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50 posts · 5 participants · started Dec 27, 2017, 5:47 PM

  1. Hi Gene,

    No need Gene to use “search engine” if you do the search and back-up your assertions.

    Most every participants do like that. We do it, to spare the lector undue investigations.

    Sooo why not Gene roll up sleeves and pass through 131 / 132 / 133 and become a courageous, firm searcher instead leave an incomplete opinion and overcome this flaw.

    Here is my example:

    127:6.12 He is becoming experienced in the skillful wresting of victory from the very jaws of defeat.

    Hey Andre
    Thinking more about this: I suppose I’m the type that finds it not only easier but more rewarding to talk about the revelation as opposed to quoting it. Probably – (beyond being lazy and computer ignorant) – why I find it difficult to study in such a way that I can locate information with ease. If that makes any sense.

  2. On second thought and here I go again with subtle distinctions: for those who were hurt by the hurricane, lost everything, even their own lives, they did not go down without a fight because they were indeed put into self defense mode.

    We are dual natured creatures. We have the fight or flight mechanism built into our machinery, put there by God.  It can’t be turned off except by decerebration . . . not something I’m interested in.  However, it can be overridden by extraordinary self-control, a high level of wisdom and an undying faith.  There are folks who willingly give up their own life in order to save others . . . diving onto a live grenade comes to mind.   Then there’s that beautiful image of the caveman protecting his family from a saber-toothed tiger(100:4.5). The authors see that guy’s fight as noble.  Also, self-protection seems to be okay with the universe.  Wasn’t that the reason for the quarantine?

  3. So in regard to Jesus allowing himself to be betrayed and murdered in regard to non interference and all things earthly statement: was Jesus hero of victim? I say hero. His fight was for things spiritual.

    John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.

    (1575.6) 140:5.21 So often persecution does follow peace. But young people and brave adults never shun difficulty or danger. “Greater love has no man than to lay down his life for his friends.” And a fatherly love can freely do all these things — things which brotherly love can hardly encompass. And progress has always been the final harvest of persecution.

    (1944.6) 180:1.3 When I invite you to love one another, even as I have loved you, I hold up before you the supreme measure of true affection, for greater love can no man have than this: that he will lay down his life for his friends.

    (2018.6) 188:5.7 The cross makes a supreme appeal to the best in man because it discloses one who was willing to lay down his life in the service of his fellow men. Greater love no man can have than this: that he would be willing to lay down his life for his friends — and Jesus had such a love that he was willing to lay down his life for his enemies, a love greater than any which had hitherto been known on earth.

     

  4. Hi Gene, No need Gene to use “search engine” if you do the search and back-up your assertions. Most every participants do like that. We do it, to spare the lector undue investigations. Sooo why not Gene roll up sleeves and pass through 131 / 132 / 133 and become a courageous, firm searcher instead leave an incomplete opinion and overcome this flaw. Here is my example: 127:6.12 He is becoming experienced in the skillful wresting of victory from the very jaws of defeat.

    Hey Andre Thinking more about this: I suppose I’m the type that finds it not only easier but more rewarding to talk about the revelation as opposed to quoting it. Probably – (beyond being lazy and computer ignorant) – why I find it difficult to study in such a way that I can locate information with ease. If that makes any sense.

    Greetings Gene!

    While what you say does make sense and I understand the perspective, please remember that this is a study group of the UB and that no one is more eloquent in the teachings than the authors themselves.  Discussion of contents is just dandy….so far as it goes….but often tends to skew and distort through the filter of personal perspective, bias, memory, and understanding….each and all of which offers its own form of subjective distortions.  So I would support Andre in his encouragement to be a student and do the work to evaluate your memories and understanding by a rigorous comparison to the actual text and teachings and/or to post text or cite quotes in text.  Bonita does both…and I confess myself I prefer her postings of text due to my own laziness of looking up her references, which I almost always do too!

    While a student’s opinions are very relevant to a discussion, not so much in true study I don’t think.  The text is clearly written with great redundancy within the most wonderfully written text ever known.  It’s good to know that which is written thusly as the important work that the UB is.  Such knowledge should inspire us to implement and experience that which is discovered thereby.  I doubt if over time our opinions ABOUT the Revelation will or might keep up with the changes in understanding by reading and studying the text delivers.

    As the gospel of Jesus and the gospel about Jesus differ so profoundly, the UB’s text and discussions about it may also suffer in form, truth, and accuracy.  Such study also reduces those opinions which conflict or even contradict the Revelation which greatly serves the discussion and the study.  For 30 years, for me, all study was by reading only plus the old Concordex index….no need today to be a master scholar with 2000 page recall to find topics and quotes with all the search engines, indexes, etc. today.  Which is great for topical study for sure…but I wonder if today’s and future readers will actually read the whole text multiple times and gain scholarship as in the days of my youth?  Digitization is a two edged sword I think…..A little lazy indeed!

    Please consider this simple encouragement to greater studies, comprehension, and utilization of the teachings.

    ;-)

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  5. Hi Gene, No need Gene to use “search engine” if you do the search and back-up your assertions. Most every participants do like that. We do it, to spare the lector undue investigations. Sooo why not Gene roll up sleeves and pass through 131 / 132 / 133 and become a courageous, firm searcher instead leave an incomplete opinion and overcome this flaw. Here is my example: 127:6.12 He is becoming experienced in the skillful wresting of victory from the very jaws of defeat.

    Hey Andre Thinking more about this: I suppose I’m the type that finds it not only easier but more rewarding to talk about the revelation as opposed to quoting it. Probably – (beyond being lazy and computer ignorant) – why I find it difficult to study in such a way that I can locate information with ease. If that makes any sense.

    Greetings Gene!

    While what you say does make sense and I understand the perspective, please remember that this is a study group of the UB and that no one is more eloquent in the teachings than the authors themselves. Discussion of contents is just dandy….so far as it goes….but often tends to skew and distort through the filter of personal perspective, bias, memory, and understanding….each and all of which offers its own form of subjective distortions. So I would support Andre in his encouragement to be a student and do the work to evaluate your memories and understanding by a rigorous comparison to the actual text and teachings and/or to post text or cite quotes in text. Bonita does both…and I confess myself I prefer her postings of text due to my own laziness of looking up her references, which I almost always do too!

    While a student’s opinions are very relevant to a discussion, not so much in true study I don’t think. The text is clearly written with great redundancy within the most wonderfully written text ever known. It’s good to know that which is written thusly as the important work that the UB is. Such knowledge should inspire us to implement and experience that which is discovered thereby. I doubt if over time our opinions ABOUT the Revelation will or might keep up with the changes in understanding by reading and studying the text delivers.

    As the gospel of Jesus and the gospel about Jesus differ so profoundly, the UB’s text and discussions about it may also suffer in form, truth, and accuracy. Such study also reduces those opinions which conflict or even contradict the Revelation which greatly serves the discussion and the study. For 30 years, for me, all study was by reading only plus the old Concordex index….no need today to be a master scholar with 2000 page recall to find topics and quotes with all the search engines, indexes, etc. today. Which is great for topical study for sure…but I wonder if today’s and future readers will actually read the whole text multiple times and gain scholarship as in the days of my youth? Digitization is a two edged sword I think…..A little lazy indeed!

    Please consider this simple encouragement to greater studies, comprehension, and utilization of the teachings.

    ;-)

    I understand completely

  6. Gene, I just want to let you know that I knew exactly what you were talking about without having to refer to the quote. Any long time reader should be able to figure out what quote you were talking about.  Too many quotes get in the way of a discussion, especially when some folks have a tendency to parse the meaning of the word “is”.  I throw in the quotes because I realize that most people here want them and for the benefit of new readers.  It’s easy for me because I catalogued quotes for easy access without having to rely on search engines.  With most search engines, if you don’t recall the exact word or words used, you can sometimes search for weeks . . .  how’s that helping discussion?  Not at all . . . you just give up and shut up.  Not good.  So don’t worry about it. You’re one of the few folks willing to post, and without you, it’s awfully quiet around here.  Thanks.

  7. Gene, I just want to let you know that I knew exactly what you were talking about without having to refer to the quote. Any long time reader should be able to figure out what quote you were talking about. Too many quotes get in the way of a discussion, especially when some folks have a tendency to parse the meaning of the word “is”. I throw in the quotes because I realize that most people here want them and for the benefit of new readers. It’s easy for me because I catalogued quotes for easy access without having to rely on search engines. With most search engines, if you don’t recall the exact word or words used, you can sometimes search for weeks . . . how’s that helping discussion? Not at all . . . you just give up and shut up. Not good. So don’t worry about it. You’re one of the few folks willing to post, and without you, it’s awfully quiet around here. Thanks.

    Love you Bonita

  8. Service – a great topic Gene. And I like your questions as to what the nature of this service should be.

    As most of us know, before the preaching tour, Jesus was a carpenter fixing wagons and making boats, and he also served as a tutor, and a caravan driver, among other things. I believe there’s a quote somewhere about doing the will of God in our work and in all the little things in life.

    So I’ve often wondered if our jobs qualify as service, such as your piano maintenance. Does all service have to be volunteer work or washing feet? Do you think it really matters if we get paid for it?

    And I just want to add this little quote, which I didn’t see mentioned in your thread.

    “Worship… must alternate with service, contact with material reality.” 143:7.3

    In a way, I see worship as spiritual downloading and service as a spiritual uploading.

  9. “So I’ve often wondered if our jobs qualify as service”

    Interesting thought.

    Thinking about what you said about Jesus work on boats etc I believe that quality work and mental focus and skill building will be just as useful in the Mansion career as it is here. Can’t say if it qualifies as service but quality is always appreciated.

  10. I believe there’s a quote somewhere about doing the will of God in our work and in all the little things in life.

    Maybe these:

    p1732:4 155:6.11 Never forget there is only one adventure which is more satisfying and thrilling than the attempt to discover the will of the living God, and that is the supreme experience of honestly trying to do that divine will. And fail not to remember that the will of God can be done in any earthly occupation. Some callings are not holy and others secular. All things are sacred in the lives of those who are spirit led; that is, subordinated to truth, ennobled by love, dominated by mercy, and restrained by fairness— justice. The spirit which my Father and I shall send into the world is not only the Spirit of Truth but also the spirit of idealistic beauty.

    192:2.13 Never forget that, when you are a faith son of God, all upright work of the realm is sacred. Nothing which a son of God does can be common. Do your work, therefore, from this time on, as for God. And when you are through on this world, I have other and better worlds where you shall likewise work for me. And in all of this work, on this world and on other worlds, I will work with you, and my spirit shall dwell within you.

    25:1.1 Though denominated servitals, these “midway creatures” of the central universe are not servants in any menial sense of the word. In the spiritual world there is no such thing as menial work; all service is sacred and exhilarating; neither do the higher orders of beings look down upon the lower orders of existence.

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