cultural component which seems to favor myth making.

    122:8.7 Oriental and near-Oriental minds delight in fairy stories, and they are continually spinning such beautiful myths about the lives of their religious leaders and political heroes.

    Then again, Joseph Campbell would argue that myth making is part of the hero’s journey, a vital attempt of the human mind to relate to the transcendent.  I think that’s all well and good provided the mind remains grounded in reality while playing with its contemplations.  Those cosmic reality reflexes must be allowed to function.  Once they’re turned off . . . all hell breaks loose . . .  pandemonium.

     

     

  5. The word of God . . . does it exist? If so, what is it? Where is it? How do we find it? How do we recognize it when we find it? They say the word of God is the bread of life. What does that mean?

    This has been a most helpful topic and discussion to me.  I am thinking that the “Word” of God is revealed and spoken (or echoed?) by every creature who hears, responds, and gives personal voice to God’s Love.  I am especially impressed by the Holy Spirit’s role and the Adjutants who minister to the most ignorant, fearful, blind, primitive, immature, and material of all God’s children.  The word of God is spoken endlessly in this friendly universe.  And now we have the Father Fragments and the Son’s Spirit to give even more power and harmony and clarity to that Voice of Love.

    This is how even the mortal tadpoles can serve….to bring forth the fruits of the Spirit, demonstrate them in our daily life and walk,  and share them others.  Even we can be the Word….the choice made, the love given, self forgetting service to others, kindness, happiness, patience, perspective, wisdom, hope, faith, trust, and sublime peace.

    Isn’t everything and everyone in all the universe of universes that are true, good, and beautiful…the Word of God?

    And the Supreme the integrated and aggregated experiential expression of the Word?

    Thanks Bonita….hope I’m not again in the weeds here.   ;-)

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  6. hope I’m not again in the weeds here. ;-)
    If you are in the weeds Bradly, then you’re the wheat amongst the tares.
  7. Isn’t everything and everyone in all the universe of universes that are true, good, and beautiful…the Word of God?

    The Word of God is the perfect expression of the Father’s perfect Thought.  But like everything else in the universe, there’s a third component.  The Word must become correlated with the Third Person of Deity in order to become a reality.  No actual or actualizing reality can escape eventual relationship with the Third Source and Center.(9:1.3)

     

  8. And the Supreme the integrated and aggregated experiential expression of the Word?

    The Word has to do with the meanings of values.  The Thought Adjuster is the source of values.  The Spirit of Truth is the source of the living meaning of those values.  The Holy Spirit is the means by which we recognize the reality of those meanings of values provided by the Spirit of Truth and Thought Adjuster.  Choosing the living meaning of a given value is a personality power which actualizes the potential of that reality.  Such an actualized reality is accomplished with the power of the Spirit, a co-creative miracle coordinating material reality with spiritual reality.  This co-created reality is reality which has been born of the Spirit and immediately becomes part of the experience of the Supreme.

    36:6.7 We observe that these three are the levels of God the Sevenfold, sometimes designated as the Supreme Creators of time and space; but otherwise we know little more than Urantia mortals – simply that concept is inherent in the Father, expression in the Son, and life realization in the Spirit.

    110:6.16 The motivation of faith makes experiential the full realization of man’s sonship with God, but action, completion of decisions, is essential to the evolutionary attainment of consciousness of progressive kinship with the cosmic actuality of the Supreme Being. Faith transmutes potentials to actuals in the spiritual world, but potentials become actuals in the finite realms of the Supreme only by and through the realization of choice-experience. But choosing to do the will of God joins spiritual faith to material decisions in personality action and thus supplies a divine and spiritual fulcrum for the more effective functioning of the human and material leverage of God-hunger. Such a wise co-ordination of material and spiritual forces greatly augments both cosmic realization of the Supreme and morontia comprehension of the Paradise Deities.

     

     

     

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