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The Urantia Book and the Soul

48 posts · 9 participants · started Apr 14, 2016, 3:00 PM

  1. Just curious

    when referring to material mind or human mind or mortal mind and the various mind ministries and soul growth, human intellect is something related but separate, no? How do you think human intellect fits into all of this??? We are also told that there is a plan for our intellectual evolution – they say it’s sublime perfection. Human  Mind and intellect are not one and the same??  Is intellect our physical brains at work??

    what am I missing.

     

  2. Thanks for your honesty Keryn. I guess I’ll have to rethink my reason for being here. Maybe try a new approach. Don’t know.

    Bonita, I fear you misunderstand me.  The fact that your advanced abilities in studying and interpreting TUB are far beyond mine is certainly no insult to you.  I am very appreciative of the time you spend sharing your perspectives here.  I am struggling to keep up, only because I am not as familiar with TUB teachings as you and others on this forum are; which is why it is so essential to have your posts as a resource for others like me who are lower on the learning curve of TUB’s complexities.

  3. Keryn wrote: . . . like me who are lower on the learning curve of TUB’s complexities.
    Well ya woulda fooled me.  You seem pretty well versed in TUB’s complexities to me.  I think you “misunderestimate” yourself.
    Gene wrote: . . . .human intellect is something related but separate, no? How do you think human intellect fits into all of this??? . . . Human  Mind and intellect are not one and the same??  Is intellect our physical brains at work??
    Mind and intellect are essentially the same thing with one slight difference: Intellect is inherited, mind is gifted.  Mind is a ministry and intellect is the individual’s personal use of mind ministry according to their inherited ability.  There are different levels of mind and different levels of intellect.  We have a material mind functioning with material intelligence inherited from our earth parents.  We have a soul mind (morontia mind) functioning with soul intelligence (Holy Spirit), inherited from our spiritual parents.  The two higher adjutant mind ministries serve as a bridge between the two.  When the Adjusters volunteer for their assignments, they take into consideration the inherited intellectual capacity of the individual as well as the inherited potential for receptivity to the higher adjutants which is so necessary for the growth of the soul.
    Mind is defined as:  The thinking, perceiving, and feeling mechanism of the human organism. The total conscious and unconscious experience. The intelligence associated with the emotional life reaching upward through worship and wisdom to the spirit level. (0:5.8)
    108:1.2 Although we do not definitely know, we firmly believe that all Thought Adjusters are volunteers. But before ever they volunteer, they are in possession of full data respecting the candidate for indwelling. The seraphic drafts of ancestry and projected patterns of life conduct are transmitted via Paradise to the reserve corps of Adjusters on Divinington by the reflectivity technique extending inward from the capitals of the local universes to the headquarters of the superuniverses. This forecast covers not only the hereditary antecedents of the mortal candidate but also the estimate of probable intellectual endowment and spiritual capacity. The Adjusters thus volunteer to indwell minds of whose intimate natures they have been fully apprised.
  4. Adjusters are gamblers?

  5. Dear brotherhood,

    Keryn opens the curtain and reveals the suspected presence of the silent audience. For sure, I read that interesting thread  ….

    And I must admit if I came on the English forum … it is to relax, it is because I’m exhausted(spiritually) ending at  3 courses on UBIS. Mostly because one of this course, a reader brought up ”imagine” the topic on eugenic. It took almost half of the 6 week session. It was like a ”tsunami” also known as a seismic mind wave. The brother has a strong character and did shake our lukewarm opinion.

    For my parts, I like very much when somebody (preferably, reader of TUB) pulls the rug under my feet and oblige to re balance and attune my point of view, cosmic perspective. Under his interaction with the class, I consider we pretty much re-define clearly the subject as revealed by the revealators. But, it wasn’t without collateral ego sensibility bruises.

    So ….. reading your post is like taking a good cold beer under the sun.

    … later when finish my beer, I’ll post something regarding this thread.

    p.s.  Nigel  … I heard must be a recorded video about your participation on the Scientific seminaries held earlier … but I’ am unable retrace it on the net. Have you any clue, please ?

    Warm brotherhood regards ,

    André

  6. andre wrote:

    p.s. Nigel…  I heard must be a recorded video about your participation on the Scientific seminaries held earlier… but I’ am unable retrace it on the net. Have you any clue, please ?

    Hi andre – that video was a very preliminary snapshot, and not worth watching. Most of the animations in the diagrams got washed out by the screen glare, and the video played back faster than expected so I spent the entire 42 minutes trying to make the narration match the movie (which was playing on another presenter’s device via the web to a screen 3 feet away).

    But fear not, I’m recording a far better version. For now, to get a hint of what’s in store, best to look at this PDF script (screenshots and text).

    Nigel

  7. All,

    post •20626   Zuimon

    As I stated earlier, I wont comment Zuimon introduction thread. Except, pointing out there is too much allegations totally undermine/misinterpret TUB.

    post •20664  Bonita

    Understanding why we have thoughts is like trying to understand why water is wet.

    The purpose of thinking is to elevate it not to analyze it.

    Jesus told us it was foolish to try overcome mental dysfunctional connections  (don’t remember the quote) by ourself.

    Vive le brotherhood … where cosmic perspective enhance one another.

    The truth is, if your thoughts and feelings are constantly conflicted, chances are you are fighting against reality and ignoring God’s will … and I remember somewhere it was said … not choosing a ideal cause can be a cause of regression.

    It’s not about finding yourself and the truth of your feelings, it’s about finding God’s will

    … for me it sound finding anything else than God’s will … is illusion of the self. Finding yourself and truth of my feelings sound reverberation of Lucifer manifest.

    (sorry¹ editing box didn’t offer reduce police above)

    … sorry²  to deliver this post not completely well done … but I think I express the essentials.

    xoxo

    André

  8. andre wrote: Finding yourself and truth of my feelings sound reverberation of Lucifer manifest.

    Hi Andre!  I agree, if you spend all your time trying to find yourself, that’s all you’re going to find, and that’s not good enough.  I’d rather spend my time trying to find God, to learn more about him and how to do his will.  It seems to me that if you are looking for yourself, studying your feelings as though they were at the center of your world, then your world will revolve around yourself and your feelings, but nothing else.  That is certainly self-centered, selfish and, as you say, Luciferian.  Personally, I prefer to have my world revolve around the spirit center of my soul, God himself, who lives there.  And, we all know that God does not communicate with human feelings but with sublime thoughts.  It’s spiritualized thinking that makes you happy, not digging up feelings from the muck of the mind and playing with them, like kids making mud pies.  Zuimon makes me wonder if he has any idea at all of what spiritualized thinking actually is. My guess is that he thinks spiritualized thinking has something to do with channeling dead folks, at least that’s what I get from his writing.

    1104:06 101:1.3 The divine spirit makes contact with mortal man, not by feelings or emotions, but in the realm of the highest and most spiritualized thinking. It is your thoughts, not your feelings, that lead you Godward. The divine nature may be perceived only with the eyes of the mind. But the mind that really discerns God, hears the indwelling Adjuster, is the pure mind. “Without holiness no man may see the Lord.” All such inner and spiritual communion is termed spiritual insight. Such religious experiences result from the impress made upon the mind of man by the combined operations of the Adjuster and the Spirit of Truth as they function amid and upon the ideas, ideals, insights, and spirit strivings of the evolving sons of God.

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