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The Word of God

48 posts · 6 participants · started Jun 20, 2017, 1:11 PM

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    Jesus said that his words have a transforming influence on the heart if they are permitted to strike down with living roots.  At the time, he was referring to his spoken words, but does the same apply to the written word of divine origin?

    177:5.2 These multitudes listen to the truth and believe it superficially with their minds, but few of them permit the word of truth to strike down into the heart with living roots. Those who know the gospel only in the mind, and who have not experienced it in the heart, cannot be depended upon for support when real trouble comes.

    162:7.2 “If my words abide in you and you are minded to do the will of my Father, then are you truly my disciples. You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 

     

  2. Can we all agree that words have meaning?  Can we all agree that meanings are part of the human quest?  Can we all agree that distortion of meaning is a human problem?  Then it must be that the quest for true meanings is paramount and that the true meaning of words is a worthwhile endeavor.  And I think we should all agree that true meanings are relative; they are not fixed and dead.

    171:8.8 And then the apostles sought to know the difference between the meaning of this parable and that of the former parable of the talents, but Jesus would only say, in answer to their many questions: “Ponder well these words in your hearts while each of you finds out their true meaning.”

    Ponder . . . a great word.

  3. Some text on the “human quest” for meaning for us to “ponder”:

    102:1.6 (1119.5) The indwelling Thought Adjuster unfailingly arouses in man’s soul a true and searching hunger for perfection together with a far-reaching curiosity which can be adequately satisfied only by communion with God, the divine source of that Adjuster. The hungry soul of man refuses to be satisfied with anything less than the personal realization of the living God. Whatever more God may be than a high and perfect moral personality, he cannot, in our hungry and finite concept, be anything less.

    14:5.10 (159.6) Love of adventure, curiosity, and dread of monotony — these traits inherent in evolving human nature — were not put there just to aggravate and annoy you during your short sojourn on earth, but rather to suggest to you that death is only the beginning of an endless career of adventure, an everlasting life of anticipation, an eternal voyage of discovery.

    14:5.11 (160.1) Curiosity — the spirit of investigation, the urge of discovery, the drive of exploration — is a part of the inborn and divine endowment of evolutionary space creatures. These natural impulses were not given you merely to be frustrated and repressed. True, these ambitious urges must frequently be restrained during your short life on earth, disappointment must be often experienced, but they are to be fully realized and gloriously gratified during the long ages to come.

    56:10.5 (646.6) The attainment of cosmologic levels of thought includes:

    56:10.6 (646.7) 1. Curiosity. Hunger for harmony and thirst for beauty. Persistent attempts to discover new levels of harmonious cosmic relationships.

    56:10.7 (646.8) 2. Aesthetic appreciation. Love of the beautiful and ever-advancing appreciation of the artistic touch of all creative manifestations on all levels of reality.

    56:10.8 (646.9) 3. Ethic sensitivity. Through the realization of truth the appreciation of beauty leads to the sense of the eternal fitness of those things which impinge upon the recognition of divine goodness in Deity relations with all beings; and thus even cosmology leads to the pursuit of divine reality values — to God-consciousness.

    56:10.9 (646.10) The worlds settled in light and life are so fully concerned with the comprehension of truth, beauty, and goodness because these quality values embrace the revelation of Deity to the realms of time and space. The meanings of eternal truth make a combined appeal to the intellectual and spiritual natures of mortal man. Universal beauty embraces the harmonious relations and rhythms of the cosmic creation; this is more distinctly the intellectual appeal and leads towards unified and synchronous comprehension of the material universe. Divine goodness represents the revelation of infinite values to the finite mind, therein to be perceived and elevated to the very threshold of the spiritual level of human comprehension.

    56:10.10 (647.1) Truth is the basis of science and philosophy, presenting the intellectual foundation of religion. Beauty sponsors art, music, and the meaningful rhythms of all human experience. Goodness embraces the sense of ethics, morality, and religion — experiential perfection-hunger.

    56:10.11 (647.2) The existence of beauty implies the presence of appreciative creature mind just as certainly as the fact of progressive evolution indicates the dominance of the Supreme Mind. Beauty is the intellectual recognition of the harmonious time-space synthesis of the far-flung diversification of phenomenal reality, all of which stems from pre-existent and eternal oneness.

    56:10.12 (647.3) Goodness is the mental recognition of the relative values of the diverse levels of divine perfection. The recognition of goodness implies a mind of moral status, a personal mind with ability to discriminate between good and evil. But the possession of goodness, greatness, is the measure of real divinity attainment.

    56:10.13 (647.4) The recognition of true relations implies a mind competent to discriminate between truth and error. The bestowal Spirit of Truth which invests the human minds of Urantia is unerringly responsive to truth — the living spirit relationship of all things and all beings as they are co-ordinated in the eternal ascent Godward.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  4. The most comforting quote I can offer when it comes to seeking the true meaning of words is this one:

    181:2.24 “I have taught you much by word of mouth, and I have lived my life among you. I have done all that can be done to enlighten your minds and liberate your souls, and what you have not been able to get from my teachings and my life, you must now prepare to acquire at the hand of that master of all teachers – actual experience. And in all of this new experience which now awaits you, I will go before you and the Spirit of Truth shall be with you. Fear not; that which you now fail to comprehend, the new teacher, when he has come, will reveal to you throughout the remainder of your life on earth and on through your training in the eternal ages.“

    When I consider the novelty of being blessed by the first epochal revelation on earth not in the form of a person, I am honestly ecstatic. It’s clear that the “new teacher” is enough for us to benefit by a revelation “in written word” rather than “in-person word”.  Not everyone is aware that they have this teacher living in them, and even those who believe it, might not have any idea how to utilize such a teacher.

  5. Jesus used words for teaching purposes.  He spoke them and people listened with their ears then let the words grow roots in their hearts/souls.  Today we have the written word for teaching purposes.  People read it with their eyes then let the words grow roots in their hearts/souls.  Reading words is really no different than listening to words. Either way, meaning must be attached to both types of words.  But it’s the meaning discovered in the heart/soul that matters most.

    Jesus explained how we are taught the meaning of words by the spirit of the Father.  Today we have both the Spirit of Truth and the spirit of the Father (Adjuster) as teachers.  How wonderful!

    130:8.4 Said Jesus: “Why waste words upon one who cannot perceive the meaning of what you say? The spirit of the Father cannot teach and save one who has no capacity for sonship.” What Jesus meant was that the man was not of normal mind; that he lacked the ability to respond to spirit leading.

    The risk of confusing the meaning of words is essentially not significantly different whether they are spoken or written.  The advantage of course, is that the written word is more permanent so there is less chance of distortion over time, thus hopefully, a better opportunity for growth in meaning.  The words we debate over today will be the same words thousands of years from now, but with any luck, the meaning of those words will have grown in value.

     

  6. The Father is the source of all meanings and values.  His Son, the Word, is the living expression of those meanings and values.  His Creator Son is a personal revelation of living meanings and values to his creatures.   But written words on a page are essentially dead words until they are given meaning.  How we go about assigning meaning to words is myriad, particularly the words of everyday communication.  However, the words in the Urantia Book are not everyday words of communication, they are meant to have meanings lasting for generations and generations.  We know the Spirit of Truth is responsible for revealing the meaning of truth for each new generation.  If epochal revelation in the form of words is a revelation of truth, then I’m convinced that the meaning of the words in TUB must be revealed by the Spirit of Truth for each soul and for each generation.

    194:2.1 And now that he has personally left the world, he sends in his place his Spirit of Truth, who is designed to live in man and, for each new generation, to restate the Jesus message so that every new group of mortals to appear upon the face of the earth shall have a new and up-to-date version of the gospel, just such personal enlightenment and group guidance as will prove to be an effective solvent for man’s ever-new and varied spiritual difficulties.

    79:8.8 Truth is relative and expanding; it lives always in the present, achieving new expression in each generation of men–even in each human life.

    5:5.12 The experience of God-consciousness remains the same from generation to generation, but with each advancing epoch in human knowledge the philosophic concept and the theologic definitions of God must change. 

  7. The Father is the source of all meanings and values. His Son, the Word, is the living expression of those meanings and values. His Creator Son is a personal revelation of living meanings and values to his creatures. But written words on a page are essentially dead words until they are given meaning. How we go about assigning meaning to words is myriad, particularly the words of everyday communication. However, the words in the Urantia Book are not everyday words of communication, they are meant to have meanings lasting for generations and generations. We know the Spirit of Truth is responsible for revealing the meaning of truth for each new generation. If epochal revelation in the form of words is a revelation of truth, then I’m convinced that the meaning of the words in TUB must be revealed by the Spirit of Truth for each soul and for each generation.

    194:2.1 And now that he has personally left the world, he sends in his place his Spirit of Truth, who is designed to live in man and, for each new generation, to restate the Jesus message so that every new group of mortals to appear upon the face of the earth shall have a new and up-to-date version of the gospel, just such personal enlightenment and group guidance as will prove to be an effective solvent for man’s ever-new and varied spiritual difficulties. 79:8.8 Truth is relative and expanding; it lives always in the present, achieving new expression in each generation of men–even in each human life. 5:5.12 The experience of God-consciousness remains the same from generation to generation, but with each advancing epoch in human knowledge the philosophic concept and the theologic definitions of God must change.

    The word obviously is easily distorted. No fault of the various ministries.

    these quotes get me thinking – do you think the authors would be talking like that to beings on an evolutionary world free of rebellion and in possession of divine living teachers?

    we are told that we die because we do not fuse with our adjuster. Do you think the mechanism or other issues that make this the norm are analogous to how the Word gets distorted?

    what is the distorting mechanism/s? Personality?  environment? Mental disease? After effects of rebellion? All of the above? Our physical brain?

    What distorts or corrupts the Mother Spirits mind ministry? Or the Spitit of truth?

    How do we deceive ourselves to the point where we loose track of these vital ministries and begin to talk to dead people and hear their voices or firmly believe we have had many lives before this one or have our unhealthy fantasies become our living reality?

    just thinking.

  8. Fantastic questions Gene!! Like WOW!

    Do you think I should try to answer or let other people have a go at it first?  I definitely do too much talking here . . . too many words.  I’d love to hear what other people think first, because once I get started I can’t shut up.

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    Fantastic questions Gene!! Like WOW! Do you think I should try to answer or let other people have a go at it first? I definitely do too much talking here . . . too many words. I’d love to hear what other people think first, because once I get started I can’t shut up.

    dont shut up for me

    id like to hear from anyone who takes an interest

  10. Logicals thinkings bro.

         1.  … do you think the authors would be talking like that to beings on an evolutionary world free of rebellion and in possession of divine living teachers?

    Wouldn’t think so. Those normal evolutionary world aren’t plague by those “unfortunates” circumstances. Would like Gene to point out concerning  Divine teachers, Urantia is not in a helpless situation au contraire.

         2.     Do you think the mechanism or other issues that make this the norm are analogous to how the Word gets distorted?

    Distortion IMO came from  choosing repeatedly, consciously  to do errors. The norm related to die instead of fusing on our planet emerge from a primitive, ignorant statute.

    1.   How do we deceive ourselves to the point where we lose track of these vital ministries and begin to  … ?

    Confusion / confusion / confusion. Without answering those spiritual compulsions when opportunities to make a choice to do good and went the bad direction pressured by external and internal ignorances.  TUB reminds us it take courage to stand up against wrongdoing.

    Thanks Gene to propose those inquiries regarding ours beliefs.

  11. Would like Gene to point out concerning Divine teachers, Urantia is not in a helpless situation au contraire.

    Divine teacher status would take a bit of research

    however: if lucifer had not rebelled, where would he and his staff be right now? I’m not certain.

    if Adam and Eve had not defaulted the genetic upgrade that the human race missed may have evolved people capable of revealing truth? Or the human race may have been closer to angelic beings. We may have been able to be closer to God through Jesus, knowing Jesus much better. Adjuster fusion may be much more common and accepted as normal.

    no, we are not helpless Urantians but we are certainly earning the title of Agondonter

  12. these quotes get me thinking – do you think the authors would be talking like that to beings on an evolutionary world free of rebellion and in possession of divine living teachers?

    Yeah, I think so.  The quotes are about the Spirit of Truth and the work he does in the soul.  If a planet, regardless of status, receives a Spirit of Truth, then that Spirit will behave the same no matter where or what.   Of course, the work the Spirit of Truth has to do is perhaps harder on a world of rebellion and default, but I doubt that it’s much harder. In fact, one could argue that it might be easier because the contrast between good and evil is more pronounced.  Either way, we’re told this:

    p382:6 34:7.6 Notwithstanding this double disaster to man’s nature and his environment, present-day mortals would experience less of this apparent warfare between the flesh and the spirit if they would enter the spirit kingdom, wherein the faith sons of God enjoy comparative deliverance from the slave-bondage of the flesh in the enlightened and liberating service of wholehearted devotion to doing the will of the Father in heaven. Jesus showed mankind the new way of mortal living whereby human beings may very largely escape the dire consequences of the Caligastic rebellion and most effectively compensate for the deprivations resulting from the Adamic default. “The spirit of the life of Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of animal living and the temptations of evil and sin.” “This is the victory that overcomes the flesh, even your faith.”

    The spiritual effects of the rebellion and default do not affect us.  It’s only in the mental and physical realms where we suffer the consequences.  The Spirit of Truth is in the spiritual realm and when you work with him the spiritual result has dominion over the mental and physical realms, essentially neutralizing the repercussions of the rebellion and default.

    p761:6 67:7.7 Caligastia rebelled, Adam and Eve did default, but no mortal subsequently born on Urantia has suffered in his personal spiritual experience because of these blunders. Every mortal born on Urantia since Caligastia’s rebellion has been in some manner time-penalized, but the future welfare of such souls has never been in the least eternity-jeopardized. No person is ever made to suffer vital spiritual deprivation because of the sin of another. Sin is wholly personal as to moral guilt or spiritual consequences, notwithstanding its far-flung repercussions in administrative, intellectual, and social domains. 

  13. Can the word of God be corrupted?

  14. The word itself, no. 

  15. The word itself, no.

    Yeah, I agree.  The word of God is living truth, right?  They tell us that truth is inconcussible.  But they also say that it when it becomes linked to facts, corruption creeps in.

    118:3.3  Truth is inconcussible — forever exempt from all transient vicissitudes, albeit never dead and formal, always vibrant and adaptable — radiantly alive. But when truth becomes linked with fact, then both time and space condition its meanings and correlate its values. Such realities of truth wedded to fact become concepts and are accordingly relegated to the domain of relative cosmic realities.

    What happens when people think the written word is the word of God, the living truth?  Does truth then become wedded to fact?

  16. What happens when people think the written word is the word of God, the living truth? Does truth then become wedded to fact?

    My opinion, or should I say historically? Yes.

    however, thinking about how Jesus interpreted the written word so many times for his audiences gives me reason to believe that intelligence and genuine truth seeking is remedial.

  17. however, thinking about how Jesus interpreted the written word so many times for his audiences gives me reason to believe that intelligence and genuine truth seeking is remedial.

    Yeah, he was a master of reading life into dead words.  That’s for sure.  I suppose he’s doing that still today.

  18. we are told that we die because we do not fuse with our adjuster. Do you think the mechanism or other issues that make this the norm are analogous to how the Word gets distorted?

    Analogous or caused by?

    If our thoughts guide us Godward (or not), and the words themselves aren’t important to God, then I would say that the reason we don’t fuse has more to do with thought distortion.  But since most normal people attempt to communicate with God in words, I think word distortion can lead to thought distortion, and then it can get messy.

    It all comes down to the meanings of words and the attitude the individual strikes in regards to those meanings and values.  Is it possible to attach erroneous meanings to words and then develop a distorted attitude toward God because of that?  Yeah I think so.  Can that slow spiritual progress?  Definitely.

  19. Excellent point.

    Our motives are not always in line with our words. Some part of us can easily get in between the two creating difficulties. That said:

    As the Word goes out as the original Son into the time space creation there must be built in distortions simply because it’s finite here and infinite perfection there.

     

  20. As the Word goes out as the original Son into the time space creation there must be built in distortions simply because it’s finite here and infinite perfection there.

    Well . . .  perfection of Divinity only occurs on existential levels.  All the rest of reality falls into 6 other categories of relative perfection (0:1.18).  We’re out on the end of this spectrum.  But the good news is that we have a focus of perfection to guide us toward those existential levels, the Thought Adjuster.  And the other bit of really good news is that out here where we are is the place where the cosmic mind has it’s greatest function.  In other words, mind gravity really has some oomph-power for us.

    9.6.7  The greater the spirit-energy divergence, the greater the observable function of mind; the lesser the diversity of energy and spirit, the lesser the observable function of mind. Apparently, the maximum function of the cosmic mind is in the time universes of space. Here mind seems to function in a mid-zone between energy and spirit, but this is not true of the higher levels of mind; on Paradise, energy and spirit are essentially one.

    They say that the most beautiful thing in the universe is the contrast between imperfection and perfection, creature and Creator.  What makes it beautiful?  I think it’s the Creator’s efforts and the creature’s willingness to be perfected  . . . true, beautiful and good.

     56:10.3 The supreme beauty, the height of finite art, is the drama of the unification of the vastness of the cosmic extremes of Creator and creature. Man finding God and God finding man—the creature becoming perfect as is the Creator—that is the supernal achievement of the supremely beautiful, the attainment of the apex of cosmic art.

    I think the distortions are really imperfections in understanding meanings and values, which is one reason why it’s so critical to develop spiritual insight into true meanings and values by making contact with the Creator and learning his ways.  Then let the cosmic mind ping away with its reality beacons to keep you in chartered waters.

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