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The Melchizedek Visit – 1000 AD

107 posts · 10 participants · started Aug 3, 2020, 9:41 AM

  1. Michael’s 7th and final bestowal incarnation was as a human, a mortal of the realm.  But it is interesting to note that his 1st bestowal was as a Melchizedek.  From the highest form of local universe origin beings to the lowest, in a successive and descending order.

    I suggest reading the first 4 sections of Paper 35 to learn about the Melchizedeks.  These beings have many roles and responsibilities.   One of those is acting as the Local Universe first responders and emergency services team.  They are the fixers and hot shots and marines, those who rush into burning buildings and are sent to situations that require creative ingenuity and unquestioned loyalty and great experiential wisdom, especially emergencies regarding mortals and mortal ascension.

    Please note below that Michael served 24 emergency missions during his first Bestowal as a Melchizedek.

    :-)

    119:1.3 (1309.4) All the inhabitants of Salvington and those dwelling on the constellation and system headquarters worlds assembled about their respective receiving stations for universe intelligence, hoping to get some word of the mission and whereabouts of the Creator Son. Not until the third day after Michael’s departure was any message of possible significance received. On this day a communication was registered on Salvington from the Melchizedek sphere, the headquarters of that order in Nebadon, which simply recorded this extraordinary and never-before-heard-of transaction: “At noon today there appeared on the receiving field of this world a strange Melchizedek Son, not of our number but wholly like our order. He was accompanied by a solitary omniaphim who bore credentials from Uversa and presented orders addressed to our chief, derived from the Ancients of Days and concurred in by Immanuel of Salvington, directing that this new Melchizedek Son be received into our order and assigned to the emergency service of the Melchizedeks of Nebadon. And it has been so ordered; it has been done.”

    119:1.4 (1310.1) And this is about all that appears on the records of Salvington regarding the first Michael bestowal. Nothing more appears until after one hundred years of Urantia time, when there was recorded the fact of Michael’s return and unannounced resumption of the direction of universe affairs. But a strange record is to be found on the Melchizedek world, a recital of the service of this unique Melchizedek Son of the emergency corps of that age. This record is preserved in a simple temple which now occupies the foreground of the home of the Father Melchizedek, and it comprises the narration of the service of this transitory Melchizedek Son in connection with his assignment to twenty-four missions of universe emergency. And this record, which I have so recently reviewed, ends thus:

    119:1.5 (1310.2) “And at noon on this day, without previous announcement and witnessed by only three of our brotherhood, this visiting Son of our order disappeared from our world as he came, accompanied only by a solitary omniaphim; and this record is now closed with the certification that this visitor lived as a Melchizedek, in the likeness of a Melchizedek he worked as a Melchizedek, and he faithfully performed all of his assignments as an emergency Son of our order. By universal consent he has become chief of Melchizedeks, having earned our love and adoration by his matchless wisdom, supreme love, and superb devotion to duty. He loved us, understood us, and served with us, and forever we are his loyal and devoted fellow Melchizedeks, for this stranger on our world has now eternally become a universe minister of Melchizedek nature.”

    119:1.6 (1310.3) And that is all I am permitted to tell you of the first bestowal of Michael. We, of course, fully understand that this strange Melchizedek who so mysteriously served with the Melchizedeks a billion years ago was none other than the incarnated Michael on the mission of his first bestowal. The records do not specifically state that this unique and efficient Melchizedek was Michael, but it is universally believed that he was. Probably the actual statement of that fact cannot be found outside of the records of Sonarington, and the records of that secret world are not open to us. Only on this sacred world of the divine Sons are the mysteries of incarnation and bestowal fully known. We all know of the facts of the Michael bestowals, but we do not understand how they are effected. We do not know how the ruler of a universe, the creator of the Melchizedeks, can so suddenly and mysteriously become one of their number and, as one of them, live among them and work as a Melchizedek Son for one hundred years. But it so happened.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  2. I repeat, I am NOT a UB code-talker,  Therefore, I am not USING the UB to bear false witness against any other UB reader,

    When “education” MUST be done “remotely” , and ALL UB websites are to be used ONLY by UB code-talkers scrambling to hide their “bad math”:

    More misery for others = More $$$$ for ME ME ME

    what’s the problem with waxing philosophical about the human species to which we all belong…?

    WHO ARE WE?  WHY ARE WE?

    UB has a lot to offer to answer those questions!  And it’s all GOOD, TRUE, and BEAUTIFUL.

    Whatever else may call itself a “Deity”, without those Deity Attributes – truth, beauty, goodness – you got nothing. You’re just a small dark micro chip sized blip in time and space that has ZERO eternal value. And you don’t get to trash a Nursery of Life like Earth.

    The consciousness of TIME is a universal possession of our human mind.  If you don’t read the UB beginning with Paper 1 sequentially to Paper 196, you can come up with a lot of “strange”.  UB code-talkers are hoping for that, but dismissing geologists, biologists, physicists, artists, etc. as the un-chosen has consequences.

    Here’s item #1 – Lucifer Manifesto – Paper 53 – “….Whatever the early origins of trouble in the hearts of Lucifer and Satan, the final outbreak took form as the Lucifer Declaration of Liberty. The cause of the rebels was stated under three heads:

    53:3.2

    1. The reality of the Universal Father. Lucifer charged that the Universal Father did not really exist, that physical gravity and space-energy were inherent in the universe, and that the Father was a myth invented by the Paradise Sons to enable them to maintain the rule of the universes in the Father’s name. He denied that personality was a gift of the Universal Father. He even intimated that the finaliters were in collusion with the Paradise Sons to foist fraud upon all creation since they never brought back a very clear-cut idea of the Father’s actual personality as it is discernible on Paradise. He traded on reverence as ignorance. The charge was sweeping, terrible, and blasphemous. It was this veiled attack upon the finaliters that no doubt influenced the ascendant citizens then on Jerusem to stand firm and remain steadfast in resistance to all the rebel’s proposals….”.

    So that means that Part One of the Urantia Book is also a “revelation” for Lucifer, et al, because it turns out that they did not know who THEY were, so fast forward 200,000 years…Nihilism, Hedonism, Anarchy.

    “dark and confused”

    https://bigbluebook.org/part/1/

     

  3. :-(   And down the rabbit hole we go!

    Apparently this topic, as interesting as it is and might have become, is lost.

    Too bad.

    Now we are told the UB revealed unknown knowledge to Lucifer and Caligastia.  Oh dear.  So false.

    Do I hear the whisper of justification for rebellion here?

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  4. I repeat, I am NOT a UB code-talker, Therefore, I am not USING the UB to bear false witness against any other UB reader, When “education” MUST be done “remotely” , and ALL UB websites are to be used ONLY by UB code-talkers scrambling to hide their “bad math”: More misery for others = More $$$$ for ME ME ME what’s the problem with waxing philosophical about the human species to which we all belong…? WHO ARE WE? WHY ARE WE? UB has a lot to offer to answer those questions! And it’s all GOOD, TRUE, and BEAUTIFUL. Whatever else may call itself a “Deity”, without those Deity Attributes – truth, beauty, goodness – you got nothing. You’re just a small dark micro chip sized blip in time and space that has ZERO eternal value. And you don’t get to trash a Nursery of Life like Earth. The consciousness of TIME is a universal possession of our human mind. If you don’t read the UB beginning with Paper 1 sequentially to Paper 196, you can come up with a lot of “strange”. UB code-talkers are hoping for that, but dismissing geologists, biologists, physicists, artists, etc. as the un-chosen has consequences. Here’s item #1 – Lucifer Manifesto – Paper 53 – “….Whatever the early origins of trouble in the hearts of Lucifer and Satan, the final outbreak took form as the Lucifer Declaration of Liberty. The cause of the rebels was stated under three heads:

    53:3.2

    1. The reality of the Universal Father. Lucifer charged that the Universal Father did not really exist, that physical gravity and space-energy were inherent in the universe, and that the Father was a myth invented by the Paradise Sons to enable them to maintain the rule of the universes in the Father’s name. He denied that personality was a gift of the Universal Father. He even intimated that the finaliters were in collusion with the Paradise Sons to foist fraud upon all creation since they never brought back a very clear-cut idea of the Father’s actual personality as it is discernible on Paradise. He traded on reverence as ignorance. The charge was sweeping, terrible, and blasphemous. It was this veiled attack upon the finaliters that no doubt influenced the ascendant citizens then on Jerusem to stand firm and remain steadfast in resistance to all the rebel’s proposals….”. So that means that Part One of the Urantia Book is also a “revelation” for Lucifer, et al, because it turns out that they did not know who THEY were, so fast forward 200,000 years…Nihilism, Hedonism, Anarchy. “dark and confused”

    Dark and confused…yes.  And strange.  Very Strange.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  5. Nameless wrote:

    “So that means that Part One of the Urantia Book is also a “revelation” for Lucifer, et al, because it turns out that they did not know who THEY were, … “

    Nameless, you hit the nail on the head!  That Lanonandek Sons lack EXPERIENTIAL insight beyond their personal (finite) frame seems to be precisely the problem that requires their elder (Melchizedek) brothers, occasionally, to step in.

    If interested, I try to explore this issue in this document: The Lanonandek Dilemma

    From page 4:

    “While the ascenders for whom Lanonandeks care are rapidly bumped beyond their initial finite frame, the Lanonandeks themselves apparently are bound into their local frame for the duration of the Grand Universe age. It may thus be among the brilliant but timebound Lanonandeks that the Daynals find their most effective, and crucial, opportunity to serve.”

    “In all universes all the Sons of God are beholden to these ever-faithful and universally efficient Trinity Teacher Sons. They are the exalted teachers of all spirit personalities, even the tried and true teachers of the Sons of God themselves.” (20:8.4, 231.4)

    Nigel

  6. From Nigel’s post above:

    Nameless wrote:

    “So that means that Part One of the Urantia Book is also a “revelation” for Lucifer, et al, because it turns out that they did not know who THEY were, … “

    Nigel:  Nameless, you hit the nail on the head!  That Lanonandek Sons lack EXPERIENTIAL insight beyond their personal (finite) frame seems to be precisely the problem that requires their elder (Melchizedek) brothers, occasionally, to step in.

     

    Nigel….are you claiming:

    1.  The UB is a written revelation to other worlds and beings as well as the FER to Urantia?

    2.  Celestials, including Lanondeks, do not know about origins and cosmology and the personalities of the Super and Central Universes?

    Again…what a strange claim and  contradiction of the text.  There are vast libraries and schools and teachers and beings from Paradise and those from the Local Universe who have been to Paradise and back.

    Your claim suggests System Sovereigns and Planetary Princes are unprepared and uneducated and untested for their duties and assignments.  And yet their failure rate is so infinitesimal.

    While it us true that Lanondeks are beings who gain experiential wisdom by learning and doing, where does it say morontia mind lacks insight and inspiration along with mota?  You claim it…but not the text posted.

    Are you saying then the Manifesto was an instrument of ignorance rather than deliberate sin?  That the Deceiver was merely deceived himself?

    What a indictment of all those brilliant and loyal Lanondeks!  What a contradiction to the teachings of the Revelation.

    35:8.2 (392.2) Being a later and lower—as concerns divinity levels—order of sonship creation, these beings were required to pass through certain courses of training on the Melchizedek worlds in preparation for subsequent service. They were the first students in the Melchizedek University and were classified and certified by their Melchizedek teachers and examiners according to ability, personality, and attainment.

    35:8.3 (392.3) The universe of Nebadon began its existence with exactly twelve million Lanonandeks, and when they had passed through the Melchizedek sphere, they were divided in the final tests into three classes:

    35:8.4 (392.4) 1. Primary Lanonandeks. Of the highest rank there were 709,841. These are the Sons designated as System Sovereigns and assistants to the supreme councils of the constellations and as counselors in the higher administrative work of the universe.

    35:8.5 (392.5) 2. Secondary Lanonandeks. Of this order emerging from Melchizedek there were 10,234,601. They are assigned as Planetary Princes and to the reserves of that order.

    35:8.6 (392.6) 3. Tertiary Lanonandeks. This group contained 1,055,558. These Sons function as subordinate assistants, messengers, custodians, commissioners, observers, and prosecute the miscellaneous duties of a system and its component worlds.

    What do you mean Nameless “nailed it”????

    Nailed what….exactly?  It is completely false to claim Lucifer – or any celestial anywhere – gained ANY knowledge from the UB by its writing or publication.  Preposterous really.

    If that’s the claim?

    There are those who excuse Lucifer’s folly and iniquity.  Some have claimed his acts were the will of God.  You offer ignorance and lack of insight as an excuse?

    I look forward to clarification.  Chasing Nameless down the rabbit hole still obscures and distracts from Big Macs ministries I think….

    :-(

    However, a read of Paper 35 will help connect the very real Local Universe  education of Lanonendeks and other celestials and the training received to prepare all beings for service – especially Sovereigns and Princes – by the Melchizedeks!

    ;-)

     

    All this demonstrates the very obvious need for study and discovery groups with sincere students hoping to learn what the UB teaches.  Also illustrates the dangers of pandering to misrepresentations of the text in a classroom.  Worse than silent acquiescence is agreement with falsehoods.   IMO.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  7.  If interested, I try to explore this issue in this document: The Lanonandek Dilemma

    Thanks very much for that insightful document, Nigel. Am about half way thru a novel on pre- and post-rebellion Urantia/Jerusem. You brought out several fine points and worthy facts, two of which demand consideration to understand a rebellion’s genesis, and it’s otherwise inscrutable appeal to the lower orders of administrators:

    1. The Lanonadeks, like mortals, require faith. But their ‘cosmic frame of reference’ is limited, circumscribed, they cannot have the Adjuster provided cosmic frame that we enjoy.

    2. They don’t advance beyond the System level. Once rated by their elder brothers, the Melchizedeks, they are forever (or until all time and space is settled in Light and Life) first, second, or third in rank.

    And a possible third, their inherent ‘brilliance’ combined with their innate unascending situation, and a spoonful of pride, can precipitate just such unreasonable atheism, just such reckless reasoning as to deny the maker of all things and beings, as infected Lucifer’s mind. Even so, it’s noteworthy that only 700 of Nebadon’s allotted 12,000,000 Lanonandek’s have ever strayed, and that only three of that number were (primary) System Sovereigns.

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    Richard E Warren

  8. Bradly wrote:

    “I look forward to clarification.“

    Bradly, sorry for the confusion. For clarification, see this document.

    The point (which I should have made more clear) is that, while Michael and his Divine Mins fully explain “The Phenomenon of Man” to the youngest and lowest of their (descending) “Local Universe Sons of God”, these Lanonandeks have to take ON FAITH the transcendental nature and purpose of Adjusters personalized by Michael’s variation on his Father’s “human technique”. And here we find Lucifer’s problem: he did not BELIEVE what his (Melchizedek) teachers, and his local universe Father (Michael) had taught him.

    Having thus lost faith in his original mission (helping his father Michael with Michael’s Father’s business of personalizing Adjusters), Lucifer’s increasingly deranged mind had to invent some self-satisfying purpose for (what he thought was) his naturally unending life. And as we know, he fell under the spell of the delusion his bright mind wove. The point about the Daynals (Trinity Teacher Sons) is that they have the knack for helping such time-bound Lanonandeks appreciate what Michael and his Father are REALLY doing in space and time:

    “The Paradise Spiritual Sons are unique Trinity-origin beings and the only Trinity creatures to be so completely associated with the conduct of the dual-origin universes. They are affectionately devoted to the educational ministry to mortal creatures and the lower orders of spiritual beings. They begin their labors in the local systems and, in accordance with experience and achievement, are advanced inward through the constellation service to the highest work of the local creation. Upon certification they may become spiritual ambassadors representing the local universes of their service.” (231.1, 20:8.1)

    So, just to clarify, I did not mean to suggest the Urantia Book was written for the benefit of any of the descending orders of Local universe Sons; what I MEANT to IMPLY was that the ontology and cosmology sketched in Part 1 of the Urantia Book is something that Lanonandeks, like humans, must necessarily take ON FAITH. This I believe was a point of interest touched upon by our Nameless friend in that — yes — strange and disjoint post.

    Again, sorry for the confusion!
    Nigel

  9. Thank you Nigel.  I too have really enjoyed and benefitted by your posted work on the Lanonandeks.  Page 3 is especially related to the claims and discussion here.

    Isn’t the same faith and belief requirement true of all celestials who originate in and are confined to the Local Universe who are not “humanized”…or those without the God Fragment?  And certainly even those of us so endowed require faith and belief.

    So what is it that excuses sin and iniquity and the rejection of truth and reality?  In the Lanonandeks or anyone else?  The failure to spiritualize truth, beauty, and goodness and the disloyalty toward others for such SELF assertion seems, to me anyway, to be very personal and individually specific and peculiar.

    A failure of will and choice and motive and intention and priority at a personal, individual level that reveals insanity resulting from the embrace and repercussions of False Liberty and Self Importance combined with Disappointment and Blame and Impatience.  Not a function of type or level of Sonship I don’t think but the result of stinking thinking plus time and the rot within that can grow if allowed to.  Bitter fruit indeed.

    Thanks again Nigel! :good:

    0:3.25 (6.5) Much of the confusion of all orders of beings, high and low, in their efforts to discover the Father-Infinite, is inherent in their limitations of comprehension. The absolute primacy of the Universal Father is not apparent on subinfinite levels; therefore is it probable that only the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit truly know the Father as an infinity; to all other personalities such a concept represents the exercise of faith.

    1:3.3 (25.3) The Universal Father is not invisible because he is hiding himself away from the lowly creatures of materialistic handicaps and limited spiritual endowments. The situation rather is: “You cannot see my face, for no mortal can see me and live.” No material man could behold the spirit God and preserve his mortal existence. The glory and the spiritual brilliance of the divine personality presence is impossible of approach by the lower groups of spirit beings or by any order of material personalities. The spiritual luminosity of the Father’s personal presence is a “light which no mortal man can approach; which no material creature has seen or can see.” But it is not necessary to see God with the eyes of the flesh in order to discern him by the faith-vision of the spiritualized mind.

    1:5.5 (28.2) In the local creations (excepting the personnel of the superuniverses) God has no personal or residential manifestation aside from the Paradise Creator Sons who are the fathers of the inhabited worlds and the sovereigns of the local universes. If the faith of the creature were perfect, he would assuredly know that when he had seen a Creator Son he had seen the Universal Father; in seeking for the Father, he would not ask nor expect to see other than the Son. Mortal man simply cannot see God until he achieves completed spirit transformation and actually attains Paradise.

    1:7.5 (31.5) Ultimate universe reality cannot be grasped by mathematics, logic, or philosophy, only by personal experience in progressive conformity to the divine will of a personal God. Neither science, philosophy, nor theology can validate the personality of God. Only the personal experience of the faith sons of the heavenly Father can effect the actual spiritual realization of the personality of God.

    :-)

    So….what was it, again, that Nameless “nailed”??  His claim is that Part 1 of the UB was ‘news’ to Lucifer and Caligastia.  That they were ignorant and uneducated and unaware of universe cosmology and reality!

    False.  Not nailed.  A direct contradiction of the UB.  Another, of so many, contradictions to the UB so far.  So many false claims (and no questions), that makes one wonder about motive and agenda and sincerity.  Learning does not appear to be on this agenda of this reader.

    You Nigel are a most sincere and astute seeker and I appreciate the opportunity to learn alongside such a generous believer of truth who shares such a reasoned passion with such perceptive faith….and kindness and patience toward others….certainly toward me.

    As I grow older and lose my wit I can be a little grumpy and should probably learn to listen more and speak less perhaps!  Hahaha…yes indeed!

    ;-)

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  10. .

    …So what is it that excuses sin and iniquity and the rejection of truth and reality? In the Lanonandeks or anyone else?

     

    Can’t recall it being suggested there are excuses, but there are reasons worthy of inspection and contemplation. Circumscribed viewpoint, impatience, and pride for three. Would it be an error to say, those three are always at the bottom of rebellion, when stripped of their sophistry and dazzle?

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    Richard E Warren

  11. I think so Rick.  A “circumscribed view” is a limited and subjective perspective lacking information (ignorance), combined with the prejudice of pride and self importance, and the impatience of immaturity.

    We are taught that ignorance and prejudice are the greatest obstacles to our growth.   Evidently celestials from the Lanonandeks to the Midwayers are susceptible to such developmental failures.  Perhaps only pride however might actually stop and prevent further progress?

    Nonetheless it appears such sin and iniquity is very rare for our celestial cousins no matter their particular type or strata of being.  Indeed most who fall appear to be following a very rare disunity of confused loyalties the wrong direction.  An interesting moment of erroneous truth discernment for those who follow their respective leaders into darkness and chaos.

    So much greater the sin and destruction of those Planetary and System rulers whose pride and prejudice and blind perspective lead others astray.  I am reminded of the Master’s warning about the millstone and faith.

    Impatience seems to be the root of much evil.  Will it still be a problem for us ascenders after so many millions of years?  Impatience requires or results in dissatisfaction and disappointment and some blame for what appear to be failures to the circumscribed view I think.

    At its core, I believe this is evidence of a lack of faith or failure of faith and lack of trust and confidence in God’s power, purpose, and plan.  Or, in the case of local universe celestials, a betrayal of the Creator Son.  This is a very personal failure of choice and really has no excuse related to type of being….except mortals at the material level of our pre-fusion days.

    Mortals experience the dual nature and existence of the material and spirit realities and must choose to escape the one to fully embrace the other … the transfer of the seat of our identity.  Do celestials too have such a challenge I wonder?  Do they wrestle with doubts and confusions and disappointment and failure and frustration?

    Yes…I think they do.  Experiential wisdom is a very similar journey for all who acquire it I believe.  And self importance is always a risk evidently.

    ;-)

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  12. .

    …Do celestials too have such a challenge I wonder? Do they wrestle with doubts and confusions and disappointment and failure and frustration? Yes…I think they do. Experiential wisdom is a very similar journey for all who acquire it I believe. And self importance is always a risk evidently. ;-)

    Yeah, apparently so, Bradly. One might think all doubt and confusion would be exhausted during their training time in the Melchizedek university, but then we are given a bit of insight here, where it required a ‘prolonged’ period for Caligastia to convince Daligastia to join the rebellion:

    67:2.1 (755.3) Shortly after Satan’s inspection and when the planetary administration was on the eve of the realization of great things on Urantia, one day, midwinter of the northern continents, Caligastia held a prolonged conference with his associate, Daligastia, after which the latter called the ten councils of Urantia in session extraordinary.

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    Richard E Warren

  13. 53:3.2

    1. The reality of the Universal Father. Lucifer charged that the Universal Father did not really exist, that physical gravity and space-energy were inherent in the universe, and that the Father was a myth invented by the Paradise Sons to enable them to maintain the rule of the universes in the Father’s name. He denied that personality was a gift of the Universal Father. He even intimated that the finaliters were in collusion with the Paradise Sons to foist fraud upon all creation since they never brought back a very clear-cut idea of the Father’s actual personality as it is discernible on Paradise. He traded on reverence as ignorance. The charge was sweeping, terrible, and blasphemous. It was this veiled attack upon the finaliters that no doubt influenced the ascendant citizens then on Jerusem to stand firm and remain steadfast in resistance to all the rebel’s proposals….”.

     

    Hi Nigel!

    No one knows everything ;-)

    All of Nebadon bears witness to the Seventh Bestowal of Michael of Nebadon, it notes in the UB that Jesus lived the life as a “Son of Man” on Urantia for EVERYONE in Nebadon, so why would ANY subsequent “revelation” to be any different?!

    “….Lucifer charged that the Universal Father did not really exist, that physical gravity and space-energy were inherent in the universe, and that the Father was a myth invented by the Paradise Sons to enable them to maintain the rule of the universes in the Father’s name…..”

    I have NEVER seen this “Paper 12 – PERSONAL REALITIES” come up as a forum topic to “unpack”. That seems VERY STRANGE to me:

    The Universe of Universes

    9. Personal Realities

    12:9.1

    Spirit is the basic personal reality in the universes, and personality is basic to all progressing experience with spiritual reality. Every phase of personality experience on every successive level of universe progression swarms with clues to the discovery of alluring personal realities. Man’s true destiny consists in the creation of new and spirit goals and then in responding to the cosmic allurements of such supernal goals of nonmaterial value.

    12:9.2

    Love is the secret of beneficial association between personalities. You cannot really know a person as the result of a single contact. You cannot appreciatingly know music through mathematical deduction, even though music is a form of mathematical rhythm. The number assigned to a telephone subscriber does not in any manner identify the personality of that subscriber or signify anything concerning his character.

    12:9.3

    Mathematics, material science, is indispensable to the intelligent discussion of the material aspects of the universe, but such knowledge is not necessarily a part of the higher realization of truth or of the personal appreciation of spiritual realities. Not only in the realms of life but even in the world of physical energy, the sum of two or more things is very often something more than, or something different from, the predictable additive consequences of such unions. The entire science of mathematics, the whole domain of philosophy, the highest physics or chemistry, could not predict or know that the union of two gaseous hydrogen atoms with one gaseous oxygen atom would result in a new and qualitatively superadditive substance—liquid water. The understanding knowledge of this one physiochemical phenomenon should have prevented the development of materialistic philosophy and mechanistic cosmology.

    12:9.4

    Technical analysis does not reveal what a person or a thing can do. For example: Water is used effectively to extinguish fire. That water will put out fire is a fact of everyday experience, but no analysis of water could ever be made to disclose such a property. Analysis determines that water is composed of hydrogen and oxygen; a further study of these elements discloses that oxygen is the real supporter of combustion and that hydrogen will itself freely burn.

    12:9.5

    Your religion is becoming real because it is emerging from the slavery of fear and the bondage of superstition. Your philosophy struggles for emancipation from dogma and tradition. Your science is engaged in the agelong contest between truth and error while it fights for deliverance from the bondage of abstraction, the slavery of mathematics, and the relative blindness of mechanistic materialism.

    12:9.6

    Mortal man has a spirit nucleus. The mind is a personal-energy system existing around a divine spirit nucleus and functioning in a material environment. Such a living relationship of personal mind and spirit constitutes the universe potential of eternal personality. Real trouble, lasting disappointment, serious defeat, or inescapable death can come only after self-concepts presume fully to displace the governing power of the central spirit nucleus, thereby disrupting the cosmic scheme of personality identity.

    12:9.7

    [Presented by a Perfector of Wisdom acting by authority of the Ancients of Days.]

     

     

     

  14. Nameless wrote:

    All of Nebadon bears witness to the Seventh Bestowal of Michael of Nebadon, it notes in the UB that Jesus lived the life as a “Son of Man” on Urantia for EVERYONE in Nebadon, so why would ANY subsequent “revelation” to be any different?!

    Perhaps Paper 92 would be helpful for understanding the Revelatory Director’s approval to include Section 4. Note paragraph 9 and the words “partial, transient, and practically adapted.” And local too. Each planetary revelation is adapted to unique needs and the Managers’ ultimate universal plans for  settling in Light and Life, which seems to directly address your question of why revelation would be different. Michael revealed for his entire universe, but we should not assume each planet received his teachings simultaneously or in the same amounts. And if we could be somewhat remotely accurate in our guesses, who of us could say about how of anything should be revealed on other planets, considering their needs? To ask why would “ANY subsequent revelation to be any different” seems like a basic assumption of universe-wide continuity and uniformity, when it seems reasonable all are different. Note for example, the many types of humans adapted for varying planetary materials differences. With all the variances who can say all spiritual needs are uniform?

    We’d all do best to trust Michael and Mother to know what we practically need here on Urantia.

    We are able to trust the Trinity Teacher Sons for knowing what we need in the future. They will likely have much to say about Michael and Mother’s plans; we may assume our Parents will inform them of what they desire for us to know, plus they will have a Paradise perspective previously approved for all worlds.

    I get the “feeling” we know nothing yet!

  15. Great points Mark!

    Each material world receives the Spirit of Truth individually based on a specifically timed planetary bestowal mission on each such material world.  Every world is at a very different stage of its Mortal Epochs progression.  While “all of Nebadon” benefitted by the final bestowal of Michael, only the celestials might actually know of that ministry on Urantia, not the mortal populations on material worlds unless well advanced in their own epochs and not in quarantine.

    The transformative result of the final bestowal was the power of the Master from Creator Son to Master Son, so indeed did all of Nebadon benefit therefrom and thereby.  Jesus lived as a twofold person – both as the Son of Man but also as the Son of God!  Paper 119 teaches much about Michael’s bestowal missions.

    Every world enjoys its own very specific, and in many ways very unique, epochal revelations.  None of those are universal…according to the UB.  Each comes in a sequence and in a timing or spacing that depends entirely on that world’s progression through the Mortal Epochs.  This is most especially true on every world suffering from quarantine, rebellion on any level of System or Planetary, and any defaults by any ministry such as the Material Son and Daughter.

    This is also true of individual persons…we receive responsive and very personalized ministry!  As does each material world.  It is false and ridiculous to claim that Lucifer or Satan of Caligastia or ANY Nebadon celestial benefitted by the Urantia Book.  Just is not true.  Part I of the UB is a very basic primer on cosmology that any celestial already knows all about!  To claim otherwise is to ignore, defy, and contradict the UB itself.  This is not mysterious or iffy or problematic or left unaddressed.  It is addressed directly and plenty.

    The normal order of Epochal Revelations for material worlds is clearly presented.  Urantia received the first 2 in the same fashion and form as all other worlds….the Prince’s Staff and HQ and the Material Son and Daughter (although they came to a rebellion torn world).  Since then, our Epochal Revelations have been out of sequence and in a very unique form and fashion…although the Spirit of Truth is also a normal form of Epochal Revelatory ministry.

    Let us not attempt to excuse Lucifer by any claim that he was ignorant of anything which might have caused his betrayal, disloyalty, folly, and insanity!

    ;-)

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  16. Hi Mark,

    Please remember that I am NOT a UB code-talker. I do use the UB.

    So to your “perhaps”, here’s a “perhaps” – Paper 120.

    It was Michael of Nebadon’s Seventh and Final Bestowal.

    EVERYONE in Nebadon has access to the history of all of Michael’s Bestowals.

    https://bigbluebook.org/120/3/

    last paragraph – “…Then, immediately, in the presence of all Salvington assembled, Michael removed himself from our midst, and we saw him no more in his accustomed place until his return as the supreme and personal ruler of the universe, subsequent to the completion of his bestowal career on Urantia….”

     

    So in the case of Michael’s Seventh Bestowal, it was both a Nebadon event and a local revelation.

    Here’s what makes philosophical questions like “Who/Why Are We?” a NORMAL question.  STRANGE – how “controversial” has “normal” become?!

    Once we ALL know that it took billions of years of “cosmic” energies down-stepping until we have rocks :-) and then an equally cosmic timeframe of rocks deconstructing into a chemistry that “LIFE” can be planted onto, “WHY?” never popped into YOUR mind?!  Moving right along to a “post-human” era?  On a planet that is a NURSERY for LIFE FORMS that took billions of years to evolve….?!

    Where is THAT in the UB…?

     

     

  17. Hi Rick!

    You wrote, “Can’t recall it being suggested there are excuses, but there are reasons worthy of inspection and contemplation. Circumscribed viewpoint, impatience, and pride for three. Would it be an error to say, those three are always at the bottom of rebellion, when stripped of their sophistry and dazzle?”

    Here’s what the author of Paper 53 shared about Lucifer…..

    Paper 53

    The Lucifer Rebellion

    LUCIFER was a brilliant primary Lanonandek Son of Nebadon. He had experienced service in many systems, had been a high counselor of his group, and was distinguished for wisdom, sagacity, and efficiency. Lucifer was number 37 of his order, and when commissioned by the Melchizedeks, he was designated as one of the one hundred most able and brilliant personalities in more than seven hundred thousand of his kind. From such a magnificent beginning, through evil and error, he embraced sin and now is numbered as one of three System Sovereigns in Nebadon who have succumbed to the urge of self and surrendered to the sophistry of spurious personal liberty—rejection of universe allegiance and disregard of fraternal obligations, blindness to cosmic relationships.

    53:0.2

    In the universe of Nebadon, the domain of Christ Michael, there are ten thousand systems of inhabited worlds. In all the history of Lanonandek Sons, in all their work throughout these thousands of systems and at the universe headquarters, only three System Sovereigns have ever been found in contempt of the government of the Creator Son.”

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    More misery for others = More $$$$ for ME ME ME

    hardly genius “math” – but very “efficient” with “modern technology”…..talk about “impatient”, huh?  NANOSECONDS….

  18. TO WHOM THIS MAY CONCERN

    Please refrain from attacking one another on this forum. If you disagree with the views of another, then by all means say so but do it with respect and goodwill. This forum is not a place for airing your personal views about worldly politics or ideologies. As much as possible, let The Urantia Book speak for itself and recognize that anything said in addition is simply your personal opinion or interpretation.

    May I leave you with these pertinent quotes from the book:

    The great man is not he who “takes a city” or “overthrows a nation,” but rather “he who subdues his own tongue.” P.317:1

    The argumentative defense of any proposition is inversely proportional to the truth contained. P.557:14

    If some one irritates you, causes feelings of resentment, you should sympathetically seek to discern his viewpoint, his reasons for such objectionable conduct. If once you understand your neighbor, you will become tolerant, and this tolerance will grow into friendship and ripen into love. P.1098:1

    All too often, when we battle for the right, it turns out that both the victor and the vanquished have sustained defeat. I heard the Master say only yesterday that the “wise man, when seeking entrance through the locked door, would not destroy the door but rather would seek for the key wherewith to unlock it.” Too often we engage in a fight merely to convince ourselves that we are not afraid. P.1778:1,2

    Always we may have diversity of intellectual comprehension and interpretation, even varying degrees of socialization, but lack of spiritual brotherhood is both inexcusable and reprehensible. P.1866:3

    In closing, may I remind you of this statement in the Forum rules:

    Participants are subject to a 3-strike policy regarding misconduct. First, a private warning; second a 30-day ban from the forum; third infraction within a year may result in loss of participation.

    Thank you for your cooperation.

    Moderator 2

  19. From above:  “If you disagree with the views of another, then by all means say so but do it with respect and goodwill. This forum is not a place for airing your personal views about worldly politics or ideologies.”

    3 strikes, eh?  But each of 30 posts here by Nameless impose personal and paranoid political rants, personal insults to any and all who disagree with those proclamations of political opinions, and inflict endless code-talking contradictions to the UB onto the community here which have only distracted from and derailed the actual topic under discussion….no matter how many here try so frequently to get us back to the actual subject.

    The whole topic has effectively been hijacked…and not the first or only one either.

    Perhaps Nameless might start their own topic of interest that conforms to the Forum’s Guidelines regarding “personal views of worldly politics or ideologies”?

    Best wishes in your efforts to moderate the discourse and guide us back to the actual topic.  You are to be commended for your patience and persistent efforts.  Thank you.

    Respectfully and in good will…

    ;-)

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  20. The Moderator was talking to you, Bradley, and Mark.  Atheism is not a technical spiritual disagreement among family and all evidence of Who/Why/What since 1934 is already with the Most Highs.

    Since I never heard about the Melchizedek species of celestial beings until I read the UB, I seem to have a lot less prejudice or any other kind of personal baggage about who/why they are and there is nothing I have seen so far

    – if you use this thread as a very limited example of a handful of people who have previously heard or read stories about the single Melchizedek who is lucky enough to continue to be assigned to our Earth – Urantia –  for crisis management –

    that there is a more replete history of Melchizedeks among earth records than what I read in The Urantia Book about them.

    How many destructions of experientially earned human Libraries, SPURIOUS re-writes of what knowledge was in those Libraries, and always followed by POLITICAL censorship and anarchy have gone on in the past 1000 years since Mel was here last…?

    Yikes! A lot and ongoing!

    It’s going to get a loss less “convenient” for all manner of globalist agendas….a proportionate response to “weaponization” of communications making them less convenient is JUST WAR application.

    “…it’s only a thing that can be replaced…”

    “Global” would be a Melchizedek responsibility, it seems, since there have never been 8 billion human beings testing the Nursery Operations. Speculation at nanoseconds among Mel fans as to what human global institutions in place right now will Mel choose to operate from, and if the United Nations wants to “be chosen”, they might want to get up off their knees since Mel will never choose the leftover luciferian loyalists with their 4 eyes cell phones…..it gets so vicious – even the Fandors got wiped out – but that’s what always happens when liars, thieves and murderers get their paychecks from atheists…I know of what I speak.

     

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-24/un-issues-warning-to-us-authorities-over-black-lives-matter/12491624

     

    https://www.un.org/ruleoflaw/thematic-areas/transnational-threats/transnational-organized-crime/

     

    Mel would definitely be more into working with the humble roll up your sleeves clean up the plastic crew like this enterprise:

    https://www.rt.com/news/495440-plastic-battery-powering-submarine/

     

     

     

     

     

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