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The Melchizedek Visit – 1000 AD

107 posts · 10 participants · started Aug 3, 2020, 9:41 AM

  1. That’s right Nigel…nothing at all unusual in the fact that the uninhabited and unformed “outer” space levels have no persons or personalized beings yet within that domain of future evolutionary development and adventure.

    This fact and reality have no bearing on the Paradise or Super Universe creations or any of the Gravity Curcuits or Cosmic Mind or Adjutant mind circuits….or the topic under discussion for that matter.

    Keyword search for “outer space levels”:

    https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book/search?keys=Outer+space&op=Search

    Nor is there any local disruptions or disconnections of any spirit or mind circuits, especially related to Urantia technologies or epochal progress….which has nothing to do with the topic or outer levels either.

    Perplexing really…

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  2. A “wholly nonspiritual” Mind Gravity circuit (artificial intelligence) is not an “evolutionary” process anywhere in the “grand universe” of the Eternal Son once LIFE is initiated on a planet like Earth where Spirit Gravity then is the “evolution” to Light and Life. That’s the answer to my first philosophical question of “Who are we?” and the “WHY are we?” in the Fifth Epochal Revelation In Part I of the Urantia Book.

    (and)

    Seems like the contortionism of NOT establishing a “church” or “religion” in order to avoid the classic criticism that “religion is the opiate of the people” was replaced by “working to grow the Supreme”, instead and now that has not worked out because “artificial intelligence”  is NOT responding to the 7 adjutant mind circuits and might even be responsible for increasing the dominance of the “retrograde bacteria” in crowded human colonies…the 4 Horseman of the Apocalypse leading to Dead End Times for the human species could very well be Amazon, Apple, Facebook and Google….

    Bradly here:  These words are difficult for me to comprehend or to relate to anything written within the UB or the text posted or the topic at hand.  There are minds within the mind circuit that are not personalized or spiritualized but the Mind circuit itself is connected to its source-spirit – the Third Source and Center.  The 7 Adjutants are certainly connected to Spirit and all are fully functional in human mind everywhere human mind has been achieved on all such evolutionary worlds as our own.  This is the very definition of a material evolutionary world being considered “inhabited”.

    And certainly the Supreme is working out just fine!  And all intelligence connected to Cosmic Mind or Adjutant Mind remain so.  And none of this has a single iota to do with any form of bacteria of any kind anywhere at all.  And just for the sake of “why not?” let’s throw in some Armageddonisms and end of world doom and gloom!  There is no such thing as “artificial intelligence” presented in the Papers and the term is a misnomer misused to describe a very limited and human invention that is not, never has been, and never can be connected to the Mind Circuit as described in the UB.  Such AI as a human invention does not interfere with or influence or affect the Mind Gravity Circuit or any minds connected to that circuit either.

    No soul or spirit or being can be disconnected from the Mind Gravity circuit due to human technologies or inventions or material science or the weather or cosmic rays or sunshine or by being on the dark side of the moon for that matter.

    9:6.2 (103.7) Much as the Father draws all personality to himself, and as the Son attracts all spiritual reality, so does the Conjoint Actor exercise a drawing power on all minds; he unqualifiedly dominates and controls the universal mind circuit. All true and genuine intellectual values, all divine thoughts and perfect ideas, are unerringly drawn into this absolute circuit of mind.

    9:6.3 (104.1) Mind gravity can operate independently of material and spiritual gravity, but wherever and whenever the latter two impinge, mind gravity always functions. When all three are associated, personality gravity may embrace the material creature—physical or morontial, finite or absonite. But irrespective of this, the endowment of mind even in impersonal beings qualifies them to think and endows them with consciousness despite the total absence of personality.

    9:6.4 (104.2) Selfhood of personality dignity, human or divine, immortal or potentially immortal, does not however originate in either spirit, mind, or matter; it is the bestowal of the Universal Father. Neither is the interaction of spirit, mind, and material gravity a prerequisite to the appearance of personality gravity. The Father’s circuit may embrace a mind-material being who is unresponsive to spirit gravity, or it may include a mind-spirit being who is unresponsive to material gravity. The operation of personality gravity is always a volitional act of the Universal Father.

    9:6.5 (104.3) While mind is energy associated in purely material beings and spirit associated in purely spiritual personalities, innumerable orders of personality, including the human, possess minds that are associated with both energy and spirit. The spiritual aspects of creature mind unfailingly respond to the spirit-gravity pull of the Eternal Son; the material features respond to the gravity urge of the material universe.

    9:6.6 (104.4) Cosmic mind, when not associated with either energy or spirit, is subject to the gravity demands of neither material nor spiritual circuits. Pure mind is subject only to the universal gravity grasp of the Conjoint Actor. Pure mind is close of kin to infinite mind, and infinite mind (the theoretical co-ordinate of the absolutes of spirit and energy) is apparently a law in itself.

    9:6.7 (104.5) The greater the spirit-energy divergence, the greater the observable function of mind; the lesser the diversity of energy and spirit, the lesser the observable function of mind. Apparently, the maximum function of the cosmic mind is in the time universes of space. Here mind seems to function in a mid-zone between energy and spirit, but this is not true of the higher levels of mind; on Paradise, energy and spirit are essentially one.

    9:6.8 (104.6) The mind-gravity circuit is dependable; it emanates from the Third Person of Deity on Paradise, but not all the observable function of mind is predictable. Throughout all known creation there parallels this circuit of mind some little-understood presence whose function is not predictable. We believe that this unpredictability is partly attributable to the function of the Universal Absolute. What this function is, we do not know; what actuates it, we can only conjecture; concerning its relation to creatures, we can only speculate.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  3. Hi Nigel!

    Thanks for staying “philosophical” – it’s not easy, is it?  :-)

    You wrote, “…So, since personality has absolutely ZERO response to the 3 non-personal gravity circuits, the Universal Father was unable to DELEGATE its care. Thus the Father himself serves as Source & Center for Personality.

    You asked “What is its value?”

    Again, as I understand it, Personality is absolutely central to the eternal intentions of the I AM. All eternal spirit-values and mind-meanings can acquire absoluteness of value and meaning ONLY when placed in context with the Personness of I AM…

    which is a far as I’ve got in my speculations.  What about you? Any thoughts on this?”

    I do not agree with “Personality has absolutely ZERO response to the 3 non-personal gravity circuits”.  Personality created a “presence” when it created the Gravity circuits of Spirit, Mind, and Matter.

    Are you trying to say that Personality DIRECTS the evolution of life by utilizing the Gravity Circuits that are measurable (quality and quantity) and therefore the Personality Gravity circuit is free from being changed by the quality and quantity fluctuations of imperfection being perfected in the time space universe…?

    So is Personality BOTH? It IS value and it also HAS value?  So there is a “value” that is not measurable (quality/quantity) which is also a Gravity Presence…!

    My journey into a “philosophy for living started with these two question – Who are we?  Why are we?

    I keep forgetting to ask – and discussions get squirrely fast if we aren’t clear – so time for everyone to share what their burning philosophical questions were that got them thinking about their first rodeo…

    Why do we have a Mind Gravity Circuit that IS composed of intuition, understanding, courage, knowledge, counsel, worship, and wisdom?  Material Gravity is understood by Mind Gravity, not the other way around…that’s how I understand it….

    (53.3) 3:6.5 It is a great blunder to humanize God, except in the concept of the indwelling Thought Adjuster, but even that is not so stupid as completely to mechanize the idea of the First Great Source and Center.

    See, we’re not THAT “stupid” after all ;-)

  4. Nigel – I would agree that personality has “ZERO response” to the other gravity circuits (material, mind, and spirit), however what being endowed with personality is not also minded and spiritized I wonder?  The personality binds and unifies and integrates the self so that the entire being is responsive to the 3 circuits of mind, spirit, and personality – while many are less or unresponsive to material gravity, being non-material themselves.

    Still wondering when we might return to Rick’s post and topic….?

    1:5.12 (29.2) In the contemplation of Deity, the concept of personality must be divested of the idea of corporeality. A material body is not indispensable to personality in either man or God. The corporeality error is shown in both extremes of human philosophy. In materialism, since man loses his body at death, he ceases to exist as a personality; in pantheism, since God has no body, he is not, therefore, a person. The superhuman type of progressing personality functions in a union of mind and spirit.

    1:5.13 (29.3) Personality is not simply an attribute of God; it rather stands for the totality of the co-ordinated infinite nature and the unified divine will which is exhibited in eternity and universality of perfect expression. Personality, in the supreme sense, is the revelation of God to the universe of universes.

    5.6.3 (70.4) Personality is potential in all creatures who possess a mind endowment ranging from the minimum of self-consciousness to the maximum of God-consciousness. But mind endowment alone is not personality, neither is spirit nor physical energy. Personality is that quality and value in cosmic reality which is exclusively bestowed by God the Father upon these living systems of the associated and co-ordinated energies of matter, mind, and spirit. Neither is personality a progressive achievement. Personality may be material or spiritual, but there either is personality or there is no personality. The other-than-personal never attains the level of the personal except by the direct act of the Paradise Father.

    5:6.4 (70.5) The bestowal of personality is the exclusive function of the Universal Father, the personalization of the living energy systems which he endows with the attributes of relative creative consciousness and the freewill control thereof. There is no personality apart from God the Father, and no personality exists except for God the Father. The fundamental attributes of human selfhood, as well as the absolute Adjuster nucleus of the human personality, are the bestowals of the Universal Father, acting in his exclusively personal domain of cosmic ministry.

    Me here: Remember that with personality comes freewill and that results in experiential potential and uncertainty, even unpredictable spontaneity of expression.

    5:6.8 (71.3) Having thus provided for the growth of the immortal soul and having liberated man’s inner self from the fetters of absolute dependence on antecedent causation, the Father stands aside. Now, man having thus been liberated from the fetters of causation response, at least as pertains to eternal destiny, and provision having been made for the growth of the immortal self, the soul, it remains for man himself to will the creation or to inhibit the creation of this surviving and eternal self which is his for the choosing. No other being, force, creator, or agency in all the wide universe of universes can interfere to any degree with the absolute sovereignty of the mortal free will, as it operates within the realms of choice, regarding the eternal destiny of the personality of the choosing mortal. As pertains to eternal survival, God has decreed the sovereignty of the material and mortal will, and that decree is absolute.

    5:6.9 (71.4) The bestowal of creature personality confers relative liberation from slavish response to antecedent causation, and the personalities of all such moral beings, evolutionary or otherwise, are centered in the personality of the Universal Father. They are ever drawn towards his Paradise presence by that kinship of being which constitutes the vast and universal family circle and fraternal circuit of the eternal God. There is a kinship of divine spontaneity in all personality.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  5. As this is a study group of the UB, it is important that the posts and discussions here reflect the teachings of the Papers as clearly as we might muster!  Opinions are welcome and disagreement with the UB is too.  But not the misrepresentation of the UB’s contents and teachings.  To that end….

    A few questions and observations for Nameless.

    Nameless posts: “It IS possible to create so much suffering and misery with electrons (mind circuit deconstruction and disruption of the 7 adjutant spirits) that infants will NEVER have the potential to grow a soul and receive a Thought Adjuster (well, electrons and rape) and people committing suicide in droves rather than let one more piece of their soul potential be choked off…and on and on…”

    Bradly here: It is NOT possible to create enough suffering and misery – by any method or means or source whatsoever – to prevent infants from their natural and inherent connection to the Divine Spirit within or to prevent the endowment/gift of the God Fragment and no technology or electrons by any source can deconstruct or disrupt the 7 adjutant mind spirits.

    These are blatantly false claims without even the attempt to support with UB text. Please stop proclaiming such falsehoods as if you are representing the Papers or any valid understanding or appreciation of the UB. These are each and all direct contradictions!
    And who has ever committed suicide to prevent the loss of their soul’s potential?? Good Grief!! What a claim.

    Nameless posts: “Fortunately, The Most Highs, especially a Melchizedek, have no problem with any bona-fide imperfect personality, Child of God Urantian human, like myself, requesting a personnel change in the Mind Circuit department.”

    Bradly here: What has the Most Highs to do with the mind circuit? What “personnel” do you think are in the mind circuit “department”? Do you mean a personal change or a change of personnel as posted?  According to the UB the Most Highs have nothing to do with the origin of or function of the Mind Circuit and do not manage any related “personnel” issues. Text please?

    Nameless posts: “Obviously, Caligastia’s current singular focus on a dystopian future of seizing complete control of the Mind Gravity circuit ala “artificial intelligence” gizmos at the expense of LIFE that IS spirit gravity responsive is enough prima facie evidence for this UB reader…”

    Bradly here: How might any Lanondek or Planetary Prince (or System Sovereign) seize “complete control of the Mind Gravity circuit”? Please provide any UB text related to such a claim and worry, for the UB does not teach any such thing. The Prince cannot even invade a single mind of any being, including the human mind, let alone seize the entire circuit of Mind.

    Also….do you believe that human technology or “gizmos” somehow threaten human or celestial life? And how would the Prince seize control of the Mind Circuit with human technologies and how do those threaten the life of any being anywhere at all?

    Nameless posts: “Since, as a mere lowest life form capable of connecting to spirit gravity that I am, I can’t grab the Lanos and throw them into an Uber ride to take them to their home world, I have to trust Mel is going to do better this time around than leaving the “atonement” fallacy in place like he did last time……”

    Bradly here: So…do you think Machiventa is responsible for the fallacy of the atonement beliefs? How so? Have you read about the factual evolutionary and very human source of such formative and primitive superstitions?  Nothing to do with any celestial planetary leader or teaching…very human in origin…according to the UB.

    Nameless posts: “And here we can take heart in the fact that a certain tradition shows up in the archeological evidence found in many thriving human civilizations….for us UB readers it can be evidence that all seven adjutant mind connections were then still present in the us humans about a million years old when Mel shows up again…been a thousand years and a million miles…”

    Bradly here: The 7 Adjutant Mind Spirits remain fully encircuited and have been so the entire 1million year inhabited history of our world….in ALL human civilizations past and present! Please explain what you mean by “…were then still present…”. Are you claiming, again, that the Mind Circuit has been seized or disrupted or corrupted somehow? By what source or knowledge do you make such a claim which contradicts the UB here?

    Nameless posts: “A “wholly nonspiritual” Mind Gravity circuit (artificial intelligence) is not an “evolutionary” process anywhere in the “grand universe” of the Eternal Son once LIFE is initiated on a planet like Earth where Spirit Gravity then is the “evolution” to Light and Life. That’s the answer to my first philosophical question of “Who are we?” and the “WHY are we?” in the Fifth Epochal Revelation In Part I of the Urantia Book.
    The Melchizedeks are the Most Highs who diligently monitor the health, if you will, of the Mind Gravity circuit of all humanity and the human “mind” lit up all 7 circuits one million years ago! Troubles with the “light” going out and NOT because of anything any human put into play in the Material or Mind Gravity presences.
    So are all 7 still flashing? The baseline of the heath check is as simple as that – are they still flashing, still ALIVE…?”

    Bradly here: It would be ever so helpful if you would actually post the entire quote you wish to discuss. Here is another example of your snippet completely misrepresenting the text. There is no such thing as a “wholly nonspiritual” Mind Gravity circuit – anywhere. The quote from Paper 12 says that there are no signs of spirit or personality gravity yet in the outer space regions. Do you understand what the outer space regions are? Or what the text is saying?  You apparently misunderstand the meaning of the outer space levels of the universe.

    12:1.14 (129.12) The Outer Space Levels. Far out in space, at an enormous distance from the seven inhabited superuniverses, there are assembling vast and unbelievably stupendous circuits of force and materializing energies. Between the energy circuits of the seven superuniverses and this gigantic outer belt of force activity, there is a space zone of comparative quiet, which varies in width but averages about four hundred thousand light-years. These space zones are free from star dust—cosmic fog. Our students of these phenomena are in doubt as to the exact status of the space-forces existing in this zone of relative quiet which encircles the seven superuniverses. But about one-half million light-years beyond the periphery of the present grand universe we observe the beginnings of a zone of an unbelievable energy action which increases in volume and intensity for over twenty-five million light-years. These tremendous wheels of energizing forces are situated in the first outer space level, a continuous belt of cosmic activity encircling the whole of the known, organized, and inhabited creation.

    12:1.15 (130.1) Still greater activities are taking place beyond these regions, for the Uversa physicists have detected early evidence of force manifestations more than fifty million light-years beyond the outermost ranges of the phenomena in the first outer space level. These activities undoubtedly presage the organization of the material creations of the second outer space level of the master universe.

    12:1.16 (130.2) The central universe is the creation of eternity; the seven superuniverses are the creations of time; the four outer space levels are undoubtedly destined to eventuate-evolve the ultimacy of creation. And there are those who maintain that the Infinite can never attain full expression short of infinity; and therefore do they postulate an additional and unrevealed creation beyond the fourth and outermost space level, a possible ever-expanding, never-ending universe of infinity. In theory we do not know how to limit either the infinity of the Creator or the potential infinity of creation, but as it exists and is administered, we regard the master universe as having limitations, as being definitely delimited and bounded on its outer margins by open space.

    12:3.9 (132.3) 2. Spiritual Gravity. By the same technique of comparative estimation and calculation these researchers have explored the present reaction capacity of spirit gravity and, with the co-operation of Solitary Messengers and other spirit personalities, have arrived at the summation of the active spirit gravity of the Second Source and Center. And it is most instructive to note that they find about the same value for the actual and functional presence of spirit gravity in the grand universe that they postulate for the present total of active spirit gravity. In other words: At the present time practically the entire spirit gravity of the Eternal Son, computed on this theory of totality, is observable as functioning in the grand universe. If these findings are dependable, we may conclude that the universes now evolving in outer space are at the present time wholly nonspiritual. And if this is true, it would satisfactorily explain why spirit-endowed beings are in possession of little or no information about these vast energy manifestations aside from knowing the fact of their physical existence.

    Bradly here: And Spirit Gravity is not really the force or agent or agency for mortal planetary evolutionary progress through the Mortal Epochs of Time. And neither the Melchizedeks or the Most Highs monitor or manage any aspect of the Mind Circuit. And no lights are “going out”anywhere in the universe. All the lights of all circuits are flashing fine and in full power and full control of Deity. No worries.

    For a student who misunderstands so much of the teachings and misrepresents the text so frequently and so profoundly, let me suggest questions as a form of study and inquiry here would be more appropriate, rather than proclamations??!!

    Students of the UB would be and should be very confused and misled by these posts of Nameless here – so far.

    If you have questions, please do ask them. Feel free to start any topic and conversation of interest. But on this topic and so far, it is my opinion that you have demonstrated far more opinions that conflict with the teachings of the UB than any understanding of its contents. But may we all learn thereby and there-from!  Nothing personal….my opinions are strictly about the words and claims posted here.  Which I still find to be “A most unfortunate post of claims which detracts from the topic posted and contradicts the Papers in so many ways and on so many levels.”

    Bradly

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  6. Nameless….despite your very low opinion of me personally and my posts here and at TruthBook as “fanofVan” aka Bradly, I am very pleased by your decision to read the UB for a third time.  And I hope that, like most students, you will find new meanings and greater understanding with every read of the book and every Paper studied by researching the contents and teachings.  I can hear that your philosophy of living is shaped by your status as a Son/Child of God and your personal religious experience.  And I celebrate your expression of that experience.

    The UB claims it was given to us to correct false beliefs and superstitions and to provide factual knowledge of universe reality to help us formulate a more accurate perspective of reality and truer philosophy for living in that universe reality.  Therefore, it is important at a study group of these Papers to be as accurate as possible in representing the contents of the UB to allow it to speak for itself.  It is no vice to refer to the book of knowledge being studied with other students here (or at TruthBook or any other study group) or to accurately post its contents for verification of understanding.

    Best wishes.  I am certain of your progress on the Pilgrim’s Path to Paradise!  Perhaps we might yet benefit one another on this adventure?!  Such is my hope.

    Bradly  ;-)

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  7. <small>4:3.3 (58.1)</small> Much, very much, of the difficulty which Urantia mortals have in understanding God is due to the far-reaching consequences of the Lucifer rebellion and the Caligastia betrayal. On worlds not segregated by sin, the evolutionary races are able to formulate far better ideas of the Universal Father; they suffer less from confusion, distortion, and perversion of concept.

  8. Right…indeed so.  And the very purpose of Epochal Revelation and the gift of the URANTIA Papers.   Such assurances to our persons and our world, so eloquently articulated.

    The importance and the benefits of the Revelation is the value found in the meaning of the teachings by the specific knowledge of reality, and the context and perspective provided and delivered to reduce our confusions and eliminate our errors of belief.

    Accuracy in presenting and discussing its words seems the least we might do as students.  After all, the authors meant what they wrote and wrote what they meant.  They wrote deliberately and intentionally to inform us and guide us toward understanding reality.

    ;-)

     

    :-)

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  9. The Urantia Book (UB) does a good job in contrasting what God the Father, as Jesus presented the Father’s Will for his Children by LIVING the Father’s Will as a human among humans – the Son of Man

    and the history of what “weird” events took place that were NOT the Father’s Plan for the Human Species.

    Simple to understand the difference between “teachings” in the UB, “revelations”, and “just the facts, Ma’am” of what actually did happen in a million year history that was NON HUMAN IN ORIGIN OR EXECUTION.

    So now back to SPECULATING about Melchizedek, who I am firmly convinced has no problem with a discussion among UB readers from so many different cultures and traditions about what kind of “philosophy for living” came up with “MUST use the internet to get a job and a social rating”, whatever “social rating” is supposed to be assigned to a God-knowing personality and soul by people who never had any respect for the “judge not” TEACHINGS of Jesus.  Jesus TAUGHT the the human personality is SACRED.

    Who are we? Why are we?

    Right here, right now…who are we?!  The primary question to be answered in order to develop a “philosophy for living”…

    The REVELATION about who we are in the UB is coming, once again, from NON HUMANS who exist as a species known as the Melchizedeks and who have a sacred duty to help!  Yay!

    Paper 67 – “…The problems associated with human existence on Urantia are impossible of understanding without a knowledge of certain epochs of the past, notably the occurrence and consequences of the planetary rebellion….”

    Please keep reading the rest by yourselves…”just the facts”…

    This is a fact of “weird” history that matters in 2020 – WE (everybody and the whole planet) ARE IN QUARENTINE from communicating with the rest of the Beings out there, not because of biologic disease but because of what’s going on in the Mind Gravity circuit of this planet.

    Adam and Eve lost their immortality status due to their “mental disjunction”.

    There’s a lot of discussion in the UB about the PSYCHOLOGY of the self-proclaimed God of Urantia – Caligastia. We are told that HIS mind and personality are “disintegrating” from 200,000 years of choosing iniquity.  We are also told in Paper 66 – “….Caligastia seemed especially desirous of being sent as planetary ruler to a decimal or life-modification world. His petition had several times been disapproved before he was finally assigned to Urantia”.

    Just our bad luck…

    A “truth” that many cultures and traditions present lessons about is that “the devil” cannot enter a human mind unless the person INVITES them in.

    How CONVENIENT is 2020 “technology” for the “wily” Caligastia?  He does not NEED an invitation to DOMINATE the communication circuits of a planet that is quarantined from the rest of the Milky Way and beyond.  The self proclaimed Lord God Pope and Publisher of techno-wonder communications – “MUST use the internet”…

    Can’t even ask for confirmation that all the “wifi” radiation (FASTER access to 17 million beastiality hits from google search)

    is NOT causing something new and “weird” to happen to LIFE.

    But then why should anyone be surprised by this ever-present (religious in operation) protection racket of their ABSOLUTELY TRUE philosophy for living MATH FORMULA running the FAKE Mind Gravity circuit (internets)

    Simple and forever absolutely true as “math” – “More misery for others = More $$$$ for ME! ME! ME!

    The biggest jerk will always win that math game…”Greed is good”, “What is torture?”  So much fun!  So much cutting and pasting from UB “teachings” that add to the authority of “MUST use the internet”, right, Bradley…?

    Considering all the ongoing “law” suits, for decades, making a “science” case that their products – whether benzene ring pollution (ie. 12 inches of plastic covering the whole planet), or nuclear weapon radiation (or all other bio-chem weapons), or bad hygiene in crowded dwellings shared in common by Human and animal (ie. species differentiation matters when is comes to housing), the KILL KILL KILL order against the “science” thoughts that showed up in the Mind Gravity circuits question whether a LIMIT should be placed on wifi radiation in a square foot of air space on earth.

    Parents are submitting their LOCKDOWN “truth data” for consideration – kids aren’t RETAINING the “education” of whatever “studies”  that they MUST do on the internet.  Maybe a “glitch” in the transmission – something barely perceptible like the one hot dog slide slipped into the movie you are watching at the drive-in to “suggest” buying one at the concession stand during intermission…?  Maybe something slipped in the Mind gravity circuit to make you forget what you just studied…?

    UB – Paper 67 – “The problems associated with human existence on Urantia are impossible of understanding without a knowledge of certain great epochs of the past”…

    “IMPOSSIBLE of understanding”….sounds like a lesson is being presented – a “teaching”….

    Buy the paper copy of book…keep ’em guessing when you are reading it… ;-)

    The seven adjutant mind spirits of our human mind – Intuition, understanding, courage, knowledge, counsel, worship and wisdom – are not the codes and algorithms running artificial intelligence.

    She lost control of the Cadillac SUV to the car’s AI mind, the SUV mind never gave back control to her (kept braking at the wrong time for the wrong reasons and was yanking the steering wheel in the wrong direction freaking her out and she had very little real life experience driving any kind of car at 38 years old and she had no official state license to drive – too “elite” to need one) and the two 17 year olds crossing the street the right way – the light said go and they were in the crosswalk – never saw this massive machine mowing them down.

    Both the driver and the girls crossing the street were just following the “MUST” stuff correctly…

    Who am I?  Why am I?

    Well, it might be the beginning of a philosophy for living that will need perfecting as the immortal soul chimes in but right now I am “feeling” that I am, and will always be, too smart to use the internet for a job and a social rating…

    Scrambling a human brain secretly through internet/cell phone “glitchy” connections or from global Ork-species mercenaries at your neighbor’s rental home doing science research on you is to be expected when you “MUST use the internet” because there is no other “choice” in the LOCKDOWN.

    It’s a mess.  Read the UB with the same kind of interest you would read Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings….it’ll help.

    Warning, once you KNOW who you are and why you are  – a human –  you will not have any “feeling” adequate enough to capture what it “feels” like to be unable to stop the lies and disrespect and predatory insinuations leveled at your SACRED personality using internet Mind Circuits run by “influencers” – ie. hate and hysteria as a political schtick for power.

    But your REAL human mind, the one God the Father gifts to all his Children, equally, will show you “this is the way”…

  10. your REAL human mind, the one God the Father gifts to all his Children, equally, will show you “this is the way”…

     

    0:12.13   We are fully cognizant of the difficulties of our assignment; we recognize the impossibility of fully translating the language of the concepts of divinity and eternity into the symbols of the language of the finite concepts of the mortal mind. But we know that there dwells within the human mind a fragment of God, and that there sojourns with the human soul the Spirit of Truth; and we further know that these spirit forces conspire to enable material man to grasp the reality of spiritual values and to comprehend the philosophy of universe meanings. But even more certainly we know that these spirits of the Divine Presence are able to assist man in the spiritual appropriation of all truth contributory to the enhancement of the ever-progressing reality of personal religious experience — God-consciousness.
  11. Nameless says above:  “UB – Paper 67 – “The problems associated with human existence on Urantia are impossible of understanding without a knowledge of certain great epochs of the past”…

    “IMPOSSIBLE of understanding”….sounds like a lesson is being presented – a “teaching”….”

    Bradly here:  But it does not say it is impossible to understand…it says knowledge is required to understand.  And then delivers that information to understand…a teaching indeed.  How is this misunderstood?

    Humanity’s immaturities and self indulgent escapisms and materialism have been exposed and expressed by every single technology ever invented or popularized in history.  Maturity is a social evolutionary challenge always and on every evolutionary world everywhere, regardless of rebellion or not…the brotherhood is slow to come and difficult to achieve!

    Anxiety and despair comes naturally enough by the evolutionary and superstitious embrace of evil ghosts and spirits and the hope to find cause and give blame to something and someone other than human and personal immaturity and inexperience and foolish choices.  The Devil is blamed for much, we are told, that is merely human behavior and immature choices which cause suffering.

     

    The UB teaches that such fear of devils and blame of others and anxiety for the future are useless mind poisons that explain nothing but certainly do ignore fact and truth.  Here the fallen prince is blamed for a conspiracy to use the internet to contend with our planetary rulers by seizing the universe mind circuit to prevent mortal epochal progress and deliver our world to Apocalypse.

     

    Nameless declares:  “This is a fact of “weird” history that matters in 2020 – WE (everybody and the whole planet) ARE IN QUARENTINE from communicating with the rest of the Beings out there, not because of biologic disease but because of what’s going on in the Mind Gravity circuit of this planet.”

    Bradly here:  Nope.  Not true.  A fiction and invention.  Text please.  Much of what’s going on here is indeed a result of both rebellion and default but neither of those has resulted in any disruption or disconnection of the Adjutants circuitry or the local mind ministry or Cosmic Mind or the Spirit connections of Deity.  Neither can mortal mind be invaded or manipulated by the Devil..by AI or our computers or the internet or radio waves or microwaves or EM or vaccines or…or…or…

     

    I wonder what you might know about reflectivity??  Or what the actual effects and results of a local quarantine might be?

    Will this group perpetuate such anxieties and beliefs I wonder by silence and tacit acquiescence?

    Or correct them?

    Hmmm….

    The UB teaches that all such fears should be eliminated and assures us of our destinies and explains in detail the obstacles and challenges inherent in personal and planetary progress.  The devil seizing control of human minds or the Divine universal Mind Circuits cannot happen.

     

    The very purpose and clear message of the Papers is the knowledge and assurance to overcome such beliefs and anxieties.

     

    Or so I understand the teachings.

    52:6.2 (597.3) Even on normal evolutionary worlds the realization of the world-wide brotherhood of man is not an easy accomplishment. On a confused and disordered planet like Urantia such an achievement requires a much longer time and necessitates far greater effort. Unaided social evolution can hardly achieve such happy results on a spiritually isolated sphere. Religious revelation is essential to the realization of brotherhood on Urantia…..

    8:4.2 (94.4) God is love, the Son is mercy, the Spirit is ministry—the ministry of divine love and endless mercy to all intelligent creation. The Spirit is the personification of the Father’s love and the Son’s mercy; in him are they eternally united for universal service. The Spirit is love applied to the creature creation, the combined love of the Father and the Son.

    8:4.3 (94.5) On Urantia the Infinite Spirit is known as an omnipresent influence, a universal presence, but in Havona you shall know him as a personal presence of actual ministry….

    8:5.1 (95.4) The outstanding attribute of the Infinite Spirit is omnipresence. Throughout all the universe of universes there is everywhere present this all-pervading spirit, which is so akin to the presence of a universal and divine mind. Both the Second Person and the Third Person of Deity are represented on all worlds by their ever-present spirits.

    8:5.4 (95.7) There are many spiritual influences, and they are all as one. Even the work of the Thought Adjusters, though independent of all other influences, unvaryingly coincides with the spirit ministry of the combined influences of the Infinite Spirit and a local universe Mother Spirit. As these spiritual presences operate in the lives of Urantians, they cannot be segregated. In your minds and upon your souls they function as one spirit, notwithstanding their diverse origins. And as this united spiritual ministration is experienced, it becomes to you the influence of the Supreme, “who is ever able to keep you from failing and to present you blameless before your Father on high.”

    8:5.5 (96.1) Ever remember that the Infinite Spirit is the Conjoint Actor; both the Father and the Son are functioning in and through him; he is present not only as himself but also as the Father and as the Son and as the Father-Son. In recognition of this and for many additional reasons the spirit presence of the Infinite Spirit is often referred to as “the spirit of God.”

    50:7.1 (578.6) On first thought it might appear that Urantia and its associated isolated worlds are most unfortunate in being deprived of the beneficent presence and influence of such superhuman personalities as a Planetary Prince and a Material Son and Daughter. But isolation of these spheres affords their races a unique opportunity for the exercise of faith and for the development of a peculiar quality of confidence in cosmic reliability which is not dependent on sight or any other material consideration. It may turn out, eventually, that mortal creatures hailing from the worlds quarantined in consequence of rebellion are extremely fortunate. We have discovered that such ascenders are very early intrusted with numerous special assignments to cosmic undertakings where unquestioned faith and sublime confidence are essential to achievement.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  12. Nameless – It is my sincere hope that you discover the profound assurance within the URANTIA Papers that I and so many others have found.

    We are personally each the beloved child of a very friendly universe and family.   Our world is likewise well managed and guided by the most capable and caring celestials and Creator Son.

    Best wishes in your pursuit of understanding and progress.  Paper 101 has always delivered much needed assurances to me of our Divine connection to the realities of truth, beauty, and goodness….the love of God for the children of God!  Let us trust God to love us and guide us and protect us.  The UB gives us these assurances so that we might be confident in our destiny…no matter the obstacles and trials along the way!  See you up the Paradise Path!

    Bradly :good:

    53:8.7 (610.3) Before the bestowal of Michael these rulers of darkness sought to maintain their authority on Urantia, and they persistently withstood the minor and subordinate celestial personalities. But since the day of Pentecost this traitorous Caligastia and his equally contemptible associate, Daligastia, are servile before the divine majesty of the Paradise Thought Adjusters and the protective Spirit of Truth, the spirit of Michael, which has been poured out upon all flesh.

    53:8.8 (610.4) But even so, no fallen spirit ever did have the power to invade the minds or to harass the souls of the children of God. Neither Satan nor Caligastia could ever touch or approach the faith sons of God; faith is an effective armor against sin and iniquity. It is true: “He who is born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one touches him not.”

    53:8.9 (610.5) In general, when weak and dissolute mortals are supposed to be under the influence of devils and demons, they are merely being dominated by their own inherent and debased tendencies, being led away by their own natural propensities. The devil has been given a great deal of credit for evil which does not belong to him. Caligastia has been comparatively impotent since the cross of Christ.

    1:5.4 (28.1) Even though material mortals cannot see the person of God, they should rejoice in the assurance that he is a person; by faith accept the truth which portrays that the Universal Father so loved the world as to provide for the eternal spiritual progression of its lowly inhabitants; that he “delights in his children.” God is lacking in none of those superhuman and divine attributes which constitute a perfect, eternal, loving, and infinite Creator personality.

    54:6.4 (619.1) But one thing should be made clear: If you are made to suffer the evil consequences of the sin of some member of your family, some fellow citizen or fellow mortal, even rebellion in the system or elsewhere—no matter what you may have to endure because of the wrongdoing of your associates, fellows, or superiors—you may rest secure in the eternal assurance that such tribulations are transient afflictions. None of these fraternal consequences of misbehavior in the group can ever jeopardize your eternal prospects or in the least degree deprive you of your divine right of Paradise ascension and God attainment.

    101:0.3 (1104.3) Religion, the conviction-faith of the personality, can always triumph over the superficially contradictory logic of despair born in the unbelieving material mind. There really is a true and genuine inner voice, that “true light which lights every man who comes into the world.” And this spirit leading is distinct from the ethical prompting of human conscience. The feeling of religious assurance is more than an emotional feeling. The assurance of religion transcends the reason of the mind, even the logic of philosophy. Religion is faith, trust, and assurance.

    101:1.6 (1105.3) Faith unites moral insight with conscientious discriminations of values, and the pre-existent evolutionary sense of duty completes the ancestry of true religion. The experience of religion eventually results in the certain consciousness of God and in the undoubted assurance of the survival of the believing personality.

    101:2.14 (1107.4) Your deepest nature—the divine Adjuster—creates within you a hunger and thirst for righteousness, a certain craving for divine perfection. Religion is the faith act of the recognition of this inner urge to divine attainment; and thus is brought about that soul trust and assurance of which you become conscious as the way of salvation, the technique of the survival of personality and all those values which you have come to look upon as being true and good.

    101:5.13 (1111.3) Evolutionary religion provides only the assurance of faith and the confirmation of conscience; revelatory religion provides the assurance of faith plus the truth of a living experience in the realities of revelation. The third step in religion, or the third phase of the experience of religion, has to do with the morontia state, the firmer grasp of mota. Increasingly in the morontia progression the truths of revealed religion are expanded; more and more you will know the truth of supreme values, divine goodnesses, universal relationships, eternal realities, and ultimate destinies.

    101:5.14 (1111.4) Increasingly throughout the morontia progression the assurance of truth replaces the assurance of faith. When you are finally mustered into the actual spirit world, then will the assurances of pure spirit insight operate in the place of faith and truth or, rather, in conjunction with, and superimposed upon, these former techniques of personality assurance.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  13. Rick’s original post also reminds us of how attentive are our Divine rulers and leaders and helpers and how wise is their ministry in overcoming all failures and obstacles to lead us toward our destiny of Light and Life to come!

    Our world will be an example of the love and law of God and the inherent ultimacies to come by the process of experiential wisdom and evolutionary progress on the worlds of time.  Wisdom and progress are not potential.  They are the results of the natural order of universe realities.  Always does evil succumb to truth and reality.  There is no great contest between good and evil…or not so in the fullness of time.  Evil always remains local and has a brief time span until it is eventually and certainly overwhelmed by the power of truth, beauty, and goodness.

    The stories of Big Mac’s ministries to our world are proof positive that always are we and will we be protected and lovingly guided through all mortal and celestial errors and failures.  Nothing and no one can prevent our inevitable, experiential, evolutionary progress.

    Of this fact and truth we are repeatedly assured by the Papers!!  Hooray!  :good:

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  14. Regarding paper 12 section 3.12,

    “Personality Gravity is noncomputable. We recognize the circuit, but we cannot measure either qualitative or quantitative realities responsive thereto.” (12:3.12, 133.2),

    namelessuntilfused wrote:

    “Personality Gravity Circuit cannot be measured – quality/quantity. What is its value, then?”

    Hi Nameless, As I understand it, Personality is “Sourced & Centered” from somewhere beyond the domains of spirit, mind and matter. Recall that the entire spiritual economy of the universe is absolutely and perfectly managed by the Eternal Son; the domain of mind and ministry by the Infinite Spirit; the material economy by Paradise. And that these three “associate” Sources & Centers each manage their domain via their distinct and peculiar gravity circuits (see paper 12 section 3). So, since personality has absolutely ZERO response to the 3 non-personal gravity circuits, the Universal Father was unable to DELEGATE its care. Thus the Father himself serves as Source & Center for Personality. You asked “What is its value?” Again, as I understand it, Personality is absolutely central to the eternal intentions of the I AM. All eternal spirit-values and mind-meanings can acquire absoluteness of value and meaning ONLY when placed in context with the Personness of I AM… which is a far as I’ve got in my speculations. What about you? Any thoughts on this? PS: regarding the absence of spiritual activity in the “outer space levels“, the author was simply pointing out that apparently ALL the (spiritual) activity of the Eternal Son is currently focused within the so-called “grand universe wheel” (which includes ALL of Nebadon):

    “AS FAR as the Universal Father is concerned — as a Father — the universes are virtually nonexistent; he deals with personalities; he is the Father of personalities. [ . . . ] The Seven Master Spirits radiate their influence out from the central Isle, thus constituting the vast creation one gigantic wheel, the hub being the eternal Isle of Paradise, the seven spokes the radiations of the Seven Master Spirits, the rim the outer regions of the grand universe.” (15:0.1, 164.1)

    thanks for the questions! Nigel

    Hi Nigel!

    Can we get back to gravity helping in the development of a philosophy for living, please…?

    My speculation that Melchizedek will be on the job and assist us with “coordination” of efforts towards Light and Life.  Hope everyone feels free enough to add their personal experiences in truth seeking – “Who are we?  Why are we?”

    And also speculate about the Melchizedeks, in general, and since I am blissfully unencumbered by gossip, dogma, or theology about their species (the Mels) because I never learned about Mel through any of those teaching channels,

    and this little life of mine is my first adventure in time and space

    therefore I am in the camp of god-conscious humans who replied, “we did not know that this was not Paradise until you told us this” that a Native American said to the White Shaman who approached the sacred in life by amplifying all manners of imperfections by projecting all his imperfections on to the character and life style of the Native who replied with “we did not know that this was not Paradise…”.

    And then came the smallpox blanket plan…

    Vicious.

    So back to gravity, no code-talking, just a purist read of what gravity IS…

    UB Paper12 – “These four circuits are not related to the nether Paradise force center; they are neither force, energy, nor power circuits. They are absolute presence circuits and like God are independent of time and space.”

    wait – what?! :-)

    Independent of time and space??!!

    The real matrix…so different than what is being taught…

    I haven’t arrived at any theory, and I think we can both benefit from the ZERO explanation you shared because I got the sense it wasn’t exactly what you want to express….you said, “…So, since personality has absolutely ZERO response to the 3 non-personal gravity circuits, the Universal Father was unable to DELEGATE its care.”

    Gravity is independent of time and space – it’s a PRESENCE.

    Zeros (000) are a new number added to how humans keep fiddling around with measuring time and space….and the only use a ZERO is. philosophically, is to make it equal to the birthday of a new human – the timeline starts at zero…

    Not much help in finding the truth of “Who am I?”

    So Gravity Presence, being independent of space and time, needs its own “math”, time and space measurements being of new use.  The Divine Counselor explains how they calculate Gravity Presence further down in the Paper 12…

    Philosophy for living (Personality-in-charge of coordinating life at the first rodeo) really matters at critical junctures caused by man constructed math that is breaking time and space with zeros – atomizing it, even…Yikes…

  15. Rick Warren I’d be highly interested to see that full 10 page list, would you mind sharing with me a link please?

  16. Rick Warren I’d be highly interested to see that full 10 page list, would you mind sharing with me a link please?

    Sorry Magma, the system only allows 1000 KB files. Will send it to an email address if you’ll put one the chat box.

     

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    Richard E Warren

  17. But then, it looks like the chat isn’t available anymore. How about on Facebook, or Truthbook?

    Richard E Warren

  18. Rick Warren I’d be highly interested to see that full 10 page list, would you mind sharing with me a link please?

    Found this link, Magma. Scroll down to item 6: https://urantiabook.org/resources/Documents/Newsletter%20Archive/MMspring19.pdf

    Richard E Warren

  19. Hi Rick,

    Thanks for the link…

    I did a search on Wikipedia for the Song Dynasty, which appears to have been a happy and prosperous epoch.  Then I looked up the world population in the year 1000. The Song Dynasty’s population was 75 million, by far the biggest on earth at the time – second largest was Chola Dynasty at about 18 million. Here’s the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_in_1000

    Always have to keep that man to land ratio on the “world progress” board.  A philosophy for living, which is how I interpret the contribution of a Melchizedek, seems to have been the way recognition of the importance of the man to land ratio happened around the world in the year 1000.

    They should have stayed at 75 million for a longer period of time…

     

  20. Well….of course the bubonic plague soon killed 100-200 million people.  A result of conquest and trade and exploration and evangelism and new technologies.  Was that a good thing…or a bad thing?  Did Big Mac have anything to do with that?

    Which reminds me how dangerous and primitively superstitious it can be to see and presume the hand-of-god and divine intervention in the evolutionary progression of human history.  The UB teaches that beliefs in Providence are mostly inaccurate superstition and human belief in good fortune and bad luck lead to charms and fetishes and atonement and angry gods, etc.

    This discussion, as originally intended, is most interesting….but fraught with risk of misunderstanding and mis-association.  For example…what is the difference between blaming the Devil for any or all “bad” things and crediting God with any and all “good” things?

    And in terms of evolutionary progress and experiential wisdom, are good things “good” and bad things “bad”?  Really?  Hmmm…

    Was slavery good or bad?  Fire? Iron? Cities? Leisure? Steel?  Gun powder? Industrialization?  Electricity? Atomic energy?  The internet?

    Or is it that no technology or event is best measured itself but, rather, what people do with it and about it?  Is a knife a weapon or a tool?  The knife does not choose.  Are natural disasters horrible?  Or is the cooperative relief efforts in selfless service to its victims wonderful?  Can the second occur without the first?  Most fascinating to consider really.  Or so I think….

    The hammer and anvil do not require rebellion or interventions in the universe realities of experiential evolutionary progress.  Indeed, experiential evolutionary progress is most unpredictable and misunderstood by us mere mortals and children from the worlds of time.

    We know by the teachings that there are midwayer and Reservist and celestial interventions and influences that affect planetary epochal progress.  Humans are simply unable to distinguish or specify which effects are a result of which causes.  Evolutionary progress is primarily delivered by mortal freewill choices and wisdom and maturity delivered by the experience of trial and error….by all people over time…as go the parts so goes the whole.

    I too really enjoyed the full article and research by Joshua Wilson!!  It is important to note that the historical events and record cited by Joshua are not presented by him with any claims of Divine Providence or direct action by Machiventa.  Indeed – just the opposite.  Joshua is very careful in his presentation to not directly link ANY specific history with ANY act of ANY celestial directly.  Well done!!  Joshua does a great job of giving us a review of many related issues regarding the care and leadership provided our world related to Machiventa.  An awesome read and foundation for extensive study in the Papers!  Thanks Rick!

    ;-)

     

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

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